Spyke
sh.itjust.works

"Hitler loved my joke about gassing the Jews" isn't exactly proving your point, Dave.

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I'm sure the proud boys or kkk would love some of the racist jokes I've heard at work.

I wonder how Chapel would appreciate them.

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Cocodapufreply
lemmy.world

I think that's the joke. Honestly I feel like this whole thread is a huge woosh... Did everyone miss the joke?

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The joke is "haha! see? I'm not funny! I'm just a soulless piece of shit grifter"?

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as long as you follow the rules fozzi bear did in family guy, this probably how it went in saudia arabia, like fozzi bear skit.

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kbin.melroy.org

“They said, ‘Well, Saudi Arabia killed a journalist,’ and rest in peace, Jamal Khashoggi. I’m sorry that he got murdered in such a heinous fashion. And also, look, bro, Israel’s killed 240 journalists in the last three months, so I didn’t know y’all were still counting.”

he does have one well-thought message, albeit with incorrect addressing and postage

now that i look it up, he does already condemn israel much more than palestine (and gotten flak for it). he even called israel a war criminal back in oct 2023. i wonder how this hasn't caused certain senators including MAGA to try and cancel him yet...

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Rothereply
piefed.social

Typical whataboutist deflection. He tries to hide the fact that he is a snivelling piece of shit.

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not really he is just showing the gigantic hypocrisy of some woke fighters.

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boonhetreply
sopuli.xyz

He's a Muslim, I think it was safe to assume he's not a fan of Israel BEFORE the current iteration of the genocide against Palestinians tbh.

Though I don't even remember his trans jokes being intentionally malicious or anything. More like... Just poor taste and then he doubled down on it.

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It hardly matters at this point. Even if it wasn't malicious at first, it became malicious as soon as he doubled down, and tripled down, and quadrupled down...

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The correct and moral decision isn't 'I work for all murderous regimes', it is 'I work for no murderous regime'.

Simple as that and he failed. And before somebody comes with 'but what about USA/China/UK' I said all. And there is also a big difference between working in a country and being invited by the rulers of the country.

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OpenStarsreply
piefed.social

Not having heard the jokes under "discussion" here, I cannot comment on those specifically. But overall Chappelle's message rings loud and clear (to me) that LGBTQIA+ people, at the end of the day, are still "passing", whereas a black man in that part of the USA can never present as anything other than black, and that makes a HUGE difference.

I'll let him tell it in his own words though: https://youtube.com/shorts/hac3bwgo90g

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mzesumzirareply
piefed.social

The point does not stands on its own, rainbow people absolutely can have a hard time "passing", just ask the many gay kids bullied and harassed even when deep in the closet, without even mentioning trans folks.

Even if blackout drunk I managed to forget that, though, "you are fine if you hide who you are" is still a shitty argument to endorse.

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A black trans person would absolutely have a hard time passing, but Dave's point is that being open about one's LGBTQIA+ status is a choice (arguably not much of one, except that people do it so... it CAN be put away, when someone is ready to "pass").

Mainly he's saying that black people are people too, and should be considered as such. He has pointed out how unfair he considers the situation that when white gay men wanted marriage equality, a Supreme Court decision came something like 10 years after the major push started, with everyone in Hollywood backing that. Meanwhile, black people have been waiting for equal rights in the USA for 400+ years, and it's like "when is it our turn?"

It seems all too convenient for white men who are also gay or trans or whatever to call it quits when they get theirs, leaving POC behind in the dust, again.

I find like many people judge him without ever even listening to his material, so of course cannot really understand it.

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It boggles my mind that this is the same guy who walked away from a multi-year, multimillion dollar TV deal with Comedy Central because he saw a white dude laughing a little too hard at his jokes about race. The fact that he could have that moment of reflection, but not extend it to other marginalized groups, just shows the complete lack of empathy he has in his soul.

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The whole Comedy Central thing never sat well with me. Here’s my poor ass listening to this rich mother fucker who made it big, complain about how other rich fuckers “took his money”. It was never relatable, and it just felt like rich people feuding to me. That’s when I started to see Dave as a wealthy man first and above all. My instinct proved true when he just got worse and worse and became less and less human.

He can visits the hood and pretend he’s still from the streets all he wants, even though he never was. But I ain’t buying it. He likely gets back in his truck and uses the sanitizer and complains about the little people like diddy. He’s a fake and has no idea how real people live and think. He only hangs out with billionaires.

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The first time I heard Chappelle was the 'Killing Them Softly' show where he did a bit about how he didn't want to get famous. He should have stuck with that.

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because he saw a white dude laughing a little too hard at his jokes about race.

