Here's the thing though. When THEY need it, it's ok. They'll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know. They have absolutely no problem being hypocrites in any aspect of their lives.
The record of the pregnancy doesn't go away and because any reasonable obstetricians that can, leaves the state they are likely to end up with the Christian™️ ones that will report them for murder.
Very fucked if you live on an island though. Not only do you need to be rich, you need a visa.
At least the Dominican Republic will be getting a new penal code this year that allows it in cases of life-threatening complications this year. Then you can pray that the courts let your doctor do it instead.
How about both?
You don't need to deny or dismiss any other valid supporting point in order to drive your point home. Every unnecessary death is wrong. An increase in unnecessary deaths is wrong. It's terrible en masse, and each one is completely unforgivable.
Sort of unrelated but I always like to point out that the fatality rate for active duty police in the US is only around 12 per 100,000, so it's more dangerous to be pregnant than to be a cop
My wife literally had to have all three of those while we were trying to have our twins. She had a double whammy of a rogue ectopic they couldn't find on scans and an empty gestational sac in the uterus that wouldn't pass. They knew there had to be an ectopic somewhere because her hCG levels weren't tracking with what they should be with what they could see on the scans.
So the Catholic hospital we were at gave her multiple courses of methotrexate to make sure they got the ectopic. Multiple scripts for I believe it was Misoprostol to try to pass the miscarriage. But when that didn't work and she showed up to a monitoring appointment with signs of sepsis, they immediately took her in for emergency surgery to remove it.
Then when we finally got our twins we had to do a late term selective termination because the pregnancy was originally quads, one died early enough to be reabsorbed but was conjoined at the umbilical cord to her twin. That twin had a massive stroke during some crucial brain development weeks and we found out at 20 weeks that she had basically no brain and her constant seizures were actively killing the other two and might even cause her to lose the entire pregnancy.
Literally the only option to save the two healthy twins was to terminate that triplet. Abortion is literally the only reason my twins are alive today.
Sad chuds who can't argue with the need for abortion in my wife's particular case but still hate it generally? idk.
I can't tell you how many conservatives I've talked to about abortion with our particular story who just viscerally hate it as a concept because in their minds 90% of the people using it are just floozies who can't keep their legs closed. Let me tell you, the existential crisis so many of them have when I tell them that even if that were the case, there is no possible way stop just those abortions without also killing babies like my twins is crazy.
Like yeah Buddy, every second that triplet was having those seizures the risk we just lost all three of them grew. On top of that we were measurably watching the two healthy babies slip down the fetal growth charts. As in they were on one growth curve, and they dropped down to a lower curve because the seizures were stealing all the nutrients my wife's body had. There was a vary real possibility that one or both of these little barely over 20 week old fetuses just died while we waited for this surgery with them rushing absolutely everything because NY is no questions asked before 24 weeks. We finally had it as just over 22 weeks. Sure, theoretically they could have done their "morality check" in those 2 weeks. But realistically that's not going to happen. What's actually going to happen is exactly what we already see happening in places where women are dying or nearly dying of sepsis because of these bans.
My conservative grandma who votes R every time because of abortion had an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. When my mother was pregnant with me at fifteen, she offered her an abortion.
She would never acknowledge the fact that she wanted me aborted, so it’s not something I’ve heard justified. This is a family tree defined by sexual violence, so there are a lot of topics which exist in that liminal space.
Republican women live in a world that is governed by fear and control. Abortion being an option removes that aspect of fear. There is something in it that works the same way a “kink” does, that if one follows the rules and takes the hurt, everything works out in the end. Why would you take out the hurt/is it actually a feasible option to take out the hurt?
But to actually answer your question, asking her the question would just not get a response.
I've read that conservatives model the world as "strict rules that have exceptions made on a case by case basis". That maybe works if you're in a small village. Smarter people realize that doesn't scale and you should write better rules in the first place.
Oh but it does scale:
Abortions are forbidden with the following exceptions:
The carrying mother requests one.
The carrying mother is in no condition to express her will and her pregnancy puts her life in danger, in which case we can refer to consent forms she would have already filled covering such cases, doctors and her family).
