Jensen Huang: Israel has become Nvidia’s second home
Nvidia has confirmed "Globes" report that it has chosen the Israel Land Authority (ILA) area in Kiryat Tivon to build its huge campus that will accommodate up to 10,000 employees.
According to the illustration published by the US chip giant, this will be a large campus inspired by the design of the company’s new iconic headquarters in Santa Clara. When built it will be surrounded by commercial areas and restaurants with investment in parks and green spaces.
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Yet another reason to never buy NVIDIA cards ever again.
They don't want to sell you anything anymore anyways. They want you to RENT computing time.
Also thier consumer sales is next to nothing compared to what they're selling to data centers now...
And all the companies they're selling to are loosing money...
They are completely decoupled from normal economic market motivations...
Yup. That really cements further that I will not buy Nvidia again.
Can't wait for AMD to follow them like the little bitches that they are... Then there's Intel... I guess they exist too...
I wish I could make a GPU at home.
You technically can, without that large of an investment. It'll be incredibly weak though, to the point it isn't useful in the modern day.
Yea I've seen it done on youtube
Either you create an incredibly weak one, or one that is strong but has gigantic power draw and latency which would be unusable anyway...
Bold of you to assume they don't already have access to all the existing NSA backdoor.
This is why all backdoors are bad.
Intel ME: helo
So now we have to assume that everyone using Nvidia hardware has an open backdoor for the Mossad. Very nice. Fucking lovely timeline.
There's no US tech without Israel.
Intel also has a large Israel presence and they have had backdoors in their hardware before, though claim it was not on purpose. Interestingly, the vulnerabilities in the AMD equivalent were reported by an Israeli company. Perhaps AMD crossed them and this was vengeance, or perhaps this was completely independent of any Mossad agenda.
Qualcomm also has a history of working with Israeli companies on R&D, as well as acquiring some of them.
And if you thought "hey, maybe Apple, the only real competitor in the CPU space after the aforementioned, has no Israeli ties beyond just selling them products like everyone else", well unfortunately Apple also has an Israel office.
Guess what, ARM itself has Israel ties so you can't TRULY escape Israeli influence.
Short of RISC-V taking off, there's no computing without Israel being involved in one way or another.
Israel is also behind some of everyone's favourite apps, such as Waze, formerly known as FreeMap Israel.
Google has two offices in Israel, Microsoft straight up provides them military surveillance solutions and has a huge R&D office... And Oracle's CEO literally vetted potential US presidential candidates for Israel.
It's not just American tech companies either. If you do want to make your own chips, you'd probably use TSMC, which has strategic ties with Israel. ASML, the company that provides TSMC with the ultra high tech EUV machines also has an Israel office, though it's not like you can make a backdoor with EUV tech... I think. But basically if you have a computing device of any sort, Israel has profited from it in some super minor way, even if it's just 0.0001%.
TL;DR: If you use any major piece of software OR hardware that's not open source, Israel's probably had their grubby fingers in it.
Thanks for putting this together.
Yes. I wouldn't focus too much on someone being able to tell which map you're playing, and which color your car has in Need For Speed. It's way more unsettling what's in networking equipment. Or inside an Intel Management Engine, and the firmware blobs of all the computer chips. Or the software running on it.
just wait until you know what your graphics card could actually do. live OCR on screen contents, face detection and training on anything ever displayed on the screen.
unless I miss something then also direct access to all system memory (when SR-IOV is disabled, or has been set up improperly), write access to onboard firmware, probably access to your drives and network too.
same applies to any pci express device you put into your machine.
Sure. I'm not entirely sure how PCIE works these days. But in it good old days we had methods to read pretty much arbitrary memory regions via PCIE or early Thunderbolt(?).
I just figured it'd be massively complicated to wait for the user to pull something on the screen, do computationally expensive OCR, some AI image detection to puzzle documents back together, and then you'd only get a fraction of what's really stored on the computer and you'd still need a way to send that information home... When you could just pick a plethora of easy options like read all the files from the harddisk and send just them somewhere. I think it's far more likely they do some easy and straightforward solution. And it'd be more effective as well.
