"Schumer needs to get the hell out": House Democrats fume over DHS funding talks
Well sounds like the Democratic leadership to aggressively court disgruntled voters and listening and addressing their concerns is off to a great start with this.
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Guys, you just don't understand. His job, as he stated, is "to fight like hell for Israel." This other stuff is just peanuts for him.
Not just Israel. He's also here for the Baileys!
From Wikipedia:
Specifically an imaginary couple who voted for Trump twice. His guiding imaginary couple are Republicans.
If you haven't seen it, here is a link to Jon Oliver's piece about Schumer and the Bailey's and how the imaginary swing voters he bases his policy decisions on are really Republicans.
Fuck those people. I'm from long island, I know people from Massapequa. They probably love ICE.
So does Schumer
Sorry to hear that mate.
Even better, Trump takes the focus off Gaza, that's a big win for Schumer.
Maybe he needs to go be a politician in Israel then because I'd prefer that he "fight like hell" for the US at the moment.
Maybe he should join the Knesset if he cares more for Israel than the US.
It's a conflict of interest for sure.
I used to think he was merely useless, now I think he's a collaborator.
Now?!
Yes.
I used to, but I still do.
The DNC is controlled opposition and the fact that centrists are in denial about it puts all of us in great peril.
Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory right there.
I dunno, even if they aren't, they are so ineffective that they kinda are doing that anyway
When you've got one side that mostly follows the rules and one side that mostly cheats, the side that cheats will usually win.
Most of the Dems aren’t really trying to follow rules or not tho. They’re just kinda sitting there watching it all happen.
Realistically what do they have the power to do that they aren't doing? Republicans have control of the House, Senate, Judiciary and 27 state governorships.
Off the top of my head: Not support the funding of the Gestapo. That would be an excellent place to start.
Okay, let's say they stand their ground and say "zero DHS funding". They don't have the votes to stop it and it gets funded anyway, right?
BUT, if they can negotiate to give something to peel off a few Republican votes in exchange for things like investigations into the killings of Good and Pretti, body cams on ICE, and no face masks for ICE? Isn't that better than nothing?
Disagree all you want about it tactically, but at least you recognize the logic, right?
No facts or historical perspective here, only "both sides same" on .world
But the side that mostly follows the rules is also just handing the cheating side unearned Victoria over and over again.
Scummer is rolling over on his already shitty appeasement offer.
Shumer's perspective is to try and get what he realistically can get. He could stand his ground and say "defund ICE" but it would have 0% chance of success. He believes if he can negotiate and get even 1 of 10 requests fulfilled, then that is better than nothing. With Republicans having the government trifecta, there is little leverage to get any concessions.
No, it's not his perspective. He's not fighting for Us. He's an awful fucking negotiator. He gives his "final offer" as his opening bid, then continues to negotiate against himself from there.
He thinks he's safe from the jackboots. And is willing to throw the rest of us to the wolves to maintain that illusion.
Normally I would agree with you, but shooting high with demands largely just leaves the right being unwilling to even talk about negotiating. This is what they did with the original 10 demands Democrats made.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/ridiculous-republicans-reject-dems-10-demands-for-dhs-reforms
Proposals put forward have to be tempting enough to pull individual Republicans to negotiate.
He's gotten multiple threats on his life including bomb threats to his office in December. He is very aware he isn't safe.
Even if they aren't controlled opposition and just completely incompetent, worthless, hypocritical assholes, their actions results in the same so F these guys.
That I can agree with.
Really? Cause they are both bought by AIPAC lol
People love blaming the Jews. The National Association of Realtors spent more than the AIPAC last cycle.
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/top-pacs/2024
Schumer literally said himself that his job is to fight for Israel.
That has been the position of nearly every US politician in both parties for the last 40 years. He also calls for a real ceasefire and a two party state, recognizing Palestine has just as much right to statehood as Israel.
Meanwhile when Trump was asked if it's his job to uphold the Constitution, he said " I don't know".
I agree, Trump shouldn't lead the Democratic Party either.
Fo now we all have exactly two choices: Democrats or Republicans. Shumer or Trump. Any third option is an illusion or a lie.
