Spyke
feddit.org

Honestly, the Nobel Foundation has done themselves and the Nobel Prize terrible damage. I, for one, am no longer interested in this sham of an award, or any of the other Nobel prizes. They should be ashamed that were stupid enough or corrupt enough to have given it to Machado in the first place, she was clearly no agent for peace. This just adds to that shame.

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

Look at it from her side. She can "give" this narcissistic her award (which she actually can't) and the guy who holds the strings will be pleased and she gets her country back, peacefully.

That's a great deal for her and Venezuela overall. She is playing him. It's tactful and tactical. And he's a pathetic toddler who only responds to praise and participation awards - what a sad sad sad person to have as leader. I hope MAGA sees how pathetic this is but I know they won't.

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Alloireply
lemmy.world

its a little naive if anything, hes not going to give anything back. he just takes more if anything. hes a void.

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Deathray5reply
lemmynsfw.com

Her success in her mission was always a long shot. Flattery can work on him so it makes sense for her to try

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

That is a risk, but she's got to try something. Doing nothing is how the US got where it is now.

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its a little naive if anything

Doesn't matter: it's the effort that counts. Plus, he's a transactional moron.

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She's not "trying to get her country back." For one, it doesn't belong to her but to all Venezuelans, the majority of which do not like her. In addition, she has spoken publicly at economic conferences about her plans to sell the rights to Venezuela's oil and other natural resources to US oil companies. She's playing a game here, but it's at the expense of Venezuelans, not for their benefit.

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rafoixreply
lemmy.zip

she gets her country back, peacefully

Its too late for that.

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

Versus a civil war, this would be a much more peaceful approach.

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I mean... I have to say, civil war wise this is possibly worse.

Trumps initial claim of her was that she was weak and she didn't have the support of her people. Obviously it's BS... but look at it now.

Imagine being one of the Venezuelan people. Someone just kissed the ass of the guy who just kidnapped your former leader. Regardless of her capabilities... Everyone will know she took power, by overtly sucking up to the guy that's been bombing their fishing boats, killed 80 people in the process of kidnapping their leader. No matter how you look at it I can't imagine the people of Venezuela are going to see her as anything but having sold out their country.

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rafoixreply
lemmy.zip

You don’t think that a well connected person being undemocratically installed by the government that kidnapped the existing president, stole your oil and murdered dozens of your people be the cause of a civil war?

Seems like you only believe in might makes right.

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Did she?

Kind of weird because she did not actually run in the presidential election. She won her primary but was disqualified before the election.

Now she’s sucking up to someone that has murdered dozens of Venezuelans. Her interview on Hannity is pathetic.

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scarabicreply
lemmy.world

When the US kidnaps your president and installs a puppet, it’s hardly “getting your country back” when the puppet plays along.

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sh.itjust.works

She's not the puppet he installed. She's trying to bribe him to put her in that position but for now it's Maduro's VP Delcy Rodriguez

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Which is the stupid part, because the peace prize was her only leverage. It's pretty clear she's purely trying to play the book of appeasing him to get him help her, but failed to actually secure that part in some under the table quid pro quo.

Now Trump gets to pick and choose between two people that are willing to sell out their country to appease him, except one is actually in control of said country while the other handed him a peace prize (her only leverage) and hoped for him to 'do the right thing'.

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0x0reply

She’s not the puppet he installed.

No, but she sure as hell has wanted to for a very long time.

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grtereply
lemmy.ca

Is Trump in a position to "give" Venezuela to Machado? As far as I can determine the same government that was running it before Maduro's abduction is running it currently.

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

That was a choice by the Trump administration. They could have removed the entire cabinet if they wanted to. They probably, and I may be giving them more credit than they deserve, hoped that showing the remaining cabinet what could happen would mean they would do as Trump asked. Mob tactics.

Also they probably thought creating a power vacuum wouldn't help either because it never does. Ever. Ever ever. History has proved that SOO many times.

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grtereply

Could they have? I have seen a lot of talk, but the actual plan that Rubio laid out is that they are going to embargo Venezuela until the government does what they want. The same thing they were doing before Maduro's abduction. It's been a couple weeks now since that abduction and it doesn't seem like Trump is any more in control of Venezuela than he was prior to the abduction. Just a lot of grandiose claims.

