On Biblical "Morality"
Source (Bluesky)
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FFRF:
Here’s how pliable bible-based “morality” is: she swerved right past “thou shalt not kill” and found a verse to justify killing someone for defying authority.
If your ethics can be weaponized that easily, it’s not morality.
Megan Basham:
To those invoking Christianity in this current controversy over the shooting in Minnesota, it is important to remember that our God is a God of order. And he requires submission to all legal authorities.
Romans 13: "For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong."
Biblically, what Renée Good was doing was actually a sin. She was breaking the law. She was defying legal authority that was justly being carried out.
I'm sad about what happened to her. It's tragic. But as a Christian, I can reflect that this is why Romans 13 wisely tells us to obey the authorities. It is for our safety and good. :::
This is what “taking the LORD’s name in vain” actually looks like - using God as your excuse to do heinous shit.
Isn’t “Thou shall not kill” 2 or 3 commandments later?
You're kidding right? god agrees with what they're doing. god was an authoritarian asshole who cared more about your obedience than pretty much anything else. Except maybe making sure that you really loved him in your obedience...
Hell is stuffed with people like her.
If you take Jesus at his word anyway.
And it's so full, that Satan has moved to another realm just to get away from them.
Jesus LOVES Murdering Moms! It SAYS so in The Bible! And if you DONT see that you're a TERRORIST who needs to DIE for Your Sins! I'm GOING TO HEAVEN!
There's a much more famous example, which is actually in the gospels, that details how Christianity and government are related, and that's when Jesus said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."
Why wouldn't she go for the most famous example, and the one that is actually in Jesus's words? An example that has been examined and debated more closely than just about anything outside of the gospels. Why did she go for a book that is attributed to Paul, instead of going to Jesus's words?
My first theory is that she just doesn't know the Bible very well. She probably doesn't understand the contextual meaning of Jesus's words. My second theory is that it's a slightly more subtle opinion than the black-and-white world which that sort of asshole thinks she lives in. Jesus is responding to a tricky challenge where the easy answers are either that he supports breaking the law, or he believes religious people should subjugate themselves before their governments.
And the simplest interpretation of his answer is that earthly authorities have authority over earthly matters. So, it means nearly the same thing as Romans 13.
Of course, there's no evidence that Renee Good was breaking any law, either, so
Matthew 25:31-46 is when Jesus lays out the standards by which people will be judged. I don't think MAGA would rate highly by Jesus's standards, since it's based entirely on the treatment of the poor, the sick, foreigners, and the imprisoned.
There's a simple mental trick for getting past that scripture. The part where Jesus says the least of his family, they just decide they are the in group and we are the out group.
So they reason no matter how poor and downtrodden we are, Jesus meant them, not us.
You know they're scraping the barrel when they skip the entire gospel and quote fucking Romans to make their point.
Good luck finding an example of Jesus obeying authority (spoiler: it's the part where he dies).
If Jesus was here now his lady would celebrate ICE executing him
Nah, famously jesus was pro paying taxes.
Eyyy there it is, the fascist's call for order. Everything else is chaos and only authoritarians can restore order and peace through violence.
For all non-fascists out there, always remember that fascists love violence and are fucking cowards. I don't condone it but they'll run if youscare their fine sensibilities or tell them no.
Anyone surprised there was no reference to Renee Good being gay and that making killing her even more justified in the eyes of god? Because I am.
That's the next step of justifying this tragedy that we haven't yet seen the US sink to... I give it less than a week before someone pulls that card.
the amount of willful submission in this post is beyond what I can safely assess
Everything else aside, what law did she break?
If you ignore the evidence otherwise like they do, she weaponized her vehicle
So, we can add bearing false witness to that?
It's funny how that bible person cannot separate God's law from man's law. I think there might be some golden calf shit going on.
This person is breaking two Commandments, the only rules so explicitly important to Christians that the only God they believe in hand carved stone to make sure the followers know these rules do not change.
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not take thy Lord's name in vain.
She is no Christian and will burn forever as Satan applauds her for steering more souls to Hell. She is a heretic and will forever burn in fire. Good for her.
from Richard III, Act I Scene III by William Shakespeare
Bitch please, if Christians obeyed the laws like that the SCOTUS docket would be a ghost town.
Would love to pass a law mandating abortion and see how well they obey.
This is called twisting your faith to meet your politics.
It is ignoring that the Bible commands to “do not oppress foreigners as you were once foreigners in Egypt”. And to obey God over man.
And it is ignoring that the Bible has multiple stories of disobedience to authority that is in opposition to God (Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; the Apostles being arrested in the book of Acts)
LOL they literally want to be sheeple and openly admit it
Declaring independence from an empire & making sea tea is a sin too.
Hypocrisy is not a bug in fascism, but a feature. The ultimate demonstration of your power is being exempt from societal rules.
I mean, didn't the Romans crucify Jesus within the Roman Empire? Is she saying the Romans had full authority to murder Jesus so it's all good?
oBEY mah auTHORatay
Something tells me she was probably spewing from her face hole about how the January 6th riots were justified...
It’s, eh, actually “though shalt not murder”. The distinction is both subtle and very much not subtle- murder is unjustified killing.
According to these trauma-bonded simps, when god kills, it’s always justified.
Just as abuse victims will, in many of the worst cases, justify their abuser’s actions. Food gone cold, or it wasn’t ready when he got home. He ran out of booze, etc.
You can't "it's actually" and use English. You're about sixteen distinct translations away from what it actually is.
The ten commandments are actually a recipe for soup.
Pretty sure you don't seem to understand how things are translated into english. Particularly by people working off the original text (which is why I started with JPS. You know. pretty much the most authoritative english translation.) Or did you think jewish people working off jewish texts translate into greek, then latin then middle english, etc?
Oh, that's the tone we're taking?
I'm pretty sure you don't understand that translation requires an intimate knowledge on the context of the language at the time. Imagine someone a hundred years from now trying to translate "that's cool, no cap". They'd translate it about a frigid lack of hats.
The drift from the original text is massive, simply because of lingual drift. Let alone the fact that the books weren't written until way after the supposed events, and were then stripped by a group of theologians who decided some texts weren't correct enough.
Yes.
Because you just shat all over entire teams of individuals who have decades of experience, and doctorates (plural, frequently) in the subject.
But I’m sure you know better than they.
It's actually:
You shall not kill.
that word could be translated either as kill or murder, yes.
in the context of exodus 20:13 or Deut. 5:17, it's murder.
You don't have to take my word for it. Sefaria places it as murder. They use the JPS translations
if you're not okay with jewish sources on their own holy books, you're welcome to look at NRSVUE, (which tries to be the most unbiased, not necessarily the most literal,) which also places it as murder or the NIV, or pretty much anything that isn't based off the Darby translation and it's derivatives.
a god of order, how blasphemous can they be.