'One of The Scariest Things I Have Seen': Alarms Sound Over 'Technofascist' Palantir Manifesto
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I'm so tired of these fucking assholes who think they're so smart only because they're too wealthy to encounter people willing to tell them how fucking stupid they are.
They think they are so smart because they have no ethics.
"Look at me, I figured out how to exploit people and do extortion and lie, I'm a fucking genius and basically a god".
Sociopaths. All of them.
Any society who cares about its weakest members would ostracize such scum. Instead we celebrate them on TV and event make them our representatives. It really shows what society values: people that can make that singular number go up, the faster the better, regardless of sacrifice.
Ugh. I remember meeting people back in the early 1980s who'd done EST training. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training They spoke about letting go of old assumptions about right and wrong, ethics, all that. One guy had decided to go into making pornography, because it was an easy way to make a lot of money. Greed seems to lie at the root of most capitalist dystopia. Some people can ever have enough money/power.
Extreme greed is just something I can't understand at all. Maybe it's because I grew up with little so to me, just being comfortable without worrying about bills, food, housing, or medical care and maybe a little extra to travel , sounds ideal.
Why would I need more than that? What would I even do with it other than charity or buying random crap?
I can't fathom the desire to hoard money.
To want it all so that others don't have it.
And it's not just like it's hoarding some material object. But it's hoarding medical care. Housing. Food. Education. Equality. Safety.
Like wtf. Why? Why would you do that ? Why take from people who need it way more than you do ?
Why take when you already have so much more than everyone else?
I guess it's to commit crimes and not be punished. Because that seems like the only benefit of being billionaire-rich.
So wealth disparity exists just so some guy can rape children . Murder. Do more theft. ?
Exactly - we have what the billionaires never will: we have enough.
Power doesnt corrupt. Its just far too easy for the already corrupted to seize and hold onto power, while the uncorrupted are too honest to beat them to it.
All boils down to that.
I think it can be both. But mostly, yes. The worst humans are attracted to positions of power. It's why so many pastors are sex predators. They were predators before becoming pastors.
They are really wanting to be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
An awful lot of groups seem to be competing for this honour at the moment.
At this rate, we won't be able to afford a wall.
The "manifesto" is an excerpt from the CEO's book, posted as a twitter thread, reposted below for anyone curious about the flavor palate of boots.
iPhone. ? Really. Not antibiotics? Vaccines? modern medicine ?
The fucking iPhone?
Shows how small minded these losers are.
Really? How about modern sewage, water treatment, garbage removal, electrification?
I mean yeah. Sewage removal is definitely a big one. Indoor plumbing.
Definitely on a top 10 list.
I like to divide the modern living arrangement into three broad categories I've wisely named the 21st century, 20th century, and 19th century.
When 21st century inventions go down, I can't watch AI slop videos or catch up on the freshest t-porn. Life goes on. Don't care in the slightest. Because the 20th century inventions are still there.
When 20th century inventions go down, I can't cook food easily and I need to start burning things for light. Hot water will only last a day or two. Food in the freezer will have to start to go. But as long as 19th century inventions are there it's livable.
When 19th century inventions go down, it's pretty much the end of civilization.
Whilst the industrial revolution started with mechanical power; the harnessing of steam essentially. The modern world owes everything to the mastery of the electron and the photon, and more generally the exquisite control of electromagnetism.
The manipulation of electrons enables the iPhone; touted as the possible pinnacle of achievement; basically every industrial process on the planet is monitored and controlled by electromagnetic means.
Our true highest achievement is the ongoing development of the control of electromagnetic phenomena; we bend electrons and photons to our will, manipulate matter on the smallest scales using these forces, measure the bending of the fabric of reality, and probe the secrets of the universe. The iPhone is but one small aspect of this continuum of knowledge.
To be fair. The conquering of fire is considered top human achievement in some mythos.