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0x0reply

They could have removed the entire cabinet if they wanted to.

I think you're giving them a bit too much credit...

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zwergreply
feddit.org

He not a toddler, he's about to extort an entire country for oil, and very likely go to war with them. Machado isn't playing him, shes encouraging him in the hope that she gets a seat at the table.

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

He's doing things based on his memories. 80s were his happy time. He went in for oil but even the oil companies want little to do with that - we're past peak oil and it'll cost a fortune to get the oil fields producing an amount that's profitable and that will also have a big affect on demand cost (i.e. cost will go down so there's no point in extraction)

Former oil worker and from a family of oil workers. Been through enough cycles to know what to expect.

Trump is a toddler who doesn't understand simple business ideas anymore, if he ever did. Machado is playing him because she knows he only listens to praise from the last person he talked to. He's very simple and old.

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Plus, more oil on the markets will just push the price down further without increasing sales. Trump is not going to wave a magic wand and make people around the world start burning more oil when everyone else is switching to renewables as fast as they can.

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0x0reply

and very likely go to war with them.

And very likely to face another Vietnam. Deservedly, 10x-over.

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She's not playing him. He is playing her. She's the one begging in this situation, not him.

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

Sure this is great "move" if you have no morals or ethics... the notion the Orange Pedo will hand over a country and forget about is laughable... she just wants to be next in the trough and will obey the fellon president as long as she can suck the tit, Venezuelans be damned

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lmmarsanoreply
lemmynsfw.com

no morals or ethics

What morals or ethics? The medal is just a thing. Trading it for an ideal like democracy for your people (ie, a peaceful bid to try to restore democracy to your country) seems a worthy cause indicating all the more that she deserved that prize in the first place.

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

What morals or ethics? The medal is just a thing.

The cozying up to a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster, pedophile, war monger part?

Machado does not want democracy, she wants to be "appointed"

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lmmarsanoreply
lemmynsfw.com

The cozying up to a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster, pedophile, war monger part?

Like every world leader flattering & gifting the douche (a problem that might resolve itself in a few years) to evade extra hardships from the US? Have you been asleep? That's classic diplomacy in this sort of situation. Except for the warmongering part, the US's problems aren't everyone else's: the US can fuck themselves for all they care.

No sense in faulting someone working with what they got. They're in no position to challenge the US.

Machado does not want democracy

They already had an election robbed by falsified results.

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Like every world leader flattering…

Exactly and look where that got us. Flattering one of the worse human beings alive today has not slowed him down or even curve his behaviour for the better

They already had an election robbed by falsified results.

Yes and Machado was not a candiate in it… if she were peddling for that last election to be ratified, I would be more understanding but she just wants to be annointed the new puppet head of Venezuela

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

When the enemy has no morals or ethics, what do you do?

The US has always wanted puppet states in the Americas. Sure, she'd be beholden to the US, for now, but she may be better than the Maduro regime, and the people voted her in too.

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Jhexreply
lemmy.world

When the enemy has no morals or ethics, what do you do?

I feel you want me to say you are supposed to sink to his level? isn't that what most Americans are complaining the Democrats are doing?

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

Democrats haven't sunk to that level at all. Wtf are you talking about. Dems have written strongly worded letters asking for violence to please stop, protested a bit and blown some whistles. Meanwhile MAGA and their paramilitary (ice) have gone around killing people. They are not the same.

Not suggesting violent retaliation, because that is what the right want - they're trying to provoke violence, but there are other non-violent disruptive behaviours that could be enacted

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Democrats haven’t sunk to that level at all.

I'm talking about their movement towards the right. Democrats are far right compared to most actual leftist party in the world

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Venezuela overall

Yeah I don't think being forced to give away your natural resources is a great deal.

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it would be really funny if she just let replica made to give him and kept the original :D

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TomMaszreply
lemmy.world

The Foundation couldn't stop her from doing this, and as far as they're concerned, it's still hers. Physical possession is symbolic, and she knew it would get him to calm down. Cynical? Yes. But it if works...

