People do understand what the midterms are, right?
...Right?
Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump's enablers in congress.
I would also add that the presidents party almost always loses votes in the midterms. This is particularly true for republicans since 2016 because a lot of trumpโs supporters only care about him and wonโt bother to fill out a ballot without him on it.
Sorry to remind you that Republicans historically do better in the midterms because more of their voters show up regardless. That's one of the things the racist old fucks love to do with their copious amount of free time. Watch Fox News and head on down to the voting booths.
For many, it's likely the only thing they have to look forward to now that many of their families have abandoned them over this shit.
Historically, yes. But that general idea has really been flipped over the last decade. 2018 midterm flipped the house D. 2022 gave Republicans control of the house, but not nearly as badly as expected and even gave an extra D seat in the Senate. There have been countless special elections (same idea, usually even harder than a midterm for Democrats) where they pulled through, giving Georgia and even (briefly) Alabama Democratic senators.
So, I'll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I've been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.
Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I'm not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)
Since this is ongoing and I've been kind of surprised at how it's gone, here's what I think has worked well...
Keep things friendly. I know that's hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you'll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position
Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)
Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.
Pace yourself. I'd go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn't get distracted from our lives too much
Listen. I can't think of anything where I've really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns ("I hear what you're saying about the influx of migrants. I'm not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they're basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn't sit well with me" or "I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They're TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it"). Sometimes I've circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don't like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)
Both. Any time radicals get their own safe space, they use it to create an echo chamber. You need open dialogue and town square areas on the internet that have a good mix of people and quality, politically impartial moderation.
Just get more people voting. Study after study on US politics proves that if voting percentages were higher, the GOP would probably never be back in power.
There's a reason they focus so much on removing voters from the rolls, removing voting locations, making it illegal to provide water to those waiting in line (because they only have a handful of locations after removing them all) and making it just generally harder to vote across the board.
When talking to right-wingers, convince them both parties are the same and encourage 3rd-party voting
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
When you talk to right wingers, don't say "trump is a fascist", you need to water it down.
Talk about the issues that hurt them. Inflasion. Cost of living.
Don't bother trying to convince them to vote blue, it's gonna "trigger" their brainwashed programming and they will just ignore you. Focus on convincing that "Republicans are just as bad as Democrats!ยน Lets vote 3rd party!"
ยนCuz they view Democrats as "evil"... so you need to "code-switch" when trying to Psyop against them.
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
I think the greatest encouragement to vote in primaries would be if the party were to provide some assurance that they're willing to run primaries without tilting the scales in favor of the people that the establishment likes and no one else does.
Or indeed, run primaries at all. People to the left are shut out of the party at every turn, and then told "You'll be voting for a pro-genocide ghoul because we decided for you. If you don't like the candidate we ordered you to like, it's your fault for not voting in the primaries we didn't have."
That message may be satisfying to centrists, but it alienates the left. It's a losing message and the party can no longer afford to keep sending it.
Inflation always goes up. Both parties are just 2 sides if the same coin. But they other things u mentioned are a bit misleading cos inflation under trump is way better than biden. And cost of living was mostly a bidden problem.
Inflation
As u can see the big bump is bidden the rest is trump.
I vagly remember everyone saying trump was failing cos egg prices kept going up.
Looks like trunk kept his promise.
And we can get a feel for cost of living CPI (consumer price index) CPI
Its continuously going up but at a far slower rate under trump compared to biden.
Are u saying that u should lie to trump/Vance voters or are you simply unaware of the actual data?
I have to wonder how many quiet trump voters there are and why they voted the way they did. Trump got 49.8% of the pop vote but it does not seem like 49.8% of Americans are MAGA flag-wavers. The die-hards are zealots, so basically unreachable. But there have to have been a large number who really thought of the Trump/Harris vote as selecting 'the lesser of two evils.' If there had been a real alternative, not even a particular affirmative position but some kind of 'none of the above, find new candidates' option, I have to wonder what the results could have looked like.
That's a the ideal candidate you want winning but whose going to finance that platform? I can't see that winning the next election against the weslth and influence of the 1%. And since the US is locked into a 2 party system, you only get 1 chance to beat the Republicans, so the Democrats need to be realistic and represent all voters of today, not the idealised future.
Brainstorming here but you have to factor in that right wing media exists to manipulate these people. To specifically fix it, a major part is reverse engineering right wing media and crashing it.
A) prevent chuck schumer from continuing to be in office. Fascist media needs a villain, wrestling needs a heel. remove the low hanging fruit and they start infighting because how could the new guy be responsible for old problems? The "deep state" mythology exists to explain why republican policies (tax cuts) don't produce results (prosperity).
