Anna's Archive Loses $322 Million Spotify Piracy Case Without a Fight;In addition to the penalty, a permanent injunction required domain registrars and other parties to suspend the site's domain names
Spotify and several major record labels, including UMG, Sony, and Warner, secured a $322 million default judgment against the unknown operators of Anna's Archive. The shadow library failed to appear in court and briefly released millions of tracks that were scraped from Spotify via BitTorrent. In addition to the monetary penalty, a permanent injunction required domain registrars and other parties to suspend the site's domain names.
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We sued people. Well, I think. Since the people are unknown. They didn't show up, so we won. Now unknown people need to pay whatever we say they should pay.
Great job, let's pat ourselves on the back. We fought the man and won.
I think Anna is a woman's name. /s
Be quiet about that, if they hear it'll reduce their list of suspects by half!
Presented without comment.
huge if true
Misogyny makes you think all your worthy enemies are male
woof...
Isn't is weird that being prejudiced against women is often called misogyny and being prejudiced against men (like in the case above) is also called misogyny?
I don't see how the above exchange is misandry
Me neither. No one claimed it was.
(Bold mine) This seems like me to claiming prejudice against men happened in the parent comments.
now this is what resistance looks like and i would hazard a guess they're not commies
AI still out here taking everything. Only the corporations can steal. Maybe they didn't like that it was then given to people for free, instead sold again.
To go even further, Anna's Archive has a section for LLM training that the big ones use. Apparrently it's okay if they use data that has been ruled to be illegal.
Yeah, I mean, it's mostly that.
Bahaha, Fuck Off. The world doesn't recognize your authority.
Watch how many will bend the knee
does this set precedence for online platforms to sue AI platforms for all the data collection? /s
That was quick. This took a few months, while artists have been dealing with AI stealing their work for years now.
Always remember that, in the eyes of the law, the real crime is being poor.
They did it guys!!! Piracy no more /s
Only billionaires and friends allowed
Gee I wonder why warehouses keep catching fires lately…
So, this sentence says it's actually illegal to download copyrighted material through shadow libraries, I get it and now I wonder what could this mean for Meta's AI case?
They don't care and will continue to do it.
Same
So uhm, what's the new name? Asking for a friend.
Anna's Archive: The New One
Anna's Archive 2: The quest for more knowledge
you can check these mirror lists for alternatives when the current domains go down
https://shadowlibraries.github.io/
https://open-slum.org/
They used a neat trick and just spelled the first name backwards! annA instead of Anna!
Just go to the wiki and look up the domains in the right.
"Scraped from Spotify via Bitorrent" OK. That's not how that works.
That's just an awkward sentence construction but it makes sense: they released track via Bittorrent. The tracks were scraped from Spotify.
I sold my car that was purchased from a dealership via private party sale.
I charged my laptop that normally accepts 100W via a 20W phone charger.
I would've used a "which" phrase with commas to avoid the confusion, but the sentence as written is valid and makes sense.
Poorly worded
They were meaning that they released via BitTorrent the tracks which were scraped from Spotify
Or they don't understand the topic
I think it’s just poor wording. It says they released tracks that were scraped from Spotify via BitTorrent. I think the punctuation and sentence structure is awkward. I think what they were trying to say was more along the lines of “they scraped millions of tracks from Spotify, and released them via BitTorrent.”
Still not technically correct, because you don’t release things via BitTorrent. But it at least clarifies that the songs were first scraped, and then released via torrent.
Actually, for a while Spotify did use the BitTorrent protocol for content delivery. So this isn't too far-fetched.
Spotify itself started by using pirated music, so this is all a bit ironic.
Would have worked better with commas, but makes sense?
It says the operators are unknown, but also failed to appear in court. If they don't even know who the operators are, how would they supoena them to come to court in the first place? 🤨
In other news. Alans-Archive.se has just released all of Spotify's music catalogue.
They declare them a "john doe" defendant
The US music industry has always been bullshit, going all the way back to record labels. I would feel bad for the artists, but I don't give two shits about the distributor who acts like they own the music and feels entitled to all monetary rewards for someone else's work.
Funny, the statute $2500 should be for the circumvention act, which was likely singular, not per file obtained during or as a result of the act. And the $150k is ridiculous in and of itself, even if for all files obtained. What a strange world we live in.
Spotify built a system of control in order to profit a few at a cost to many, perhaps everyone else.
