He knows he has exactly zero chance of winning the state when his party is the one sending murdering thugs to it's streets. Now he gets to pretend to be a good person and avoid an embarrassing loss.
I'll take a republican (maybe) having a conscience or even just abandoning a sinking ship over die hard fascists who would go down with the ship and drag as many people with them as they can.
At least he's virtue signaling instead of vice signaling.
Many places have or had in the past closed primaries, meaning you can only vote as a registered party member. I wouldn't complain if people had registered to try and influence from within the system, though that is an uphill battle that may not be worth it and can backfire. Pushing for a weak candidate to try and get the opposition elected is how we got Trump's first term.
I'm living in Utah, so midterms are automatically going to whatever name has "Rep." next to it. If I want to influence anything at all, I need to be able to vote on whose name that is
In some states the primary is essentially the real election. I can't fault someone for voting in a republican primary when that determines their fate. In other states there are open primaries and the democratic candidates may be uncontested or you may want to simply vote against someone, like Trump, as many chances as you get. Suddenly you are a registered republican because of the ballot you requested.
They draw the line at spilling secrets about other Republicans. Remember this hit from Trump's last term?
“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” said McCarthy, R-Calif., according to the report.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., has said policymakers in Washington have been too harsh on Russia and should work more closely with Moscow to fight extremist groups.
McCarthy’s comment prompted laughter from some Republicans in the room.
House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., told his colleagues to not share the remarks, the Post reported.
“No leaks, all right? This is how we know we’re a real family here,” Ryan reportedly said.
It doesn't matter what happens behind closed doors, as long as you don't talk about what happens there.
When a democrat fucks up, other democrats call for and get a resignation. When a republican fucks up, they circle the wagons and defend the offender to the last breath. Democrats are not Good but don't act like they're the same.
Tbf everyone has the right to a fair trial, John Adams himself even defended the British soldiers in The Boston Massacre. Even this loser deserves a trial (and should get convicted imo based on the evidence we've seen already, but still he deserves a trial as does everyone else).
I don't doubt that this guy actually feels anger and is actually struggling with his feelings of guilt and some kind of morality crisis.
But that's only because this is actually happening to him and the people he knows firsthand. Because that's how Republicans are, these types of actions are fine when it happens to others but the minute it affects them personally, then and only then are they all of the sudden concerned about things.
They just don't have any sense of empathy or thinking about others at all. It's just all about me with them.
Empathy is something that's learned. I used to be anti-gay and less empathetic to people of color because I grew up in a super-conservative all-white bubble. When I had some higher-end school friends realize they were gay and started getting to know more and more people who weren't WASPs, I began to see individual people instead of "others." And that's when I started seriously questioning how I viewed the world.
And a lot of people are on the verge of that social empathy without even knowing it. When you hear someone talk about how Carlos at work is "one of the good ones", that's someone who is on the edge of understanding. They actually know Carlos, so they don't see him as an immigrant, but as a person they like and respect who does good work.
We have to help them understand that Carlos isn't the exception.
true, even if dint a Republican isnt going to win the govorner race anyways. thats why the gop having been upping the propaganda that minnesota is a fraud/immigration ridden state. thats why people saw walz as being weak and "do-nothing"
I'm always amazed people keep having new lines they cannot cross. I really just assumed that if you were gonna vote for Mr. "Grab 'm by the pussy", you were already AOK with basically anything, as long as it came from the party of Reagan.
Resiging in protest of something usually a way to critique that thing.
Not saying he's doing it for the right reasons or well enough, but he's no less outcome-focused than someone expecting moral standards from republicans in a lemmy comments section.
I’m curious if he has actually stood up and verbalised the his support for their for the individuals of his state. Stepping back is one thing. I am asking he has stepped up or said something for the right cause here.
He is and I suppose to some degree openly making statements about the behaviour would likely be a conflict of interest.
It’s just quite an odd situation. I don’t believe this guy has suddenly grown a conscious, I think he is playing politics, I think most with a conscious would likey say hey AB & C are just not acceptable. He does not seem to have said anything like this. It’s the mild mannered step back and use the family as an excuse. There no sorry. There’s no I stand against violence.
