I don't understand why they hide the names of these folks. Let them get harassed on LinkedIn for their nonsensical, unhelpful opinions they posted with their whole chests...
In this case it's all well and good, just a bit of ragabaiting, but I still believe those who actually post these insane and hurtful things (people exchange their life and health for someone else's profit, they shouldn't discuss what the going rate is?) should be shamed, at least boo'd.
Yeah sure, if indeed it happens outside of the realm of parody. But otherwise it’s the equivalent of getting annoyed by every The Onion post, where the intent is already to satirise those people.
Blocked, not bullied. It's just a shame that conflict creates 'engagement'. If don't feed the trolls was part of the modern internet, wed all be much better off.
Ummm... Isn't the reason we're here because we don't have to use our real names?
I could try to follow the name YappyMonotheist around trying to bully you and you could just get a new name, go though a different server, and go on your merry way.
If you think I'm not yapping about God IRL with my chest (and my phone number if anyone wants to continue talking cause faith and philosophy fascinate me!) then you're sorely mistaken, lol. But regardless, you or anyone, knowingly or not, could murder me too! That's not the point, the question is: is it merited and would that create a change in the world for the better? Or am I just a villain? In the case of the LinkedIn capitalist slave trader that doesn't even want people to care or talk about the price they're selling their time at, I think it does merit it and it would create a better world!
I just think it's ironic you're making this argument on an anonymous forum. You've got the sense not to put your telephone number in this thread because you'd exchange the squirt gun of IRL conversation for the firehose of even as small (compared to the r-hug of death, for instance)
an internet source as Lemmy.
No, I'm just a bit paranoid and I don't want any white supremacist islamophobe to shank me. Or even hack me or whatever. I don't win anything from it. But I argue this way IRL comfortably because at least I can tell if the person in front is a maniac or not, lol. You don't know if I have social media where I am posting away the things I post here too... I don't, btw, cause I get it all out IRL and social media just means my friends unknowingly ragebait me with their uncooked takes, but I could've! Finally, if Lemmy was a site where everyone had to give their phone number to participate, then sure, we'd all be on the same level, but randomly giving my number here? 🤔
Had to cut an interview short today. Everything was going great until the interviewer dropped the dreaded R-word: Responsibility.
Like, really? We're talking about a once-in-a-lifetime employment opportunity here, and they want to focus on labor? Priorities, people...back to the jobs pool we go.
Talking about "Taking Responsibility" is a huge red flag.
I manage people. When I talk about responsibility, I'm talking about my responsibility to deliver results, because I am fucking expensive.
When my VP talks about responsibility, they had better be talking about their own responsibility, because they are even more expensive than I am.
A leader who talks about "getting others to take responsibility" immediately makes me assume they are overpaid. Taking responsibility is their whole job. They shouldn't talk about it, they shouldn't ask for help with it, they should be responsible, be likeable, hire good staff, and clear obstacles.
I find that when I choose to be the responsible person in the room, and I manage to be likeable - people tend to watch my back, and the things I said were important tend to get done.
It's nice when places let you know they are a toxic environment before the interview is even over. Gives you a chance to move on before you get stuck working there.
The problem is if the company is good but just the hiring manager is awfull. You might actually miss a once in a livetime opportunity because one person is a self absorbed shithead. And after you are hired you would never meet them again
You're not wrong. But having a shitty hiring manager is a decent heuristic for having a shitty culture/company.
If your server was covered in shit, the food might still be excellent. But odds are the rest of the staff is similarily poorly treated/chosen, and regardless they'll still have touched your plate...
When I was hunting for a job after being furloughed a year into COVID I was getting lots of callbacks for interviews.
After doing a few interviews and waiting until the job offer for compensation I got sick of all the clearly delusional people expecting a sysadmin to work for tier 1 support pay.
I switched gears. First question I asked to each callback was the salary range. I wasn't going to waste my time.
It saved me loads of time on bullshit positions and the "wear all these hats" postings with skewed pay.
I accidentally laughed and then apologized to one poor recruiter when she told me it was $15/hr.
I ended up at a place about $10k/year less than my last job but it was 80% work from home instead of 100% on site.