B) make the new conservative fad to be off social media - camping or whatever it doesnt matter. Get them away from the echo chamber for five minutes and see if boredom without internet causes their brain cells to start working again. At the very least this would reduce the profitability of the media by reducing view counts.
C) People in tennessee are so pilled they thought they could vote against mamdani in the New York Mayoral election. Guerrilla education would be a funny way to combat the stupidity of MAGA. Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Edit: I should say it would be easier to win an election with somebody in office like Mamdani who has both charisma and good values. But since the question is specifically getting trumpers to not vote, the answers are what they are.
Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Tech bros pulling Stephen Miller's puppet strings want greenland's minerals.
Also just a side note, Greenland is roughly 3 times the size of texas. It's not exactly "small", even if mercator maps do make it look significantly larger than it is. (comparably to africa, lol.)
They could also fund mines there without attempting to turn it into a US territory. Imo if this was just about mines they would already have done it.
My guess would be the tech bros also want to use it as some kind of utopian bioshock style project, which is the only remotely plausible explanation for pushing it so hard.
He didn't fully capitulate but he went from "We need complete ownership and will use force to get it" to "we'll tarriff eu countries who don't give it to us" to "there will be no tariffs and we have the concepts of an agreement which is pretty much the same agreement we've always had".
it wont undo the damage what trump has done, and what the DNC ENABLED him to do. 8 Ds were chosen as sacrificial lambs by schumers since they arnt up for rele-election this year, to shield the other 13 dems that are.
If they choose to still vote for more of this madness and the obvious damage to themself economically and socially, they're clearly in denial and there's little you or I can do to change their mind.
It is tough to convince die-hard voters. Your best bet would be to convince the doubters. So make sure YOU vote, make sure as many people as possible make use of THEIR right to vote. Campaign door-to-door or donate money to your party: 1000$, or 100$ or 10$. If you donโt have cash, donate your time.
the repugnicans have spent years gerrymandering and changing voter access, voting locations and other tactics to void peoples rights. You guys will be lucky if your vote counts at all. I fear the โformalโ part of the election is about 10% of the work. The rest is using Peter Theills surveillance system ( from Palantir ) to ensure only trump votes get counted. So the game is massively stacked against you.
Courts and judges arenโt enough, but they are important. So when the midterms and 2028 elections do come up, make sure youโve looked at all the candidates on your ballot, not just congressional and presidential candidates. The more progressives we can vote for and get into office, the more of a chance that theyโll actually be able to get things done (note: vote progressives not just dems whenever possible. Dems donโt do shit unless there are progressives to make them, usually)
This is wrong take. You need to get the idiots that didint vote against him to vote. The ppl that thinks dems are lesser evil and third party is worthless. The 20 mil that voted for biden in 2020 but wouldnt for harris in 2024.
Lord knows I tried but these ppl rather wait for the progressive messiah than vote for anything less.
I feel that Trump and the Republicans all know that the upcoming midterms are going to be a bloodbath for them and they are going to do absolutely everything that they can to either stop the midterms from happening or use every tactic they can to ensure that they hold onto power one way or another. That isnโt really an answer to your question, but it is a strong feeling that Iโve been having for the last few months.
The more I look into trump the more I see someone with no introspection, incredibly low emotional intelligence and an extreme need for attention and acceptance. He is being profoundly primal in his goals but he goes to extreme lengths to preserve a way to them. This is why I completely agree with you. His goal is incredibly primitive: to keep being the center of attention. He knows he can't keep all his avenues open because he is losing "loyalty" and supporters; in government but also in his voting populus. His goal will never be to specifically kill Americans but he sure as hell doesn't mind risking their lives for other goals, and he will grip and claw to preserve as much power in government as he can, using basically every tactic under the sun.
At least that's what I expect from him and that perfectly lines up with your overall feeling. It fucking sucks to see what we're in for, but sometimes it's nice to see how predictable he can be and sometimes knowing what will happen is better than absolute chaos, even when what will happen is generally bad.
100% agreed! Itโs still a long way until the midterms a lot can happen for the good and for the bad I try to be more optimistic, but that gets harder every day. If the midterms were this week, it would absolutely be a total wipeout for Trump and the Republicans, but November is still a long way away for them to play their games and to get even more wild and crazy. Another concern with the voters is you do hear that a lot of Trump voters are finally opening their eyes and realizing how bad and terrible of a person he is, but I do feel that most of these people who feel this way will inevitably get in line and vote for him regardless.