Show me a consistent framework of justice where it was okay for John Adams to represent the guys who did the Boston Massacre but that guy (who is a shitbag who murdered someone) shouldn’t be represented.
I agree, he’s a murderer and should be prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law. But representation is part of that law.
How are so many people in this thread saying “yes, Trump bad” but also “I want to do exactly what Trump does but to other people instead”
The implication (I hope) is that noone is representing him that isn't a public defender. This man should be so socially radioactive that only the lawyers ordered by the court consider it.
I'm not saying this is what it's happening here, but I swear I recall a story of a lawyer who knew his client was guilty and wanted him to be put away for life, but defended them to the best of his ability to ensure that they wouldn't get a mistrial on the basis of Ineffective Assistance of Counsel.
Half the country thinks he was actively defending himself from an active shooter. They’re wrong, obviously. But to suggest that social pressure should make him unrepresentable is ridiculous.
i think i saw on reddit Madel wrote a memo on how to get "ross legal help form the DOJ or another legal firm and would be totally covered pro-bono" hes a total pos
hes doing it to save face, and also why trump sorta backpadeled on ice, he was trying to boost madel campaign. it includes ross getting charged or SUED.
Lets not pretend that he's grown a conscience. What he doesn't want is a humiliating defeat that would tarnish any dreams of a legacy he wants going forward. They will be back just not at this very moment whilst the party is super unpopular there.
They did this after january 6th as well and then media memory holed everything a couple years later and revised the event. The media will memory hole this as well.
remember how the courts gave all of them slaps on the wrist anyways. i think only 1 person rejected a pardon, "she finally realized she was in the wrong."
You're almost definitely right, but I think we should encourage it instead of jumping on it. Lets not make it clear that its ride or die for anyone who drank the koolaid.
I'm a leftist queer enby who was AMAB and almost fell down the alt-right pipeline and in my ignorance validated the opinions of libertarians. If it wasn't for positive voices in my life, who knows the demons I would have welcomed in. I see good people around me now echoing, what is blatant to my current perspective, a negative voice.
I can shame them for not knowing better or I can guide them down the right path. Our environment really can be blinding, my friend. I'm just grateful this man has positive voices from his daughters. Because I was truly stupid and he probably is, and hopefully a was, too.
there is surprising amount of LGBTQ+ that are in alt-right echo chambers. especially around white supremacy. i remember seeing a video on yt about adult film star, gay. a black one was calling out a white one at the time how he never associates with poc in the industry only whites, and the white guy gave a half ass answer as to why. your a southern white guy with the accent and all, cant get any obvious than the politics you support.
he saw the ICE thing wasnt helping his campaign/run, so he backed out, hes not doing out of his good heart. Also the likely reason why trump is trying throw bovino and noem under the bus. i think it is the reason why ICE was in minnesota in the first place, to help his campaign.
To me it sounds like he is just changing to a new set of lies to get what he wants. What he wants is power and the best thing you can do for the good of us all is deny him any.
At this point I will take any ally in this situation. Piece by piece we can and will take this corrupt administration down. With or without any support from either side of the political spectrum.
It took until now for that to sink in? This isn’t morality, this is simply jumping ship after taking way too fucking long to read the room. This is a scared rat on a sinking boat, nothing more.
im guessing thats why TRUMP had ice attack minnesota as soon as walz dropped of the race, hoping to give him some brownie points on being anti-immigration. Also the fact that he is the attorney for Renees murderer too. and trump immediately started backpedaling on ice the moment he dropped out of the race.
Minnesota is a Democratic-leaning swing state where Republicans have remained competitive, which likely pushes the state party toward moderation compared with places like Texas. While this isn’t representative of the entire party, it does suggest early cracks a year after Trump’s win. It’s not meaningless; it highlights how difficult the midterms may be for Republicans, especially in swing states, where extreme national behaviour makes it harder to compete in states that are nowhere near as extreme.
Conscience? No. This is just common sense. He knows there is no chance in hell he'd win and no way to defend the ICE fiasco, so he's making a shiw of dropping out. Smart. He's giving himself giid PR for an election when things are less heated.