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zwergreply
feddit.org

My issue is that Machado should never have got the award in the first place, Trump now possessing it adds insult to injury. The Foundation should be ashamed of what they did.

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lemmy.world

My issue is that Machado should never have got the award in the first place

Why? At the time she was a persecuted activist challenging a dictator. That's right up their alley.

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0x0reply

she was a persecuted activist

Was she though... 'cos she seems to be sucking the persecuters' dicks now... maybe it's Stockholm syndrome.

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lemmy.ca

The Peace prize foundation has nothing to do with the scientific prizes.

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Misses here and there does not mean the whole is a "joke". Most of the people who received deserved it.

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I don’t know if having a title such as this constitutes the need for affirmation. Like you need to show people you have an award for something that one should have been done already. (You don’t tell ppl your going to therapy but rather you do the positive outcomes/actions for your community/oneself)

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discuss.tchncs.de

Look at who awards the prices. Copied from Wikipedia:

Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences (Physics, Chemistry and Economics[1])

Nobel Assembly at the Karolinska Institute (Physiology or Medicine)

Swedish Academy (Literature)

Norwegian Nobel Committee (Peace)

Notably all prices except the peace price are awarded by Swedish institutions.

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And, speaking as a Norwegian, the committee members are selected by politicians, some notably being right-wing parties

Currently there's a big discussion about reforming it due to these reasons, and have the committee more rooted in subject experts. There's a fair amount of criticism, especially by our red party

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lemmy.world

They gave it to Machado for her activism against Maduro. They can't predict the future.

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Ougiereply
lemmy.world

I mean no offense, but do you really not see what's behind her receiving it in the first place?

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lemmy.world

Yes, her activism against Maduro. That's what's behind it, What conspiracy do you have in mind?

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Ougiereply
lemmy.world

I don't think you can call the USA's efforts to undermine South America's governments a conspiracy at this point. It's well documented that over the years the CIA have done everything they can to control the region. In this episode of the ongoing South American telenovela, DT wanted the Nobel peace prize. There was no reason to give it to him so instead someone smarter used the US leverage over the committee to create a narrative where the US backed opposition would get some legitimacy and global recognition so that the upcoming coup wouldn't taste so bad.

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lemmy.world

US backed opposition

What an insult to Venezuelans. That opposition was homegrown and domestic and a response to Maduro's refusal to yield power. She was a leader in that opposition and was awarded the prize months before she outed herself as someone supporting a violent coup.

the US leverage over the committee

What leverage is that exactly? Do you not realize how fucking embarrassing you sound right now? This doesn't exist.

The US' past in South America is not a license for you to just make up bullshit. We have:

1.) the likely, sensible theory where the Committee saw Machado as a pro-democracy activist against a dictator.

or....

2.) Trump wanted a Nobel prize, forced the Committee to give the award to Machado. And somehow, Machado made him do this to take advantage of him. And she convinced Trump to pull off a coup 4 months later.

Yeah, I don't like her either, but's not an excuse to fucking lie like this.

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I'm sure there's a lot of different "factions" opposing Maduro, surely many of them on the actual left, but somehow she comes out on top.

The US's past and present in South America is quite telling imho. The current administration have made their intentions clear - as opposed to previous administrations who were more diplomatic and secretive, but the goal is ultimately the same.

As for your 2, with all due respect that's not what I was suggesting. Machado is just a pawn, I'm not saying she manifested this. Now if you think that's bs, that's cool, whatever. To me it's pretty obvious.

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They should be ashamed that were stupid enough

Seems like you're telling on yourself: doing whatever they must to peacefully try to get their country back is a very peace prizey thing to do.

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piefed.social

Also, as far as 'cucked' goes.

It's an open secret in NYC that he divorced Marla [wife#2, Tiffany's mother] after he caught her with a member of his security team.

He paid the guy who slept with his wife.

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kbobabobreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

He paid the guy who slept with his wife.

Did he though? Trump is known for not paying the people that work for him

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To be fair her thinking was that if she just give him that hunk of metal and he overthrows the government it would be absolutely worth it.