Well, 2026 is easy because neither of them will be on that ballot. That's why midterms are tough for incumbents, because there's less motivation for their party to turn out, but the aggrieved opposition are highly motivated to turn out as a referendum on the current administration.
2028, who knows man. Anything can happen between now and then. I feel like if someone voted for Trump in 2020 or 2024 then they are terminally stupid.
You'll never convince diehard MAGA true believers. But it's worth recognizing that that's not all Trump voters, it's not even the majority of them. Swing voters can always swing back the other way.
You can really only talk to those who are on the fence and willing to listen. If they're not willing to listen, don't waste your breath.
For those who are willing to listen, start with why they voted for Trump to begin. Many voters in this country were struggling to make ends meet and didn't feel like the Biden administration was doing enough for them, so they were desperate for change. Trump preyed on that desperation, told them that it's all immigrants' fault, it's trans people's fault, it's woke's fault, it's whatever scapegoat he blames next's fault, so if you vote for him he'll own the libs to Make America Great Again. A lot of people voted for him because they felt unheard by establishment politicians and were desperate enough to believe a con man who sounded like the only person in the room actually speaking to their fears.
If they are willing to have the conversation, get to the root of those fears. Ask if Trump has actually made their lives better. Attempt to deprogram anything directed to the scapegoats he blames it on. Try to pivot to Democratic policies that actually can help in tangible ways.
But again, I cannot stress this enough, this can only get through to people who are open to listening in the first place. If you try to preach at people who are not, they will dig their heels in deeper. Pick your battles carefully, figure out who is worth talking to.
You can't reason with Catholic and Jesuit followers, unfortunately. We need to oust any form of Catholicism from the world, but that would defeat the whole purpose of what's happening right now.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Leo specifically endorsed a Democratic candidate, especially if Trump runs for a third term (assuming he even survives until late 2028). Remember, he's from Chicago and he's allegedly to the left of Francis, who had some choice words for American fascists.
I'm not sure it's worth putting a ton of energy into trying to convince Trump voters. Many of them only come to their senses once they are personally affected by his policies.
There needs to be focus on turning out the majority of Americans who dislike Trump. That has to be done with exciting candidates who focus on our systemic problems and actually want to change things. There's no amount of window dressing and virtue signaling you can hang on corporatists to make people enthusiastic. They must want to vote for the candidate, not just find them more tolerable.
Unfortunately with the Republicans passing the SAVE act right before the mid terms, lots of trans folk and women will find out at the ballots they cannot vote because their name doesn't match their birth certificate so a lot of anti trump population might not get to vote!
Could yell amsome insane shit about hin eating dogs and cats. I mean it worked once?
It's staggeringly impressive that alone didn't tank his entire presidential hopes. Among the 1,000 other offenses to any sensible human.
And if that was staggeringly impressive, even moreso is that was for his SECOND TERM
The world is waiting for America to become a serious nation again. But we're actually not waiting because we know that ship has sailed. You guys let J6 slide by ffs...
Good luck convincing a single spineless American to do the right thing.
They are traitors who will do anything, up to and including electing a felon rapist insurrectionist who regularly violates the Constitution and sends a masked unaccountable secret police force to harass and murder Americans, in order to get what they want.
That's not confusion. That's malicious intent.
If you want to know how to make traitors stop being traitors. If you want to know how to make fascists stop being fascists. Well, I'm not totally sure I wouldn't get banned for the answer. I definitely would on Reddit.
Those of us who passed our history classes have been trying for a decade to get people to help vote us in the opposite direction of this. That didn't work. Now it's happening and there's no easy way out of this.
Buy a gun. Or two. Train. Help others buy and train. Many people just need that little push from someone that knows more about the process than them. It's a whole hell of a lot more difficult to oppress people who are armed to the teeth. Just watched a video of armed protestors in Philadelphia. The cops show up, try to get them to stand down. They don't. The cops end up leaving. There's your proof.
Hold conservatives in your life accountable however you see fit. If that means cutting them off, that means cutting them off.
Fight misinformation wherever you see it by correcting it with facts. Even if it seems pointless. You aren't commenting for the benefit of the piece of shit you're trying to correct. You're commenting for the other people that end up reading it and learning from it.
Read the CIA's "Simple Sabotage" handbook, which is available online. Do anything in it that you can reasonably do, ESPECIALLY if you work for the federal government.
Support and protect your neighbors, assuming they aren't conservatives. Do not aid or abet any conservative in any way, shape, or form. Do your due diligence and make sure any business you're spending your money with doesn't have conservative ties. Google the owner's name and check their social media. Make sure they aren't conservative.