I once sat through a two-stage interview for fairly niche job that I was exceptionally skilled at and had 8 years experience in. Then they mentioned the $21.00 an hour while rattling off the rest of the job conditions and I stopped the guy and made him repeat it. We both sat in silence for like 20 seconds and then I was like "Alright, should I go? I'm gonna go." And just sort of awkwardly left.
A couple months later I got a salaried full-time position starting at more than twice that rate for the same sort of work.
One company i worked at lost their contract and I got laid off. A week later the same company called me and offered a position under a different contract at a different site for a 20% pay cut. I laughed at them and said nah, i can't go backwards. Collected unemployment and found a different job at my previous rate a few weeks later.
I worked at a place that decided, because they were stupid in more ways than just this, that Systems Administrators were entry level, Systems Engineers were experienced, and DevOps were the top of the heap. (My preference is that these represent different sets of skills.) Many companies will pick a different random order.
(Actually, I interviewed many people with the same opinion.)
So it pays to mix up the words used. While they are all fools, no one is going to change based on my opinion.
Beyond the title. The list of responsibilities needs to match the salary.
The number of companies that mix and match responsibilities from different skillsets and expect below market rates is mind boggling.
I started applying to jobs outside my skillset. If I matched 40% of the requirements and tailored my resume to the posting I got better matches.
Landed a step down remote gig. Never stopped job hunting. Found a solid step up 6 months later. Jumped ship. I still kept shopping for a new gig. Stayed because they promoted me 3 times in a years.
At will employment. That means they can drop you when they want but you can also leave when you want.
Betting industry consultant and proprietary trader
No loss to the candidate.
Sounds like a vile narcissist, expecting people to be so grateful just to have the opportunity to be in the presence of their unethical ruthless brilliance. XD
I love this. In my field we often say something like "this is mission-critical? Did the architects know? It's not been designed to proper spec, you know, and that's a safety issue." But, #union, so it's different.
So often, it's deemed crucial but not really set up as if it were, and there's the parallel with a "lifetime" opportunity architected like a joe-job.
For my current job, I finally managed to stand firm in negotiations. They wanted to start me at the lowest option, but I argued for my experience in the field, interests, and personality traits that would be an asset. They came back to me later and said they'd bumped me up to the highest starting wage. Thank goodness! It's been a journey to own my self-worth and find the confidence to demand a higher number. I'm glad I did. This job has a rare team of management that actually listens to their employees, so I know I lucked out.
I mean, maybe its not shit money. Maybe its sitting squarely on top of the salary median for the career and years experience. Maybe it really is a good offer. Idfk.
But employers act like you're applying for "The One Job That Exists" rather than juggling competing offers. I've bid my own existing company against new hire offers multiple times. And, every time, my existing employer countered with a better offer.
If you don't offer me a salary, why the fuck would I leave my current job? I have decades of experience. I have a very particular set of useful skills. I have friends all over the industry. I've got more than one "Once In A Lifetime Opportunity" to choose from.
Not a bad bet, all things considered. I've seen jobs that offer "minimum wage starting" and then make you jump through a bunch of annoying hoops to get up to the $20-$25/hr line. It's basically a way to fuck over summer hires and seasonal/migrant workers.
Oh, I could bitch about this for hours. Minimum wage starting, but cross-train and we'll bump your pay by a dollar for every role you're certified in! Will we ever schedule your certification? Hell no! Contribute to our Continuous Improvement program to get bonuses! Do we ever actually process CI tickets to completion? lol no get fucked buddy, anyway you're staying late tonight because the VP just sold another 100 units we don't even have the parts for yet and we've scheduled delivery for Sunday.
Ahem. Anyway, I think we're coming at this from different perspectives and our experiences with the job market differ accordingly. You've got a network and an impressive CV, and my skills are harder (for me, at least) to express on paper and I'm more or less disposable. So whereas they try to sell stuff that may or may not be a good deal to you as "the opportunity of a lifetime" they use the same gilding to try to get me to huff paint for 12 hours a day. I'm not sure where I was going with this but thank you for listening.
edit: realizing now that this post amounts to me complaining about my lot in life but I wanna clarify that I respect most career professionals and I do recognize that you guys work hard too.