People? Im a jew. Fuck you nazi bootlicker. How many realtors have committed genocide?
By your logic, AIPAC is running the government based on how much they donate. If you are being logically consistent then you should also believe realtors are running the country.
One group has nothing to do with the other nazi bootlicker
The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of my people. I am the farthest from a bootlicker as you can get. Keeping the center left and the far left fighting is exactly what the Nazis want, because we can't beat them unless we fight together.
...they kinda fucking are lmfao. Realtors play a role in property ownership. They benefit from things like... wealthy people buying real estate to rent out.
Anyway. Let's not act like publicly visible donations are (the government of) Israel's only vector for bribing and influencing US politicians.
Lol, you're right about the wealthy hoarding land. My point is that it would sound weird to say "the government is run by big realty!"
It's true that there is a lot of dark money, but by definition that is nearly impossible to attribute a source. All we can do is speculate.
Again, conflating a Nation State with ethnicity.
Ironically, it is antisemitic to link Judaism to a genocidal regime.
Israel is explicitly a Jewish ethnostste and claims to be the homeland of all Jews. That link is literally in Israel's founding documents. You might as well complain about linking the Vatican to Catholicism.
25% of Israel is not Jewish. The land is also sacred to other faiths.
If the Pope started killing residents of Rome and expanding the Vatican into Borgo then I would blame the Pope, not Catholics in general.
The Knesset is majority Jewish, the cabinets are almost exclusively Jewish ministers, and of course there is PM Netanyahu. He rew is the country's official language and almost 80% of Israeli Jews think Jewish citizens deserve preferential treatment over citizens of other religions.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-israels-jewishness-is-overtaking-its-democracy/
No, proven fact. Proven again and again and again.
What is preventing you from knowing what your eyes can see?
The Washington Generals were controlled opposition for the Harlem Globetrotters. They never actually tried to win.
Democrats do try to win and succeed about half the time. What my eyes see is that Republicans don't want Democrats around to stop them from enacting more fascist policies. Democrats so far are one of the only major obstacles to that end.
If that obstacle is a speed bump that just lies there while it’s rolled over then sure.
Realistically, what do they have the power to do that they aren't already doing?
Well they could have held up funding the entire budget, easily. They had that power and they pissed it away for nothing. They could also constantly bring up impeachment votes for trump and his appointees to get the republicans on camera backing unpopular actions up. When they fail to do that they fail to pin accountability on the republicans that would hurt them during reelection time. These are trivially easy things to do.
Why do you keep running interference for failure Chonky? You seem to have a vested interest here. Ah I see. perusing your previous coments, I see pro AIPAC stuff. Got it.
You mean through government shut down? That has consequences. People that depend on government benefits lose their support. Government workers can't pay their rent/mortgage. Meanwhile the Republicans will steal funding from wherever to make sure ICE doesn't miss a dime. Is that worth the sacrifice? It's easy to say yes when you aren't the one making that sacrifice.
There is a fundamental thing about the MAGA mindset that we all need to understand. When Republicans get caught lying, cheating, and stealing they DONT CARE. They assume all politicians do this regardless of party. It is irrelevant as long as the politician pushed the policies they want. GOP support of Trump didn't drop a bit during either impeachment (and in fact went up following the first one).
No you don't. You see anti-blaming-the-jews stuff. It's probably been months but I've argued heavily in the past for an independent Palestinian state and for Israel to stop it's genocide.
You see me as running interference for failure, but I see you and others as visualizing success that simply isn't possible in the real world. Republicans control all three branches of the government and the President has his own personal army bent on installing their fascist dictator. The idea that show impeachment trials or protest votes are going to make any difference is laughable.
If you don't have at least one of the phrases "controlled opposition" or "manufactured consent" in your comment, you're not really a good bootlicker for left-wing authoritarians.
In b4 "All authoritarians are right-wing" and "No True Communist" objections.
What left-wing authoritarians???? What fucking year is it??
"No True Communist"
No country claiming to be Communist is actually Communist.
That's not what I said. Can you answer the question I posed?
It's 2026.
Got it, so no you can't. There are none.
And the other part of the question?
Calling out a potential fallacy is useless if you can't actually correct with information.
