Nearly a third of Canadians believe U.S. may try to invade Canada: poll
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I wouldn’t run it past Trump; the guy is mentally unstable and a psychopath.
... and the American people are feckless sheep
PS: although I must recognize that, since the murder of Renee Good, it does seem that some are waking up
I am impressed at the amount of downvotes. The US had crossed several thresholds now which would've (and should've) caused Civil wars a while ago or in other countries.
Downvoting the post above confirms it has not yet been understood where the US now stands.
Since Good's murder, I am finally starting to have hope of a successful American Revolution
I think it shows a strange effect about American geography. It's really hard to organize a meaningful, resilient, and camera-worthy resistance because we're so spread out. It's all about congregating at big cities, like LA, Portland or Minneapolis.
Like, if British people wanted to protest and resist in the streets, they go to London. All of them. It's accessible. Americans can't do that with Washington DC.
But I'm in Kansas City, and while our No Kings protests have had not-insignificant turnouts, it's not as easy or impactful because we had three protest sites across two-state suburban area. Can we get that many Kansas Citians to flock to Minneapolis to disrupt ICE ops? No, not really. It's why all the major protest and ICE disruptions happen in the biggest cities of the "blue"-est states.
Charlie Kirk and other right wing stochastic terrorists recruited and bussed people to Washington with the express understanding of what was planned. All we need is one class traitor billionaire willing to do what they always accuse Soros of doing and it could legitimately make some change.
I mean, did the Jan 6 riots accomplish anything?
Discrediting the rule of law, as proven by Merrick Garland and the apathy by Biden.
It’s also winter in Minneapolis, it’d be like Europeans traveling to Norway to protest. America us a lot bigger than any single European country.
And so are Canadians... yikes
Nearly two thirds of Canadians aren't paying attention.
They might not know about their equivalent in the US: Mississippi.
It's really more like Texas. Populous, rich and with major cities that are a lot more progressive.
Do you actually live here, or is this just the theme park version of Alberta?
Ah. Lemmy shits on Alberta in particular so much I get defensive, sorry. Canadian Lemmy seems to overlook the exact same shit in other provinces.
Maple MAGA exists, but it's a pretty tiny minority. Even in rural Alberta most people are pro-Canada.
at this point its becoming a class genocide
To begin with, much of the loud infowarrior rides are also there, trying to import MAGA garbage from south of the border, asides that some of their owners are also avoiding the IRS.
It's both. But your point remains, they will always be Canadians, not Americans. It's curious to me, as a Mexican, that they called themselves Americans. We think of them, some of us at least, as Europeans who took American land for themselves and then usurped the many names actual Americans had with this generic name for white Europeans.
Or they fail to imagine a situation that seems unrealistic.
Or they can't come to terms with it.
Or they are delusional.
Optimism bias. People failed to acknowledge a pandemic was happening until and even while it was happening in their own neighborhood and city...
When the tanks roll in they'll still deny there's an issue.
Can, like, Canada and Denmark invade us instead? I wouldn't have to convince my wife to move out of this shithole
We would bring scary things like free wealthfare with us. And all americans were to accept it. Nonnegotiable. Almost a dictatorship like move.
Don't threaten me with a good time
You MANIACS! YOU
BLEW IT UPMADE US HEALTHIER!But again, that would probably fuck up the business case for Wegovy and other Novo Nordics products and subsequently Denmark's economy. Might be a bad idea. We shouldn't forget about the billionaires and their wealth.
We're waiting until the USA economy collapses under Trump's incompetence and the military refuses orders because they're not being paid. Then we leisurely walk in.
We really appreciate it man.
Unfortunately the fix has to come from inside your own borders. You all have sacrificed way too much funding your military
I always love the duality of comments on this topic. America's military is a Schrodinger's Military at this point, both terrifying and completely non-existent basically depending on what time of day the conversation happens at.
Canadians can't help because the military is so powerful (completely obvious and understandable) but also, like somebody up above said, "Americans are feckless sheep" for not shooting up the White House yet.
Everybody's a hero until it's their life on the line.