I think that's easier to do for GPUs than CPUs, and they could do it nonstop with say a 5 fps rate.
but also now that I think of it more, the graphics card doesn't really need to do all this, the manufacturer given binary blob kernel driver has easier access to disk and network
What an endless nightmare
Demonization of China focusing more clearly every day
I remember on a Meets call with my Israeli coworkers and they had to go to the bomb shelter because of rockets.
It’s pretty obvious all of the western governments are occupied by Israel at this point.
On a more practical level, why????
It takes an enormous amount of ultra pure water to make a micro chip. There is a worsening water shortage in that area. This is the worse place to do this.
Also if you built it in the eu, you have easy access to a huge market and ready customers.
Also the Middle East is constantly immersed in war. If Iran wants to really hurt Israel just start blowing up Nvidia.
On a purely practical level, this is really stupid. So the only explanations are politics, or they are being paid to do this. As to whom engineered this I have no idea.
Edit: The more I dig into it, the more this looks like evil bond villain shit.
Lot of Zionists in the Nvidia board and staff trying to tie the worlds most valuable company to the Apartheid state. They want Israel to be a strategic asset like TSMC.
it looks like Israel is paying them to do this. So yes.
More like US American tax payer is paying them to do this indirectly
yup! I have to say that my country has been a decades long disappointment to me.
They'll eventually destroy nvidia, like they do to everything else they touch. Nvidia is just a tool to them. The US government is just a tool to them too.
Flip it and you've got it.
NVIDIA doesn’t manufacture chips at all (TSMC in Taiwan makes NVIDIA’s chips), so this facility would presumably be for R&D, marketing, devising the next scheme to screw everyone over and increase share value, yada yada.
Wait, so excuse my ignorance here, if they are made by others in Tawain, what does nvidia do? They just program them then?
NVIDIA handles hardware design and software components, TSMC handles actual silicon manufacturing, and a third party handles assembly. This is the case for nearly all hardware companies outside of Intel, Samsung, and a few domestic companies in the PRC.
And even those other companies only manufacture some of the components
Most components they need come in plastic rolls that machines pick up and place on boards, and other such methods
It's just like any other business, most stuff is bought and assembled into the final produt, but not produced locally.
You’re not far off. It’s kinda like NVIDIA is the architect who designs the house while TSMC are the guys who actually build it.
The reason for that split is that maintaining fabs (the facilities which actually produce the chips with EUV machines) is insanely expensive and requires much different staff, resources, and expertise than doing the chip design itself.
The chips are made in Taiwan (TSMC), this is likely for chip designers, (and marketers and executives and sundry other hangers on of little worth), water is irrelevant. Evil on the other hand...
I agree, it would be much better if Israel were located in some part of (former in that case) Northern Bavaria and its problematic (or not) neighbors were Germans, making them more justified bombing targets. Unfortunately in that case it'd be very likely that it wouldn't last 20 years. There'd be a combined arms operation, some additional smoke from the stoves, and probably neither the Western nor the Soviet side would care much what their pet Germans are doing.
Also for the purpose of minimizing evil locating chip design in Israel is not worse than in USA. I'm not sure whether you'll want to argue that, just adding.
Israel has some of the most advanced desalination facilities in the world
They make such great use of our tax dollars.
If this was all they were doing, I'd agree
That'd be a great way to get either Maduro'd or more likely Iraq'd unfortunately. War on nvidia is war on Trump.
Iran would only bomb it when attacked. The problem is that Israel is on a course to invade every country around them and be in permanent war forever. So building tech hubs there is like drawing a giant bullseye on the map
Those tech hubs are like body armor for Israel unfortunately. Most are American companies and the investments tend to be in the range of billions. CEOs of those companies have Trump's ear.
Politicians serve businesses and billionaires, not the other way around.
Not quite true, they have a Shia version of Trotsky's world revolution, except about final battle against evil and apocalypse.
Please expound.
Well, it is an Islamic Republic. Of Shia denomination. Shia technically believe in apocalypse and in bringing it close by battling devilish forces. Which Iranian leaders usually associate with USA and Israel.
They don't attack. They counter, with great restraint.
Naturally, they are far weaker.