The absolute raging short circuit they go into when my wife and I tell conservatives that while trying for a baby she not only had to have multiple abortions to keep an ectopic pregnancy and sepsis from a miscarriage from killing her, but that we had to terminate our twins' triplet because her constant seizures were actively killing the healthy twins and making it increasingly likely that we just lost the entire pregnancy are crazy.
I've had people try to tell me that abortions like the ones listed in the OP aren't actually abortion and abortion is only when the "sluts" terminate a baby they don't want. I've had them try to tell me that they're completely okay with situations like my wife and just want to stop the "sluts abusing it" and completely blue screening when I explain to them that the delay while they checked that my wife wasn't a "slut abusing it" would have likely killed my twins.
Or that whole "post-birth abortion" insanity. Which as I understand it came from a hypothetical about whether or not parents would be allowed to let a baby with severe deformities that couldn't live without machines die of natural causes rather than subject them to painful and invasive surgeries. Like that's a thing that's happening all the time to perfectly healthy babies because some blue haired liberal didn't want them.
No no, the compassionate approach is to force the women to bear the child, raise it in poverty and neglect if not outright constant abuse, wash out into the foster care system, grow up with no skills and fewer prospects, become homeless and then round them up and throw them in prison when they use drugs to cope with their shit lives. Just like Jesus wants, you baby murderer!
As a billionaire living my best life, I'm taking $30m from the first 200 people who don't message me 'stinkleton'. I understand that many people are struggling with bills, and I want to help increase that burden.
Trigger warning. You don’t need to read this if you’ve lost a baby.
Miscarriage care is often associated with a fetus that could not survive outside the womb, has encountered issues (from birth defects to bodily stresses), and is now being expelled. The biggest risk is bleeding out. If you’ve ever seen a hemorrhaging post partum woman it is quite dramatic. If standing, it can be a like a tap turned on and is creating a large puddle of frank blood at the woman’s feet. Supplying blood to a fetus is dangerous for a mother when the connection is severed, even in normal childbirth. Miscarriage care ensures that once the dead fetus is removed, by natural means or the abortion procedure, the bleeding stops.
It’s important to know that the D&C procedure is used for all manner of gynecological reasons, many of which don’t even involve pregnancy. Polyp removal. Biopsy. Etc. A miscarriage D&C may not even be removing the dead fetus, that may have already occurred, but the D&C is done to ensure all dead tissue bits are washed out in addition to making sure the bleeding has stopped.
Stillbirth is typically associated with a third trimester fetus/baby that can possibly survive outside the womb. Except it unexpectedly dies in utero instead. These are large bodies, not like the standard miscarriage where tissue sized between a rice grain and a baby carrot is expelled. This time, the corpse will remain, decomposing in utero, until an abortion is performed. The biggest danger here is sepsis, or full system infection causing mass organ failure, due to this corpse presence. It’s why that teen girl in Texas died when no one would help her with stillbirth removal, aka, an abortion.
It’s important to spell out stillbirth since there are still major misconceptions voiced regarding third trimester abortion stats.
A study did show before that people from either political side fundamentally don't understand each other, which leaves both sides stereotyping each other and polarisation.
Oh, here's the other time abortion is acceptable to Republican women: when they (or their daughters) fuck some guy that they shouldn't (for whatever reason) and then get pregnant.
I'll just never understand how they look at abortion as murder of a human and then commit a genocide against some brown people somewhere else. Literal demons.
That's not their view. It's just something the leaders say because it's politically convenient and the rest just parrot the line. If anything with a heartbeat was really so important to them, they'd all be vegetarian.
Doesn't affect them until it directly affects them. They won't support it until it directly affects them. Because it never affects enough of them at once, nothing ever changes.
Fermi's Paradox was staring us in the face the whole time.
This type of argument will never work though because guess what happens to an aborted fetus? They die. They. Die.
Like the discussion can't be around "making abortions illegal means women will die" because those who are behind these kinds of laws would just argue the opposite "making abortions legal means children will die" because they consider life to start earlier than others.
The whole debate is around when a life is considered a life with one side saying it's at conception and with one side saying it's after 18 weeks or so.
(I am pro abortion btw, I am just tired of people thinking they can change anyone's mind with arguments only convincing the already convinced)
From a medical perspective I find it irrelevant. Healthcare decisions around childbirth should be between a woman and her doctor, or licensed nurse practitioner midwife. And ruled over by HIPAA which is still in effect, for now..