And to me that doesn't make me look in a bad way on her.

But unfortunately the joke is on her, he has no intention of doing it (he is fine with regime, he just wanted to get the oil). And he already is showing this by forgetting her name.

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lemmy.ca

What a fucking child. He can’t even see how embarrassing this is. SAD!

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It's the same as someone who bought a medal of honor at a deceased estate garage sale and thinking that you earned a medal of honor...

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Yeah she tried to Bribe him and he was like "thanks for that, bye!". Two absolute morons.

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The worst part of this administration isn't all the crazy shit they're coming up with and implementing. It's all the people like this that are bending over backwards to appease him like a spoiled rich child that didn't get enough birthday presents and reinforcing the behavior.

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lemmy.world

lol is he going to take her name off it and put his on? He is, isn’t he..

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lemmy.world

What a fucking joke, if this is real and not a shitpost, since the officials from “Nobel” denied her first attempt.

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It's real but it's as stupid as it can get.

If tomorrow I meet a famous hollywood actor and they give me an Oscar statuette because I ask them for it, I still didn't win an Oscar. I just have a statuette of it, but I didn't win it.

Same happens here, just because he has the medal doesn't mean he has won a nobel prize

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stoyreply
lemmy.zip

I don't see any information that the medal is engraved with the name of the recipient.

I am interested in ceremonies and logistics, can you tell me your source on this please?

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It's worse. Here's a better pic of the prize you see in the photo.

if you zoom it, you can see just below the medal itself "The 2025 Nobel Peace Prize medal awarded to Maria Corina Machado"

It's utterly ridiculous.

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Ok, so the letter has her name, not the medal itself?

So I was right?

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lemmy.world

I’m not the commenter, but:

The names of the chemistry, medicine, literature and physics prize recipients are engraved on the reverse of the medal on a small plate. The names of the peace and economic prize recipients are engraved on the edges of their medals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_medal

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stoyreply
lemmy.zip

Ok, so not on the medal, right!

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Waraughreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

It specifically says the name is engraved on the edge of the medal in the comment you are replying to, why are you so sure it’s not?

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You are indeed correct, I got several messages at the same time when I got this and only skimmed it at the time so I missed it.

I was also annoyed at the other replies talking about the name being on a plaque next to the medal when I asked for the medal itself.

So confusion and a slight annoyance contributed to the misunderstanding.

Sorry about that.

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sh.itjust.works

Just... Zoom in on the picture.

Edit: ok this version is kinda low-res. You can see her name in the second plate

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stoyreply
lemmy.zip

Yes, but that was not what I asked, I asked if the medal itself was engraved.

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On the edges. For the peace price, it says it's engraved on the edge of the medal.

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

She can "donate" it but she can't give it away. The decision by the Nobel award committee is final. She's playing him and good on her for doing so.

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He's emperor Nero. Also loved standing at a podium talking gibberish for hours, all about personal spectacle. Demands loyalty and pisses on institutions. Rewards flattery and punishes dissent. Reality is negotiable. Everything is performative theater, constantly names enemies who slighted him and blames others for his own mistakes. Same opulence fetish. They even fucking look the same, that same fat, dumb face, down to the combover:

Tell me how Trump isn't Nero reincarnated.

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What an actual fucking loser. What a piece of shit. What human filth. The lowest fucking being of us all. An actual turd. Human sewage.

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lemmy.ca

I doubt any Venezuelans are looking forward to her as their leader. The Norwegian prize committee should rescind the award.

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Unfortunately the committee can't rescind it (by their own rules), just like she can't transfer it to Trump, but only one of those two cares about upholding truth and value.

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h0rnmanreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I could see an argument that it's a very small price to pay to get Trumpkin to leave your country the fuck alone, though. I'm not super spun up on the topic, but if I could get the eye of Sauron off of me by giving a toddler a shiny medal and a piece of paper, I'd jump on that in a second

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0x0reply
lemmy.zip

I could see an argument that it’s a very small price to pay to get Trumpkin to leave your country the fuck alone, though.

It's naive in the extreme to assume a trinket will get him off Venezuela's oil.