Stay in the race and hold the spot from some other asshole. If you win, don’t be a shitty ass republican; if you lose then some shitty ass republican didn’t win.
People in this thread: “This guy did something okay-ish, but I’ll only consider him to be a good person if he personally kills the president and then himself”
You know what they called people who opposed rounding up jews, gypsies, and the disabled to be disposed of but still backed the party? They were called Nazis because that's what they were.
You don't get an award for staying in a party of hate. Defect and take an actual stand instead of using this as a PR boost.
Did you expect him to announce his party switch in the same announcement? Like, he’s taken the biggest stand of any republican politician so far. Yes, that isn’t good enough yet. But when people do something that’s in the right direction and you respond with “FUCK YOU” do you think that helps convince more people to do the same?
Your response is exactly why this is an issue. And it is very easy to show why.
You make it sound like beginning your defection is some mountain moving effort. It is not. He could have easily said "I am no longer going to be in the party who 'Executes People in the Street'". But instead he knows exactly how to play you.
He had no issue when they started handing out the playbook on how they will destroy the country. He had no issue when ICE came to his state and started rounding up all the black and brown people. He had no issue when they started violating the rights of actual US citizens because ICE didn't give a shit who they round up. He had no issue when they shot Renee Good in the head. He had no issue when they started using children as bait. He had no issue when they executed Alex Pretti in the street.
It was only when he read the room and realized that he could not win the governorship that he finally took pause. He crafts a tweet and sprinkles in a comment about his daughter because he knew it would pull at the heart strings of naive people like yourself. He has no issue being in the party who Executes People in the Street. He just realized that losing in a landslide will destroy his career.
How hard is it to say I am no longer going to be in the party who Executes People in the Street?
It is a mountain moving effort, though. Humans are deeply social creatures. Every thing that surrounds this guy has incentivized him to believe and behave in a way that keeps him part of the tribe. It’s safe to stay in line.
We do not know that he had no issue with the terrible things that happened. But we do know that the whole of American conservatism is set up to squash those doubts as soon as they come up. To keep everyone in line or face being ostracized.
He has not done enough, yet. But there is a huge difference between telling someone “yes, good, you’re starting to get it” and “fuck you, dude, you’re irredeemable.” There is certainly a core of shitheads that is irredeemable. But most people caught up in this think they’re doing the right thing.
Obviously they’re not doing the right thing. But they want to. Imposing day one ideological purity tests does not make it easier for them to change their minds about what the right thing is.
Yes, deprogramming yourself does take a lot of effort. But what we are seeing is exactly what you'd expect from someone who isn't in that process. His response was a way of distancing himself while saving face. Its making sure he doesn't go down with the ship. There is no condemnation, just self preservation.
Everyone acts like this hasn't been in the process for the last 50 years. Like its some fly by night cabal that just showed up. We have been not only seeing this destruction coming but we've been yelling about it for years. So to get any kind of acknowledgment of change you need to show you have defected. Because time after time what we end up seeing is this exact "Oh I can't be a part of this because everyone hates it, right?" Once enough conservatives start getting angry and loud again these politicians all fall back in line. If Trump's ratings suddenly skyrocket you know this guy would be back out there running again and Trump would be promoting him to get rid of the "Evil Tim Walz". This is formulaic, sitcom writing level story line.
You say they want to change, why would you think that? The natural reactions of empathy has been lost on many of these people for decades. A normal person would see someone being executed in the streets and cry out "OMG WTF?!?!". A normal person struggles to wrap their head around such brutality. It is jarring. Now you're telling me he is some how going deprogram himself without empathy. What would be his motivation outside of losing his livelihood? Because decades of voting to make the poor even more poor, the voiceless even more silenced, and those seeking help getting kicked in the teeth why on earth would you think this guy suddenly "feels bad"? Once being a shit person comes back in style why wouldn't he just go back to his following?
I appreciate and agree with this sentiment entirely, but the people who need to hear it won't.