Maduro was given up by venezuela's military though. That operation was not possible, and indeed would not have been attempted, if the military hadn't entered into an agreement to stand down, and given intelligence. Helicopters are vulnerable to multiple weapons systems they couldn't reliably take out, not the least in one of the most protected places in the country with the country mobilized.
There is no question, the military is now the de facto power, overseeing the now puppet civilian government in selling out their assets, an old cold war template.
'As such, they would not be able to do that in Iran. What they could do, is assassinate their leaders, including the ayatollah. They have everything compromised more than Iran thinks too, they could. Only the US likely stopped netanyahu from doing so already.
As to invasions, it has a lot of mountainous areas, and is several times larger than Iraq, which is mostly flat. We could go through and blow shit up with impunity, but an Iraq style invasion is out of the question unless our leaders lose their minds quite a bit more. Not that they wouldn't try anyway but not now they want to make war on America.
Iran's nuclear.
Idk about that.
The military wouldn't have brought helicopters low like that if they weren't. There are mobile units, shoulder fired weaponry, truck mounted, that can take down helicopters, and they were mobilized, and this was one of the most fortified areas in the country.
I am amazed at how bad everyone is at seeing what is going on, but here we are.
I'm not saying it isn't possible, I'm saying I really don't know. Like what discombobulator? Is that the source of "Havana syndrome?"
I was talking about venezuela being a military coup, an agreement with their military to give up maduro, on the cold war template, that their military is now the de facto ruler, a client state of the US, and their civilian leadership puppets.
I fully understand that and I am saying I don't know yet. Maybe it's hopium, we will see.
Israel is at the forefront of water purification tech. As long as they have energy they can make water.
Is this contributing to the dead sea drying up?
I doubt it. It would be highly inefficient to try to desalinate water that is already saltier than the ocean (which they have access to).
They aren't going to manufacture there. Chip manufacturing happens almost exclusively in Taiwan. That new building is just an office to design those chips.
A lot of maths goes into designing computer chips. You need an army of highly trained mathematicians and engineers for that.
And Israel is a really rich country that gets a lot of gifts and "investments" from people who want to show they aren't antisemitic. They invest a lot of that money into the education of their citizens.
Israel's universities are some of the best in the world. While US universities are on a steep downhill.
Maybe they can use salt water for it? If they have to desalianate it one would think that would be a dealbreaker.
Tis a good question you ask. Why indeed. Just currying favor with the group that controls the superpower I suppose, what with the child fucking tapes Israel has on the president and a critical mass of politicians in the US and UK, and businessman and other swells. And whatever other blackmail.
I can't think of any other reasons, other than currying favour with Israel.
Scumbag company considers scumbag country home...it's a perfect fit.
And again I have to say Jensen Huang is a piece of shit.
This has aged appropriately:
as if i needed another reason to avoid nvidia. unconscionable move here.
I just need to figure out what the best AMD card I can get is which isn't going to break the bank and be a sizeable bump over my 2070s then I'll have no more Nvidia products in my home.
same card, lmk what you find out
So new nvidia chip designs will include israeli rootkits, got it.
Fuck you nvidia.
OK so fuck Nvidia. got it.
Bye nvidia forever
I was just reading Apple doing all of it’s Silicon R&D over Israel as well. Wondering what Israel is promising them to get landed with lucrative business.
It's probably something illegal involving kids the way billionares have been acting...
So they won't be able to claim "designed in California" or w/e anymore?
AMD, Intel and Qualcomm all have divisions in Israel too.
Intel has a fab there but aborted their large new Israel fab after the genocide started. AMD has some footprint in Israel too.
What really sets Nvidia apart here is this massive campus and investment during the genocide.
Intel didn’t abort their new facility because of genocide, they could care less. They’re not making money right now so it’s not a good time to expand, and that’s about it.
Politics aside: it's fucking wild that that such a tiny (both geographically and population) nation with water shortages (yes I know about desal) and in prime position to get wrecked by climate change is such a popular spot for so many tech companies.
Also next time Elon or other whines about declining population, we can cite that a nation of ~10M can support so many tech companies.