Also a little weird since his show was touted as being funny to everybody.

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lemmy.world

To this day, I will never not be convinced he went down the far-right bigotry rabbithole because Elon Musk and/or other oligarchs are paying him to take that stance.

It seems no coincidence to me that after he started attacking the trans community, he invited Musk on stage and tried to defend him from the booing crowd.

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Echreply

He got too rich, had a crisis of conscience, then took some time in Africa to end up deciding that money > conscience.

In short, no one's "paying him" to be a bigot, he's just the typical rich piece of shit. He defends other rich pieces of shit because that's what rich pieces of shit do.

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Dude had enough money and it probably stretched even further in Africa.

He's been out of the spotlight for a while and is out of touch. Super disappointing comeback.

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I'm not sure the time line supports that. Dave was making tasteless and bigoted jokes about trans folk well before Elon/Netflix special. Who knows, maybe money was secretly changing hands. But even if so, Dave was the one to sell himself out. All the blame still falls directly to him.

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Should've stayed "retired." Should've listened to his dad and got out, but no... gotta suck on that green dick.

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Goes to a place that slavery is still legal, they like his jokes, he doesn't see the problem.

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Karjalanreply
lemmy.world

Freeer over the by the way, where they, checks notes, literally took his script and said what he could and couldn't say.

Fuck that bigoted hypocrite

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lemmy.today

Gunna hard disagree with you homie. If Dave has any artistic dignity he would not have performed if they preemptively censored him.

So either he is a shill, or he's a shitty person and a shill.

Don't know if there is a good way out for the piece of shit.

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Karjalanreply
lemmy.world

Oh. I guess I needed the /s on the first part or there's a misunderstanding, because we do agree

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lemmy.ca

It’s a shame Dave Chappelle died immediately after Chappelle’s Show ended. He sure was a funny guy when he was still alive!

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That's my takeaway too. I did listen to his stand up and while i didn't think it was horrible, i had to remind myself that it's the guy from the chappelle show, otherwise i wouldn't have listened to it. Also really interesting how Neal Brennan is still really funny and i like his stand up a lot. Maybe it is just a Seinfeld situation

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lemmy.world

Dave's on the menu now when we start eating the rich, right?

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Karjalanreply
lemmy.world

He was well before this. When he was in his local town hall complaining that they were making affordable housing near him and letting "the poors" get too close.

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I didn't hate him when he made trans jokes, i just don't find them funny and everyone should be allowed to not be funny. But i found it truly disgusting when he pulled elon musk on stage just to show off his wealthy friend. What a disgusting human being.

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I gauge all of my work against regimes that murder people, so this seems reasonable. Fucking asshole.

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I started watching his latest Netfux special and he just wasn’t funny to me at all. Bragging about all his wealth, buying a white hippy town, defending his Saudi Arabia sellout because “haha I’m a rich n*gga”, and then a joke about a falcon killing a trans and “his dick popped out”, but it turns out killing a trans person only being a misdemeanour in SA. Har har. Just predicable, and felt like a real grift. Turned it off and watched some show with Fran Lebowitz instead - that one was at least pretty funny, if not also a grift.

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When Richard Pryor came back from Africa he said there were so many different types of people there and vowed never to use the n-word ever again.

When Dave Chappele came back from africa he said there were a lot of broke n***ers over there and vowed never to turn down a dollar ever again.

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And made a shit ton of money bringing laughter to slavers while we work ourselves to death and suffer from having a conscience. We really do need to get together and figure out how to actually start changing things without self imploding. Evil is very much winning.

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Honestly I stopped watching it halfway through when I realized it was just gonna be a jerk fest. Some of it was funny but the whole thing felt like comedy for controversy’s sake rather than controversy for comedy’s sake. It just felt… forced in a way that I didn’t really vibe with. I think his circular style is kinda trite at this point too, the older he gets the more rambly it all feels.

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AmidFurorreply
fedia.io

Have you watched any of his standup? It's obviously going to be subjective, but to say nothing he has said in 15 years has been funny is absolutely ridiculous.

Dave Chappelle is very funny.

Edited for missing word

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As well as Chappelle went down on the Saudi’s for the hydrocarbon/haemoglobin infused cash?

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What about the joke clowning on KSA? Oh didn't tell it? No balls

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im surprised bobby lee went to, although i cant say im surprised his "Career" was pretty much in the dumps after madtv(per his own admission on his podcast") im guess he shills for them now. he probably needs the money more than any of the rich comedians, hes been in rehab for porn addiciton.