Hey buddy. If they're hiring, you're not disposable. Managers come in a variety of flavors. Sometimes you get Peppermint Stupid. But also know your labor is worth more than their salary and without you their bills don't get paid.
There's power in a union. But even on your own, you can exert a surprising amount of leverage by finding your niche, establishing your criticality, and then setting boundaries on when you're going to work. When other workers see you getting "special treatment", and when you encourage them to stick up for themselves in turn, you can change the culture of an office through collective stubbornness. Or, at the very least, you can get an obnoxious assistant/middle manager shit-canned for failing to meet their own numbers.
But yeah, professionalization adds a lot more (corporately perceived) value to your resume. Once the business has handcuffed itself to college degrees and years experience, the employees discover a lot more freedom.
Yeah a once in a lifetime opportunity is a mentorship for a person new to their career that will set them up for huge success in the future. When you have experience, skills, and contacts all they can offer you is money, benefits, and perks, and the money better be the headliner there
Everybody works for money Karen. Your company is not so great to be working for free. And I bet you also work for a salary.
As a tangent to this post: why dafuq people always asks "WhY dO yOu WaNt To WoRk HeRe???" Bitch I need to work to get money, otherwise I would be trafficking drugs for your kids Karen
I've asked people "why are you applying to this role at this company, out of all the options?"
Honest answers like "it uses a tech stack I like and the salary is competitive" are fine. Sycophantic answers like "I just really believe in your mission and company values" are less endearing.
Yeah, I don't like the question because it seems like it's fishing for a sycophantic answer. But, it's good to give the candidate an opportunity to explain why this role is a particularly good fit for them, and why they'd be happier and/or more likely to stick around if they got the job.
I think the point is that everyone works for money, wherever they work. The question is about why you choose that company to earn a salary, rather than another.
I think it's a good thing that companies have to compete for candidates with more than just salary. Job conditions are also important. Holiday days, parental leave, WFH etc. However, it needs to be in the contract.
There is a lot to be said about secondary benefits, but also work environment. I've seen way too many times people get lured with money, just end up working for the big 4 in consultancy and having a miserable life
why dafuq people always asks “WhY dO yOu WaNt To WoRk HeRe???”
As often as not, I field this question with a straightforward "I have X years in the industry and you seemed like a promising fit." I might even gush about how wonderful the place looks and how charming the people are. Or note that it seems like your business is growing and how exciting it would be to join a team with such a bright future.
Like, I hate the question as much as anybody. But its so fucking boilerplate, I have to question why people are even mad at it. You've got a rookie pitcher sending one straight down the middle. Shove a rainbow up the interviewer's ass and move on. If they keep coming back to it, that's a red flag. But if they're just reading off "How to Hire Someone 101" ChatGPT notes, you should be able to breeze through the most predictable set of questions imaginable.
That's how my sibling usually did it. His resume, talent and creds are astounding; but he doesn't mention to the interviewer that he's running the competition, not them.
He does use the proper language "I'm sorry to inform you that you haven't been selected in this round of competition, but I wish you every success," etc. It's been different in this era of mass lay-offs and the upended power dynamic, even for the elite candidates, but typically he'd start with an opportunity pool of about 50, and bring it to about 20 after an initial interview; 5 after the second interview.
Pfffsh I told a recruiter I didn't think there was opportunity grow in a role after looking up info on the company/reviews/their hiring (let alone the wording of their "confidential" job sheet)....response was that they send people to Tony Robbins seminars. Had to look him up, dodged a bullet there I think
It is the law in my region that job adverts viewable from here must include a salary range.
Yes it's not easy to enforce. Since a visible salary an equality thing, it's possible to flag the incomplete posting as discriminatory issue and have it pulled, though.
They cheese out with a $100-500k salary; and everyone knows it's cheeseball.
But it's the law. This dinkweed is discriminating over applicants using protected speech to ask about a detail missing in the advert, and we all find out he is chauvinist in the end.
By 2026, the EU's Pay Transparency Directive mandates salary disclosure in job ads, bans asking salary history, requires pay gap reporting (phased by size), and gives employees rights to pay info to tackle gender pay gaps, with member states implementing national rules by June 7, 2026, affecting all EU employers and non-EU firms with EU staff.