Lots of people crowing about the (I think it was) Chinese idea of solidarity, where the peaceful protestors shouldn't undercut or decry the violent protestors because they're all on the same side. They missed that the incredibly oversimplified concept is meant to flow both ways.
Yes, this isn't enough, but that doesn't mean this isn't also an important step in the right direction. The way this is worded definitely sounds like a party switch. If he's the horrible asshole everyone here thinks he is, it's not like it ever takes long for these folks to demonstrate it again.
...doing one good thing after a lifetime of aligning yourself with and assisting terrible people doing terrible things does not make you a good person. He just found the line he wasn't willing to cross, and that was jackboots in the street murdering random people in broad daylight. He was fine with everything up until that line.
This isn't someone who voted for Trump waking up to reality and saying they regret it. This isn't someone who sees the error in their ways and making amends.
This is a coward. It takes no courage to quit a race while still defending a murderer like Jonathan Ross.
I think it’s good he saying something, but dropping out of the race doesn’t do anyone any good. Run as a Republican in vocal opposition or as an independent, then there will be action behind his words.
People in this thread if that happened: “Oh, he says he doesn’t like it, but he’s still running for governor as part of the republican party. He just wants his power and as part of the GOP he’ll always be compromised.”
Do you want a better world? Let people become better people instead of crushing their bones.
Hey, man - don't worry about all the downvotes. I also can't figure out why people wouldn't be willing to extend an olive branch to someone who has willfully aligned themselves with the modern Nazi party until he decided that it would no longer be a winning strategy in his district. It's a complete mystery.
He knows he has exactly zero chance of winning the state when his party is the one sending murdering thugs to it's streets. Now he gets to pretend to be a good person and avoid an embarrassing loss.
It sounds like vote forecast rather than a moral awakening.
Exactly.
No chance of winning so why bother running. Steal what credibility you can and save your effort of sunnier weather.
I'll take a republican (maybe) having a conscience or even just abandoning a sinking ship over die hard fascists who would go down with the ship and drag as many people with them as they can.
At least he's virtue signaling instead of vice signaling.
If he's still a Republican, all he had is a pang of guilt, not a sudden onset of conscience.
It's a start though.
I’ll take what I can get at this point
he also defending Johnathon ross, so no not a conscience.
Doubtful. Just expects he won't lose. It's not like the modern Republican party only just spawned, so he did in fact sign up for exactly this.
If you registered as a Republican in the last 60 years, that is exactly what you signed up for. You joined the nazis and you knew.
"This is what I voted for."
They say smuggly
Many places have or had in the past closed primaries, meaning you can only vote as a registered party member. I wouldn't complain if people had registered to try and influence from within the system, though that is an uphill battle that may not be worth it and can backfire. Pushing for a weak candidate to try and get the opposition elected is how we got Trump's first term.
This is why I'm registered republican this year
I'm living in Utah, so midterms are automatically going to whatever name has "Rep." next to it. If I want to influence anything at all, I need to be able to vote on whose name that is
In some states the primary is essentially the real election. I can't fault someone for voting in a republican primary when that determines their fate. In other states there are open primaries and the democratic candidates may be uncontested or you may want to simply vote against someone, like Trump, as many chances as you get. Suddenly you are a registered republican because of the ballot you requested.
Is looking pretty good for an 80-year-old I've got to say.
Good Republicans don't stay Republican for long
Reminds me when Cawthorn was expelled from the party because he ratted them out about the cocaine and orgies.
Like thats where he draws the line. Everything else was fine.
They draw the line at spilling secrets about other Republicans. Remember this hit from Trump's last term?
It doesn't matter what happens behind closed doors, as long as you don't talk about what happens there.
When a democrat fucks up, other democrats call for and get a resignation. When a republican fucks up, they circle the wagons and defend the offender to the last breath. Democrats are not Good but don't act like they're the same.
Thinking Fetterman is actually a democrat kinda tells us all we need to know about you.
And anyone still one passed that point long, long ago. (Except kids. I feel like the clock only starts once you're out from your parents' bubble)
He’s probably pulling out because of polling, but regardless, I appreciate him blaming the GOP immigration policies.
more than likely , hes defending johnathon ross as his defense attorney.