Militaries are only as strong as the country's will to continue to fight. The US had great social upheaval for a relatively low casualty war in Vietnam (<60k dead in 8 yr). Compare the casualty rates from Vietnam with what Russia is experiencing in Ukraine (180-480k deaths in 3 yr).
I remember listening to Dan Carlin talk about how wars are typically won by the side that doesn't know when to give up. Early Rome was this way. 1941 USSR was this way. 2026 USA is NOT going to win a drawn out, existential war. We would kill a lot of people, sure, thanks to all the weapons and guns but we don't think we have what it takes to win a major power war anymore.
Fair point, but Americans have more levers they can pull like mass striking and protesting. If Canada were to invade the US, the US would invade back, likely with popular support as they'd just be "defending themselves"
The Dutch can take back NY anytime.
Canada and Mexico should make a mutual defense pact. Being pinched by land wars would make things much rougher for the US.
Truth. We'd have a war on two fronts without ever leaving home.
It would be suicidal
As a Canadian sure, but even together we'd be fucked. Europe is our main hope.
They're definitely invited to my imaginary post-NATO alliance, but I'm curious, why do you bring it up?
Only a third?
It's inevitable. No one should trust the U.S. right now, and countries should be attempting to strengthen relations with each other to deal with the fallout that is bound to occur.
We are already seeing the Axis form, time to make the new Allies kids!
Okay, here's what's actually happening since nobody seems to get the picture.
The Arctic has been melting in recent years, opening up areas that were never accessible before for resource extraction (oil, minerals). This is also why nobody is doing shit about global warming, because the opportunity for profit is too huge.
Canada has claimed ownership over the Arctic and its resources. Greenland/Denmark has claimed ownership as well. America has claimed these areas are in international waters and not ownable by anybody, so it's a free for all. But they know that's a weak position.
If USA takes Greenland, they take the Arctic. That's it, that's all.
Bonus: it's a distraction from Trump's name being all over the Epstein files. Although I'm not sure why he cares so much; his supporters certainly don't. Like he said, he could rape a child in the middle of 5th avenue and he wouldn't lose any votes.
And of course Russia has claimed half of it, because they have about half of the arctic coastline.
Until their coastal refineries start flooding when Antarctica starts melting. Although even Greenland is already worth 7 meters of sea level rise.
But of course all of that is for future generations to worry about. As long as they can squeeze out a bit more profit before they die, it's all good.
This is the most literal "après moi le deluge" ever.
Jusqu'ici tout va bien... Jusqu'ici tout va bien...
... The arctic is huge, like continent-sized. If they take Greenland, they've taken Greenland.
That's also not quite so spooky. Ask the average Joe how much of his salary and lifestyle he's willing to give up to prevent it. The answer is almost nothing. We haven't, because we don't wanna.
Average Joe is in debt and can barely afford rent and groceries and insurance and medical bills, and car payments and you get the idea.
There's not much left to sacrifice.
Well, for one thing, a car is a luxury in most of the world. Ask how people feel about riding on busses. Sometimes the answer is that they can't for some reason, but usually it's just that they prefer a private vehicle and no timetables.
For another, a good potion of the population isn't actually struggling, and has Amazon or Temu stopping by to deliver dumb stuff from China all the time. Like, that entire sector, along with meal delivery, is all about spending surplus income. I'm not talking about the bottom quarter here.
In the US, a car is a necessity not a luxury. Public transportation barely exists in some cities. Bike/scooter transportation is a death sentence.
Speaking as someone who's living car free and has been hit 6 times in the past 4 years, ask me how I know.
Yeah, Canada is the same.
To be honest folks. It isn’t important that I don’t feel better about things. The more urgent fact is that the aforementioned comment is, how do they say it in layman’s terms, very important.
He also wants Greenland so he can cut off Europe's access to Canada
That is not what trump said. He said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave.
omg dude we know he knows everyone knows what are you even doing right now
Whoosh
Only a third? "Believe may" is a very low bar. It's like people who have "considered leaving" their job on the past year, because if you ever had a passing thought like "it might be nice to work there" you fall into that category.
What I'm saying is that this poll is useless and the article is a non-story.