In all the above situations, without an abortion, guess what happens to the fetus? If it's not already dead, it will die. And yes, those people will say it was God's will. (God's actually a big supporter of abortion, He kills 25% of conceived fetuses, not to mention the babies he kills after birth.) But they shouldn't get to call themselves "pro-life." They're ghouls. And the hypocrites would "get essential treatment" for themselves or their own daughter and walk out of the hospital to protest and deny the same treatment to other people's daughters.
I know logic will never change them, but supporting and increasing the numbers of people in red areas who support the right to bodily autonomy will help convince politicians who care more about political clout than any ideals.
Even in nature, the mother takes priority. Biologically the mother is a massive resource investment. She can make more kids. So if its a choice between the mother and the child, biologically, ethically, and logically the mother takes priority.
Idk why im even commenting, like you said people are either pro-choice or theyre wrong, and theres no convincing them otherwise. I just desperately wish we had some way to segregate all the people that dont want the world to improve so they couldnt interefere with a functional society.
IMO it's not about when life starts at all, it's about bodily autonomy. You can't even legally force people to give blood to save a dying person, and that's way less invasive that forcing people to carry out pregnancies.
Won't work on them unless they're actually in the process of dying.
Conservatives don't care about being warned about things. They only care when those things happen directly to them and they have to actively deal with the consequences.
Remember seeing some pristine examples of this during COVID. Conservatives in the process of dying in the hospital and then start begging for help.
The female human’s reproductive tract is somewhat loosey-goosey. There is a direct path between the outside world, through the vagina, through the cervix, through the uterus, through the fallopian tubes and into the female abdomen. Not literally, but figuratively the ovaries “float” in the abdomen, just outside of the entrance to the fallopian tubes.
While discussing this with a doctor once, I asked, “Since the ovaries are not directly connected to the fallopian tubes, when an egg erupts from an ovary, what ensures that the egg enters the fallopian tubes and heads to the uterus?”
She replied, “Not much. Occasionally the egg will stay in the abdominal cavity and implant there.”
So think about that for a second. It’s not uncommon for a human eggs to float into the female abdomen, attach and begin growing. That’s called an “ectopic pregnancy”. If you know enough women who trust you, you’ll likely know at least one who’s had surgery for an ectopic pregnancy.
So think about that for another second. If you know someone who is against abortions, be sure to ask them how they suggest solving ectopic pregnancies.
If they don’t have an answer, consider what it would be like to die from one.
Wow, you learn something every day. I had no idea sperm could leave the fallopian tube and just start spinning around in the abdominal cavity. That's scary.
A 'business' contact that is on a social media that I have to use for work, posted essentially the opposite of this, claiming that none of these are abortions, and if your provider says that they are, that you just need to find another provider. Challenge here is that none of the providers are willing to take the risk...
It’s so important to recognize that these aren't just 'debates'—they are real medical emergencies. Using the correct clinical terms helps people understand that we are talking about life-saving healthcare and the safety of patients.
Any termination of pregnanacy before the 20th week is considered an abortion btw. So if you were to miscarry it would be considered an abortion, take that as you will.
I asked my pro-life mom if she thinks women should have the right to privacy in their medical decisions or if the government should be kept in the loop and have a veto stamp.
That's the reality of banning abortions that most Republicans will hate. Banning abortions means the government needs access to your medical records and the government will make decisions on what medical procedures you can have. Not you and a doctor.
You underestimate how crazy fundamentalists are. For them, it's worth dying if it saves the fetus, because for them a fetus is a living and breathing child.
See there's a difference between them having a life saving medical treatment or their daughter having a unplanned vacation vs a minority or poor person getting abortion.
Well, hopefully it hurts more Republican women living in those states than the ones who voted against it. At this point, the best treatment is to let the disease kill off the other disease and rebuild after, even though it will cause damage, because the only way the idea will be killed off is if the supporters start dying off in larger numbers.
Living in poverty in America with children is a fate worse than death. Abortion is mercy in a dystopia run by pedofile patriarchal narcissist who wish to enslave us all
Here's the thing though. When THEY need it, it's ok. They'll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know. They have absolutely no problem being hypocrites in any aspect of their lives.
Not the poor ones. The poor ones die.
Class war, not culture war.
Not if it was diagnosed in a regressive state.