Jokes on them. I favor parties that advocate for the extinction of the human species. Left or right doesn't matter so long as humanity is wiped out completely.
That just sounds like a description of fascism.
Fascism needs people to rule over. Extinction, by definition, means nobody to rule over upon success.
It's ecofascism.
Fascism must always have a target to persecute. The logical end game is everyone is dead.
Well my preference is to sterilize the whole population so the species is infertile. Wouldn't have to kill anyone at all to achieve extinction.
Yeah this clown and like half the Dem establishment needs to go. Maybe more than half. I'm not one for the "both parties are the same" bullshit, but between the enablements and the not listening to constituents, it is clear that many of these people are incapable of performing the duties for which they were elected.
Their duty is to Israel first, America second. We need to primary any Dem who takes AIPAC, or other Zionist groups, money.
If they are on this list they’re a traitor and should be voted out https://www.trackaipac.com/congress
Maybe people will actually vote in primaries this year then.
Chuck is a big reason in the rise of Trumpism. He has been weak and only cares about Israel.
How sad you all assume he's not corrupt and is just taking in big $.
Um Ackshually, he doesn't seem to be taking in big $, at least according to his financial disclosures (PDF). Most recent estimates of his net worth are in the $7 million range, but that also counts his house in Park Slope, which is probably worth over $3mil now but I doubt he paid that. And a bunch more is in his retirement account. He's not struggling by any means, but he doesn't have "Fuck You" money like Elon has.
There are a lot of memes going around about how rich some of these politicians are but they are mostly fake
He's like Biden, he's not even corrupt, he just ficks over the people for the love of the game
He cares about his fictional moderate Republican family.
He doesn’t work for the American people he works for Israel
House Democrats found themselves in the familiar position this week of seething at Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) for negotiating a deal with Republicans to keep the government funded.
Why it matters: While his caucus remains behind him, Schumer is becoming persona non grata for much of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.
"I'm gonna continue to tell you that Schumer needs to get the hell out over and over and over until he does," Rep. Delia Ramirez (D-Ill.) told Axios. "He continues to demonstrate to us that he can't meet the moment," she added. Another House Democrat, speaking on the condition of anonymity to offer insights into private conversations among lawmakers, told Axios: "The main feeling among members is a lack of trust in his strength and ability to strike a hard bargain." State of play: The House voted Tuesday to pass an appropriations package that funds the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Labor, Housing and Urban Development, State and Transportation until September.
It also keeps the Department of Homeland Security funded at 2025 levels until Feb. 13, which is meant to give Senate Democrats and the White House enough time to hash out a final deal on ICE and Customs and Border Protection reforms. But while Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) have said they won't accept anything short of reforms of those agencies, their GOP counterparts have cast doubt on the prospect of a quick deal. Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) went so far as to tell reporters that a deal by Feb. 13 was an "impossibility," floating a year-long stopgap funding bill to keep DHS open. What they're saying: Jeffries has essentially threatened to allow a DHS shutdown if his demands aren't met, saying in a statement Tuesday, "Absent bold and meaningful change, there is no credible path forward with respect to the Department of Homeland Security funding bill next week."
But Schumer, asked if he would make the same ultimatum at a press conference with Jeffries on Wednesday, told reporters, "I'm just going to say we're sending them a proposal and we await their response." Senate Democrats — unlike their House counterparts — have the ability to block a DHS funding bill because it takes a 60-vote majority to pass it in the upper chamber. What we're hearing: Some Democrats, worried that the threat of a DHS shutdown is not enough to force Republicans to the table, feel Schumer gave up the party's best leverage by cutting a deal to reopen the rest of the government.
"Every time that we are winning, we seem to somehow sabotage [it]," Ramirez fumed, noting that House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has already ruled out several Democratic demands.
Said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.): "Personally I was of the opinion ... that, 'What are we going to get in 10 days that we didn't get?'" A second House Democrat who spoke on the condition of anonymity told Axios that "all those spending bills, that is the most leverage," and that "many folks in the [House] Democratic caucus wish that we had more confidence in Schumer's ability to navigate a good, tough deal." Yes, but: Some progressive House Democrats are still confident that the DHS bill is enough leverage to secure some concessions.