Why is asking about salary a big no-no, but negotiating boni and stock options is perfectly valid for executive positions?
Why do employees have to sign contracts in which they agree not to disclose their salary to anyone, but their employer discloses all their employees' salaries to specialized service providers in exchange for those of their competition?
People talking about their salaries is oftentimes seen as goush. Because only bad poor people are concerned with how much money they're being paid and you're not a bad poor person right? A good person will accept whatever their employer considers fair compensation for their work, doesn't complain and doesn't talk about it. You wouldn't want to be a bad person would you?
I once left out the s-word until after I agreed to the job and signed the contract. Let us just say that even if that person was dead I would want to desecrate their grave.
The story of that job, and it was my first job out of college, is one of the worst and most absolutely unbelievable stories that have happened to me, and the effect of that job still lingers on in my mind and affects how I view professionalism at work. It is honestly extremely embarassing.
I don't hang out on LinkedIn reading social posts. If I'm there, it's too check job posts or answer direct messages from recruiters. Do idiots like this not get blasted by everyone for these asinine tasks? Or are all the people that actually participate in the LinkedIn social feed as deluded as them?
My guy, this entire community is based around people who post shit like this all the time in complete earnestness. I dont think that its as "obvious" as you do that this particular case is satire. But even if it is, that is only confirmation that plenty enough people post shit like this being serious that there is something to even satirize about it. So, whether or not this specific guy is making a joke, my comment and question about serious LinkedIn posts like it still stands. But you in particular who calls people idiots for participating in the purpose of the community they are in, and acts like a smarmy asshole about it too... you can fuck off.
Asking about the salary makes you sound kinda desperate, or uninformed, if you do it in a physical interview.
Wait until they make a offer then counter, or say you have a better offer, etc
Generally you can use resources to know the range of a company before going to a physical interview. Before the physical interview asking the recruiter the expected pay bands for this position is also fine. Recruiters understand.
I don't have time for that, I need to know what to invest my time in and if it's a no because of salary, I need to know that as soon as possible. Not many people live in a world where salary is not very very important to their living.
Asking about the salary makes you sound kinda desperate
this is trite bullshit. it's literally one of the components of an interview. STOP THINKING AN INTERVIEW IS A ONE WAY INTERROGATION. It's not. Or it's not supposed to be for fucks sake, you're interviewing them at the same fucking time and those interactions have informed PLENTY of jobs I chose not to take.
I don't understand why they hide the names of these folks. Let them get harassed on LinkedIn for their nonsensical, unhelpful opinions they posted with their whole chests...
A boss using AI to create a cartoon that ridicules the importance of salary to employees is the height of irony
Even more ironic “betting industry consultant.” Literally works in an obsessive “get rich quick” industry and is mad someone wants to get paid
It's satire, and probably stolen from this guy:
In this case it's all well and good, just a bit of ragabaiting, but I still believe those who actually post these insane and hurtful things (people exchange their life and health for someone else's profit, they shouldn't discuss what the going rate is?) should be shamed, at least boo'd.
Yeah sure, if indeed it happens outside of the realm of parody. But otherwise it’s the equivalent of getting annoyed by every The Onion post, where the intent is already to satirise those people.
Could well be parody, or just simple rage bait.
Let them get bullied and blocked for their ragebait! We are all responsible for the words that come out of our mouths/typed on online spaces. 🤷
Blocked, not bullied. It's just a shame that conflict creates 'engagement'. If don't feed the trolls was part of the modern internet, wed all be much better off.
Scolded not bullied then.
Ummm... Isn't the reason we're here because we don't have to use our real names?
I could try to follow the name YappyMonotheist around trying to bully you and you could just get a new name, go though a different server, and go on your merry way.
If you think I'm not yapping about God IRL with my chest (and my phone number if anyone wants to continue talking cause faith and philosophy fascinate me!) then you're sorely mistaken, lol. But regardless, you or anyone, knowingly or not, could murder me too! That's not the point, the question is: is it merited and would that create a change in the world for the better? Or am I just a villain? In the case of the LinkedIn capitalist slave trader that doesn't even want people to care or talk about the price they're selling their time at, I think it does merit it and it would create a better world!
