Spyke
lemmy.world

"Get the illegals out" is and always was a dog whistle for "get the brown people out"

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night of long knives, next it will be the non-loyalist supporters, than its will be the loyalists, who are not supportive enough.

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They're Nazis. They have a very narrow, and ever narrowing, template for which people deserve to live. Everything except this is beside the point for them, and their words are just there to distract while they ready the machinery of mass extermination. It's clear now that this is the direction they will continue to move in unless they are forcibly stopped.

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lemmy.world

Or, from a less Euro-centric POV, it’s always been about immigration settler-colonialism.

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lemmy.world

Can you imagine how stupid and ignorant you have to be to think that a Native American is somehow not a citizen of the land that they have lived in and on for a thousand years or more? Whereas most of these dipshits people haven't been here for more than two hundred years or so. Of course some of them could be degenerate mayflowers.

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lemmy.zip

I’ve seen a bunch of white people say that whites are Native American, like you have to be forcefully stupid to believe some of the shit they spin.

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lemmy.today

or some even if they have less than 1% native american ancestry, say they are "native americans. dude, your white asf, you dont even practice or even research thier history.

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My wife does this and it kinda bugs me. I have some Native American ancestry, but I don't know who it was, my family hasn't been carrying down tribal traditions. So I wouldn't claim that I am partially Native American. I'm a white dude stuck on stolen land, claiming a birthright to their heritage is just an attempt to steal the last fucking thing Native Americans have been allowed to keep.

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It’s probably because they’ve heard the “one drop” rule. The part where you said practice and research history needs to/should be highly prevalent to claim that though.

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MehBlahreply
lemmy.world

I've never seen that. In my experience the worst racism comes from those who have some non white heritage. I have seen whites ashamed they had some Native American blood. Like most of my family from two generations back were very ashamed of it. Of course it used to carry a stigma back in the early twentieth century. Its was the family rumor that a couple of my great uncles I never met were responsible for the local county courthouse burning down. All to erase the past by burning all the birth records. You can't look at any of the surviving pictures of my great grandfather on my mothers side without seeing he had a huge amount of native american blood. On my fathers side my grandfather had a year round tan and jet black hair until it fell out that everyone commented on like it was amazing.

I am however extremely Irish in complexion if not all of my facial features. Proof against one my mothers many bigoted remarks. 'You can't mix it white again'. I'm proof that you can.

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MehBlahreply
lemmy.world

Thanks. You seem to like us enough to comment a lot.

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lemmy.today

I'd be so proud if I had some Native American ancestry. I'm just boring Anglo-Saxon and French, and we only found out about the French part recently.

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The amount I have is very very small. So much that I do not claim it. Its not like I can prove it since the records of it were destroyed.

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lemmy.ml

Hey, your mum here, sorry you had to find out like this, but you're adopted

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I have heard MAGAs say that the NAs are safe on their reservations, but when they cross the line into the United States, they are officially illegal immigrants, and are fully eligible to be arrested.

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Don't forget the fundamental hypocrisy of Trump telling Greenland that ships 500 years ago don't mean they own the land. That is directly related as well, even if it is technically a separate issue.

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lemmy.world

If you're American and this is alright with you, you're what the Brits call a cunt.

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Umm. Some Americans would call those pricks cunts as well.. (how does that one work again?)

I mean, I would.

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lemmy.world

And they dare call everyone else uncivilised, and third world countries, and Jesus this and Jesus that, while at the same time protecting pedophiles, attacking and killing their own, they are simply the epitome of degeneration, stupidity and barbaric behaviour of our generation, technology and wealth are never the measure of civilisation..Fuck this shit hole of a country

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lemmy.ml

Both of those countries took notes from the United States, particularly with respect to the success of the genocide of American Indians.

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Nazi Germany also took lessons from the Japanese, specifically during the Rape of Nanking.

I’m not deflecting from the horrid place the right has placed the US. I’m simply pointing out that it’s not just the US. Eventually, this shit comes for every country unless stopped.

Maybe next time we’ll vote against it, if we’re lucky enough to have elections again.

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lemmy.world

Deport them ASAP! Back to their federally recognized tribal lands!!

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floofloofreply
lemmy.ca

These Nazis don't care. The point is to assert white supremacy through terror.

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CeeBee_Ehreply
lemmy.world

It just occurred to me that I don't think I've seen a photo of a single brown, black, or Asian ICE agent. They're all white, aren't they?

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CeeBee_Ehreply
lemmy.world

Those aren't ICE agents, they're Border Patrol which is part of CBP. I'm not even American and even I know this.

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So the acts depicted in that photo and described in that article, is not at all on the same level as the things ICE is being criticized for?

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floofloofreply
lemmy.ca

The icelist site showed a surprising number of non-white ICE agents.

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Interesting. I wonder how many of them are the ones deployed to the streets.

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foodandartreply
lemmy.zip

There is no plan other than to hope they get their bonus for capturing "illegals" before it is discovered that they are in fact, Americans.

There's no surplus of smarts in evidence with these morons.

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The plan is to start a war so elections can be disputed or suspended, the prison industrial complex investors get rich and people are too desperate trying to restore order, they forget about environmental, health and labor regulations.

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Terrorise brown people. It doesn't matter if they end up being released, they were locked up for 3 weeks, probably beaten up a couple of times - when they're released the jobs been done. For now, until it gets worse. It can always get worse.