Well I’ll never buy nvidia again
Neither. Even before seeing this I had decided my next GPU will be AMD, just because of how crap Nvidias driver support is on Linux.
AMD is also in Israel. As is Intel.
BOYCOTT NVIDIA
Way ahead of you on that, welcome to the club.
Lisa Su, the CEO of AMD, is related to Jensen Huang; they are first cousins once removed. Hopefully she doesn't closely follow Jensen's beliefs, I just thought it was something worth mentioning.
AMD and Intel also have presence in Israel.
There's plenty of other reasons to boycott Nvidia, but at this point you can't avoid Israel just by avoiding Nvidia.
AMD has a much smaller presence in Israel than the other two so they are the "lesser evil".
Good thing picking from the lesser of evils has never gotten us into trouble.
In any case AMD is far less invested in Israel than Nvidia so if one must buy a GPU then going AMD guarantees far less money going to Israel.
I will agree with that. Nvidia has been dead to me ever since they went all in for AI.
Hard to imagine a more disgusting headline for Nvidia. I hope they go broke.
Nvidia is terrorist supporter!!!
oh what a surprise. a corporation doing the thing all capitalists do - exploit.
Even if one doesn't care about genocide, they should still care if their own GPU is rigged to explode.
So now Nvidia will be the red one? You know, with all the blood shed by Israel...
well someone has a great eye for reading the room…
wtf - this fool out here actin as if building the sponge for all the worlds electricity wasn’t shitty enuf.
They aren't selling to the consumer directly though, they are selling primarily to governments and business. Given that Israel controls the US and many of it's businessman, this will win them favor. The regular citizens will be victims of their consumers more than anything. AI will be put to all sorts of draconian 1984 kind of uses.
will be? it already is, friend. palantir’s ice apps for one.
Great. now I can't wait to see Iran firing a rocket at that building.
Money talks.
Power corrupts.
Ya. It’s disappointing. But there are so many foundries in Israel. I’m not surprised. This is also why I don’t believe in terrorists. If anyone really wanted to stop Israel. They would target their foundries. But no one would dare mess with capitalism on that level.
The people the West labels as terrorists have been exploited and oppressed for generations. They don't have the resources to get into Israel and perform meaningful acts of sabotage. Actions like that are better coming from the citizens of Israel who still have a conscience. They could look to groups like Palestine Action, whose sustained sabotage efforts against an Israeli weapons manufacturer lead to the closure of at least one factory in Britain, and led to Barclays bank divesting from the company. Of course, now Palestine Action are labeled as terrorists for that...
Ah yes, the new world spy/control agency. I shudder to think about the murderous plans they have with AI.
Fuck you, Nvidia.
Again, whatever.
Ive been an amd fanboy since athlon blew away pentum 4s. Their bulldozer chips had a bad rep I never understood it
Well, they were slow as hell for one.
That tracks.
As someone who works with gpu deliveries and local ai.. It's impossible to dodge Israel.
If your don't want to support Israel. Your only choice is to not use AIs
I mean I'm okay with that.
I find it amusing people say they’ll boycott NVIDIA because they set up shop in Israel.
If you need discrete graphics you don’t have any choice. They all operate in Israel to some degree.
Add that to the dangers of oligopolies. They can really just do whatever they want at this point.
Intel set up shop in Israel long ago, but I’m still boycotting. At least we have AMD as an alternative.
I have bad news for you regarding AMD and Israel
Also Intel and Israel.
It is not just about setting up shop in Israel. It is about building a megacampus while Israel is doing a genocide and is massively bleeding money.
The "to some degree" is the difference. It went from Intel being the primary investor in Israel to now Nvidia. AMD also has some investments in Israel but they are marginal compared to the other two.
I garunfuckingtee the New Gaza and New Rafah Technocracies will be powered by Nvidia if Jason has his way.
Nvidia.. AMD... potatos... potatos...
I’m pretty sure Israel is the capital in what is turning into a global hunger games dystopia
Not defending Jensen or Israel, but want to point out that Israel has many good engineers - the Intel team that designed the Core/Core Duo/Core Quad and saved Intel from the Netburst (Pentium 4) architecture was from Israel.
They have smart people, but I definitely do not agree with their government's actions.