Vote. Every. Single. Time. In every election, no matter how small.
Ask them to look at their credit card bills or grocery receipts from January 2024 and January 2026. Just compare. If theyโre better off, super, vote however you want. If literally everything in their life is apples to apples more expensive in 2 yearsโ time, like double, let the numbers do the explaining.
Tell them they should go and vote in Greenland to make its annexation official, because if they mail in their ballot it will be stolen. And Greenland is the only option to have a third Trump presidency.
Trump is unable to run for 2028, but there are some peeps attempting to make a third term possible. He can't run again, so Vance would apparently be selected (all elections are selections anyway if you look at how the scripts are played out).
However, to flip the script on it, a quiet insurrection would have to happen to ensure this doesn't play out the way it's supposed to run. The constitution in America allows for the deposing of a government if it goes against the people, and we're past due for that.
That is true, Trump is ineligible to run in 2028. Also, at this point, what would the people do about the current Trump administration, and don't answer in a way that would get people in trouble with the FBI
Well, as I said before, we're already derelict in our duty to the Constitution, as all we need to do is lawfully depose the current government structure, and rebuild it exactly as the Constitution describes, only without Roman Catholicism, which is the system that actually governed this current iteration of constitutional interpretation.
It's not an amendment, from what I understand of it. It's a section in the Constitution that allows for the people to overthrow a government when it becomes too corrupt. I don't know which section that's in.
Perhaps speak out against the violence taking place at the hands of the radical left. Stop supporting trans ideology. Stop supporting DEI policies that systematically disadvantage them. Stop supporting rampant immigration. Stop trying to take gun rights and free speech away. Stop supporting people who are using violence and illegal action against a department that is doing its legally mandated duty at behest of the people via democracy (ice).
Ohh and also perhaps try treating them like people not as pawns for your own political ends.
Good luck but I think you will find that these people don't want to vote for trump or Vance they want to vote for someone more extreme. They didn't choose this they where pushed here.
I frequent both the communities of all political circles as to avoid the indoctrination of one in particular. I simply preach hype rationalism on them all
People do understand what the midterms are, right?
...Right?
Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump's enablers in congress.
I would also add that the presidents party almost always loses votes in the midterms. This is particularly true for republicans since 2016 because a lot of trumpโs supporters only care about him and wonโt bother to fill out a ballot without him on it.
Iโll sniff this copium until the midterms
Sorry to remind you that Republicans historically do better in the midterms because more of their voters show up regardless. That's one of the things the racist old fucks love to do with their copious amount of free time. Watch Fox News and head on down to the voting booths.
For many, it's likely the only thing they have to look forward to now that many of their families have abandoned them over this shit.
they also have gerrymandering benefiting them, plus thier districts dont face anymore form of voter suppression at all.
Historically, yes. But that general idea has really been flipped over the last decade. 2018 midterm flipped the house D. 2022 gave Republicans control of the house, but not nearly as badly as expected and even gave an extra D seat in the Senate. There have been countless special elections (same idea, usually even harder than a midterm for Democrats) where they pulled through, giving Georgia and even (briefly) Alabama Democratic senators.
So, I'll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I've been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.
Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I'm not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)
Since this is ongoing and I've been kind of surprised at how it's gone, here's what I think has worked well...
Keep things friendly. I know that's hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you'll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position
Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)
Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.
Pace yourself. I'd go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn't get distracted from our lives too much
Listen. I can't think of anything where I've really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns ("I hear what you're saying about the influx of migrants. I'm not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they're basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn't sit well with me" or "I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They're TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it"). Sometimes I've circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don't like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)
Are you saying deplatforming doesn't work & open discourse matters? Someone's got to break it to the purists here.
Both. Any time radicals get their own safe space, they use it to create an echo chamber. You need open dialogue and town square areas on the internet that have a good mix of people and quality, politically impartial moderation.
Unfortunately nonexistent on this community. (3ร๐)
I only said it is necessary - not whether it was present.
This is really helpful and well-explained!
You canโt. So spend your time doing more worthwhile things like landing the undecided vote.
I think the undecided might be dumber than the Trump supporters at this point.
Theyโre a close 2nd.
Yes, the only thing worse than not being sure if you want to vote for the fascist is being sure you want to vote for the fascist.
Agreed
The husband of a friend of mine voted Trump both times. He's recently joined the protests. But he will still vote R.
Another friend votes Trump "because the family has always voted R." And she's a frigging STEM professor.
Sooooo... you somehow need better Republicans.