The record of the pregnancy doesn't go away and because any reasonable obstetricians that can, leaves the state they are likely to end up with the Christian™️ ones that will report them for murder.
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
"Rules for thee, not for me"
Very fucked if you live on an island though. Not only do you need to be rich, you need a visa.
At least the Dominican Republic will be getting a new penal code this year that allows it in cases of life-threatening complications this year. Then you can pray that the courts let your doctor do it instead.
US maternal mortality rate:
2016: 17 women per 100,000 births
2024: 19 women per 100,000 births
That is an 11% increase and higher than any year in the 2000-2019 timeframe.
Not the rate but the needlessness is the issue.
The rate is the factual evidence that denying women healthcare creates real harm.
A singular case of denied abortion leading to death is enough here. It is not about the statistic threat but the unnecessary death.
That may be so, but the numbers are where you point to show how deficient the US healthcare system is towards pregnancy and mothers.
You seem to be under the impression that the average American understands numbers.
That's not what the numbers show though. You need more numbers and context to do anything rigorous.
https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q1276
https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/stillbirths-in-the-u-s-higher-than-previously-reported-often-occur-with-no-clinical-risk-factors/
What I meant is that their quoted numbers alone are insufficient.
How about both? You don't need to deny or dismiss any other valid supporting point in order to drive your point home. Every unnecessary death is wrong. An increase in unnecessary deaths is wrong. It's terrible en masse, and each one is completely unforgivable.
Sort of unrelated but I always like to point out that the fatality rate for active duty police in the US is only around 12 per 100,000, so it's more dangerous to be pregnant than to be a cop
Just for a comparison, Canada's maternal mortality rate for 2023 was 12 per 100,000.
My wife literally had to have all three of those while we were trying to have our twins. She had a double whammy of a rogue ectopic they couldn't find on scans and an empty gestational sac in the uterus that wouldn't pass. They knew there had to be an ectopic somewhere because her hCG levels weren't tracking with what they should be with what they could see on the scans.
So the Catholic hospital we were at gave her multiple courses of methotrexate to make sure they got the ectopic. Multiple scripts for I believe it was Misoprostol to try to pass the miscarriage. But when that didn't work and she showed up to a monitoring appointment with signs of sepsis, they immediately took her in for emergency surgery to remove it.
Then when we finally got our twins we had to do a late term selective termination because the pregnancy was originally quads, one died early enough to be reabsorbed but was conjoined at the umbilical cord to her twin. That twin had a massive stroke during some crucial brain development weeks and we found out at 20 weeks that she had basically no brain and her constant seizures were actively killing the other two and might even cause her to lose the entire pregnancy.
Literally the only option to save the two healthy twins was to terminate that triplet. Abortion is literally the only reason my twins are alive today.
Who would downvote this
Sad chuds who can't argue with the need for abortion in my wife's particular case but still hate it generally? idk.
I can't tell you how many conservatives I've talked to about abortion with our particular story who just viscerally hate it as a concept because in their minds 90% of the people using it are just floozies who can't keep their legs closed. Let me tell you, the existential crisis so many of them have when I tell them that even if that were the case, there is no possible way stop just those abortions without also killing babies like my twins is crazy.
Like yeah Buddy, every second that triplet was having those seizures the risk we just lost all three of them grew. On top of that we were measurably watching the two healthy babies slip down the fetal growth charts. As in they were on one growth curve, and they dropped down to a lower curve because the seizures were stealing all the nutrients my wife's body had. There was a vary real possibility that one or both of these little barely over 20 week old fetuses just died while we waited for this surgery with them rushing absolutely everything because NY is no questions asked before 24 weeks. We finally had it as just over 22 weeks. Sure, theoretically they could have done their "morality check" in those 2 weeks. But realistically that's not going to happen. What's actually going to happen is exactly what we already see happening in places where women are dying or nearly dying of sepsis because of these bans.
Just posting a resource for Misoprostol in places with limited availability: https://fourthievesvinegar.org/abortion-care/
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"It's okay. They'll make an exception for me. Because I'm special."
- Republican women
My conservative grandma who votes R every time because of abortion had an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. When my mother was pregnant with me at fifteen, she offered her an abortion.
What's her reasoning that others should not have that option?
