Not OP, but I is supported by lots of countries directly, whereas R by way fewer?
Just musing, because I don't see much of a difference beside the different levels of disgusting support of oppressors/attackers.

My bad. Should have written settler colony. The first "Israelis" (of the modern state) were settlers from Europe & America. They replaced the indigenous people there. Early zionist thinkers were clear that zionism was a colonial endeavor and were insipired by European colonialism. What their motivations were is irrelevant, as the methods and the end effect was the same.

There is a long list of proof for this argument in BE's video

This clown just defended Israel's genocide with a straight face while calling October 7 a genocide. How can anyone take this kind of person seriously?

You know what i think? hamas is justified to resist and defend Palestine, and israel doesn't have a right to exist. Fuck israel! Death to the IDF

I'm pretty sure I remember that the people who attacked the music festival had recently escaped from an Israeli concentration camp

Genocide is bad, even if a portion of those killed in the process are evil assholes.

you aren’t scaring me today boy. Grow up whenever you feel ready

Hamas October 7 incursion was arguably a genocide against Israel.

Anything is "arguably" anything...

But this isn't the community for the type of argument you're looking for.

I'm not smoking anything sadly -- I ran out of weed last week.

Any time I point out that MAGA is not a uniquely American issue and that Europe is also descending into the grips of fascism, I always get a bunch of downvotes. Especially on communities like [email protected]

I think it's just wishful thinking and denialism from people who probably are insulated from the societal collapse that many of us are seeing - basically, moderately wealthy european liberals, centrists and conservatives.

This is how capitalism leads to fascism, because the ruling class control the media and use it to advance their own interests.

I'll share my more detailed explanation:

::: spoiler How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism?

Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop.

Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining.

The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed.

So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups.

To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked.

That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time.

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Oh!!! You're a zionist. That makes a lot of sense. Sorry, I kinda forgot people like you still exist on Lemmy, I thought pretty much everyone had accepted Israel is conducting genocide, but I guess there are still genocide deniers among us, unfortunately.

I was low-key expecting you to say that it was uncouth to compare a genocide to a military conflict

Israel always had tensions and responded to Oct 7, they don’t deliberately target civilians

Oh sweet summer child. I don't know if you're being ignorant or deliberately a shameless zionist.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_Israel
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_massacres_of_Palestinians

Except there is evidence and actual videos of Israeli soldiers doing the very thing you say they aren't doing.