Nazi Germany had millions of smart people supporting the world domination effort.
Where does smart=decent?
Makes me think of the country subreddit I left not so long ago, where the members were so full of themselves and despite their intelligence and claims to empathy they would like to commit genocide on the lower classes.
No one mentioned smart = decent. But you can't also assume Israeli = bad. Not everyone in Israel supports its government's actions.
Imagine people elsewhere in the world assuming any random American = Nazi.
Haaretz reports that 82% of Israelis support the expulsión of Palestinians from Gaza, so yeah, fuck Israel AND Israelis.
The Nazis had good engineers too. What's the point of your comment?
The point is that's why Nvidia is setting up shop there. You know... the original story of this thread...
Anyway, one of the Nazi's downfall was they kept designing better and better tanks, and that ultimately required more resources to build. While the US just basically kept spamming them with simple design tanks that doesn't require as much to build.
This is sadly a very common misconception, mostly due to the Nazi propaganda itself. The pre-war designs where mostly retrofitted civilian machines, the best example are the first planes they build. This was due to the restrictions to rearmament. After the war begun, the meth upped shitheads mostly threw material against every problem they faced (more money = less problems = more good). The result were monstrosities that broke down regularly. Another good example for the propaganda of "ze effizint Jerman Enjeniring" is the Autobahn. There was an Autobahn before. Hitler added some small parts and made sure he and his goons are photographed doing it. Boom, Hitler build the Autobahn.
They have dumb people too, same as any other population of humans.
that's no question, NSO group and I think a few other commercial rootkit makers are also located there.
Lot of poison in these comments. You know that regular people live in Israel, right? People like you, with no control over the big decisions. Just like Palestinians can't control Hamas, Russians can't control Putin, US citizens can't control Trump, and so on.
You are crossing the line. One comment called it a scumbag country. One comment suggested they'd be happy to see Iran's missiles hit an office building if built in Israel (ostensibly with Israelies in it at the time).
I understand you have feelings about the war. Makes sense. It's horrible. But, this is beyond that. Now you're just othering Israelies while claiming they are othering Palestinians.
It makes no sense to just wish whole populations destruction. To call an entire country scumbag is just silly. No matter who is doing it.
I actually expected to find an interesting conversation about why Nvidia would make such a choice and what that would mean for the chip markets, and the war, and so on. Instead, I just found hate in it's silliest and least intellectual form.
EDIT: Please, can someone explain this to me? Honest question. Why the down votes? What is it you disagree with? Is it that you assume I have the same information as you, so I should have the same conclusions/feelings? Is it that you find my analysis incorrect? Is it that you think I am missing something?
Am I in the wrong place to ask these questions?
According to polling, Israelis overwhelmingly support the genocide. They are complicit.
I would be surprised if the polls weren't rigged.
If the polls are rigged, does that imply that most Israelis don't support the genocide? So ... you think you've got a majority of people who don't support the genocide and with that majority you plan to do ... nothing? Just gonna ... let the minority do what they want?
There's a word for that, the word is "support". You might not think you're supporting it, but if you're not doing something to fight it, then yes, you are supporting it. Get to work. Nobody ever promised that doing the right thing has to be easy.
I mean that happens all the fucking time in the U.S. and in other parts of the world. There's quite a number of things that politicians, billionaires, etc want that the average person doesn't.
Fwiw, I don't believe the polls are rigged. Just offering a counterargument to the quoted text.
I wouldn't, you don't see a massive outcry from the populace at large about it, it's only ever a few here or there. You do see plenty of their citizenry cheering it on, however, so your disbelief in the poling doesn't have much merit to it.
They are rigged by the cultural structure surrounding Israel's society.
It's not a war, that would imply there was some sort of ability for semi-organized resistance...it is quite literally pure genocide.
Indeed. Anyone who still uses the word war instead of genocide is likely one of those "regular Israelis". Zero condemnation of Israel and 100% victim complex.
