Spyke
lemmy.world

I have the Mint (it's fucking good) and no need nor ambition for any other system. Especially an elitist shit which break after an upgrade.

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festntreply
sh.itjust.works

haha imagine having to wait for an update to break your system (i use arch, and tried to config limine snapper sync)

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33550336reply
lemmy.world

once had arch, once cachy os, in both the cases after few weeks something was broken after update (libreoffice, matlab)

never again

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maccentricreply
sh.itjust.works

I had a Kubuntu install go south on me after an update and replaced it with Cachy and I’ve been really digging it so far.

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I have been in Debianland for the last few years, and I'm also in Cachy right now. Not all wine and roses, but I'm also liking it.

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festntreply
sh.itjust.works

i actually switched from cachy to arch because when kde plasma 6.6 released it wouldn't let me past the login screen (i'd log in, it'd start loading and freeze the system)

i used a snapshot to roll back the update and waited for plasma 6.6.1, where instead of freezing it'd just restart. then 6.6.2 released with the same issue as 6.6.0 so i just gave up and installed arch

btw, i still havent figured out limine+snapper configuration yet

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This is a kind of bullshit troubles what I am talking about. And they can arrive when you are in hurry and really need your computer. In my opinion, Arch is just for tinkering fun and ego boosting.

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lemmy.world

I distro hopped for a week, and it was the little things that were dealbreakers.

I love Mint. Mint is love.

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Running Mint xfce on an N100 HTPC with couple of docker containers. I believe this is the most stable OS I ever used. Never breaks, updates are coming regularly. Easy to use for my wife who's never seen Linux in her entire life. Makes 0 hustle and barely consumes any resources. Kind of a "set it and forget it" setup. Fucking love it!

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sh.itjust.works

Mint's a solid choice, I used Mint as a primary or only distro for 10 years, and I've still got it on my laptop. But don't pigeonhole yourself trying to be not like the other girls. I've got Bazzite on my HTPC because Cinnamon is kind of ass at 10 feet, I've got Fedora KDE on my desktop for better Wayland support, and Fedora Gnome on a tablet because it's the only thing that remotely works as a touch-first OS that I could get to actually run on that tablet.

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elucubrareply
sopuli.xyz

See? I knew doomscrolling served a purpose. Bookmarked for the info about the tablet.

Does it work well with low spec tablets? 2Gb RAM 32 (64?) disk?

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The machine I have it on is a Lenovo Duet 3i, which has a Pentium processor and either 4 or 8GB of RAM. I bought that machine specifically to use in my wood shop, I wanted a fanless machine that could run FreeCAD.

As a touch device, it's just this side of unusable. It likes to forget what orientation it was in when waking up from sleep, and doesn't like to correctly find out while waking up. Gnome will sort of mostly function with gestures and larger touch buttons, most apps are still designed very strictly for mouse and keyboard. The onscreen keyboard isn't fantastic. I can confirm that Windows Vista had a better tablet experience than present day Fedora Gnome. But it functions.

I tried Fedora KDE, and trying to get Fedora KDE to be a tablet OS was a fool's errand, the features aren't even half-baked, they're on the counter waiting for the oven to preheat. Fedora offers a KDE Touch image which I found runs like boiled butt.

I have no experience with ARM tablets; this is on an x86 tablet (or one of those Surface knockoffs with the keyboard that pops off).

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redsandreply
infosec.pub

Im the guy who has to tell all the kids mint is run by volunteers who are not actually up to the task of running a secure OS. It's not as bad as manjaro but it is not good either. Please stop making this people's first distro, it's an ubuntu fork that hasn't needed to exist since spins came out.

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redsandreply
infosec.pub

Why? It's the cold hard truth. Mint was created as an Ubuntu alternative that would be prettier and appear more like windows. It has never had solid corprate backing or even pillars of the FOSS community working on it. It's a hobby project and not even a unique one anymore. Just use a fedora, buntu, debian or suse spin for new people.