We may not agree on the top human achievement. But at least we both agree the iPhone wasn't it. Not even close.
Fire, the wheel and the printing press, would be my top three.
But the modern world is all about the manipulation of electromagnetism.
I’m not reading all that because it’s clearly written by someone who has completely forgotten what grass looks like, but this bit:
Go to hell, you can throw me in jail before I do anything to help the military.
You know what, I 100% agree with that statement. It doesn't have to be military, but many countries have mandatory service usually right after high school.
I think it would instill a sense of responsibility towards their community, a sense of hard work, pride, etc. I'm talking about like working in a park, wildlife clean-up, homeless shelter food stocking, and yes also military. I don't think the military part should be mandatory, but if some people want to go that route as their "national service" then that should be an option.
Yes a civic service duty would be helpful, but I'm not sure making it mandatory would work out unless it were presented as one of several options.
We have already made it extremely hard to be a young adult in this country, why not add an extra helping of shit on their plates, to make older people feel better about their choices, eh?
I say let the wealthy and people with net worth over 1 million contribute this mandatory service. They've screwed this country up, lets see them do their share for the community for once in their charmed lives. Give the Jared kushners and effing pickelball players some tongs to pick up trash and string them together in a chain gang if we have to.
Sure, the wealthy need to pay for what they've done to society, but that's not what I'm talking about.
Also in that same vein, any federal politician in the House, Senate, Executive, or SC should have to live for 2 months on minimum wage in a probationary period. Until they complete that "course", they won't be able to ascend to their elected position. So like, if they're elected in November, then they live for December and January on minimum wage, which then gives them the certification needed to be sworn in.
It's always these fucking losers who would never subject themselves or their families to conscription that champion it. I wish they'd just shut the fuck up and die already
I'm sure it's not the way the manifest is meant but as I see it: You can either have no army, which would be nice but unfortunately that's not how this world functions. Or you have a army. This army currently is made of people who either want to fight or they don't see another way to pay their bills.So they find it good to follow orders or don't have a choice. I find neither of them trustworthy to handle a weapon.
Now image that this army is mostly built on people between 20 and 30 years old, everyone does it's service for about a year (except higher ranks where you need more experience, let's not go to much into details). The major part of the soldiers are people with normal lives waiting for them after finishing their duty. Do you think those people would engage in a meaningless war? Or turn against their own if someone like Trump wants them to? They would fight to defend their owns but the majority wouldn't follow unethical orders.
Costa Rica says hello.
Are we memory holing that the National Guard was deployed against multiple US cities within the past year?
These people talk like they're somewhere between JRPG villains and Hideo Kojima. My eyes glazed over a few times trying to parse this pseudophilosophical nonsense. If this had come from someone with far less power, I'd have dismissed it as the ramblings of a crazy person.
Incidentally, I happen to be watching Minority Report right now. I hope that's not going to be the future I live in someday.
Edit: oh neat. This is my 500th comment.
My manifesto: We must punish these people swiftly and effectively. Failing to do so is why we are in this situation now.
I was watching a review of the old THX 1138 film last night.
And it reminded me of other reviews of horror from different generations.
Many people say that horror in media often reflects what the people fear the most at a given time in history.
In the 50s we had space invasions. Aliens invading and killing everyone. Or the body snatchers. Manchurian candidate. War of the worlds. People's fear of society spies and brain washing. Nuclear weapons.
Later 50s we started getting creature features. Unknown monsters lurking in the shadows.
In the 60s we moved to psychological horror and fear of terrible people living next door. Neighbors and community members who hid who they really were. Hidden rot. Rosemary's baby. Psycho. People were really paranoid about satanism and spies.
70s and early 80s. Vietnam war. Slashers. Being chased by an unstoppable enemy. An enemy with an unknowable persistent motivation.
Mid to late 80s also saw a boom in dark scifi. Showcasing a common belief/fear that China and Japan would dominate the world. Alien. Blade runner. Both of these styles relied heavily on the idea of Asian culture becoming dominant and even modern cyberpunk continues this trend.