She would never acknowledge the fact that she wanted me aborted, so it’s not something I’ve heard justified. This is a family tree defined by sexual violence, so there are a lot of topics which exist in that liminal space.
Republican women live in a world that is governed by fear and control. Abortion being an option removes that aspect of fear. There is something in it that works the same way a “kink” does, that if one follows the rules and takes the hurt, everything works out in the end. Why would you take out the hurt/is it actually a feasible option to take out the hurt?
But to actually answer your question, asking her the question would just not get a response.
I've read that conservatives model the world as "strict rules that have exceptions made on a case by case basis". That maybe works if you're in a small village. Smarter people realize that doesn't scale and you should write better rules in the first place.
Oh but it does scale: Abortions are forbidden with the following exceptions:
"I thought they'd make an exception for my abortion" sobs woman who voted for the Women Dying of Pregnancy Complications Party.
Republican Women: "Good, keep your legs closed, slut." Wish I was joking.
Say the ones who:
Suffer miserably through being a trapped tradwife breeder banging out kids in an empty life of conformity.
Quietly take a trip out of state or out of country to deal with a pregnancy they kept quiet.
The absolute raging short circuit they go into when my wife and I tell conservatives that while trying for a baby she not only had to have multiple abortions to keep an ectopic pregnancy and sepsis from a miscarriage from killing her, but that we had to terminate our twins' triplet because her constant seizures were actively killing the healthy twins and making it increasingly likely that we just lost the entire pregnancy are crazy.
I've had people try to tell me that abortions like the ones listed in the OP aren't actually abortion and abortion is only when the "sluts" terminate a baby they don't want. I've had them try to tell me that they're completely okay with situations like my wife and just want to stop the "sluts abusing it" and completely blue screening when I explain to them that the delay while they checked that my wife wasn't a "slut abusing it" would have likely killed my twins.
I can't with these people man, I fucking can't.
And they believe the "sluts" will carry a baby almost to term to just have it aborted at the last moment. These people do not live in reality.
Or that whole "post-birth abortion" insanity. Which as I understand it came from a hypothetical about whether or not parents would be allowed to let a baby with severe deformities that couldn't live without machines die of natural causes rather than subject them to painful and invasive surgeries. Like that's a thing that's happening all the time to perfectly healthy babies because some blue haired liberal didn't want them.
I'll be honest, their morals and thought processes disgust me to the core.
Everyone should read Dworkin’s Right Wing Women.
Tell me you've internalized patriarchy without telling me you've internalized patriarchy.
Republican women: invokes double standard
Meme picture of kid on the ground with a boot on them but it's their own hand in the boot.
Also Republicans: Complain about low birth rates.....
They're not concerned with all birth rates equally though, they're concerned about the white ones.
And the GOP says: "OK, then you die. Sucks to be a woman."
Yeah, I mean that's just Jesus telling me to swap them out for a younger model. Blessed!
The treatment for an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.
People really dance around this issue, but we simply need to give women access to safe abortions for unwanted pregnancies.
No no, the compassionate approach is to force the women to bear the child, raise it in poverty and neglect if not outright constant abuse, wash out into the foster care system, grow up with no skills and fewer prospects, become homeless and then round them up and throw them in prison when they use drugs to cope with their shit lives. Just like Jesus wants, you baby murderer!
As a billionaire living my best life, I'm taking $30m from the first 200 people who don't message me 'stinkleton'. I understand that many people are struggling with bills, and I want to help increase that burden.
grace to you ricky 💜
The procedure for a stillbirth removal is an abortion. Often in the third trimester.
Isn't that the third point?
I think that's correct, but when I read it my mind went to when it happens much earlier, so I think it bears specifying.
Trigger warning. You don’t need to read this if you’ve lost a baby.
Miscarriage care is often associated with a fetus that could not survive outside the womb, has encountered issues (from birth defects to bodily stresses), and is now being expelled. The biggest risk is bleeding out. If you’ve ever seen a hemorrhaging post partum woman it is quite dramatic. If standing, it can be a like a tap turned on and is creating a large puddle of frank blood at the woman’s feet. Supplying blood to a fetus is dangerous for a mother when the connection is severed, even in normal childbirth. Miscarriage care ensures that once the dead fetus is removed, by natural means or the abortion procedure, the bleeding stops.