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Maybe? I guess it depends on which of his handlers wins out. Greenland is big in what's left of his mind, and he's got a warm fuzzy feeling right now towards Venezuela.

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This is my take. It’s a desperate attempt to protect her people.

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lemmy.world

If I threaten my doctor, can I make him give me his degree and start practicing medicine?

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The medal is going to turn up in 100 years with a lot of tooth marks on it. Not marks from biting gold to see if it is legit. Tooth marks that suggest somebody thought it was full of chocolate.

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slrpnk.net

I'm going to preface with this with I know it's not actually going to happen this way so don't worry about replying to tell me how stupid it is, it's just a dream.

How wonderful would it be if she coated the metal in anthrax (or some similar instant death substance that's super sneaky) and then stuck it in that stupid frame, knowing that they would check it for explosives but that Trump would want it so bad he wouldn't let them keep it for any long period of time and when he's hiding away in his room feeling cool about himself he opens it up and puts it on and then dies a fast but horrible death? I'd love that. Fast because I just want the fucker dead.

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lemmy.world

After this bitch won the award, you cannot convince me the Nobel Committee isn't just a bunch of bourgeoisie Zionist pieces of shit.

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kkjreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

They gave it to fucking Kissinger. Machado isn't the worst winner by far.

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They gave it to Obama.

Who at that point the only thing he did was avoid a potential rebellion by the former slave states by competely pardoning the Bush administration for legalizing and officially implementing TORTURE

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But he wasn't personally intervening to make sure that more babies got napalmed, so he's still not the worst recipient.

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lemmy.world

You realize this stupid bitch was begging for Trump to coup Venezuela to put her in charge, openly advertised herself as letting US oil companies rape Venezuela of all its resources, and is also a pro-Israel Zionist piece of shit, right?

Why are you a fucking moron?

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Indoctrination, alienation, and the abolishment of schools, is my guess. Could be intellectually challenged, or just lazy. Could be genuinely evil. What makes pigs love shit, really? Can we even tell?

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lmmarsanoreply
lemmynsfw.com

Citation missing, especially on the resource "rape", so

You're flailing vitriol without properly justifying until called out & arrogantly assuming everyone should know shit that doesn't affect us.

Plus, she's advocating for Venezuela, not Israel or Palestine & certainly not the US: enemy of my enemy & playing sides against each other logic. As for the coup begging, I doubt anyone wanting to restore democracy in their country gives too many fucks about how their country's dictator is deposed as long as it gets done. One step at a time without her people even lifting a gun.

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0x0reply

how their country’s dictator is deposed as long as it gets done.

Sure, why would the how matter? What's a swift election vs a lengthy civil war or occupation, amrite?
As long as it gets done...

/s in case you're mentally challenged

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Wonder what he's going to do with his FIFA Peace Prize now. Omg, what a timeline we're on. I feel for the historians having to record this. It's so pathetic.

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We have the Peace Prize ready to go for tomorrow, and one for next week, and the big box in the back is for February

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Has the vibes of Putin stealing a superbowl ring, but less power move and more pathetic desperation.

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lemmy.ca

The irony is by accepting this he’s pissed on his chips in terms of his chances of actually getting awarded one.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

oh i think that train has departed long ago; someone as openly corrupt as trump never had a chance in the first place.

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0x0reply

I'd be inclined to agree, were this not the timeline of Surely never... wait what?

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If Zelensky announced that they had started building a gigantic gilded statue of the Orange One in Kiev, there would probably be a US guarded no-fly zone over entire Ukraine as soon as the first carrier could get close enough. And they:d be loading Tomahawks and all the other gear Ukraine has requested for transport within few hours.

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At the end of the day these awards are meaningless. Especially now with a world rocketing towards moral bankruptcy. Be good, do good. Be kind to your fellow humans. Be the change you want to see and others will know you are kind and strong.

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I hope he hangs it over his bed and it's actually toxic and he's dead by February.

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0x0
lemmy.zip

So Corina Machado is still sycophanting...

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You have to be a very shallow person to... well, do anything this cunt has ever done, come to think of it.

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Well, I suppose he could stay and watch next time Jared fucks his daughter.

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