I feel like this one is relatively uncontroversial
URL pronounced as "earl" however? I'll spend all of my remaining energy in life ensuring the person saying it is stapled to the bottom of the Mariana trench with rebar
Sure, that explains why people pronounce it that way now. What I'm wondering is why people started pronouncing it that way in the first place. When I see the letters JSON, my brain parses it as J-SON. It's even a common first name ffs.
I couldn't say. There is an older guy in my group who calls it "Jason". Also we have 2 guys on my team named Jason and the back end jason now goes by J-Sahn. I have always read it j sahn and I have no idea why.
SQL is pronounced 'Sequel' because it was originaly SEQUEL.
SQL was initially developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and Raymond F. Boyce after learning about the relational model from Edgar F. Codd[12] in the early 1970s.[13] This version, initially called SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language), was designed to manipulate and retrieve data stored in IBM's original quasirelational database management system, System R, which a group at IBM San Jose Research Laboratory had developed during the 1970s.[13]
That would explain why it's only American to I've ever heard referred to it like that. Every European developer I've ever heard referred to it as always called it SQL as would I.
I too am going to call DNS 'Dennis' from now on, lol.
Yeah I've had some discussions over time with the whole SQL vs Sequel thing, and what I realized was that...
Well basically, I learned 'Sequel' from a bunch of old timers in the Seattle area.
The kind of people who had been writing COBOL since they got back from Vietnam, people who'd actually worked at IBM, still acted like Microsoft was an 'upstart', people who'd just offhand tell me about the one time they got 'deployed' to Saudi Arabia to flash a compromised BIOS onto hardware destined to be used in Saddam's air defense network, prior to the Gulf War.
So, they actually literally were there back when SEQUEL was invented.
Thanks for making the comment I came to make. I imagine being older and remembering SQL as a new-ish thing really helped cement this, but when I started programming professionally for an enterprise, literally everyone pronounced it like this. I can see how and why it makes little sense to younger people.
The wild thing is I'm only in my 30s, I'm probably a youngin', compared to you, I just was around a good deal of old timers, real fuckin' wizard types.
The original product was called SEQUEL. Structured English QUEry Language. They got sued over the name by a company named Sequel, so changed it to SQL but kept calling it sequel, as do we all.
I call it like that since I'm from SA and I learnt it in english so it was taught to me as an acronym. When learning English I just translated the acronym. Learning the original name is a TIL for me but I'm still calling it like I did fuck it.
Jurassic Park (InGen) ruined any possibility of me ever pronouncing this the way they want me to. It'll always be In-Gen-Icks out of my lips, like it's a pharmaceutical company.
My native language is not English and saying "sequel" in this language is extremely forced and just not the norm. This bleeds over into English for me.
I self-taught SQL on the job and was denied a promotion because I said S-Q-L instead of Sequel. The supervisor that was interviewing me for the job ended the interview early because of it. This was almost 10 years ago now and I'm still salty about it.
HTML: hatemail
HTTP: hat-top
MSDN: Mastodon
SSH: shhhhh
Anybody else ever use HoTMetaL to make a website?
Not HoTMaiL?
Or HoTMaLe?
HoTtaMaLe
Don't forget to remove the husk
I always thought it was Hotmail, probably because my first email address was using Hotmail and that was sort of my first introduction to computing.
Add enough JavaScript frameworks and I'm sure the metal gets very hot indeed.
Good thing it's not running on bare metal, amirite
I had HotMetal Pro. I got it on a cd in a library book sale.
PHP: fffffffp
Pehp.
hitttup, wuh wuh wuh
I thought HTML was hate em all.
HTML = hit mill
It's like a machine (mill) that gets you hits (web traffic)
HTTP = hitch tip
It's the tip of the hitch that you attach to the hit mill
JSON is pronounced Jason
SCSI was always skuzzy.
Ah, I see, you're a person of culture and distinguished taste.