Just get more people voting. Study after study on US politics proves that if voting percentages were higher, the GOP would probably never be back in power.
There's a reason they focus so much on removing voters from the rolls, removing voting locations, making it illegal to provide water to those waiting in line (because they only have a handful of locations after removing them all) and making it just generally harder to vote across the board.
You need an argument more compelling than "he fucks children". Good luck.
When talking to right-wingers, convince them both parties are the same and encourage 3rd-party voting
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
When you talk to right wingers, don't say "trump is a fascist", you need to water it down.
Talk about the issues that hurt them. Inflasion. Cost of living.
Don't bother trying to convince them to vote blue, it's gonna "trigger" their brainwashed programming and they will just ignore you. Focus on convincing that "Republicans are just as bad as Democrats!ยน Lets vote 3rd party!"
ยนCuz they view Democrats as "evil"... so you need to "code-switch" when trying to Psyop against them.
I think the greatest encouragement to vote in primaries would be if the party were to provide some assurance that they're willing to run primaries without tilting the scales in favor of the people that the establishment likes and no one else does.
Or indeed, run primaries at all. People to the left are shut out of the party at every turn, and then told "You'll be voting for a pro-genocide ghoul because we decided for you. If you don't like the candidate we ordered you to like, it's your fault for not voting in the primaries we didn't have."
That message may be satisfying to centrists, but it alienates the left. It's a losing message and the party can no longer afford to keep sending it.
Inflation always goes up. Both parties are just 2 sides if the same coin. But they other things u mentioned are a bit misleading cos inflation under trump is way better than biden. And cost of living was mostly a bidden problem.
Inflation As u can see the big bump is bidden the rest is trump.
I vagly remember everyone saying trump was failing cos egg prices kept going up. Looks like trunk kept his promise.
And we can get a feel for cost of living CPI (consumer price index) CPI Its continuously going up but at a far slower rate under trump compared to biden.
Are u saying that u should lie to trump/Vance voters or are you simply unaware of the actual data?
They're not going to vote for an alternative unless they're convinced Trump is bad for them.
I have to wonder how many quiet trump voters there are and why they voted the way they did. Trump got 49.8% of the pop vote but it does not seem like 49.8% of Americans are MAGA flag-wavers. The die-hards are zealots, so basically unreachable. But there have to have been a large number who really thought of the Trump/Harris vote as selecting 'the lesser of two evils.' If there had been a real alternative, not even a particular affirmative position but some kind of 'none of the above, find new candidates' option, I have to wonder what the results could have looked like.
Maybe a third party, perhaps?
The Democrats need to be real and nominate people who Republicans might actually consider.
This sort of nonsense is why we have Democrats in Congress right now suggesting increasing the ICE budget.
What we need to radical American populism. Freedom liberty and justice for all. A candidate who stands against the wealthy class in favor of the 99%
That's a the ideal candidate you want winning but whose going to finance that platform? I can't see that winning the next election against the weslth and influence of the 1%. And since the US is locked into a 2 party system, you only get 1 chance to beat the Republicans, so the Democrats need to be realistic and represent all voters of today, not the idealised future.
Quick. Find a pedophile.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Brainstorming here but you have to factor in that right wing media exists to manipulate these people. To specifically fix it, a major part is reverse engineering right wing media and crashing it.
A) prevent chuck schumer from continuing to be in office. Fascist media needs a villain, wrestling needs a heel. remove the low hanging fruit and they start infighting because how could the new guy be responsible for old problems? The "deep state" mythology exists to explain why republican policies (tax cuts) don't produce results (prosperity).
B) make the new conservative fad to be off social media - camping or whatever it doesnt matter. Get them away from the echo chamber for five minutes and see if boredom without internet causes their brain cells to start working again. At the very least this would reduce the profitability of the media by reducing view counts.
C) People in tennessee are so pilled they thought they could vote against mamdani in the New York Mayoral election. Guerrilla education would be a funny way to combat the stupidity of MAGA. Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Edit: I should say it would be easier to win an election with somebody in office like Mamdani who has both charisma and good values. But since the question is specifically getting trumpers to not vote, the answers are what they are.
Tech bros pulling Stephen Miller's puppet strings want greenland's minerals.
Also just a side note, Greenland is roughly 3 times the size of texas. It's not exactly "small", even if mercator maps do make it look significantly larger than it is. (comparably to africa, lol.)
They could also fund mines there without attempting to turn it into a US territory. Imo if this was just about mines they would already have done it.
My guess would be the tech bros also want to use it as some kind of utopian bioshock style project, which is the only remotely plausible explanation for pushing it so hard.