Tbf everyone has the right to a fair trial, John Adams himself even defended the British soldiers in The Boston Massacre. Even this loser deserves a trial (and should get convicted imo based on the evidence we've seen already, but still he deserves a trial as does everyone else).
Note to the reactionaries about to diss this guy: He said "Hispanics and Asian" people. Not black people.
So he could be telling the truth 🤔
I think black people are being left out of this about as much as white people? Progress?
Wait, no. Today brown people are the target.
Don't worry though, I'm sure the white supremacists will turn to more targets after this one if they get their way.
I mean I guess black people fall into the "Heritage Americans" JD Vance cares about
I don't doubt that this guy actually feels anger and is actually struggling with his feelings of guilt and some kind of morality crisis.
But that's only because this is actually happening to him and the people he knows firsthand. Because that's how Republicans are, these types of actions are fine when it happens to others but the minute it affects them personally, then and only then are they all of the sudden concerned about things.
They just don't have any sense of empathy or thinking about others at all. It's just all about me with them.
Empathy is something that's learned. I used to be anti-gay and less empathetic to people of color because I grew up in a super-conservative all-white bubble. When I had some higher-end school friends realize they were gay and started getting to know more and more people who weren't WASPs, I began to see individual people instead of "others." And that's when I started seriously questioning how I viewed the world.
And a lot of people are on the verge of that social empathy without even knowing it. When you hear someone talk about how Carlos at work is "one of the good ones", that's someone who is on the edge of understanding. They actually know Carlos, so they don't see him as an immigrant, but as a person they like and respect who does good work.
We have to help them understand that Carlos isn't the exception.
Most Democrats disapprove of what's happening in Gaza, but I haven't met a single one who's left the party over it. This isn't unique to Republicans.
Yeah. He did. At no point did Trump or MAGA lie about their intentions. From the beginning they said exactly what they were going to do.
And he signed on. Maybe its because he didn't believe they would actually do it and now he regrets it. That's fine.
But regardless, he literally "signed up to that" and he has to own that.
The guy got blowback for being Jonathan Ross' attorney right now. Conscience my ass.
This exactly. Fuck him and fuck Jonathan Ross.
true, even if dint a Republican isnt going to win the govorner race anyways. thats why the gop having been upping the propaganda that minnesota is a fraud/immigration ridden state. thats why people saw walz as being weak and "do-nothing"
I'm always amazed people keep having new lines they cannot cross. I really just assumed that if you were gonna vote for Mr. "Grab 'm by the pussy", you were already AOK with basically anything, as long as it came from the party of Reagan.
"I'm ok with Trump murdering babies on live TV, but eating them is where I draw the line."
On the one hand, better late than never.
On the other, the Republican party has been the party of maximum scumbag since like Nixon.
Maximum scumbag would make a good name for a horse.
I don't care what the odds are, $20 on Maximum Scumbag in the 4th
Has he made any effort to criticise or stand up to to ICE or is it all passive and about himself?
Resiging in protest of something usually a way to critique that thing. Not saying he's doing it for the right reasons or well enough, but he's no less outcome-focused than someone expecting moral standards from republicans in a lemmy comments section.
I’m curious if he has actually stood up and verbalised the his support for their for the individuals of his state. Stepping back is one thing. I am asking he has stepped up or said something for the right cause here.
Well please look into it and get back to us with citations.
I am pretty sure through all this he's the attorney for the agent who murdered Renee Good.
He is and I suppose to some degree openly making statements about the behaviour would likely be a conflict of interest.
It’s just quite an odd situation. I don’t believe this guy has suddenly grown a conscious, I think he is playing politics, I think most with a conscious would likey say hey AB & C are just not acceptable. He does not seem to have said anything like this. It’s the mild mannered step back and use the family as an excuse. There no sorry. There’s no I stand against violence.
doubtful, he is vouching for johnathan ross, and is reccomending how ross can seek legal help from the republicans.
You did though, it's not a new part of the GOP.
He's representing the fascist assassin Jonathan Ross....
Show me a consistent framework of justice where it was okay for John Adams to represent the guys who did the Boston Massacre but that guy (who is a shitbag who murdered someone) shouldn’t be represented.