"I don't think Republicans want a DHS shutdown," Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told Axios. She added: "If Donald Trump wants to ... issue the State of the Union with the entire Department of Homeland Security shut down, I think that is a terrible indictment of his leadership. And I do think they care." Jayapal and Rep. Chuy García (D-Ill.) both argued that public opinion against ICE is another piece of leverage for Democrats, with García telling Axios: "They 'ought to be worried how their policies are faring with the American people." The bottom line: "It could be a huge failure" for Senate Democrats, Ocasio-Cortez says, if they fail to secure the reforms the party are demanding.
"The stakes are quite high."
Massey, the Republican on the outs, told the dems they have to actually hold out for something concrete.
Jesus christ, maybe massey should be appointed to lead. How are there no challenges to democratic leadership? Not now, not, ever? What is wrong with the party? What is wrong with us for accepting this?
Massie has more balls than the entire DNC combineded
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Too bad balls doesn't equal decent values.
So you know nothing about Massie?
Oh? Do you mean like this?
Or
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Or how about this doozy:
Turns out Israel isn't the only fucking issue in the US. Maybe don't be so fucking myopic.
It takes a lot of courage to buck the party right now. He probably would make a good leader, the stances of the leader on issues really aren't important right now either, getting concrete concessions is. Extracting information from oversight is. Producing political messaging, from press releases to questioning administration/government officials, to digging up dirt on perversions of the administration. ie exporting government data to private data banks owned by thiel's faction from doge contrary to law.
We need a leader that can help the party members do these things. Their own politics aside they need to want to fight, maybe that's schumer's problem, he doesn't want to upset the baileys, the fictional family he cites as real to justify playing to the right despite the baileys seemingly hating him and voting republican.
I say give massey a chance if no one else will throw their hat in the ring. I'd give it to Marjorie if she was still in the game, she at least had the backbone to stand up.
You only got what you got because you funded DHS for two more weeks. Now you have all the leverage because social services aren't on the chopping block anymore.
AoC needs to primary him
Attack on Chuck?
Exactly.
Sie sind das Essen und ich bin der Cortez!
(Sorry to German speakers, I don't speak it)
Duh. Schumer works for Israel, not the USA.
Every one of the fucking rotating villains needs to go. You vote for any of that shit, you're out.
Boomers have overstayed their welcome.
This isn’t a generational issue, this is all out class warfare.
I mean, tons of more boomers in the upper class after they killed all the unions that they benefited from and shipped all the jobs out for globalization
always has been.
There's a class connection with generations and privatization.
I think its both. Boomers have a lot to answer for and have been abysmal stewards of the world. They fail by nearly every metric. They are the worst generation.
That's true but don't fool yourself. There are younger dirty politicians waiting to replace them if we aren't careful, and probably in some places even if we are.
Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!
I used to think it was Russia that had infiltrated US politics. I mean it did, but Israel got there first.
Israel, Russia, Trendy Aqua, whatever. Ultimately the USA has failed to maintain its obligations to civil society, allowing those who operate the mechanisms of power and policy to be susceptible to such exploitation. Classic blunder.
The US also got there first. Sure there are outside forces acting on it but let’s be real, they have a lot more control over themselves than this and choose to be shit.
We put our political system up for sale and are enemies bought it. I think its mostly our own fault.
Hey leave me outta that shit.
fair point. its the "royal we" where you are only a member insomuch as you have any role in actually operating or changing it. Collective responsibility is a slippery topic.
Yes but look at the long game. Imagine what happens when we lose relevance. It’ll be Israel vs Russia.
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Schumer is hand-in-hand with the republicans. What they can’t win, he loses for the democrats.
I have held my nose and voted for this rat-fuck in every election of my adult life. I keep hoping someone who actually cares about New Yorkers will primary him.
You can do more than hope. Find a qualified challenger and volunteer on their campaign if you have the time. Stump for them in your area.
Only way to get elected if you're north of Westchester County is to get appointed to the position first.
I wish I was exaggerating, but Hillary Clinton and Bobby Kennedy are the only non-NYC/non-incumbent senators the state has elected in nearly 70 years.