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moonshadowreply
slrpnk.net

The "cold hard truth" is that volunteers are more than up to stripping some the nonsense back off of ubuntu, and plenty of the people that made it good back in the day are involved with mint now. It's no one's favorite but this much hate for the beigest of distros is weird to me and your take on its origins is just plain wrong

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redsandreply
infosec.pub

No. They are not up to it. It's the #1 distro on Lemmy and it shouldn't be.

To be clear the only distro I hate is Manjaro, mint I only think about when people here remind me it's popular. Downvote away, your oppinion is meaningless.

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33550336reply
lemmy.world

It has never had solid corprate backing

This is why I love mint, among other reasons.

Recommending Ubuntu in place of Mint is a total derangement absurd.

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Isn't Linux mostly either a hobby project for a huge majority of it's contributors, or the origin of the rest?

I kinda seem to remember that the Linux family tree is littered with failed corporate backed distros.

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elucubrareply
sopuli.xyz

Why is Mint less secure than other general purpose distros?

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Not particularly now days but it's lower hanging fruit than anything with paid maintainers

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lemmy.world

Y'all's, I don't want to tinker with my OS. I don't wanna think about my OS. I just want my OS to work, mind it's fucking business and leave me alone.

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That's exactly why I run Linux. If you want something that just keeps running the basically the same way for like 20 years, that's your option.

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redsandreply
infosec.pub

May I introduce you to OpenBSD? Where uptime is measured in years.

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shamelessreply
lemmy.world

I'm 100% in this camp, ive used Pop!_OS now for years and it's never given me any grief! One PC has had it installed for almost 6 years and it still runs flawlessly.

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I've been on Garuda for years now, and despite choosing an Arch derivative, I have zero (0) desire to ever change any kind of config, and I will never understand the desire to do so. I need my PC to actually work.

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Agent641reply
lemmy.world

Bruh if I could pay a modest yearly subscription to a company and get actual professional personal support for Linux and not have to roll the dice on snarky forum comments, I unironically would.

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That was the whole Redhat business model when they just started.

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This. That's why I have stuck with Mint for almost a decade now. It's the perfect workhorse: it fits my workflow, is stable as heck, just quietly does what it needs to do and gets out of my way the rest of the time. Hence, I don't see why I should switch to anything else.

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lemmy.world

Those penguins appear to be Gentoo penguins, so in a way only one belongs

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abbadon420reply
sh.itjust.works

I bet OP wouldn't even know if gentoo, chinstrap and adelie are penguins or linux distros

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feddit.org

You, too, can become a 1337 h4xx0r with this one (1) simple trick: Read the manual!

Which is both definitely correct, but also profoundly unhelpful for newbies. But seriously, there is so much documentation, blog articles, video tutorials etc. for Linux, if you put in some effort everyone can go from newbie to hacker/programmer/gentoo user.

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Last time I looked, the closest thing to a "manual" published by Linux Mint was mostly a manifesto about why they're not using various bits of Ubuntu. Sure the good old man command is still in there but Cinnamon is supposed to speak for itself.

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True that, it's more relevant to commandline applications and whatever has a page in the Arch wiki (which is a great resource regardless of distro). Ubuntu itself does have extensive manuals, which are mostly still useful for Mint when they're not specifically about Ubuntu's default desktop environment.

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Art3misreply
lemmy.world

I was recommended mint to start and quickly poked around too much and reached some limitations. Took like a month. Then i switched to arch and have been on that for like a year. The docs are amazing and i have learned SO much in a v short time

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Art3misreply
lemmy.world

I was trying to do stuff with start up scripting and window tile management that my mint install was having a hard time with. Arch and kde plasma fixed it

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feddit.org

Sounds like your issue was more the desktop environment than the distro itself. Did you ever try to install Plasma in it? Back when I used Mint, I actually used i3-wm for a while.

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Nope, it felt too closed for me anyways. I like arch a lot more. I have had next to no issues.

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Tbh as an Arch (btw) user I'm not really some magic computer wizard, I struggle with basic python, I often forget command arguments (I take heavy advantage of fish but sometimes it doesn't know the arguments either), I don't know how to do much scripting, I don't make my own config files, and my de is cosmic. Remember that most advanced Linux users are less advanced than people think (occasionally less advanced than even they think).