I just think it's ironic you're making this argument on an anonymous forum. You've got the sense not to put your telephone number in this thread because you'd exchange the squirt gun of IRL conversation for the firehose of even as small (compared to the r-hug of death, for instance) an internet source as Lemmy.
No, I'm just a bit paranoid and I don't want any white supremacist islamophobe to shank me. Or even hack me or whatever. I don't win anything from it. But I argue this way IRL comfortably because at least I can tell if the person in front is a maniac or not, lol. You don't know if I have social media where I am posting away the things I post here too... I don't, btw, cause I get it all out IRL and social media just means my friends unknowingly ragebait me with their uncooked takes, but I could've! Finally, if Lemmy was a site where everyone had to give their phone number to participate, then sure, we'd all be on the same level, but randomly giving my number here? 🤔
Had to cut an interview short today. Everything was going great until the interviewer dropped the dreaded R-word: Responsibility.
Like, really? We're talking about a once-in-a-lifetime employment opportunity here, and they want to focus on labor? Priorities, people...back to the jobs pool we go.
Yes!
Talking about "Taking Responsibility" is a huge red flag.
I manage people. When I talk about responsibility, I'm talking about my responsibility to deliver results, because I am fucking expensive.
When my VP talks about responsibility, they had better be talking about their own responsibility, because they are even more expensive than I am.
A leader who talks about "getting others to take responsibility" immediately makes me assume they are overpaid. Taking responsibility is their whole job. They shouldn't talk about it, they shouldn't ask for help with it, they should be responsible, be likeable, hire good staff, and clear obstacles.
I find that when I choose to be the responsible person in the room, and I manage to be likeable - people tend to watch my back, and the things I said were important tend to get done.
It's nice when places let you know they are a toxic environment before the interview is even over. Gives you a chance to move on before you get stuck working there.
The problem is if the company is good but just the hiring manager is awfull. You might actually miss a once in a livetime opportunity because one person is a self absorbed shithead. And after you are hired you would never meet them again
If they do a shitty job hiring a hiring manager, they probably mess up a lot more in less critical places too
You're not wrong. But having a shitty hiring manager is a decent heuristic for having a shitty culture/company.
If your server was covered in shit, the food might still be excellent. But odds are the rest of the staff is similarily poorly treated/chosen, and regardless they'll still have touched your plate...
When I was hunting for a job after being furloughed a year into COVID I was getting lots of callbacks for interviews.
After doing a few interviews and waiting until the job offer for compensation I got sick of all the clearly delusional people expecting a sysadmin to work for tier 1 support pay.
I switched gears. First question I asked to each callback was the salary range. I wasn't going to waste my time.
It saved me loads of time on bullshit positions and the "wear all these hats" postings with skewed pay.
I accidentally laughed and then apologized to one poor recruiter when she told me it was $15/hr.
I ended up at a place about $10k/year less than my last job but it was 80% work from home instead of 100% on site.
I once sat through a two-stage interview for fairly niche job that I was exceptionally skilled at and had 8 years experience in. Then they mentioned the $21.00 an hour while rattling off the rest of the job conditions and I stopped the guy and made him repeat it. We both sat in silence for like 20 seconds and then I was like "Alright, should I go? I'm gonna go." And just sort of awkwardly left.
A couple months later I got a salaried full-time position starting at more than twice that rate for the same sort of work.
Do it on purpose and don't apologize next time.
One company i worked at lost their contract and I got laid off. A week later the same company called me and offered a position under a different contract at a different site for a 20% pay cut. I laughed at them and said nah, i can't go backwards. Collected unemployment and found a different job at my previous rate a few weeks later.
I worked at a place that decided, because they were stupid in more ways than just this, that Systems Administrators were entry level, Systems Engineers were experienced, and DevOps were the top of the heap. (My preference is that these represent different sets of skills.) Many companies will pick a different random order.
(Actually, I interviewed many people with the same opinion.)
So it pays to mix up the words used. While they are all fools, no one is going to change based on my opinion.