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They've been sending people with no history in Africa to camps in fucking Djibouti, what makes you think that they won't do the same to Native Americans?

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First concentration camps ("immigration detention centers"), then labor camps ("for-profit prisons") if you're lucky, death camps ("CECOT" or similar) otherwise.

First for immigrants because it's easy to justify, then any non-whites because they're easy to target, then the dissident whites because nobody else is there to speak out.

They have been testing the waters for this (including sending US citizens to foreign death camps) for a year now.

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I don't think you meant it that way, but there are many many lands that belong to American Indians, but are not federally recognized due to:

  • never having been ceded in a treaty
  • the US government outright breaking the treaty

I'm also down to go with "all the land is theirs regardless as the treaties were signed under duress".

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lemmy.world

mfw the US government can perform secret assassinations and kidnapping on foreign soil with high precision, but can't for the love of god distinguish between Latin Americans and Native Americans.

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Partially because most Latin Americans have indigenous roots, not that there aren't white Mexicans or what have you. Since they are often victimized disproportionately in their home countries, many central and south Americans who migrate have indigenous backgrounds. So in a sense, it's twice as bad as you'd think at first glance.

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If anyone is interested in the liberation of American Indians/First Nations I encourage you to get a copy and read "Custer Died for Your Sins" today!


Also, if you don't want to be a colonizer, the first step is to actually study the history of the people in your local region. The history of indigenous people and settlers is not necessarily separate, but intertwined.

In order to stand together with tribes, most of whom gave been held in poverty and disrespected (and worse!) by the United States, it is important to thoroughly understand the topics at hand so we can bring about the proper restitution. Despite the efforts of settlers to erase these people and their history, we have the opportunity to stand with them and write a new chapter.

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I mean the "kavanaugh stop" came out of this. So yes, it was always about racism

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lemmy.world

This situation is really upsetting tribal leaders in Minnesota are saying ICE has been stopping and detaining Native Americans who are already U.S. citizens, and they’re calling it racial profiling and a violation of treaty rights. Indigenous officials are pointing out that tribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed, and they don’t fall under immigration enforcement jurisdiction. They’ve made it clear that their citizenship isn’t negotiable and are demanding answers and the release of anyone wrongly held. Many lawmakers and advocates are calling this a civil-rights issue, and it’s sparked serious outrage in the community

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tribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed

I understand the point you are making here, although I want to add that most American Indians were not United States citizens until 1924.

The United States is not their country, but a force that is occupying their land. It is more complicated than that, but it needs to be a part of the conversation, in my opinion.

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The fascist don't follow the rules.

So yea, first they came for the easy pickings and you didn't fight back. So they're getting more emboldened.

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_White Americans, what? Nothing better to do?

Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too_

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MrFinnbeanreply
lemmy.world

Latina america has a heavy influence by Spain, Portuquese and France colonist. So similary like north america, while there are indigenous people, lots of them are decendents of colonizers, so you cant just compare Latinos to Native Americans.

Edit; i fight the urge to change the comment, but i decited to leave it as is. User Formfiller has two excelent links in their comment that contradicts my comment and proofs that geneticaly people are still mostly indigenous in latin america even if not culturaly.

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Formfillerreply
lemmy.world

In My research I found that you are incorrect. The two peer reviewed studies I have for you today indicate that 90% of the population of Mexico does indeed have strong genetic ties to the indigenous population of the Americas. If you need further evidence please let me know. The fact you’re being upvoted for misinformation makes me think this platform is going downhill. Furthermore, deporting people indigenous to the Americas while claiming some divine right by race( as this administration is doing) doesn’t hold up when you consider that the people they are deporting are indigenous to the Americas

https://aztec.style/are-mexicans-native-american-mexican-people-origins-truth/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8467843/

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Thank you. These were good reads. Especially the later one.

There were two quotes in the later one that are especially intresting.

First from the introduction: In all statistics, around 85–95% of people identified themselves as a mixture of Amerindian and European ancestry, widely called “Mestizos” in the literature, as opposed to the autochthonous population defined by their surviving culture, language, tradition, oral history, and customs.

And another from the conclusion: The findings confirm that the genetic impact of European conquest was small in terms of maternal lineage introgression, and the changes in population structure that followed have likely not substantially changed the ample pre-Columbian pattern of mtDNA variation in Mexico.

So basically people are more or less genetically indigenous, but culturally dont consider themself as one. This makes my head hurt, because im not qualified enough to decite which matter more, the genetics or how they percive them selfs. In any way its clear that colonism had huge effect.

I also want to point out that i did not take any stand in the matter of deportations, but if you want one, mine is that any country has a right to deport illegal aliens, but i think the way your current goverment is doing it right now is horrendeus. Just because you are illegal imigrant does not mean you dont deserve to be treated like human. Also fuck ICE. They are acting straight like natzies were.

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Not really, but kinda. The Spaniards came over, met the Mayans, and together they became Mexicans. (No, I'm not being completely serious)

The reality is that the lines between ethnicities are very muddy and blurry and in the end makes ZERO sense to box everyone into those containers.

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lemmy.zip

Y'all only got universal citizenship in 1924, so you better believe it's negotiable.

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You make it sound as though the invaders who set up their country where the natives already lived are benevolent for allowing the natives to stay.

I'd rather deport ICE back to where it belongs. Antarctica had lots of ice for example...

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