I agree, he’s a murderer and should be prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law. But representation is part of that law.
How are so many people in this thread saying “yes, Trump bad” but also “I want to do exactly what Trump does but to other people instead”
The implication (I hope) is that noone is representing him that isn't a public defender. This man should be so socially radioactive that only the lawyers ordered by the court consider it.
I'm not saying this is what it's happening here, but I swear I recall a story of a lawyer who knew his client was guilty and wanted him to be put away for life, but defended them to the best of his ability to ensure that they wouldn't get a mistrial on the basis of Ineffective Assistance of Counsel.
Half the country thinks he was actively defending himself from an active shooter. They’re wrong, obviously. But to suggest that social pressure should make him unrepresentable is ridiculous.
I didn't know Ross was being charged, I figured Trump had opted to just give him a medal and a paid vacation.
i think i saw on reddit Madel wrote a memo on how to get "ross legal help form the DOJ or another legal firm and would be totally covered pro-bono" hes a total pos
What a total shitpiece
hes doing it to save face, and also why trump sorta backpadeled on ice, he was trying to boost madel campaign. it includes ross getting charged or SUED.
Lets not pretend that he's grown a conscience. What he doesn't want is a humiliating defeat that would tarnish any dreams of a legacy he wants going forward. They will be back just not at this very moment whilst the party is super unpopular there.
They did this after january 6th as well and then media memory holed everything a couple years later and revised the event. The media will memory hole this as well.
remember how the courts gave all of them slaps on the wrist anyways. i think only 1 person rejected a pardon, "she finally realized she was in the wrong."
You did in fact, sign up for that
This guy is just blowing out because he'd get slaughtered. Just quitting to fight another day.
conscience my arse, where was this any time in the past 20 years, dude.
You're just seeing the writing on the wall and trying not to get put up against it
You're almost definitely right, but I think we should encourage it instead of jumping on it. Lets not make it clear that its ride or die for anyone who drank the koolaid.
I'm a leftist queer enby who was AMAB and almost fell down the alt-right pipeline and in my ignorance validated the opinions of libertarians. If it wasn't for positive voices in my life, who knows the demons I would have welcomed in. I see good people around me now echoing, what is blatant to my current perspective, a negative voice.
I can shame them for not knowing better or I can guide them down the right path. Our environment really can be blinding, my friend. I'm just grateful this man has positive voices from his daughters. Because I was truly stupid and he probably is, and hopefully a was, too.
there is surprising amount of LGBTQ+ that are in alt-right echo chambers. especially around white supremacy. i remember seeing a video on yt about adult film star, gay. a black one was calling out a white one at the time how he never associates with poc in the industry only whites, and the white guy gave a half ass answer as to why. your a southern white guy with the accent and all, cant get any obvious than the politics you support.
he saw the ICE thing wasnt helping his campaign/run, so he backed out, hes not doing out of his good heart. Also the likely reason why trump is trying throw bovino and noem under the bus. i think it is the reason why ICE was in minnesota in the first place, to help his campaign.
Lol don't be a republican? Like, it IS what you signed up for dude, where have you been for the last 30 years+???
Virtue signal bullshit.
This guy screams lying bullshitter.
Rats leaving a sinking ship.
To me it sounds like he is just changing to a new set of lies to get what he wants. What he wants is power and the best thing you can do for the good of us all is deny him any.
He took one step in the right direction. ONE STEP. That’s better than nothing, but he’s got a long way to go.
At this point I will take any ally in this situation. Piece by piece we can and will take this corrupt administration down. With or without any support from either side of the political spectrum.
It took until now for that to sink in? This isn’t morality, this is simply jumping ship after taking way too fucking long to read the room. This is a scared rat on a sinking boat, nothing more.
I'm sure he was able to make excuses when they were at least kind of pretending they weren't being super racist.
im guessing thats why TRUMP had ice attack minnesota as soon as walz dropped of the race, hoping to give him some brownie points on being anti-immigration. Also the fact that he is the attorney for Renees murderer too. and trump immediately started backpedaling on ice the moment he dropped out of the race.