You don't. They're beyond help.
If Trump starts costing the oligarchy money, they will discontinue support for republicans.
About 12 hours ago there was an article about eu tariffs on oligarchs. About 6 hours ago Trump chickened out of the Greenland thing.
Not saying there's a direct line between these two events, but its the people making billions off Trump who are keeping him in power.
Wait really?
TACO
What?
TACO means Trump Always Chickens Out.
He didn't fully capitulate but he went from "We need complete ownership and will use force to get it" to "we'll tarriff eu countries who don't give it to us" to "there will be no tariffs and we have the concepts of an agreement which is pretty much the same agreement we've always had".
it wont undo the damage what trump has done, and what the DNC ENABLED him to do. 8 Ds were chosen as sacrificial lambs by schumers since they arnt up for rele-election this year, to shield the other 13 dems that are.
So that's why we need a good-enough third party?
yes, if they arnt getting astroturfed by both parties, they often collude together to prevent any change within the partys.
Assholes & idiots are gonna asshole & idiot, but this time around, I reckon some of them will fall off the wagon. We'll see...
If they choose to still vote for more of this madness and the obvious damage to themself economically and socially, they're clearly in denial and there's little you or I can do to change their mind.
Convince them to stay home because the election is a foregone conclusion
It is tough to convince die-hard voters. Your best bet would be to convince the doubters. So make sure YOU vote, make sure as many people as possible make use of THEIR right to vote. Campaign door-to-door or donate money to your party: 1000$, or 100$ or 10$. If you donโt have cash, donate your time.
the repugnicans have spent years gerrymandering and changing voter access, voting locations and other tactics to void peoples rights. You guys will be lucky if your vote counts at all. I fear the โformalโ part of the election is about 10% of the work. The rest is using Peter Theills surveillance system ( from Palantir ) to ensure only trump votes get counted. So the game is massively stacked against you.
So how are we gonna stop the Republicans from doing all that?
its already been done. Youโll need to find another way and courts and judges ain't it
Courts and judges arenโt enough, but they are important. So when the midterms and 2028 elections do come up, make sure youโve looked at all the candidates on your ballot, not just congressional and presidential candidates. The more progressives we can vote for and get into office, the more of a chance that theyโll actually be able to get things done (note: vote progressives not just dems whenever possible. Dems donโt do shit unless there are progressives to make them, usually)
This is wrong take. You need to get the idiots that didint vote against him to vote. The ppl that thinks dems are lesser evil and third party is worthless. The 20 mil that voted for biden in 2020 but wouldnt for harris in 2024.
Lord knows I tried but these ppl rather wait for the progressive messiah than vote for anything less.
Cute. You think they are going to hold midterms.
I feel that Trump and the Republicans all know that the upcoming midterms are going to be a bloodbath for them and they are going to do absolutely everything that they can to either stop the midterms from happening or use every tactic they can to ensure that they hold onto power one way or another. That isnโt really an answer to your question, but it is a strong feeling that Iโve been having for the last few months.
The more I look into trump the more I see someone with no introspection, incredibly low emotional intelligence and an extreme need for attention and acceptance. He is being profoundly primal in his goals but he goes to extreme lengths to preserve a way to them. This is why I completely agree with you. His goal is incredibly primitive: to keep being the center of attention. He knows he can't keep all his avenues open because he is losing "loyalty" and supporters; in government but also in his voting populus. His goal will never be to specifically kill Americans but he sure as hell doesn't mind risking their lives for other goals, and he will grip and claw to preserve as much power in government as he can, using basically every tactic under the sun.
At least that's what I expect from him and that perfectly lines up with your overall feeling. It fucking sucks to see what we're in for, but sometimes it's nice to see how predictable he can be and sometimes knowing what will happen is better than absolute chaos, even when what will happen is generally bad.
100% agreed! Itโs still a long way until the midterms a lot can happen for the good and for the bad I try to be more optimistic, but that gets harder every day. If the midterms were this week, it would absolutely be a total wipeout for Trump and the Republicans, but November is still a long way away for them to play their games and to get even more wild and crazy. Another concern with the voters is you do hear that a lot of Trump voters are finally opening their eyes and realizing how bad and terrible of a person he is, but I do feel that most of these people who feel this way will inevitably get in line and vote for him regardless.
I hope you're right.
A gun.
Its the midterms. They're not on the ballot.
Oh I see the joke. Continue.
That's not what you should be trying to do.
if you can convince democrats to vote, they will win because there are more of them.
