My wife tried to post a bunch on art related communities only to have her account banned without us knowing. She does oil paintings and other such art pieces. You had to have a history before you could post...which no one was willing to tell her. So her account got shadow banned. She gave up after a while on reddit. I dont blame her.
On top of that, bullshit "reputation" rules should never exist here.
When I first made my reddit account years ago, I remember being so confused when I couldn't post more than one comment every 10 minutes (absolute bullshit arbitrary restriction), and when I tried to join a community with "too low karma." "Oops, you can't do that cause you're an unpopular nobody and we don't want you here... Yet."
What's the actual point of holding someone back from joining your online community if they don't have enough "points" on their comments or posts? It's just such bullshit imo, and restricts everything an online forum should be.
What’s the actual point of holding someone back from joining your online community if they don’t have enough “points” on their comments or posts?
It is a legitimate anti-abuse tactic. Like you've mentioned, there are obvious flaws, but it does help prevent brigadiers, advertisers and other bad actors from easily spinning up throwaways to harass or manipulate a community.
Another way to do this could be account age testing, but this can be defeated by pre-registering empty accounts.
How is a normal person, who's never used reddit in the past, supposed to even know how to get karma? Or how the lack of karma is impacting their UX?
The only way is to game the system, get into a sub that allows shitposts and exists for the sole reason of boosting karma. Which immediately teaches the new person to game the system. Counter-intuitive and counter-productive.
I think it's definitely an effective way to keep new users from spamming.
It chases away new users (or, at the very least, keeps them from active participation). Because of this system, a new Reddit user is more likely to be a doom-scroller with zero participation. And that's what Reddit wants. Reddit doesn't need another shitposter. Reddit doesn't lack for quality content, since it aggregates the bulk of its content from other sites via powerusers. So fuck it if new people participate, as long as they see the advertising sponsors, Reddit is happy.
A well-run community will either be explicit about its age/karma requirement, or it will manually approve filtered posts from low-reputation accounts. I moderate /r/flashlight and we use the latter approach.
That takes work though. Some moderators are lazy, and some communities are understaffed. That's not good, but it most cases it's not malicious. It has fairly little to do with Reddit the company making money from advertisers.
You mean like how you will never see this comment because I made fun of Rimu and Piefed on memes only posted to lemmy.ml so my account was deleted from piefed.socialcredit instance with the reason "Nasty" having never posted there?
Reddit is basically an American psyop machine. The censorship is alarmingly heavy. It bizarre and I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it because it's seems so extreme. It's like a government tool now.
Censorship is always going to exist to some extent, but Lemmy has the potential to balance it out because there is no central authority. So you could have censorship of different stuff on different servers, but if you take the network as a whole you would still get a diversity of information.
I remember everybody celebrating Luigi the whole time, I guess some mods and admins were wary of threats of violence being hosted on their servers but overall it's impossible to criticize Luigi on this platform without getting heavily downvoted, and celebrating him is free upvotes.
So I feel like you're being pretty overdramatic and also not really accurate with this comment.
One to correct a minor grammar mistake, a second to call the first pedantic, and a bunch of good bot/bad bot replies to both, and now half the comment section is noise.
They're rarely funny or interesting past the first time you encounter them, and their creators never willing to acknowledge that they've unleashed a pest.
I'm glad some of the reddit copy communities here like DankMemes died quickly because it was being run by the same loser mods from reddit.
So far I've only been banned from I think maybe 2 communities ever. The only one I remember is one of the NCD communities because the lead mod was a dumb dumb.
I don't really care about complaints of specific instance users because unpopular opinions and comments deserve to be seen, otherwise you create an echo chamber.
So long as there is no brigading, it is much healthier to see everyone's input.
Also I hope the r/Chodi crowd never finds lemmy lol.
'''r/Chodi''' was an ultranationalist Hindu subreddit banned in the year 2022, after the ban, several users migrated to Telegram, r/IndiaSpeaks, r/Indiadiscussion, and r/bakchodi.
r/Chodi promoted Islamophobic and Christophobic speech, in addition to hateful messages against LGBTs (transgenders included), sexist and misogynistic messages and other types of attacks on ethnic and religious minorities, use of misspelled sexual terms to circumvent the Reddit software.
Their religious extremism and reactionaryism made the urban dictionary classify them as close to Islamic extremist groups such as ISIS.
Perhaps its too late for the largest instances, but the idea of a site like this being a spectator activity, about consumption, rather than creating communities. Some smaller instances, and even some larger ones, have an actual unique atmosphere and have larger projects across the instance. When we suddenly got a flood of reddit users escaping from the third-party API fiasco and the Luigi bans, that was huge enough to dilute some of the communities with large amounts of people used to simply voting and commenting, or having a website premade for them.
That time they made the up/down-vote arrows slightly smaller in the mobile UI, without notice or changing anything else, so we all spent a solid week confused about why we were suddenly misclicking it on every post.