Minnesota is a blue state. Hence this is meaningless.
Minnesota is a Democratic-leaning swing state where Republicans have remained competitive, which likely pushes the state party toward moderation compared with places like Texas. While this isn’t representative of the entire party, it does suggest early cracks a year after Trump’s win. It’s not meaningless; it highlights how difficult the midterms may be for Republicans, especially in swing states, where extreme national behaviour makes it harder to compete in states that are nowhere near as extreme.
Was the person the prime candidate of the Republicans in that state? I didn't hear of them before being not from your country.
it is why trump used ICE to attack minnesota early on, to give republican some wins.
Nah, a republican looking at the optics, saying some good words, and hiding for a bit.
Sounds like the exact reason he should stay in the race. His presence alone prevents one of the Confederates from posting a candidate.
no hes doesnt, hes defending renee's murder, johnaton ross. plus TRump is only dialing back ICE because he suddenly dropped out of the race.
Conscience? No. This is just common sense. He knows there is no chance in hell he'd win and no way to defend the ICE fiasco, so he's making a shiw of dropping out. Smart. He's giving himself giid PR for an election when things are less heated.
also be the ATTORNEY for JOHNATHON ross isnt going to help him.
Yes you did.
Hey guys, way to take a win and say "yeah actually he's in the wrong for this"
Arrested Development narrator voice: "He did sign up for that"
Stay in the race and hold the spot from some other asshole. If you win, don’t be a shitty ass republican; if you lose then some shitty ass republican didn’t win.
Yes, this exactly.
Well, it’s clear he’s still republican because even in his statement he makes it about him.
“I did not sign up for this.”
Conservatives only have an demon and a devil on their shoulders. They only question the approach for committing evil.
Chris is 10 years late.
Shame he didn't drop dead.
Holy shit, someone with a modicum of principles!
Fuck him for it taking THIS LONG. but I guess its something.
actually no, he defends johnathan ROSS as his attorney/ or seeks legal help on his behalf. this was hurting his campaign thats why.
People in this thread: “This guy did something okay-ish, but I’ll only consider him to be a good person if he personally kills the president and then himself”
You know what they called people who opposed rounding up jews, gypsies, and the disabled to be disposed of but still backed the party? They were called Nazis because that's what they were.
You don't get an award for staying in a party of hate. Defect and take an actual stand instead of using this as a PR boost.
Did you expect him to announce his party switch in the same announcement? Like, he’s taken the biggest stand of any republican politician so far. Yes, that isn’t good enough yet. But when people do something that’s in the right direction and you respond with “FUCK YOU” do you think that helps convince more people to do the same?
This
Yes, it's not enough and it's fine to acknowledge that, but when people do good it's also just as important to acknowledge that as well.
We can speculate about motive but that day he did something good. That doesn't fix everything, but it's good and I like that.
Your response is exactly why this is an issue. And it is very easy to show why.
You make it sound like beginning your defection is some mountain moving effort. It is not. He could have easily said "I am no longer going to be in the party who 'Executes People in the Street'". But instead he knows exactly how to play you.
He had no issue when they started handing out the playbook on how they will destroy the country. He had no issue when ICE came to his state and started rounding up all the black and brown people. He had no issue when they started violating the rights of actual US citizens because ICE didn't give a shit who they round up. He had no issue when they shot Renee Good in the head. He had no issue when they started using children as bait. He had no issue when they executed Alex Pretti in the street.
It was only when he read the room and realized that he could not win the governorship that he finally took pause. He crafts a tweet and sprinkles in a comment about his daughter because he knew it would pull at the heart strings of naive people like yourself. He has no issue being in the party who Executes People in the Street. He just realized that losing in a landslide will destroy his career.
How hard is it to say I am no longer going to be in the party who Executes People in the Street?
It is a mountain moving effort, though. Humans are deeply social creatures. Every thing that surrounds this guy has incentivized him to believe and behave in a way that keeps him part of the tribe. It’s safe to stay in line.
We do not know that he had no issue with the terrible things that happened. But we do know that the whole of American conservatism is set up to squash those doubts as soon as they come up. To keep everyone in line or face being ostracized.