Beyond the title. The list of responsibilities needs to match the salary.
The number of companies that mix and match responsibilities from different skillsets and expect below market rates is mind boggling.
I started applying to jobs outside my skillset. If I matched 40% of the requirements and tailored my resume to the posting I got better matches.
Landed a step down remote gig. Never stopped job hunting. Found a solid step up 6 months later. Jumped ship. I still kept shopping for a new gig. Stayed because they promoted me 3 times in a years.
At will employment. That means they can drop you when they want but you can also leave when you want.
No loss to the candidate.
Sounds like a vile narcissist, expecting people to be so grateful just to have the opportunity to be in the presence of their unethical ruthless brilliance. XD
https://x.com/salmanso_/status/2004011126364033110
It’s 9:00 pm on Christmas Eve.
Not a single Kalshi engineer has left the office.
There’s levels to this.
I don't accept an interview unless I have a clear idea of what kind of salary I can expect
But how could you not blindly accept this once in a lifetime
internshipopportunity?!?"Once in a lifetime career opportunity" by someone working in betting industry. Yeah, I doubt it.
Both are hilariously meaningless job titles and yet I haven't come a cross a single person in this thread that's not taking it seriously.
Already know the replies incoming; "Yeah, but there's plenty of nutty stiff like this on LinkedIn, how is anyone to know?"
If it really were a once in a lifetime career opportunity, then the salary would reflect that.
I love this. In my field we often say something like "this is mission-critical? Did the architects know? It's not been designed to proper spec, you know, and that's a safety issue." But, #union, so it's different.
So often, it's deemed crucial but not really set up as if it were, and there's the parallel with a "lifetime" opportunity architected like a joe-job.
lol my current boss's first question in the interview was "can you work for $__ because that's all I can give you, not my decision."
Old school bosses are difficult in many ways, but they do at least realize why you're there and what keeps you coming back.
For my current job, I finally managed to stand firm in negotiations. They wanted to start me at the lowest option, but I argued for my experience in the field, interests, and personality traits that would be an asset. They came back to me later and said they'd bumped me up to the highest starting wage. Thank goodness! It's been a journey to own my self-worth and find the confidence to demand a higher number. I'm glad I did. This job has a rare team of management that actually listens to their employees, so I know I lucked out.
Once in a lifetime opportunity to make shit money, more like.
I mean, maybe its not shit money. Maybe its sitting squarely on top of the salary median for the career and years experience. Maybe it really is a good offer. Idfk.
But employers act like you're applying for "The One Job That Exists" rather than juggling competing offers. I've bid my own existing company against new hire offers multiple times. And, every time, my existing employer countered with a better offer.
If you don't offer me a salary, why the fuck would I leave my current job? I have decades of experience. I have a very particular set of useful skills. I have friends all over the industry. I've got more than one "Once In A Lifetime Opportunity" to choose from.
Maybe it's because I'm hourly but if there's no pay listed I treat the offer as if it's minimum wage.
Not a bad bet, all things considered. I've seen jobs that offer "minimum wage starting" and then make you jump through a bunch of annoying hoops to get up to the $20-$25/hr line. It's basically a way to fuck over summer hires and seasonal/migrant workers.
Oh, I could bitch about this for hours. Minimum wage starting, but cross-train and we'll bump your pay by a dollar for every role you're certified in! Will we ever schedule your certification? Hell no! Contribute to our Continuous Improvement program to get bonuses! Do we ever actually process CI tickets to completion? lol no get fucked buddy, anyway you're staying late tonight because the VP just sold another 100 units we don't even have the parts for yet and we've scheduled delivery for Sunday.
Ahem. Anyway, I think we're coming at this from different perspectives and our experiences with the job market differ accordingly. You've got a network and an impressive CV, and my skills are harder (for me, at least) to express on paper and I'm more or less disposable. So whereas they try to sell stuff that may or may not be a good deal to you as "the opportunity of a lifetime" they use the same gilding to try to get me to huff paint for 12 hours a day. I'm not sure where I was going with this but thank you for listening.
edit: realizing now that this post amounts to me complaining about my lot in life but I wanna clarify that I respect most career professionals and I do recognize that you guys work hard too.