You're wrong saying that it's a non-story. If you'd asked the question ten years ago, it wouldn't be a third. The news is that this possibility has been born. That's big news.
The movie Meet The Robinsons came out in 2007 and takes place in 2037. In that movie, Canada is called North Montana. I remember telling my sister about it and her saying that was ridiculous because there was basically zero chance Canada and the US would go to war within 30 years. It was seemingly completely unfeasible. Now it seems like a real possibility
It’s a “temperature round” tracking nascent anxiety. Not useless but not very specific.
Also I really do not see the US invading canada. It's too large, it's like invading russia.
Its large but the Canadians are mostly concentrated in pockets near the border.
90% south of the northernmost part of the continental united states, international falls, minnesota.
Mostly dependent on how much public attention there currently is on him being a confirmed pedophile.
Am Canadian. I fully believe that within the next year he will be openly talking about invading. Within a couple of could well be done. The guerrilla war will go on for ever though, you can take Canada but you will have a very hard time keeping it.
Am American. We (the broad majority) don't want Canada. or Greenland. or Venezuela. Any of this fascist shit. I'm so fucking sick of this. I want to go back to politics being boring-ish and about deciding what taxes will and won't pay for and having actual friends whom we aren't actively bullying. I wish this scenario were laughable, but it's not.
You are a serf of America. What you want matters exactly as much as what I want here in Canada.
Make America Gray Again?
Unless you get off your collective couches that's all that it is: wishes.
That doesn’t help at all. We are complicit.
No citizenship ever has been in a better position to prevent their government from doing horrible things, and yet we do nothing. We wring our hands and aren’t willing to hurt, let alone die, for what is morally right. The small arms in this country are more than enough to overwhelm the entire place. We have the numbers and the weapons and yes some would have to die. This isn’t even special though, all throughout history people have died for principles, it’s just… we don’t have any.
Are we in a better position to prevent government from doing horrible things? I'm honestly at a loss for what meaningful action the populace should be taking. We've been protesting. Largest single-day mass protests in country history during this term.
We've impeached this president (twice) and each time nothing happened because the elected senate blocked removal.
We do NOT have a strong history of general strikes, we simply don't know how to do it since it has not been done here.
Our populace is not well positioned to fix this except hope that the midterms happen and aren't sufficiently fucked that we sweep democrats back into power and put a check back on the system.
Fellow Canadian. The US has been moderately successful at third generation warfare (so long as they are part of an international coalition, they don't do so hot on their own). They are less successful at fourth generation warfare.
To expand, the goal of third generation warfare is outright victory in a state on state conflict. Fourth generation warfare's goal is to make war very, VERY uncomfortable in an asymmetric conflict. There is no outright victory condition (aside from total annihilation). The USA can look forward to a very generous helping of the latter should they invade Canada.
Which is why i'd find it "hilarious" if he tries any boots-on-the-ground shit in Venezuela.
I almost hope he did just so murica would go though another Vietnam... even then they'd still believe they're the Land of the fee, Home of the grease.
You think Canadians are going to shoot mounties and cops in meaningful numbers?
Yes we will, Asshole.
I hope I'm wrong. But also maybe don't post something that can be used against you to stop you from doing the thing.
What makes us so different than all those highly armed and trained individuals NOT shooting ICE agents right now? Don't fucking call strangers names, shitface.
Individual mounties and city cops will be on the guerilla's side as often as not. Resistance becomes possible because it will be against whatever new collaborateur occupation force, and there could still be a government in exile out there directing and giving it legitimacy.
Of course, we get to live in Afghanistan but with an even harder climate in this scenario. Yaaay. /s
Americans and traitors, the latter of which may include MAGA Canadians. There are currently an uncomfortable number of them (including cops, I suspect) that haven't figured out that announcing your treasonous intentions all over Facebook and Twitter just makes it easier for everyone to know who the enemy is when conflict breaks out. And as the state is usually predisposed during conflict, traitors are typically dealt with by the mob...and the mob has a far less nuanced and humane view of justice.
These MAGA Canadians think it's an edgy joke.
An occupation of Canada would mostly be handled by your own law enforcement, just under new management, though I'm sure a bunch of confederate-flag-pickup Albertans would sign up too, once hiring standards are removed.