He has not done enough, yet. But there is a huge difference between telling someone “yes, good, you’re starting to get it” and “fuck you, dude, you’re irredeemable.” There is certainly a core of shitheads that is irredeemable. But most people caught up in this think they’re doing the right thing.
Obviously they’re not doing the right thing. But they want to. Imposing day one ideological purity tests does not make it easier for them to change their minds about what the right thing is.
Yes, deprogramming yourself does take a lot of effort. But what we are seeing is exactly what you'd expect from someone who isn't in that process. His response was a way of distancing himself while saving face. Its making sure he doesn't go down with the ship. There is no condemnation, just self preservation.
Everyone acts like this hasn't been in the process for the last 50 years. Like its some fly by night cabal that just showed up. We have been not only seeing this destruction coming but we've been yelling about it for years. So to get any kind of acknowledgment of change you need to show you have defected. Because time after time what we end up seeing is this exact "Oh I can't be a part of this because everyone hates it, right?" Once enough conservatives start getting angry and loud again these politicians all fall back in line. If Trump's ratings suddenly skyrocket you know this guy would be back out there running again and Trump would be promoting him to get rid of the "Evil Tim Walz". This is formulaic, sitcom writing level story line.
You say they want to change, why would you think that? The natural reactions of empathy has been lost on many of these people for decades. A normal person would see someone being executed in the streets and cry out "OMG WTF?!?!". A normal person struggles to wrap their head around such brutality. It is jarring. Now you're telling me he is some how going deprogram himself without empathy. What would be his motivation outside of losing his livelihood? Because decades of voting to make the poor even more poor, the voiceless even more silenced, and those seeking help getting kicked in the teeth why on earth would you think this guy suddenly "feels bad"? Once being a shit person comes back in style why wouldn't he just go back to his following?
I appreciate and agree with this sentiment entirely, but the people who need to hear it won't.
Lots of people crowing about the (I think it was) Chinese idea of solidarity, where the peaceful protestors shouldn't undercut or decry the violent protestors because they're all on the same side. They missed that the incredibly oversimplified concept is meant to flow both ways.
Yes, this isn't enough, but that doesn't mean this isn't also an important step in the right direction. The way this is worded definitely sounds like a party switch. If he's the horrible asshole everyone here thinks he is, it's not like it ever takes long for these folks to demonstrate it again.
...doing one good thing after a lifetime of aligning yourself with and assisting terrible people doing terrible things does not make you a good person. He just found the line he wasn't willing to cross, and that was jackboots in the street murdering random people in broad daylight. He was fine with everything up until that line.
You may not know this yet, but this guy is the attorney representing Jonathan Ross... And has made a statement that he still supports Trump...
This isn't someone who voted for Trump waking up to reality and saying they regret it. This isn't someone who sees the error in their ways and making amends.
This is a coward. It takes no courage to quit a race while still defending a murderer like Jonathan Ross.
Fuck this guy.
I think it’s good he saying something, but dropping out of the race doesn’t do anyone any good. Run as a Republican in vocal opposition or as an independent, then there will be action behind his words.
People in this thread if that happened: “Oh, he says he doesn’t like it, but he’s still running for governor as part of the republican party. He just wants his power and as part of the GOP he’ll always be compromised.”
Do you want a better world? Let people become better people instead of crushing their bones.
I mean.......at least Hitler killed Hitler.
Hey, man - don't worry about all the downvotes. I also can't figure out why people wouldn't be willing to extend an olive branch to someone who has willfully aligned themselves with the modern Nazi party until he decided that it would no longer be a winning strategy in his district. It's a complete mystery.
A sliver of one at least.
No such thing.
More like a Republican who lost faith in Trump's ability to steal his election for him.
Mike Lindell is going to win anyway
Holy fuck, he looks like shit!
Is that actually him? He looks like a creepy wax sculpture of himself.
It's totally fake, but an accurate representation of who he is inside
Back on the crack
He knows he lost his race this past weekend.
Mfer had no chance either way
Finally someone with a spine. Democrats take a hard look