Hey buddy. If they're hiring, you're not disposable. Managers come in a variety of flavors. Sometimes you get Peppermint Stupid. But also know your labor is worth more than their salary and without you their bills don't get paid.
There's power in a union. But even on your own, you can exert a surprising amount of leverage by finding your niche, establishing your criticality, and then setting boundaries on when you're going to work. When other workers see you getting "special treatment", and when you encourage them to stick up for themselves in turn, you can change the culture of an office through collective stubbornness. Or, at the very least, you can get an obnoxious assistant/middle manager shit-canned for failing to meet their own numbers.
But yeah, professionalization adds a lot more (corporately perceived) value to your resume. Once the business has handcuffed itself to college degrees and years experience, the employees discover a lot more freedom.
Yeah a once in a lifetime opportunity is a mentorship for a person new to their career that will set them up for huge success in the future. When you have experience, skills, and contacts all they can offer you is money, benefits, and perks, and the money better be the headliner there
Everybody works for money Karen. Your company is not so great to be working for free. And I bet you also work for a salary.
As a tangent to this post: why dafuq people always asks "WhY dO yOu WaNt To WoRk HeRe???" Bitch I need to work to get money, otherwise I would be trafficking drugs for your kids Karen
I've asked people "why are you applying to this role at this company, out of all the options?"
Honest answers like "it uses a tech stack I like and the salary is competitive" are fine. Sycophantic answers like "I just really believe in your mission and company values" are less endearing.
Yeah, I don't like the question because it seems like it's fishing for a sycophantic answer. But, it's good to give the candidate an opportunity to explain why this role is a particularly good fit for them, and why they'd be happier and/or more likely to stick around if they got the job.
So what you are saying is that if you didn’t have to work to get money you would traffic drugs for kids? You son of a bitch, I’m in.
Sackler Family Values
I think the point is that everyone works for money, wherever they work. The question is about why you choose that company to earn a salary, rather than another.
I think it's a good thing that companies have to compete for candidates with more than just salary. Job conditions are also important. Holiday days, parental leave, WFH etc. However, it needs to be in the contract.
"Why this company specifically?"
"Because I've applied for 40 jobs, and you are the only one to call me back. I don't even know what you do."
There is a lot to be said about secondary benefits, but also work environment. I've seen way too many times people get lured with money, just end up working for the big 4 in consultancy and having a miserable life
As often as not, I field this question with a straightforward "I have X years in the industry and you seemed like a promising fit." I might even gush about how wonderful the place looks and how charming the people are. Or note that it seems like your business is growing and how exciting it would be to join a team with such a bright future.
Like, I hate the question as much as anybody. But its so fucking boilerplate, I have to question why people are even mad at it. You've got a rookie pitcher sending one straight down the middle. Shove a rainbow up the interviewer's ass and move on. If they keep coming back to it, that's a red flag. But if they're just reading off "How to Hire Someone 101" ChatGPT notes, you should be able to breeze through the most predictable set of questions imaginable.
Tell me your pay ranges suck without saying your pay ranges suck.
I am a once in a lifetime employee. I'm interviewing the company.
That's how my sibling usually did it. His resume, talent and creds are astounding; but he doesn't mention to the interviewer that he's running the competition, not them.
He does use the proper language "I'm sorry to inform you that you haven't been selected in this round of competition, but I wish you every success," etc. It's been different in this era of mass lay-offs and the upended power dynamic, even for the elite candidates, but typically he'd start with an opportunity pool of about 50, and bring it to about 20 after an initial interview; 5 after the second interview.
My god that's a ton of effort
Pfffsh I told a recruiter I didn't think there was opportunity grow in a role after looking up info on the company/reviews/their hiring (let alone the wording of their "confidential" job sheet)....response was that they send people to Tony Robbins seminars. Had to look him up, dodged a bullet there I think
It is the law in my region that job adverts viewable from here must include a salary range.
Yes it's not easy to enforce. Since a visible salary an equality thing, it's possible to flag the incomplete posting as discriminatory issue and have it pulled, though.
They cheese out with a $100-500k salary; and everyone knows it's cheeseball.