Yep, all targets
Britain and France should work together to give a fully equipped nuclear sub to Canada. My country is turning to shit and everyone needs to build nukes to protect themselves from it.
Honestly just the nukes on loan would be enough. There's zero standoff and light defences accross the border. We could supply the uranium or plutonium to make replacements, even.
Failing that, I really hope Carney is eyeing a redundant treaty in case NATO dies.
I hope so too, but as far as I can tell Canada is being run by the second coming of Neville Chamberlain
The question is which Carney was the act, right? The pre-election version, or the one after? Even if he is elbows-up, doing it quietly would be imperative, so it's not impossible.
I think it's when and not if.
Yeah, seems like.
My dude-after the very first threats Trudeau (who was still PM then) went immediately and directly to France to borrow some subs no doubt. France is now sending troops to Greenland. Shit is serious.
Just threaten to send Canadian nuclear reactors into meltdown Chernobyl style. Mutually assured destruction the messy way.
Oh if they try to take one square centimetre they will find out the hard way what assholes Canadians are. Poisoning wells is our specialty. With a smile.
With this fucker in power nukes wouldn't help. He'll just gaslight his cult into thinking his farts protect them from radiation and they start nuking other countries themselves
Wouldn't NATO defend against the US invading Canada so US would have to fight against themselves.
Cute of you to think the US still respects any laws.
The USA is becoming an enemy of NATO and would sooner attack its traditional allies than defend them. And it's looking like the rest of NATO may just chicken out if the USA attacks a NATO member state. We really need a new defensive pact between Europe and other countries in the Americas, particularly Mexico and Canada, independent of the USA. But the USA is aggressive and militarily stronger, so it's a bad situation.
It was a pact made with the devil from the start. This is what happens when the USA gets constantly sucked up to because they are the "powerhouse" of the world. The problems where already obvious due to the flawed way everything is centralized towards this country.
As the point stands, the leaders of other countries are to scared to stand their ground against fascist trump. Of course this may change, but the thing is; signs of inadequacy where there from early on, it's just that only a select few really seemed to care about it.
No. Like the dutch peacekeepers in Albania more like it. The US is Nato.
I hope our military is prepared to do something about it
Deploy the mounties! Elbows up! Horses too!
Mounties, cops will all be deputized to the US side. There is no way they do the right thing when the time comes.
I don't think you've thought very deeply or very seriously about this.
Russia was the second strongest military in the world when they invaded Ukraine, weren't they?
You're a moron.
I don't have serious discussions with anyone who sincerely believes in American exceptionalism, just like I don't have serious discussions with fascists. I am particularly disinclined to have any discussions with an American fascist who clearly has no respect for my country or the former alliance we had with the US. My country has literally bled for you ungrateful pricks, among many other contributions over decades, and I can't think of a single thing you've done but bully us.
Discussing with your camp is never in good faith. You don't believe in words, and there is no evidence or argument that is acceptable. It's a waste of time to bother. Thankfully I believe you're not representative of good Americans, who seem to have had enough of this bullshit.
By the way you should know your insults mean nothing to me. I've been called worse things by better people than you (I'm sure that's a low bar to clear), and I've seen who you look up to. Get back on your knees for your orange daddy, maybe this time he'll finish in your mouth.
We are strengthening ties with European defense
US has lost to Canada each time they have incurred on our borders.
I wouldn't bother, there is nothing to suggest this person is interested in seriously engaging on this topic. For example they seem to think the number of civilian owned firearms is a determining factor, when it hasn't even helped the US to avoid fascism in their own country.
True.
But there's nothing we can do about that. There's only 40 million of us.
It will depend on the world's reaction when he goes for Greenland in a couple of weeks. Most probably nothing will happen so, unless americans sheeps starts a civil war (lol), he will try something on Canada for sure (he already said there's an energy / electricity crisis, that why I suspect he'll go for Quebec first). Most Canadians will probably bend over if they're offered one year of free Amazon delivery and 50% off Netflix. Ford and Smith will collaborate in exchange for being named governors.