Well, 2026 is easy because neither of them will be on that ballot. That's why midterms are tough for incumbents, because there's less motivation for their party to turn out, but the aggrieved opposition are highly motivated to turn out as a referendum on the current administration.
2028, who knows
man. Anything can happen between now and then. I feel like if someone voted for Trump in 2020 or 2024 then they are terminally stupid.I'm actually non-binary, and I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms. Seriously!
Sometimes "man" is more of an exclamation than a term of address.
I've noticed kids are seemingly using "bruh" this way, funnily enough
Then you need to edit the [any, any] thing. How were they to know?
Begging your pardon for that, sorry.
You'll never convince diehard MAGA true believers. But it's worth recognizing that that's not all Trump voters, it's not even the majority of them. Swing voters can always swing back the other way.
You can really only talk to those who are on the fence and willing to listen. If they're not willing to listen, don't waste your breath.
For those who are willing to listen, start with why they voted for Trump to begin. Many voters in this country were struggling to make ends meet and didn't feel like the Biden administration was doing enough for them, so they were desperate for change. Trump preyed on that desperation, told them that it's all immigrants' fault, it's trans people's fault, it's woke's fault, it's whatever scapegoat he blames next's fault, so if you vote for him he'll own the libs to Make America Great Again. A lot of people voted for him because they felt unheard by establishment politicians and were desperate enough to believe a con man who sounded like the only person in the room actually speaking to their fears.
If they are willing to have the conversation, get to the root of those fears. Ask if Trump has actually made their lives better. Attempt to deprogram anything directed to the scapegoats he blames it on. Try to pivot to Democratic policies that actually can help in tangible ways.
But again, I cannot stress this enough, this can only get through to people who are open to listening in the first place. If you try to preach at people who are not, they will dig their heels in deeper. Pick your battles carefully, figure out who is worth talking to.
You canโt argue with cultists.
You can't reason with Catholic and Jesuit followers, unfortunately. We need to oust any form of Catholicism from the world, but that would defeat the whole purpose of what's happening right now.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Leo specifically endorsed a Democratic candidate, especially if Trump runs for a third term (assuming he even survives until late 2028). Remember, he's from Chicago and he's allegedly to the left of Francis, who had some choice words for American fascists.
Francis was a Jesuit, whereas Prevost is from a different order, which I think is under the Jesuits.
I'm not sure it's worth putting a ton of energy into trying to convince Trump voters. Many of them only come to their senses once they are personally affected by his policies.
There needs to be focus on turning out the majority of Americans who dislike Trump. That has to be done with exciting candidates who focus on our systemic problems and actually want to change things. There's no amount of window dressing and virtue signaling you can hang on corporatists to make people enthusiastic. They must want to vote for the candidate, not just find them more tolerable.
As Mamdami showed, all you need is to give people something to vote for rather than someone to vote against.
Unfortunately with the Republicans passing the SAVE act right before the mid terms, lots of trans folk and women will find out at the ballots they cannot vote because their name doesn't match their birth certificate so a lot of anti trump population might not get to vote!
That's fucked up.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Prepare for a continued (fraudulent) red wave. Arm yourselves.
Far too many people think the midterms are a panacea, they aren't. Please please take steps to organize and protect yourselves and your community.
Mr. Alec Sadler pls create the time travel device send the Liber8 members to save us
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Funny because I don't think we're making it to 2070+
Take part in your community and talk with people. You'd be surprised how much everyone agrees with each other on topics like healthcare.
Candidates need to promise to improve the economy. That is how Trump got the votes to push him over in 2024.
Could yell amsome insane shit about hin eating dogs and cats. I mean it worked once?
It's staggeringly impressive that alone didn't tank his entire presidential hopes. Among the 1,000 other offenses to any sensible human.
And if that was staggeringly impressive, even moreso is that was for his SECOND TERM
The world is waiting for America to become a serious nation again. But we're actually not waiting because we know that ship has sailed. You guys let J6 slide by ffs...
Good luck convincing a single spineless American to do the right thing.
It's been over a decade.
These aren't confused people anymore.
They. Are. Traitors.
They are traitors who will do anything, up to and including electing a felon rapist insurrectionist who regularly violates the Constitution and sends a masked unaccountable secret police force to harass and murder Americans, in order to get what they want.
That's not confusion. That's malicious intent.
If you want to know how to make traitors stop being traitors. If you want to know how to make fascists stop being fascists. Well, I'm not totally sure I wouldn't get banned for the answer. I definitely would on Reddit.