Someone broke that system in order to benefit many, possibly at the cost of some of their ability to profit from their system of control--if they didn't lose customers, or prospective customers, they didn't experience any financial loss, or a loss in their ability to maintain their system of control (which is still very much in place and working).
Either way, nobody was hurt.
But the person who acted selflessly to benefit of society in general is punished.
Because... We, as a society, celebrate and work effortlessly to maintain complex systems of abuse in order to satisfy our greed or the greed of others. All despite being taught in school not to lie to and bully each other, and to share with and care for each other.
As a species: We are bat shit fucking crazy!
No, to enable (in the addiction sense) the greed of others. Not "satisfy." Because it can never be satisfied: they will take and take and take and take until there is nothing left, and still demand more.
Lawyers be making money filing lawsuits against ghosts. Happy hunting boys.
I hope every music industry executive gets run over by a Mack Truck.
Nah, thats too quick
Going in reverse up a hill with a full load
Fuck Spotify and their ICE recruitment ad bullshit.
A default judgement just gives Spotify some leverage to try to collect money, property, and get injunctions. But as we know from the pirate bay cases, that's a losing whack-a-mole battle long term.
But it does make life a bit harder for Anna's archive unless they show up to fight back, which they probably won't.
Why? Is there anything good in there?
Is this a reverse play? Does that ruling leave open the door to similar rulings against llms? Why did they offer no contest at all?
Likely because contesting it would require doxxing themselves. The site’s admins survive on anonymity. And you can’t exactly be anonymous in court filings.
There's also nothing saying they are even in the US. Or at this point even human
They didn't even respond to the charges, which are unenforceable.
Requiring domain registrars and other parties to suspend the site’s domain names is unenforceable?
literally in the article
Not all domain registers are under their jurisdiction. And domains change constantly.
"Charges" don't get "enforced". I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
I'm confused by your comment and several people have upvoted it so I guess I need to ask what you're talking about. I started quoting but it's just reposting your comment basically. Do you think Anna is the perp they're suing? Are you saying it's public because it's a website and not a torrent or such? (there are like...tons of websites for streaming and downloading pirated stuff...)
How is this a massive problem for all of us? How is this different from any other website posting pirated stuff and getting taken down/legal action against them over the past like... 2 decades? Rereading the article didn't make anything clearer, I'm genuinely just confused on what you're saying.
I love it when they declare fantasy judgements that are never going to be paid.
I wonder if that money goes on the company's balance sheets before it's paid.
Why not make it an even $400 million?
Ahhhh, Napster/Kazaa and Metallica vibes all over again.
I recently cancelled my Spotify subscription and just downloaded all my music. It's a bit of initial effort, but the experience is so much better.
I wonder how far will people need to be pushed before price and restrictions outweigh convenience.
Yep same here, used an extension to read my Spotify library and turn them into youtube .mp3's, then went in and redownloaded any that got messed up or were live versions not the album song, and now I just add songs using NewPipe as they come up!
I've given them 2.5k
These greed demons make me more of a socialist everyday. America is fucked in this AI race. If only the .001%% can create AI by owning all the property rights, how do they expect a society to collaborate & innovate?
So uh, do they have a list of domains that should be blocked then? One that we can check out to... uh... ensure our kids aren't going there and stuff.
https://torrentfreak.com/annas-archive-loses-pm-domain-adds-greenland-gl-backup/
The real judgement was to force the domain registrars to comply since they have something they can take. The archive can just move to new domains.
Am i just dumb for not finding the torrents ? Ive been looking around and cant find them !
Oh, right, I should send them some monies.
Last I heard they only released the data on what they had, when did they release the actual music?
They never released music, just metadata. It doesnt matter. This injunction is just legal posturing. They have no jurisdiction to tell foreign domain registrars to do anything. It takes an actual cop walking in on a data center to finally seize a site (surrender hard drives, reroute domains, etc.) If the server is in another country, it takes years to go through the red tape. If the country is not collaborative, it will never happen, specially since piracy is seen as a very low priority issue in the grand scheme of cyber crime.
it never will. like "illicit" subs went down on reddit in '16, they fled to foreign sites so the us cant touch them,
I like their attitude.
Loses
Where exactly have they lost a game that hasnt even ended?
No. They aren't letting animals loose. They lost their court case.
Weird way to correct way to make me aware of a grammatical error but appreciated either way
I was clarifying how to use loose vs lose using context. If you're going to correct someone be sure your correction is correct.
its 185.178.208.181 btw
Yeah I'm sure that will keep it offline.