Thankfully, I don't think it could happen here since there's like a million different equally popular mobile clients, and they all release changelogs.
The Reddit culture of just hating on random people's objectively harmless hobbies/interests/preferences. Think "snark" subreddits and similar. And if you call them out on it suddenly you're the problem.
Channel that hate toward things that actually do harm if anything.
everything i hoped to never see is already here and has been here since the original redditor exodus after that whole API fiasco
the misogyny, the barely-disguised racism, the western chauvinism, the excessive hostility and pedantry, and did i mention the misogyny? holy shit there's so much misogyny
Overly restricting and subjective deletions and bans for low quality. (Eg: /r/casualuk)
Hear me out - restricting based on low quality sounds great, right? Until it's your post that's blocked. And you know it isn't low quality, is unique and offers a new perspective. Some mods have genuinely forgotten that it's (mostly) humans at the other end of their actions, or haven't forgotten and enjoy being dicks.
I can’t? People who are very convinced of their opinions will use the tools developed for use in forums like Reddit to further their agenda. Other platforms will use bots here to marginalise it. On a small platform like Lemmy you don’t need many.
ID verification
Corporate control
Shadow bans.
My wife tried to post a bunch on art related communities only to have her account banned without us knowing. She does oil paintings and other such art pieces. You had to have a history before you could post...which no one was willing to tell her. So her account got shadow banned. She gave up after a while on reddit. I dont blame her.
I hope we never get so petty.
On top of that, bullshit "reputation" rules should never exist here.
When I first made my reddit account years ago, I remember being so confused when I couldn't post more than one comment every 10 minutes (absolute bullshit arbitrary restriction), and when I tried to join a community with "too low karma." "Oops, you can't do that cause you're an unpopular nobody and we don't want you here... Yet."
What's the actual point of holding someone back from joining your online community if they don't have enough "points" on their comments or posts? It's just such bullshit imo, and restricts everything an online forum should be.
Well it’s obviously to deter bots
It deters humans far more than bots.
Humans feel unwelcome and are much less likely to stick around.
It is a legitimate anti-abuse tactic. Like you've mentioned, there are obvious flaws, but it does help prevent brigadiers, advertisers and other bad actors from easily spinning up throwaways to harass or manipulate a community.
Another way to do this could be account age testing, but this can be defeated by pre-registering empty accounts.
It's a
legitimateCONFUSING anti-abuse tactic.How is a normal person, who's never used reddit in the past, supposed to even know how to get karma? Or how the lack of karma is impacting their UX?
The only way is to game the system, get into a sub that allows shitposts and exists for the sole reason of boosting karma. Which immediately teaches the new person to game the system. Counter-intuitive and counter-productive.
I think it's definitely an effective way to keep new users from spamming.
It chases away new users (or, at the very least, keeps them from active participation). Because of this system, a new Reddit user is more likely to be a doom-scroller with zero participation. And that's what Reddit wants. Reddit doesn't need another shitposter. Reddit doesn't lack for quality content, since it aggregates the bulk of its content from other sites via powerusers. So fuck it if new people participate, as long as they see the advertising sponsors, Reddit is happy.
A well-run community will either be explicit about its age/karma requirement, or it will manually approve filtered posts from low-reputation accounts. I moderate /r/flashlight and we use the latter approach.
That takes work though. Some moderators are lazy, and some communities are understaffed. That's not good, but it most cases it's not malicious. It has fairly little to do with Reddit the company making money from advertisers.
I get that it works, but the side effects are sometimes worse than the disease.
There are better methods.
Agreed
You mean like how you will never see this comment because I made fun of Rimu and Piefed on memes only posted to lemmy.ml so my account was deleted from piefed.socialcredit instance with the reason "Nasty" having never posted there?
In reply to a comment:
This.
I also choose this guys wife.
In fairness, that one does get a giggle from me. Every time. Even this one. Especially this one.
Giggity. (Please forgive me.)
Are they still as bad about assuming everyone's a white cis het man, too?
I forgot about these kinds of comments ace I really don't miss these kinds of comments.
Oh damn that's a shame to hear. I hope we can get better without compromising on being anti-corporate
It was i also choose this guy's dead wife iirc
Yep. You're right
https://web.archive.org/web/20250117021656/https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5c79n0/comment/d9ubcfc/
This 👆
I do this a lot, but I atleast follow or with a paragraph of context.
“Came here to say this.”
“This is the answer.”
“Beat me to it.”
… Followed by nothing else.
Thanks for 1000 updoots!
Underrated comment.
(Under the very top comment or something incredibly basic and lame.)
"This is the way"
Repost bots and hidden post histories
Ultra toxic anti communist far right.
The proudly and openly racist comments - particularly towards Arabic people.
Redditors- I mean AI, Ads, gold, archived posts, and probably more I don't want to remember
And my axe!
