Spyke
DaddleDewreply
lemmy.world

"Wait, it's all Ukraine?"

"Always has been."

🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

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midwest.social

I was already born, so my chances of being born elsewhere are actually much lower, I think

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It's the next logical step after so many Raptures, ya know? 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Death is on the rise, as is India's GDP. So don't rule out reincarnation.

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sh.itjust.works

That's an odd way to divide it up. Without Mexico, the US would be much, much lower. Every continent map shows Russia as part of Asia.

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Skuareply
kbin.earth

For this specific purpose it probably does make sense to consider Russia part of Europe. If we go by the common Europe-Asia dividing line of the Ural mountains then a large majority of Russia's population is in the European half, so most Russian births are probably in the European bit

The weird thing about the Americas to me is that only Mexico, the US, and Canada are counted. I don't think I've ever seen anyone that draws a dividing line between North and South America do so anywhere except at the Darien Gap, nor have I seen anyone put all of the Caribbean islands in South America. Iberoamerica or similar cultural region terms, sure, but South America the continent?

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pelespiritreply
sh.itjust.works

Well, the person that made this is making russia very happy that they they are now European, lol.

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Skuareply
kbin.earth

As I understand it, Russia actually tends to reject the notion of a separate Europe and Asia. They prefer a six-continent model with Eurasia as one thing

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feddit.org

Maybe, as the capital of russia is in Europe, russia is counted as Europe, while Turkey is counted to Asia, as its capital is in its Asian part.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

Well, yeah. The definition of "continent" is arbitrary.

I could argue that there are only four, for instance (America, Afro-Eurasia, Antarctica, and Australia).

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CanadaPlusreply
lemmy.sdf.org

And then at that rate, Greenland could be counted, or Australia and Antarctica left out.

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Skuareply
kbin.earth

Well yes, it is entirely arbitrary. One of the most agreed-upon factors is that "at least as big as Australia" is a requirement, but there's no hard reason for that requirement

Personally I think we should consider particarly big mountain ranges and deserts as continental boundaries more often, like we do with the Urals in nodels that separate Asia and Europe. "Asia" is such a huge concept as to be almost useless, and it's not like China and Arabia had much influence on each other historically

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CanadaPlusreply
lemmy.sdf.org

You do have "regions" already kind of filling that niche. MENA, Europe, Central Asia, East Asia and so on.

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We just need better branding for them! Middle East and North Africa doesn’t roll off the tongue nearly as well as just Africa

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and i would argue there are way more, because grouping all of africa and europe and asia together is kind of utterly pointless.

What makes sense to me is groupings very much like europe in size and cultural cohesion, something roughly like this:

(I can't intuitively figure out where to draw lines in america, aside from the fact that the northern part of the landmass is basically unpopulated and vastly more similar to greenland than it is to the populated parts)

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schnurritoreply
discuss.tchncs.de

One could say the map simply counted transcontinental countries as where the majority of the population lives, but French Guiana isn't colored like Europe.

Also interesting that the southern border of Mexico is apparently the border between North and South America.

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Yeah the most interesting thing about this map is the weird biases on display.

Personal guess?

This was made by a white supremacist to try and push replacement theory/14 words type fears without tipping off the normies

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I'm sure the massive number of people being born in Siberia makes this map completely useless /s

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feddit.org

Can I haz data source and computation approach pleaze?

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Isn't it birth rate times population (normalized to world total births)? Then you draw the borders where you want...

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I think PNG is usually considered a part of Oceania and Indonesia a part of Asia, which is why it stands out. What borders are not intact?

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For any parents trying to find their new baby, starting the search in Asia seems like a good strategy! Book a flight immediately after birth.

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lemmy.zip

I'd immagine it being 0% across the world, it is still 2025...

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feddit.org

Of course the europe-asia border is wrong, but the south america -north america border is wrong as well. It should be where Panama is.

I see a lot of US Americans think that north America only has 3 countries. That's false.

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nocturnereply
slrpnk.net

I see a lot of US Americans think that north America only has 3 countries. That's false.

Three countries is what I was taught in school in the 80s and 90s. And that the Americas are 3 continents; North, Central, and South America.

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What was the reasoning back then for singling out central America?

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boonhetreply
sopuli.xyz

Western part is in Europe, east of the Caucasus mountains is Asia. Map is slightly ehh in that regard.

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thatKamGuyreply
sh.itjust.works

I think you might be confusing the Ural Mountains with the Caucasus Mountains?

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zaphodreply
sopuli.xyz

Russia west of the Ural mountains is Europe, east is Asia. But the Caucasus mountains are also a border between Europe and Asia.