It’s important to know that the D&C procedure is used for all manner of gynecological reasons, many of which don’t even involve pregnancy. Polyp removal. Biopsy. Etc. A miscarriage D&C may not even be removing the dead fetus, that may have already occurred, but the D&C is done to ensure all dead tissue bits are washed out in addition to making sure the bleeding has stopped.
Stillbirth is typically associated with a third trimester fetus/baby that can possibly survive outside the womb. Except it unexpectedly dies in utero instead. These are large bodies, not like the standard miscarriage where tissue sized between a rice grain and a baby carrot is expelled. This time, the corpse will remain, decomposing in utero, until an abortion is performed. The biggest danger here is sepsis, or full system infection causing mass organ failure, due to this corpse presence. It’s why that teen girl in Texas died when no one would help her with stillbirth removal, aka, an abortion.
It’s important to spell out stillbirth since there are still major misconceptions voiced regarding third trimester abortion stats.
thanks for the clarification
Liberals still having trouble conceptualising that MAGA is a death cult that has no issue with policies that kill everyone.
Ugh.
A study did show before that people from either political side fundamentally don't understand each other, which leaves both sides stereotyping each other and polarisation.
Oh, here's the other time abortion is acceptable to Republican women: when they (or their daughters) fuck some guy that they shouldn't (for whatever reason) and then get pregnant.
You forgot about when their shitty husbands fuck their secretaries or some underage girl.
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Spoiler: it's when the guy isn't white
That's the idea, though.
You think these fuckfaces give a fuck about their possible future health?
That image is terrifying
Its also the most attractive picture of a maga woman
That's a lot of gender affirming care.
almost looks like something from a meatcanyon video
I'll just never understand how they look at abortion as murder of a human and then commit a genocide against some brown people somewhere else. Literal demons.
Because they see brown people as animals.
Get fucked scammer
They view the foetus as a person, but not the brown people
That's not their view. It's just something the leaders say because it's politically convenient and the rest just parrot the line. If anything with a heartbeat was really so important to them, they'd all be vegetarian.
I'd say it's entirely about power/control for them. The ones who are not in power, especially the women, are just being duped by their propaganda.
Doesn't affect them until it directly affects them. They won't support it until it directly affects them. Because it never affects enough of them at once, nothing ever changes.
Fermi's Paradox was staring us in the face the whole time.
This type of argument will never work though because guess what happens to an aborted fetus? They die. They. Die.
Like the discussion can't be around "making abortions illegal means women will die" because those who are behind these kinds of laws would just argue the opposite "making abortions legal means children will die" because they consider life to start earlier than others.
The whole debate is around when a life is considered a life with one side saying it's at conception and with one side saying it's after 18 weeks or so.
(I am pro abortion btw, I am just tired of people thinking they can change anyone's mind with arguments only convincing the already convinced)
From a medical perspective I find it irrelevant. Healthcare decisions around childbirth should be between a woman and her doctor, or licensed nurse practitioner midwife. And ruled over by HIPAA which is still in effect, for now..
HiPAA for women is to be cut, per Project 2025.
In all the above situations, without an abortion, guess what happens to the fetus? If it's not already dead, it will die. And yes, those people will say it was God's will. (God's actually a big supporter of abortion, He kills 25% of conceived fetuses, not to mention the babies he kills after birth.) But they shouldn't get to call themselves "pro-life." They're ghouls. And the hypocrites would "get essential treatment" for themselves or their own daughter and walk out of the hospital to protest and deny the same treatment to other people's daughters.
I know logic will never change them, but supporting and increasing the numbers of people in red areas who support the right to bodily autonomy will help convince politicians who care more about political clout than any ideals.
Even in nature, the mother takes priority. Biologically the mother is a massive resource investment. She can make more kids. So if its a choice between the mother and the child, biologically, ethically, and logically the mother takes priority.
Idk why im even commenting, like you said people are either pro-choice or theyre wrong, and theres no convincing them otherwise. I just desperately wish we had some way to segregate all the people that dont want the world to improve so they couldnt interefere with a functional society.
We need to wait for their daughters and granddaughters to die from this and hope that's enough to tip the scale. Americans are a barbaric people.
IMO it's not about when life starts at all, it's about bodily autonomy. You can't even legally force people to give blood to save a dying person, and that's way less invasive that forcing people to carry out pregnancies.