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sopuli.xyz

I installed arch using archinstall a few years ago just because i got sold on a custom hyperland config, never looked back.

I have yet to understand what the fuss is all about with it being difficult or not new user friendly.

Yes there are weekly updates, and on occasion they do break something, but that was never different on windows.

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exprreply
piefed.social

You do have to install/setup a lot more stuff yourself, fwiw. That's probably largely what it is, that there's little that comes pre-baked. It's basically a build-a-distro toolkit.

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sopuli.xyz

Tbh i think the hypeland configuration solved pretty much all that for me.

The project has been renamed and changed maintainer since but its still very much alive if anyone wants to check it out.

https://github.com/HyDE-Project/HyDE

I had never seen a tiling window manager before and my only experience on Linux was a little ubuntu server to run my Minecraft server from.

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I'd say most of that is just outdated opinions based on a time when archinstall wasn't yet included in the live ISO and using it was also more frowned upon and seen as a "cheat". Thankfully we mostly got over that second part.

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Ha, this is basically me. Still wouldn't recommend rolling release to newbies, but my Linux knowledge is basic at best, and I've still used Arch for 8 years without many issues.

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The closest thing to a programming language that i know is html. Messed around with bash once. Love arch

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It's a simple life. All you need for an OS, and no more. Only issue is the stupid installer. Disk partitioning is like handling a gun blindfolded.

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pmkreply

A few times per year I distrohop, but there's always small glitches in every distro I try, except for Debian. At least on my laptop, Debian just works.

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lemmy.world

Marduk I don't know why you chose your username but it is my favorite of all the Mesopotamian/Babylonian I forget gods so I love it when I see your name pop up. First prize! :3

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I've used it forever. 90's or early 00's. Started with pazuzu from i think final fantasy or similar game.

Then was thinking of ancient gods as well. Fight between Marduk and tiamat.

Just stayed with that.

Well glad i can bring happiness where i can. Have a great day.

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feddit.org

Sure, arch has a steep learning curve, but in the long run easier to use than others since it has better documentation.

Since you're already doing a fresh install, might as well create the root partition as a BTRFS with opensuse-style subvolumes for easy snapshotting and rollback. And since you're so close might as well also add LUKS1 encryption across the partition, since TPM is untrustworthy for REAL security. You're going to be using a grub config with rd.luks params and a protected keyfile so you don't have to decrypt the partition twice per boot like some scrub, of course.

Of course, technically there is nothing wrong just a plain arch install as long you've devised a proper opsec strategy, alongside daily, weekly and monthly full-disk offsite encrypted backups!

And yes indeed, Arch linux is the distro that was ordained to me!

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Samskarareply
sh.itjust.works

Arch forces you to learn about Linux internals and components. Most people don’t need to know these things to work productively with their computers. Arch is more of an „build your own OS“ toolkit than a well defined base operating system. Two Arch installs can be more wildly different to use than Fedora and Ubuntu. That’s why you need the mountains of documentation. Arch wiki is great, but it’s not perfect or correct. Lots of outdated info lingers there as well.

BTRFS with subvolumes is they way to go, I agree. Mint sadly still defaults to EXT4 with only an encrypted /home. I installed Mint recently and a modern partition setup like you describe was difficult to get working. I don’t even remember, what I ended up with.

security

The AUR is a security nightmare.

easy snapshotting and rollback

That‘s an area Mint is pretty weak in.

OpenSuSE

Makes fantastic distros, that more people should use.

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The AUR is no more a security nightmare than Linux itself. Much of it is built by god knows who, and the fact that code is inspectable, doesn't mean it is.

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I daily drive FreeBSD and have tinkered with Plan 9 and Haiku.

My Linux desktop (for gaming, DRM, and Linux-specific stuff), my wife's laptop, the kids' laptops, and our two media PCs all run Mint. It's great.

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If you have any problems with Blueman not letting Bluetooth controllers work, install KDE system settings. Don't know why that works but it does.