I'll disagree. The Israeli leadership is doing horrible things and the only way for those of us not in Israel to attempt to stop them is to boycott all of Israel - we have no way of picking and choosing products/services from Israel that will help/hurt the regime. Moves like this by NVIDIA are seen as subverting the boycott in a very significant way and draw out the negative responses you see here. The only people that can legitimately change the Israeli leadership are the Israeli people and they are going to face negative opinions from outside until they do. I understand very well that I'm extremely lucky that I live in a country that has not been taken over by fascists and I do what I can to keep it that way.
Yet.
Don't become complacent, especially in these times.
All of the 'regular people' living in Israel should get out at their earliest convenience and stop supporting the genocide state.
Normal people lived in Nazi Germany too.
Also, there's no real opposition to what their military is doing according to Pew Research .
Vastly more Israelis care about the war expanding than they do the atrocities that are being committed in their name. Hell, they have less faith now that this will not exterminate Gaza than they did last year. Even Israelis know what's coming, the majority just don't care.
Maybe stop defending the country where 3/4 of the population thinks the current state of Gaza is ok or not going far enough.
Lots of enabling in your comment.
If people can't control their own governments, who can? Who should? Other people's governments? Is that how you think it's supposed to work? That's why Israel is obliterating Gaza? Because Gaza can't get rid of Hamas themselves so Israel is going to do it for them? Do you think that is justified and the right way to do things? Is it Canada's job to rescue the US? Is it Europe's responsibility to stop Russia?
Are Iranians responsible for the Iranian regime? Yes, they are, that's why they're fucking protesting and dying in the streets right now. Resist, fight back, don't comply, undermine your illegitimate government until they can be toppled.
Take responsibility. I am responsible for the actions of my government and my country. And so are you. You will be held responsible. And you should be. Other countries are not responsible for fixing your shit. You are. Fix it. Figure out how. Stop acting like it's somebody else's problem and you are just a humble peasant. Humble peasants can start revolutions. Lazy citizens who are happy with the status quo while pretending they don't agree with it do not start revolutions. Which one are you?
What you wrote is only partially true because people of USA and Israel have influence on their domestic&foreign policy with democracy that they enjoy.
When they say scumbag country, they’re not saying a country of scumbags. It is because the state of Israel acts like a grossly intolerable human being; the most immoral, self-centred, holier-than-thou, hubristic, arrogant, racist, hateful, lashing, mistrustful person you have ever met. Like you wouldn’t ever want to have a conversation with, let alone have to spend time with, live with, be locked in a cell with. I am of the opinion that no person is “too far gone”, but for a state, what makes a state? I think this is the comparison.
People there a genuinely fed up with what Israel-the-State did, does and means, but it's universal, unconditional backing makes any objection ignored or even presecuted, that pushes them even further in their speech when they have a place to vent about it. Most (I heartly assume) won't even think of supporting a random bombing of civilians in Israel, but IDF headquarters, Pegasus developers' office may be seen as a fair game, since it is a matter of a personal choice. And these plans of Nvidia to build a facility there aren't far from that, this company is collaborating and supporting whatever that exact state does. That puts a stain on every entity that knowingly wants to profit off that, from contractors to employees many of whom have career options elsewhere.
For Israel, inviting more and more companies on their ground brings them leverage, importance, legitimizes their landgrabs on international level and makes these facilities essentially a hostage, attack on which would be seen as extremely unacceptable. For Nvidia it's, probably, an undisclosed agreement about price rates for land, resources, maybe an untapped recruiting potential, but more importantly less regulations compared to more woke countries, as everything benefitting Israel is pretty legal and nice. As Israel army and intelligence want to be on the edge of weaponizing machine learning, it makes sense these two partner up to ensure maximal efficiency in their endeavours. It is unethical to train your AI to aim a gun at brown people, but not there, and here half of the world pays for just that kind of thing.
For the war - it means, that another mega company put it's chips on the current Israeli state, so we are further and further from any sensible resolution. It's the opposite - it would feel even more empowered to do attrocities to everyone around them. And with how the situation unfolds, it's hard to imagine this state, and even the same people who populate this place to stop being the driving force behind genocides and warcrimes for it looks if not designed to be a constant peace disruptor, an avantguard of western hard power in the ME, but happens to be just that, and succeedes at that.
They are terrorists hiding under the hospitals, the regular people in Israel.