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lemmy.world

Thus proving the almost total arbitrariness of defining Europe as a "continent" but here we are.

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Yea sorry, it's been over a decade since I last had Geography class lmao

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feddit.org

New year's resolution: beat the odds and be not born in Asia.

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lemmy.world

They not only screwed up their continent borders, but they forgot the continent of Antarctica. There are tons of researchers who spend months (maybe years?) living there while working. It's extremely low, but there's a non-zero chance someone could be born there.

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No, not usually. IIRC the only births ever were at a Chilean outpost, and they were trying to make a nationalistic point.

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It is when comparing to billions of births somewhere else.

You round it down.

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lemmy.zip

Hehe, when I made the comment above, my brain had changed the sentence to be:

Chance of having been born in each continent in 2026

Which sounded funny to me.

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It’s interesting that the places that make lots of babies are also the source of emigration to places that make fewer babies.

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lemmy.ca

So.

I hear that India is getting better but lots of it is pretty shit.

Large parts of Africa are similarly underdeveloped.

Why are birth rates so high in these regions and not in more developed areas?

Like. I understand the thesis that things are pretty shit so why have kids that prevails in more developed nations - but why does that not hold true in less developed ones? Where things are arguably more shit?

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yurireply
pawb.social

might be similar reasons as the american settlers had, more hands for work offsets the extra mouths to feed.

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Makes sense I guess.

Could explain why us politicians want to eliminate child labour laws.

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Why are birth rates so high in these regions and not in more developed areas?

Development is exactly what makes birth rates go down. People also used to have more kids in developed countries in the past, and it went down the more the countries' development indicators went up.

The reason? It's not simple, there are entire theses over the subject and, likely, different causes, but roughly, it's lower education levels, more religious influence, less women rights, criminality, etc. For many people in poorer places, having kids is not an option at all. It "just happens." Actually choosing to have kids is something very recent historically and far from something universal.

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If you can figure out the answer to this question, you deserve a Nobel prize.

Every country on earth seems to be seeing the same phenomenon: the more developed and comfortable life in your country gets, the more your birthrate tanks. There are lots of theories, but nobody seems to have a good explanation or know what to do about it.

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A Nobel prize you say?

Okay.

It's insects.

Less insects = less babies. More insects = more babies.

Prize please.

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because "developed nations" are filled with self-indulgent narcissistic selfish people who would understandably spend their resources, all that time and energy, for something more enjoyable than trying to breed some more self-indulgent narcissistic selfish 💩

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The answer is that those regions are lesser educated and are less likely to know about or use contraceptives. Another is that many of those families hope to obtain cheap child labour in their farms and other itinerary trade. This is why the excessive birth problem is particularly pronounced in the more underdeveloped parts of these countries and not the middle to high class areas.

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There are a wide variety of reasons that can be explored and discussed but the way you've framed the question suggests such a narrow worldview that one feels it would be a wasted effort.

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Africa has a dummy birthrate, though, and some of the big players over in the circle are at or below replacement.

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lemmy.sdf.org

I suppose this is the sort of map fear-fomenting rightwing racists would use to support their arguments about white replacement theory. It would be pretty effective. Sigh.

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They use an instance that's for a specific region, just like me. So, likely, no.

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I would just like to point out that e.g. according to buddhist belief, where/how you are reborn depends on what you helped to create in your previous life.

this is to be understood both biologically and psychologically. i.e. when you hurt someone, like your neighbor, chances are high that you're going to experience the same action done to you in your next life, but also if you help somebody ofc.

so the chance of being reborn in africa if you live in the US today are ... low, i'd say.

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OBJECTION!reply
lemmy.ml

How many of those countries have been subject to neocolonialism and CIA coups? Lots of people support politicians who want to continue stealing from and exploiting countries in Africa and elsewhere, so by that logic it seems to me that the chances are pretty high, actually.

I don't think enough people are being born in Palestine to accommodate all the American souls who karmically ought to be reborn there.

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It sounds like you're internally associating Africa and the US with opposite "goodness" evaluations, but you never explain which way and I have no idea why you think your conclusion makes sense.

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I wonder where the data starts.

I mean technically each sperm/egg combo has the potential to become a human in some scenario.

Did they include each time someone knocks one out of the park on their own?

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bob_lemonreply
feddit.org

What?

It's very obviously just the percentage of people born

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Depends on how you read it 🤷‍♂️

“On each continent” it doesn’t necessarily say that if you were to fall outside of a percentage that you automatically are born on a different continent.

(I’m just messin with ya)

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