Not sure how “the end of NATO” will result in nothing happening! Can you elaborate on how major trade and military and diplomatic agreements will not be withdrawn, and result in no reaction?
Giving the reaction to the clear violation of international agreements in Venezuela, and pretty much every country saying it's ok for the US to invade a country to steal ressouces, I'm not sur what you expect will happen. Greenland will be the official end of NATO and Europe will probably create its own alliance. Knowing Trump's plan to take Canada, they will obviously chicken out and leave us on our own. Most countries have already, or will soon turn far-right, do you expect these leaders to stand up for anything else than themselves?
Canada is running a pretty strong boycott of US products right now. For example of the Canadians planning a trip to the US in 2025 56% of them cancelled it or went to another destination, which is not the US. Seriously airlines are replanning their flights, due to the massive drop in demand. Something similar is happening with US products and services, but some are hard to replace. However Netflix and Amazon are not.
They can't control their southern border from people wandering in, I dunno if they can handle the largest border on earth, whether they try or not
Yeah. Let's say this extremely unlikely thing does happen. There's some kind of false flag attack, like a person wearing a Canadian flag does a suicide bomber attack on the US congress or something. An event that riles up Americans enough that there's enough support for an invasion of Canada that Trump could get away with it.
Now imagine the result of invading a country where almost none of the locals want you there, and all of the locals can pass for Americans. European countries might be too cowardly to actually send their armies against the US for doing that. But, they would almost certainly find a way to fund and train Canadian freedom fighters. The Canadian / American border is completely indefensible. It's simply too big to ever be properly guarded.
So, you'd have Canadians slipping into the US easily, they'd be trained and armed by Europeans, Australians, Japanese, Koreans, and all the other former US allies. And, once in the states they'd have no problem finding support networks to help them attack American targets.
Just because Trump would be insane to try this doesn't mean he wouldn't do it. With their massive propaganda networks in place, they might get a fair number of Americans to support it, at least at first. But, the most they could ever hope for is a Pyrrhic victory.
That's how I see it too, I'm not going to assume they won't try, but I'm not so sure of the success if it goes that way
Unfortunately, even if they didn't succeed, it would be horrible for everybody involved, especially the invaded country. Trump is definitely the type who would wipe Winnipeg off the map if some Winnipegger killed someone important.
Oh, of that I have no doubt of either
At the northern border is a nation of people that look and sound just like them, it would be a nightmare of gorilla warfare
You think we sound like Americans eh? I'm not so sure aboot that
There’s a reason they keep hiring tv presenters from central canada. Neutral sounding accent. All we have to do is make a few vowels more nasal and avoid talking about chesterfield fuckers.
If the bombs go off near the wrong zoo, it'll be pandamonium..
Not just that, most of the northern population would help them
Alright I know im a hairy dude, but I am not a gorilla!
Until about a year ago I would have said that therea no way our people in the military would cooperate. Now with seeing ice do all this heinous shit, yeah our military might actually do it
The propaganda is working!
Soon everyone can cower to this demented administration.
Countries seem woefully unpreprared for the fallout when the US collapses even more than it already has.
It really depends on timeframe suggested.
Ever? Yes, they definitely may.
Parts of it, certainly.
No need to invade when Alberta's government will do anything for oil money.
The UCP in Alberta and the CPC federally, are both so deep in Trumps pocket they’re trading pocket lint and hard mint candies as NFT’s.
The sad part is they try so hard and get no acknowledgment from Trump. Taking control of Venezuela has even created a financial quagmire for the UCP budget. Not that they probably care, they’ll just cut public services to keep the kleptocracy running.
I have the distinct feeling they won’t be calling an early election, if the UCP got what they really wanted, the next Alberta election would be held as an American territory, and the UCP would be running as Republicans.
Thats what they do. Current cabinets way of doing things, force.
Sounds like Canadians are living in denial. If Trump thinks he can get away with it (and he's got a huge ego) he'll absolutely try.
About time. For too long your geese have flouted our border controls with impunity. Fake voting for the democrats too no doubt. Now the wildfire smoke? I was just going to build the wall but we are past that. /s
No matter how dumb you think it will be, it's going to be a whole lot dumber.