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lemmy.ca

At the end of the day for new and casual users, support wins. Ubuntu has the largest community of support, making Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu while having a more elegant variety of UI, making it a good compromise. Good choice.

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Regular Mint is based off of Ubuntu, which is Debian based itself. However, it is somewhat beholden to the Ubuntu way of doing things.

They do have a version that uses a plain Debian base, so they're not reliant on Canonical. That version is LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition).

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lemmy.world

Don’t worry. You can just as easily wreck your Mint install as any other distro, as soon as you start to poke around.

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And, importantly: the same applies to Windows. How many updates has Windows had that broke something essential with no user intervention?

Fact of the matter is any OS can break if you purposefully try to poke around without knowing what you're doing.

What distros that are more "resilient" to breaking do is either prevent you from easily/accidentally poking around, prevent you from applying updates willy-nilly, or set up easy rollbacks in case something breaks (or a combination of these).

Imo, if you're not a tinkerer and you have a distro with backups properly setup, you're very likely gonna be fine no matter what distro you choose.

Though Mint is still awesome and if you don't have any problems with it just keep using it.

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As a someone who wanted to play around with mint after already using arch for a longer while to check out "distrohopping": easier*

(went right back to my comfort space of arch real quick, don't really get distrohopping yet, how do I actually do that properly?)

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Been using Pop_OS! For almost 4 years now. Now I have SteamOS on my deck, headless Linbuntu on my mini PC, and MacOS on my work machine. Still love coming back to pop, especially with the new Cosmic DE.

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I mean yeah. This is going to be me as soon as I fix my next two one! life and death problems and hang the drapes, and also post a picture on here of the picture we found thrifting because i am excited that it helps color my room I don't care that it's a print of AI bullshit. I can put a print of something better there eventually but it catches the eye right now.

In the meantime, is there a "these are the cli commands you need to know" Linux for stoned dummies cause I haven't used it since college and that was decades ago

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Qwelreply
sopuli.xyz

If you intend on using a normal desktop distro, you will usually be able to find the command for what you want to do online. You may not even end up typing any command, I remember someone who was hyped to use the terminal being disappointed that he never got to.

The "essential" cli commands are the ones that you will definitely not use in an everyday desktop life. It's going to be about file manipulation, maybe some daemon management and networking. All of this will be either preconfigured or done through a file explorer and web browser.

If you can say what you want to do and with what distro, maybe people can try to anticipate what you'll need? I would generally advise to wait for a reason to use a command before worrying about learning it.

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wibblereply
reddthat.com

Just remember that there is an emergency tty in the ctrl alt f1-7 somewhere. I never remember which one, so spam them until it appears, usually when I maxed my ram and have no swap

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TeleTypeWriter? sorry, have some Deaf friends so that is the first thing that comes to mind

edit oh gods i've even had my coffee that's not even the same letter. this is the first time i have felt shame in... hold on i need to get a calendar. 22 years, 4 months, 23 days. oh gosh.

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lemmy.world

i want to try this but part of me says i'm going to end up with a felony in 39 nonconsecutive countries

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lemmy.zip

I think the main thing to keep in mind when doing any of these hacking games is permission. Do you have permission to do what you are doing? With overthewire they give you permission to do the challenges. If you were to try to go outside of what they say you can do, and try to pivot to another part of their system to hack, that'd be illegal.

If you're interested beyond cli stuff like otw/bandit has check out tryhackme.com They have a lot of fun beginner friendly stuff as well.

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the game tells me i have permission, but do i really? for all i know i'm really hacking into a cia blacksite's third backup or something. i mean i'm not really that paranoid, but i can imagine what my qanon sovcit quiverfull brother would think it might be and go one worse, and then see if i can afford to lose that gamble y'know

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Next month will be two years in Mint exclusively. I have no complaints.

Well, I do miss the big preview window in File Explorer, but otherwise, I'm happy to be rid of Windows.

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me who broke my Asahi Linux again by trying to update the firmware 🐒

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nutbutterreply
discuss.tchncs.de

Found it.

The cat is edited in the image with penguins. If you need, I can try to find the cat only too, I have seen the standing cat image too, somewhere.

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