But it's the law. This dinkweed is discriminating over applicants using protected speech to ask about a detail missing in the advert, and we all find out he is chauvinist in the end.
How to know if a company is dishonest, level 1.
AI slop overview:
And by your career opportunity, they mean their career opportunities.
Every chapter of the Cult of Humans as Resources has their own forbidden words.
I've only known one cool HR person...they fired her a year after I quit
they are kind o fa weird cult, aren't they
Isn't that an AI image
Honestly, looks like a half-step above Corporate Memphis clipart.
Par for the course for LinkedIn
ppl who don't realize that a job interview is both ways...
I don't even apply for jobs that don't post salary info anymore. My time is valuable too.
If the salary is not in the job ad, then I don't apply. It is a very obvious red flag that the company is not going to treat you well.
Salary: £competitive
Competitive with a Bangladeshi sweatshop.
Ugh yes "competitive" is so annoying. In other words "we'll pay you the minimum we can get away with"
Why is asking about salary a big no-no, but negotiating boni and stock options is perfectly valid for executive positions?
Why do employees have to sign contracts in which they agree not to disclose their salary to anyone, but their employer discloses all their employees' salaries to specialized service providers in exchange for those of their competition?
It's illegal for them to restrict you from talking about salary. In the US at least. Pretty sure that's at the federal level too.
People talking about their salaries is oftentimes seen as goush. Because only bad poor people are concerned with how much money they're being paid and you're not a bad poor person right? A good person will accept whatever their employer considers fair compensation for their work, doesn't complain and doesn't talk about it. You wouldn't want to be a bad person would you?
Gauche. It's one of those words that spell check forgets about.
Don't you know they're Better Than You? You're supposed to humbly thank your corporate masters for the shit wage they offer.
Please please tell me this is parody.
Pretty sure it is. The job title of the OP in pic looks like it's a parody as well.
I once left out the s-word until after I agreed to the job and signed the contract. Let us just say that even if that person was dead I would want to desecrate their grave.
They don't even put it in the contract? What the fuck!
The story of that job, and it was my first job out of college, is one of the worst and most absolutely unbelievable stories that have happened to me, and the effect of that job still lingers on in my mind and affects how I view professionalism at work. It is honestly extremely embarassing.
the image is essential to the post, i couldnt imagine one without it
I don't hang out on LinkedIn reading social posts. If I'm there, it's too check job posts or answer direct messages from recruiters. Do idiots like this not get blasted by everyone for these asinine tasks? Or are all the people that actually participate in the LinkedIn social feed as deluded as them?
^ Can' spot obvious satire, call other people idiots.
I'll give you a hint, not only is a clearly rage bait, look at this job title.
My guy, this entire community is based around people who post shit like this all the time in complete earnestness. I dont think that its as "obvious" as you do that this particular case is satire. But even if it is, that is only confirmation that plenty enough people post shit like this being serious that there is something to even satirize about it. So, whether or not this specific guy is making a joke, my comment and question about serious LinkedIn posts like it still stands. But you in particular who calls people idiots for participating in the purpose of the community they are in, and acts like a smarmy asshole about it too... you can fuck off.
Pay? Remuneration? Wage? Earnings? Compensation?
Asking about the salary makes you sound kinda desperate, or uninformed, if you do it in a physical interview.
Wait until they make a offer then counter, or say you have a better offer, etc
Generally you can use resources to know the range of a company before going to a physical interview. Before the physical interview asking the recruiter the expected pay bands for this position is also fine. Recruiters understand.
Typically the interview is about evaluating and verifying the info on the resume
You can train anyone it's just a matter of time and money...
I don't have time for that, I need to know what to invest my time in and if it's a no because of salary, I need to know that as soon as possible. Not many people live in a world where salary is not very very important to their living.
don't go to a physical interview until you have satisfied yourself on the companies pay bands
Or any interview beyond first screening.
this is trite bullshit. it's literally one of the components of an interview. STOP THINKING AN INTERVIEW IS A ONE WAY INTERROGATION. It's not. Or it's not supposed to be for fucks sake, you're interviewing them at the same fucking time and those interactions have informed PLENTY of jobs I chose not to take.