Alien and blade runner, are set in the same universe and start to tackle issues of how capitalism devalues human life.
This may have been one of the first films to really make that a big part of the plot.
But aside from these two, the 90s bright back slashers. 2000s had more supernatural horror. But now we have came back to the 80s fear of capitalism.
People are realizing again that the direction things are going is not only a dystopian one, but one that is closer than ever before.
They realize we are so close to losing to corrupt billionaires.
Even the new alien earth showcases the world being owned by a few companies.
We see every aspect of human life be comodofied. Sold. Bought. With the expectation that you should want to sell whatever you have.
Media in games like fallout and the actual cyberpunk 2077 games shows how much people fear these outcomes.
Where you can only get medical care if you pay for expensive subscription.
Where you can be auto evicted by a computer.
The whole idea of fallout is companies manufactured nuclear Armageddon to take more control from the people. And when the people tried to rebuild. They bombed them again. All while the rich lived in life extension tanks. Or had their brains put in robots.
The zero dawn horizon is a pretty depressing game about how a robotics company made murder bots. That were fueled by organic matter. Made a back door for government to access. And then they were coded wrong and literally ate everything on the planet.
This shit is real though. That's why these games and shows hit so hard.
We know these delusional billionaires really are planning on doing shit like that.
I just see the fear we all have being more prominent in gritty media. And the fact that it's there says a lot about the state we are in.
The sad thing is these chud billionaire tech bros take inspiration from dystopian scific media…
But their media illiteracy makes them think being the villain is the win.
This shit makes dystopian cyberpunk stories cute fairytales I can read to my toddlers. An alternative has to be worked towards. For all our interest.
It's almost enough to make Chuck Schumer mumble "Careful now!"
I say this from the bottom of my heart…
Fuck Chuck.
The sooner we put theses assholes in the ground or prison, the better.
They're the same alarms that have been ringing. But theyve muted them in the control room
It's like Project 25: Extra Bonus DLC
Ya know the more and longer this shit goes for the more I start thinking those whackjobs back in the 70s to the 90s who thought technology was the devil may have been on to something. Still think they're wrong but I do think the world would improve if you had to install your own OS on computers and laptops, perhaps that would collapse the underlying social infrastructure these shitstains require to exist.
Is it that technology is evil though, or is it the people who own the technology, or the economic system in which this all takes place?
It's always just how humans are channeling their own shittiness through the medium.
Technology is morally inert, but I thinks it's moreso that people on average can't responsibly interact with technology both due to a lack of understanding and it's secondary effects due to said lack of understanding. While our current issues are due to the is definitely being exasperated by the current economic system and those who largely own it I think a lot of it is inherently an issue with widespread technological integration.
For example the job market it entirely fucked in part due to online applications and companies who feed on that problem. But the core issue with online applications is that there's basically no easy way to the flow of applications resulting in a practically unsortable mess in sheer quantity. Meanwhile for in person application submission the control is built in from needing the person to physically show up with a print out.
IDK this is just something that's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. That over computerized infrastructure and interconnectivity is actively detrimental at least insofar as ease of use in concerned.
You should take a look at Benjamin, Horkheimer and Adorno and the other members of the School of Frankfurt. They did a lot of thinking in the 40s-50s around mass media, the advances of technology and the regressions of our societies because of it.
I don't recall the exact book but one of them advanced a theory that basically said what you're suggesting. That technology now advances faster than humans' ability to spiritually receive, understand and integrate it. So instead of mastering it, we're being enslaved by it.
Thanks for the suggestion I may look into it. Though I personally think one of the main problems is near instant and universal information transfer, bit it does probably have a good bit of overlap.
"Alarms" are sounding, what more do you want????
Exactly, came to post:
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Don’t really need the ‘techno’ part
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