I feel like this one is relatively uncontroversial
URL pronounced as "earl" however? I'll spend all of my remaining energy in life ensuring the person saying it is stapled to the bottom of the Mariana trench with rebar
JSON Statham
Jason Derulo~♪
I say Jay-sahn.
Lots of people do, and it makes no sense.
How do you pronounce "J"?
How do you pronounce "son"?
Now put them together.
Oh I get it!
How do you pronounce "e"?
How do you pronounce "yes"?
Now put them together for "eyes"!
Sure, that explains why people pronounce it that way now. What I'm wondering is why people started pronouncing it that way in the first place. When I see the letters JSON, my brain parses it as J-SON. It's even a common first name ffs.
I couldn't say. There is an older guy in my group who calls it "Jason". Also we have 2 guys on my team named Jason and the back end jason now goes by J-Sahn. I have always read it j sahn and I have no idea why.
Legendary
So, how do you say "J" then?
"ᒋ"?
LOL! I wouldn't pronounce "J son" like Jason, either!
"Son" is pronounced "sun". Jason is pronounced Jay-sin.
Also, I've had coworkers named Jason, and I want to be able to say "Use JSON" without it sounding like I'm saying "Use Jason".
You sound like a fun person to work with.
It isn't Jason, it's Jayson. But yeah, basically indistinguishable.
And the only sane choice, as opposed to Sequel.
J-Son ≠ K-Son
SQL is pronounced 'Sequel' because it was originaly SEQUEL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
It then later evolved, and changed from being an acronym into an initialism, kind of, sort of, mostly for people who are unaware of the etymology.
'Sequel' is quite literally the tradtional way to pronounce it.
TIL, thank you. Still not gonna say it like that.
DNS is pronounced 'hosts' because it was originally one big text file.
That would explain why it's only American to I've ever heard referred to it like that. Every European developer I've ever heard referred to it as always called it SQL as would I.
Other DNS is definitely Dennis from now on.
I too am going to call DNS 'Dennis' from now on, lol.
Yeah I've had some discussions over time with the whole SQL vs Sequel thing, and what I realized was that...
Well basically, I learned 'Sequel' from a bunch of old timers in the Seattle area.
The kind of people who had been writing COBOL since they got back from Vietnam, people who'd actually worked at IBM, still acted like Microsoft was an 'upstart', people who'd just offhand tell me about the one time they got 'deployed' to Saudi Arabia to flash a compromised BIOS onto hardware destined to be used in Saddam's air defense network, prior to the Gulf War.
So, they actually literally were there back when SEQUEL was invented.
I want to do this because I'm sure it's going to tick someone off.
I love it!
Also, just a plethora of potential Dennis the Menace jokes.
Whole internet running on the Dennis system, go figure.
Because of the implication
Well... the .gov domains are currently run by an orange god emperor... so... pretty close.
Yeah except this name was already taken and then it became SQL, dropping the English.
Even the start of your wiki says:
Thanks for making the comment I came to make. I imagine being older and remembering SQL as a new-ish thing really helped cement this, but when I started programming professionally for an enterprise, literally everyone pronounced it like this. I can see how and why it makes little sense to younger people.
The wild thing is I'm only in my 30s, I'm probably a youngin', compared to you, I just was around a good deal of old timers, real fuckin' wizard types.
Still gonna call it squirrel though
Came here to make this comment. So by the same logic, DNS or Domain Name System should have been abbreviated to DoNaS and pronounced dou-NAS.
This is amazing in its truthfulness.
It’s not sequel. It’s squirrel.
Skill. Then you can reply to any database problems your coworkers bring up with "sounds like a skill issue to me".
Confusing because there is a DB client called SQuirreL.
But also relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1989/
... Just kill me
Oh my genitals / giantess! 😳
May genitals have mercy on us...