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lemmy.ml

“They said, ‘Well, Saudi Arabia killed a journalist,’ and rest in peace, Jamal Khashoggi. I’m sorry that he got murdered in such a heinous fashion. And also, look, bro, Israel’s killed 240 journalists in the last three months, so I didn’t know y’all were still counting.”

see Dave Chapelle does know how to be funny, shame he's backed himself into a corner, but it's deliberate and he's benefitting significantly

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What... That's not funny. He's using an ongoing tragedy to deflect from his blatant hypocrisy.

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lemmy.world

Maybe there's something worse out there, but his trans jokes I've seen are far from hateful. When Chappelle first got flak over this I was afraid the jokes would be flat out evil. They could hardly be more mild.

Can anyone point to a particular joke that's tearing trans people down? I don't mean poking fun, I want to see the hate you all accuse him of.

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I don't think Chapelle deserves the level of hate he's received, but he was certainly punching down in his bid to play oppression Olympics. His whole point was one of being jealous that black people have a much longer road to acceptance that trans people. The problem is, because of his discomfort with the topic, his jokes fell flat, which leaves only the punching down. If you're going to cross the line, you better be funny, or people will only see malice.

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vgareply
sopuli.xyz

They don't care. They just read from some place that Chappelle is evil now so he must be shunned.

We got rid of fundamental religion with somebody telling exactly how to think about everything, but I guess some people just cannot live without one.

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Pretty much what I gathered. Still haven't heard Chappelle say anything awful, and you'll note not a soul has replied with actual words from the man.

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fedia.io

He made the remarks in his new special, so presumably they were part of his jokes and dark humor. Has anyone seen it to say otherwise?

Did y'all read the article? He disses Israel, so you should be able to say, "a broken clock," at least.

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lemmy.world

Did he actually make any references to trans issues? Are there recordings of this comedy festival?

I ask because that line "my anti-trans jokes went over very well in Saudi Arabia” sounds to me like an intentional troll, a way to say that he got to talk about whatever he wants while poking fun at the controversy he stirred up a few years ago. As a joke in and of itself, that works even if he didn't actually have any trans jokes in his set.

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Karjalanreply
lemmy.world

a way to say that he got to talk about whatever he wants

I can't tell if your serious but he absolutely did not get to talk about what ever he wanted. Their jokes were limited and had to be vetted beforehand.

He actually got to talk about whatever he wanted in America. He just didn't like people telling him his jokes were bad and he was being bigoted

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Those were his words, but then again, I didn't see the show, didn't see the contract.

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lemmynsfw.com

I gotta respect Dave for giving no fucks & for "punching" any damn direction he wants.

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feddit.nl

Has great jokes and great wisdom and I dont get the hate against him.

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lemmy.world

Punching down is lazy. He's just another lazy black man.

See what I did there? See how it wasn't funny?

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Sebeck0401reply
feddit.nl

Yeah, you weren't, but I'm quite sure he's not transphobic. But you need to actually watch his shows to get that. Also he's a comedian, he can joke about whatever he wants, he's not making anyone's life harder. And he finds that ppl flaming him for his trans jokes is funny. Anyway, I highly recommend his shows.

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Adareply
piefed.blahaj.zone

He is explicitly, openly and blatantly transphobic. There is no maybe about it. There is no ambiguity.

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Sebeck0401reply
feddit.nl

I've only watched his Netflix specials and his old Dave Chapelle show. Maybe he made some public statements that I'm unaware of where he publicly stated being against trans people. I don't actually follow him on any sort of media. If that's the case I apologise and look forward to being corrected with links and stuff.

None of his shows that I've seen (and I've tried to see them all online) contain anything but jokes and the occasional heart to heart. So that's why he seems like a great guy to me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But if the jokes in his comedy specials are the cause of the internet hate against him then I'm gonna have to continue to disagree with that sentiment.

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I’ve only watched his Netflix specials

So, you've heard him openly identify as a TERF?

But if the jokes in his comedy specials are the cause of the internet hate against him then I’m gonna have to continue to disagree with that sentiment.

"Jokes"

Anyway, it's clear that your mind is set. To you, he's not transphobic, because the times when he is transphobic don't count, and no matter what transphobia of his you encounter in the future, you will find a reason for it not to count as well.

He is a transphobe. You are defending him. End of story

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Trans people disagree. I listen to them when it comes to transphobia. Just like I listen to black people about racism.

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lemmy.world

100% agree, if you want to make a statement at least watch his shows. These articles are all clickbait and he doesn’t come off the way they make him out to be.

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I have showed the segments to some trans friends and they were quite surprised how much his shows don’t reflect the articles. 🤷‍♂️

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