They think it will be just poor women who will die, so they're ok with it.
They think it's "god's will" until it happens to them.
It has nothing to do with rich vs poor women. It is ungodly women who deserve it.
Unless of course they have it happen to them. Then it is undeserved.
Won't work on them unless they're actually in the process of dying.
Conservatives don't care about being warned about things. They only care when those things happen directly to them and they have to actively deal with the consequences.
Remember seeing some pristine examples of this during COVID. Conservatives in the process of dying in the hospital and then start begging for help.
"I'd kill a thousand women!"
"... 'If it means saving one unborn child?' "
"..."
What if the unborn child is going to be a woman?
She's only saceificeable once shes past the age pedophiles are interested in her.
That's fine... Unless that unborn young woman is also pregnant.
They mean the first part. That's for sure.
Ok, so science story time. I’m not a doctor.
The female human’s reproductive tract is somewhat loosey-goosey. There is a direct path between the outside world, through the vagina, through the cervix, through the uterus, through the fallopian tubes and into the female abdomen. Not literally, but figuratively the ovaries “float” in the abdomen, just outside of the entrance to the fallopian tubes.
While discussing this with a doctor once, I asked, “Since the ovaries are not directly connected to the fallopian tubes, when an egg erupts from an ovary, what ensures that the egg enters the fallopian tubes and heads to the uterus?”
She replied, “Not much. Occasionally the egg will stay in the abdominal cavity and implant there.”
So think about that for a second. It’s not uncommon for a human eggs to float into the female abdomen, attach and begin growing. That’s called an “ectopic pregnancy”. If you know enough women who trust you, you’ll likely know at least one who’s had surgery for an ectopic pregnancy.
So think about that for another second. If you know someone who is against abortions, be sure to ask them how they suggest solving ectopic pregnancies.
If they don’t have an answer, consider what it would be like to die from one.
Wow, you learn something every day. I had no idea sperm could leave the fallopian tube and just start spinning around in the abdominal cavity. That's scary.
A 'business' contact that is on a social media that I have to use for work, posted essentially the opposite of this, claiming that none of these are abortions, and if your provider says that they are, that you just need to find another provider. Challenge here is that none of the providers are willing to take the risk...
Semantics, the true cure.
It’s so important to recognize that these aren't just 'debates'—they are real medical emergencies. Using the correct clinical terms helps people understand that we are talking about life-saving healthcare and the safety of patients.
but if you die you see Jesus sooner: checkmate libtard!
Any termination of pregnanacy before the 20th week is considered an abortion btw. So if you were to miscarry it would be considered an abortion, take that as you will.
I asked my pro-life mom if she thinks women should have the right to privacy in their medical decisions or if the government should be kept in the loop and have a veto stamp.
That's the reality of banning abortions that most Republicans will hate. Banning abortions means the government needs access to your medical records and the government will make decisions on what medical procedures you can have. Not you and a doctor.
It's already an insurance board making those decisions, why not let the government in? They might make it better (not in this case though...)
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You underestimate how crazy fundamentalists are. For them, it's worth dying if it saves the fetus, because for them a fetus is a living and breathing child.
See there's a difference between them having a life saving medical treatment or their daughter having a unplanned vacation vs a minority or poor person getting abortion.
Well, hopefully it hurts more Republican women living in those states than the ones who voted against it. At this point, the best treatment is to let the disease kill off the other disease and rebuild after, even though it will cause damage, because the only way the idea will be killed off is if the supporters start dying off in larger numbers.
They just don't care. They are busy getting worked up about the latest Fox News boogeyman of the week.
I doubt they will get riled up over this, but what might get them riled up will be their inability to vote in the upcoming midterms.
Republicans: And…?
That's god's plan, get rid of you
Living in poverty in America with children is a fate worse than death. Abortion is mercy in a dystopia run by pedofile patriarchal narcissist who wish to enslave us all
Unfortunately they will don't care.
Great "Dear republican women" meme, reaching many here in the fediverse? Or are we indulging in purely performative righteousness?
Oh thank God Twitter was there to tell me what to think.
We finally solved it boys.
It was tumblr but your snark is noted.
Next!
Tumblr discourse is just Mario Kart but with opinions instead of shells. Anyway— NEXT!
Also incorrect.
Wagering is now open for the next insight.