That must be the part where the giantess comes in? 😜
Still wrong. Squeal.
skull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQRL
Squl
We pronounce it ancient.
sometimes its fun to stress wrong letters, like throwing out “ess-Kwall” or “seh-Kwall”
The original product was called SEQUEL. Structured English QUEry Language. They got sued over the name by a company named Sequel, so changed it to SQL but kept calling it sequel, as do we all.
So say we all
Except me who call it Es-Queue-El as language intended.
/Old mans rant off
I call it like that since I'm from SA and I learnt it in english so it was taught to me as an acronym. When learning English I just translated the acronym. Learning the original name is a TIL for me but I'm still calling it like I did fuck it.
South Arabia?
I'm from sweden 😁
South America.
Uruguay
I had a coworker pronounce URL as Earl.
Want some URL Grey tea?
enjinx
Somewhere I heard that it should be pronounced as "Engine X"
On their own homepage? still won't stop me tho
that's how i pronounce it from the very first time i saw it
That's better than me, I was saying en-ginks
Actually I also pronounce it as en-ginks. The parent comment was not obvious to me
Jurassic Park (InGen) ruined any possibility of me ever pronouncing this the way they want me to. It'll always be In-Gen-Icks out of my lips, like it's a pharmaceutical company.
In Gen X we trust
Don't you mean, DEE-niss? 8====D <------ There. It's right there.
How do you pronounce PDF file?
E-p-s-t-e-i-n?
The orange one
T-r-u...
Pee Duff
"The most uneditable proprietary shit in the world that's somehow nonproprietary and ultra popular but really has no right to be any of these"
Aka one of the biggest paradoxes of modern computing.
Similarly, Nazi programmers say "ZIP FILE!!!"
Denise - it's French
You say your name right! Now, dee-NICE!
It's the DENNIS system.
If the nameserver says no, then the answer obviously, is no.
But they won't say no. Because of the resolution.
I like to pronounce them like squeal and dunes.
Bro I heard someone pronounce it squeal before 🫠
That's adorable!
Less so when you consider my rotten syntax
denise
CDN: Codein
DHCP: Dickhead Chilli Peppers
Die Hard Cosplay
DiHCPic
Oh, don't be DeNSe, it's pronounced SQueaL 🐷
It’s always Dennis
I will always judge people who say "sequel"
Why? It originated as literally SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language). It only changed because of a trademark conflict.
That guy REALLY likes trademarks, apparently
Its ok.
Let the script kiddies squeal and squirrel about.
The elder ones ... they were there when the code was written.
My native language is not English and saying "sequel" in this language is extremely forced and just not the norm. This bleeds over into English for me.
Same, but I'm willing to team up with them against people who call it squeal.
I self-taught SQL on the job and was denied a promotion because I said S-Q-L instead of Sequel. The supervisor that was interviewing me for the job ended the interview early because of it. This was almost 10 years ago now and I'm still salty about it.
I didn't need to know this.
Ffs.
And it's exactly what a name server deserves.
I have always called SQL, S Q L.
That's bad logic, obviously if SQL is "sequel" then DNS is "denues."
You know maybe some acronyms just sound good pronounced as words and some just don't, ever think of that?
SQL is pronounced "squirrel"
There's a system for dennis already.
Thanks I hate it
We share the same dinna!
Why add the extra letter? It's clearly pronounced "Denis"
403: Uh uh uh you didn't say the magic word
Denise
It's pronounced squirrel? Smh my head
We really need a good one for DHCP. That shit don't flow off the tongue at all
dennis has-
D'oHCuP? Like when you spill your coffee? 🤷🏻
Now I’m never going to read DNS the same way again 😭
And remember, it's spelled Netscape, but it's pronounced Mozilla.
I thought it was pronounced Esquelle and Deaness.
If char is pronounced "care" then surely arr is pronounced "urr"
We used to pronounce UPDTE as "upditty" (this is a JCL reference. Be happy if you don't get it)
SQL is pronounced Squirrel.
True
God is coming.
a staple of desktop
God is coming
Oddly divisive post. Ya'll doing ok?