Those of us who passed our history classes have been trying for a decade to get people to help vote us in the opposite direction of this. That didn't work. Now it's happening and there's no easy way out of this.
What can one do at this point?
How did we get 40s Germany to stop being so Nazi? We all know what has to happen.
Buy a gun. Or two. Train. Help others buy and train. Many people just need that little push from someone that knows more about the process than them. It's a whole hell of a lot more difficult to oppress people who are armed to the teeth. Just watched a video of armed protestors in Philadelphia. The cops show up, try to get them to stand down. They don't. The cops end up leaving. There's your proof.
Hold conservatives in your life accountable however you see fit. If that means cutting them off, that means cutting them off.
Fight misinformation wherever you see it by correcting it with facts. Even if it seems pointless. You aren't commenting for the benefit of the piece of shit you're trying to correct. You're commenting for the other people that end up reading it and learning from it.
Read the CIA's "Simple Sabotage" handbook, which is available online. Do anything in it that you can reasonably do, ESPECIALLY if you work for the federal government.
Support and protect your neighbors, assuming they aren't conservatives. Do not aid or abet any conservative in any way, shape, or form. Do your due diligence and make sure any business you're spending your money with doesn't have conservative ties. Google the owner's name and check their social media. Make sure they aren't conservative.
Vote. Every. Single. Time. In every election, no matter how small.
Ask them to look at their credit card bills or grocery receipts from January 2024 and January 2026. Just compare. If theyโre better off, super, vote however you want. If literally everything in their life is apples to apples more expensive in 2 yearsโ time, like double, let the numbers do the explaining.
actually make them look at thier INSURANCE bills, and see thier ACA/ preniums have drastically risen,
Tell them elections are cancelled
They can't vote for them but they can vote for politicians who support them.
Trump and Vance have already done alot to convince people not to vote for them.
If not, I think the problem is slot larger than Trump and Vance
Trumpists are believers in conspiracy theories.
You need to pay attention to this fact first.
Convince them that your candidate is against the New World Order (NWO) and Agenda 2030.
Instead, tell them he's a WEF president who speaks at Davos. Then show him a picture of him at Davos in front of a WEF background.
You won't convince them by appealing to science, academic papers, public data, or serious journalism.
You can't.
Tell them they should go and vote in Greenland to make its annexation official, because if they mail in their ballot it will be stolen. And Greenland is the only option to have a third Trump presidency.
Trying to reason with irrational actors is an exercise in futility.
You gotta scare them instead
You canโt. Theyโre in a cult.
So if so, how does one convince Trump voters to leave the cult?
All of them? Mass influence campaign costing billions of dollars.
First, you have to buy a SHITLOAD of Kool-Aidโฆ
Skew the polls. Make it look like heโs doing amazing so they donโt need to show up.
You can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason in to. Bedsides, they've already drawn first blood in the civil war. Fuck 'em.
Even their dipshit brains donโt function without our air.
Trump is unable to run for 2028, but there are some peeps attempting to make a third term possible. He can't run again, so Vance would apparently be selected (all elections are selections anyway if you look at how the scripts are played out).
However, to flip the script on it, a quiet insurrection would have to happen to ensure this doesn't play out the way it's supposed to run. The constitution in America allows for the deposing of a government if it goes against the people, and we're past due for that.
That is true, Trump is ineligible to run in 2028. Also, at this point, what would the people do about the current Trump administration, and don't answer in a way that would get people in trouble with the FBI
Well, as I said before, we're already derelict in our duty to the Constitution, as all we need to do is lawfully depose the current government structure, and rebuild it exactly as the Constitution describes, only without Roman Catholicism, which is the system that actually governed this current iteration of constitutional interpretation.
What amendment did the Constitution say about that?
It's not an amendment, from what I understand of it. It's a section in the Constitution that allows for the people to overthrow a government when it becomes too corrupt. I don't know which section that's in.
Where?
Perhaps speak out against the violence taking place at the hands of the radical left. Stop supporting trans ideology. Stop supporting DEI policies that systematically disadvantage them. Stop supporting rampant immigration. Stop trying to take gun rights and free speech away. Stop supporting people who are using violence and illegal action against a department that is doing its legally mandated duty at behest of the people via democracy (ice).
Ohh and also perhaps try treating them like people not as pawns for your own political ends.
Good luck but I think you will find that these people don't want to vote for trump or Vance they want to vote for someone more extreme. They didn't choose this they where pushed here.
Of all the things you could be on Lemmy, you chose this stupidity.
I frequent both the communities of all political circles as to avoid the indoctrination of one in particular. I simply preach hype rationalism on them all