Mamdani is proof that NYC is ready to embrace a non establishment Democrat. I hope a good challenger to Schumer emerges
AOC polls way better than Schumer among all registered voters in New York (yes, including Republicans). She's going to primary him in 2028.
Wish it could be sooner, but her success can leverage off Mamdani's progress, should all go well...
So did Bernie. We all saw where that got him.
It's time for the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries to get the hook, and get dragged off stage.
Get the fuck out chuck and move to Israel you will be accepted there.
Get rid of him and they'll replace a mirror image of him. The same way they replaced Pelosi with a black to version of Pelosi.
What a primaryable face.
He’s an active traitor. Insidious.
Cuck Schumer
Dems are a dead end.
We need a revolution
Ain’t it weird that we can all see these politicians that make weird, nonsensical decisions like Schumer does are Israeli plants, but the politicians who sit right beside them everyday when they go to work can’t? Either they are willingly stupid or just trying to play dumb in our faces.
ICE is a domestic terrorist organization. Anyone who even conceives of throwing more money at it or thinking these animals just have to be “trained” is not living in a state of reality. ICE agents act exactly like the cartels and do not value human life. They are damaged goods, who come from a different culture, that are not compatible with American society. The only solution for them is hard therapy and those dogs are too far gone for that.
Did you ever watch parks and rec? Do you remember the episode where Ben is working on a senatorial campaign and the Senator is essentially a robot? He comes out, makes some generic statements on camera, says a few scripted lines to the people around him "stay cool, it's a scorcher out there!", and then goes into a room and stares blankly at a wall until they need him for something else.
That is essentially what a good portion of our politicians are like. They make no decisions. They have no opinions or thoughts of their own. They are surrounded by handlers every day who tell them what to wear, where to go, what to say, and how to vote. They have zero autonomy of their own. And unfortunately, this is far more apparent on the left rather than the right. I don't get why people are surprised that the Dem leadership has been so ineffectual; it's essentially just a collection of cardboard cutouts with voice recorders going "When they go low, we go high!"
He's an enabler, like that of an addict. Enablers need to be held accountable, just the same.
What’s that on his neck?
a Hicky from Netanyahu
They can get rid of him anytime they want. If they don't, it's because they want him in that role.
He's a fucking collaborator
When they pulled that bullshit to oust David Hogg cuz he was actually trying to do shit was my final straw for dems. Some fresh young blood comes in and wants to make progress and their first thought is "we need to get rid of him." Fuck establishment dems they are absolute piles of dog shit and they aren't even the worst party we have in America!!
I'm starting to think that a one-party BUT multi-tendency socialist system might be a bit better than a bourgeois liberal two-party system
We just need like 24 senators who arent compromised by Israel to win an internal party vote to dethrone him. But we dont even have close to that many who would vote for that. This is why we need to clean our own house up as our first focus. We cant fight republicans effectively when Israel controls our leadership and prefers that trump always wins. Our reps dont actually work for us, and thats part of why dems always lose. Its not that its the nature of left leaning people to fight weakly.
If those senators are Progressive Democrats, and NOT Establishment Democrats.
Am I the only one that thinks if they can get ICE to follow the laws and have recordings would be a positive change?
Not negotiating and leaving all as is right now seems worse
I'm sure that you've got some good company there like Henry Cuellar, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Tom Suozzi, and the others who are naive enough to think you'd get ICE to follow laws they already aren't following and not murdering American citizens if they only had body cams when one of them was literally filming his execution with his camera while violating SOP.
They can't though, and to think that's a possibility seriously misunderstands the situation.
The point of a fascist death squad is not to follow the law. If they'd intended to follow the law, they wouldn't have created illegal anonymous death squads with no oversight and free rein to attack whoever they want.
First, there is no reason I can see to think that ICE will follow the new laws they pass. They are not following the law now. Second, why would cameras make a difference? We have clear video evidence in at least two murders committed by ICE and there has been now action taken to prosecute or even reprimand the murderers.
The only viable option for the democrats in Congress is to use the GOP playbook and extort the administration by shutting the government down until they comply.
Recordings or body cams will change nothing. They all know there's a hundred cameras pointed at them when they do something and they do it anyway, they know there is no accountability.