I mean that's happened a lot now, there's been many instances of mayors and city councils at odds with their police forces and well... The police have the guns so it usually goes nowhere.
In the city I grew up in the police union ran the police chief out of town after two cops were caught doing drugs on duty in their cruzers. Police chief wanted to regularly drug test his police force saying "if we enforce these laws we better follow these laws." Union took him to court said it violated their rights. He was stalked and harassed by his own police force. The police union won in court. I'd call that defying a direct order and the city yawned and moved on way back in 2007 when it happened.
Source: worked in local news and we ran multiple stories on this over the course of several months. The public was absolutely informed about it.
I'm going to quote something I wrote in June of 2020 regarding the idea of police abolition or replacing current police with new officers while also changing the way policing works entirely:
How often do you think that is likely to be?
So currently there is this huge unaccountable group known as cops, who are effectively above the law and are white supremacists.
When they are out of jobs, they are going to be angry. There is not going to be a force to "police" them and they are used to being able to violently put people down.
Worse, most of them own personal weapons. I mean, they're white supremacists and right wing nutjobs and all.
Meaning it could happen a great deal initially, and would be the very same people currently causing the current riot: cops.
When they lose their jobs, mark my words, this isn't over, and them and the people who support them are heavily armed and regular citizens and the new citizen policing organizations will potentially not be well armed enough to deal with them.
Unless the new President is willing to label them terrorists and enemies of the state and mobilize the military against them... well, I mean, I just don't know how long the violence will last but it will be a long time.
This isn't over by a long shot, these people will not go silent into that good night. Which is fucking horrifying. All I want is for them to go silently into that good night. They will not relinquish their power without a long, bloody fight.
I mean, this article is all about how lawless they are. You don't think they're going to just steal all the weapons and body armor and ammo from each precinct and take them home and act like they have no idea what happened to them all? Who is going to march in and arrest them and enforce it?
I mean, there's actually a whole shitload of these dudes, even though there's more of us. We were already having regular incidents of white supremacist terrorism long before any of this.
Does anyone think that is going to stop because we disbanded the police? If anything, they'll use it as opportunity.
I say this as someone who is 100% on the side of police abolition. But yeah, I think this guy is right that a specialized force of some kind might still be necessary to contain psychotic assholes with high powered weaponry and a history of being lawless pricks.
If the job of protecting their communities is too tough for them they can quit, but if they like the badge and the pension and all the preferential treatment they get from people nows the time to earn it
If there is one policemen arresting an ICE officer, the ICE officer is not allowed to resist the arrest.
If there is one policemen arresting an ICE officer, surrounded by 20 ICE officers, none of the 20 ICE officers are allowed to resist the arrest.
And if they nevertheless do, that gets very interesting in court. Resisting an arrest is not a terribly good idea.
Yeah, something tells me all those words on paper dont mean a lot to either group. Its more about what they think they can get away with in the moment, from what i can tell.
One faction is backed by a fascist government and more money than most world militaries. The other, one city's police force. We learned in history class what the Brown shirts can get away with... This all gets a whole lot worse before anything gets better.
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They need to start deploying resources to protect their citizens from ICE invasion.
That would be police and as they say ACAB because those guys are probably high fiving each other whenever ICE ices someone.
Yeah, but giving them a direct order and having them defy it would be an illuminating moment for the general public to witness
I mean that's happened a lot now, there's been many instances of mayors and city councils at odds with their police forces and well... The police have the guns so it usually goes nowhere.
In the city I grew up in the police union ran the police chief out of town after two cops were caught doing drugs on duty in their cruzers. Police chief wanted to regularly drug test his police force saying "if we enforce these laws we better follow these laws." Union took him to court said it violated their rights. He was stalked and harassed by his own police force. The police union won in court. I'd call that defying a direct order and the city yawned and moved on way back in 2007 when it happened.
Source: worked in local news and we ran multiple stories on this over the course of several months. The public was absolutely informed about it.
And then fire them if they refuse to obey orders. Police are not all powerful.
I'm going to quote something I wrote in June of 2020 regarding the idea of police abolition or replacing current police with new officers while also changing the way policing works entirely:
Cry more.
There are almost 4x as many ICE agents in Minneapolis as there are police officers.
If the job of protecting their communities is too tough for them they can quit, but if they like the badge and the pension and all the preferential treatment they get from people nows the time to earn it
The mayor needs to be ordering the local police to conduct a manhunt for the murderer, raiding and arresting any ICE who try to harbor him.
Arm the population
Please the cops will help ICE unfortunately.
They need to start arresting ICE. Strong words mean nothing.
There are almost 4x as many ICE officers in Minneapolis as there are police officers.
If there is one policemen arresting an ICE officer, the ICE officer is not allowed to resist the arrest. If there is one policemen arresting an ICE officer, surrounded by 20 ICE officers, none of the 20 ICE officers are allowed to resist the arrest.
And if they nevertheless do, that gets very interesting in court. Resisting an arrest is not a terribly good idea.
There’s that story of the girl arrested and one of the charges was “not following a lawful order”. Which seems like a BS charge.
If it’s good enough for arresting civilians, it should be good enough for ICE too.
Yeah, something tells me all those words on paper dont mean a lot to either group. Its more about what they think they can get away with in the moment, from what i can tell.
One faction is backed by a fascist government and more money than most world militaries. The other, one city's police force. We learned in history class what the Brown shirts can get away with... This all gets a whole lot worse before anything gets better.
Didn't realize they could just leave after murdering someone. Maybe fucking arrest them all?
Whose side do you think most city cops are on?
I'll give you a hint: not on the citizens side.
"Get the fuck out" for those wondering
Get the FUCK out, specifically.
Thanks! That makes much more sense than "fork".
"Wait, why can't I say fork?"
Or "folk"
Also technically the article doesn't specify the length of the F-word used, it could have also been "Fahrvergnügen."
I prefer funionburger but it's okay to be different.
Now you're just making shit up dude
i thought it was get the f, dash, dash, dash out
Get the fo out?
It's spelled faux, actually!
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Don't tell them. Force them.
"That [murder] is on you, and it's also on you to leave."
Translation: Nothing will be done and I hope ICE leave on their own accord.
based mayor
Frey is an ass, this is a broken clock being right
So what is he gonna do about it? Talk is cheap.
Nothing. It's up to the people.
Then what are the people gonna do about it?
We will see.
So it has happened. My condelences to family and friends, but also to all other victims of MAGA.
It all goes into Santas book under naughty. But will he come?
Santa always comes, but at least he's a gentleman about it
Is there a vid link? I’d like to see this “attempt to run over ice.”
Progressivepolitics has a lot with a link. It’s pretty obvious it was murder.