Don't forget deleted or spoiled comments
Censorship and manipulation
Reddit is basically an American psyop machine. The censorship is alarmingly heavy. It bizarre and I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it because it's seems so extreme. It's like a government tool now.
Censorship is always going to exist to some extent, but Lemmy has the potential to balance it out because there is no central authority. So you could have censorship of different stuff on different servers, but if you take the network as a whole you would still get a diversity of information.
I remember everybody celebrating Luigi the whole time, I guess some mods and admins were wary of threats of violence being hosted on their servers but overall it's impossible to criticize Luigi on this platform without getting heavily downvoted, and celebrating him is free upvotes.
So I feel like you're being pretty overdramatic and also not really accurate with this comment.
He sucks. I much prefer Princess Peach and I'll fight all of you.
Fucking Spezes
Certainly karma.
Unsolicited bot comments.
One to correct a minor grammar mistake, a second to call the first pedantic, and a bunch of good bot/bad bot replies to both, and now half the comment section is noise.
They're rarely funny or interesting past the first time you encounter them, and their creators never willing to acknowledge that they've unleashed a pest.
Ads
Bans and heavy moderation of content.
I'm glad some of the reddit copy communities here like DankMemes died quickly because it was being run by the same loser mods from reddit.
So far I've only been banned from I think maybe 2 communities ever. The only one I remember is one of the NCD communities because the lead mod was a dumb dumb.
I don't really care about complaints of specific instance users because unpopular opinions and comments deserve to be seen, otherwise you create an echo chamber.
So long as there is no brigading, it is much healthier to see everyone's input.
Also I hope the r/Chodi crowd never finds lemmy lol.
Whats r/chodi?
'''r/Chodi''' was an ultranationalist Hindu subreddit banned in the year 2022, after the ban, several users migrated to Telegram, r/IndiaSpeaks, r/Indiadiscussion, and r/bakchodi.
r/Chodi promoted Islamophobic and Christophobic speech, in addition to hateful messages against LGBTs (transgenders included), sexist and misogynistic messages and other types of attacks on ethnic and religious minorities, use of misspelled sexual terms to circumvent the Reddit software.
Their religious extremism and reactionaryism made the urban dictionary classify them as close to Islamic extremist groups such as ISIS.
https://partners.time.com/6160519/reddit-international-hate-speech-ban/
Oh I see. We definitely don't want anything like that on Lemmy
r/chuddy really existed omg
A hivemind that likes propaganda
rage bait posts/ subs in the vein of Am I the Asshole
Perhaps its too late for the largest instances, but the idea of a site like this being a spectator activity, about consumption, rather than creating communities. Some smaller instances, and even some larger ones, have an actual unique atmosphere and have larger projects across the instance. When we suddenly got a flood of reddit users escaping from the third-party API fiasco and the Luigi bans, that was huge enough to dilute some of the communities with large amounts of people used to simply voting and commenting, or having a website premade for them.
Astroturfing
Questions about reddit
That time they made the up/down-vote arrows slightly smaller in the mobile UI, without notice or changing anything else, so we all spent a solid week confused about why we were suddenly misclicking it on every post.
Thankfully, I don't think it could happen here since there's like a million different equally popular mobile clients, and they all release changelogs.
Remembering reddit exists at all. Why can't people stop obsessing over reddit and just enjoy the fediverse?
Fascism
Have you been to feddit lately?
Abuse of power by moderators (which is already sadly happening here)
Censorship
"why dont you just google it smh"
The Reddit culture of just hating on random people's objectively harmless hobbies/interests/preferences. Think "snark" subreddits and similar. And if you call them out on it suddenly you're the problem.
Channel that hate toward things that actually do harm if anything.
Banning you from communities x and y as soon as you post in community z. Such petty BS
everything i hoped to never see is already here and has been here since the original redditor exodus after that whole API fiasco
the misogyny, the barely-disguised racism, the western chauvinism, the excessive hostility and pedantry, and did i mention the misogyny? holy shit there's so much misogyny
Overly restricting and subjective deletions and bans for low quality. (Eg: /r/casualuk)
Hear me out - restricting based on low quality sounds great, right? Until it's your post that's blocked. And you know it isn't low quality, is unique and offers a new perspective. Some mods have genuinely forgotten that it's (mostly) humans at the other end of their actions, or haven't forgotten and enjoy being dicks.
Search something innocent and the first post you see is porn.
Spez
People
Bots
Really? I think there are a lot of bots here, maybe more than Reddit.
You can't be serious
I can’t? People who are very convinced of their opinions will use the tools developed for use in forums like Reddit to further their agenda. Other platforms will use bots here to marginalise it. On a small platform like Lemmy you don’t need many.
Subreddits that do not represent the title and instead hate it.
I'm looking at you /r/china.
Too late. ![email protected]