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Syndicated from the fediverse. Read and engage on the original instance.

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Pika
sh.itjust.works

Someone in another post showed a decent site that shows cloudflare dependency, so I threw the top 35 actives from observer into it. It's honestly not as bad as I expected it would be, but it is concerning.

::: spoiler Lemmy lemmy.world(Active Users: 14512): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

sh.itjust.works(Active Users: 2509): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemmy.ml(Active Users: 2087): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.zip(Active Users: 1704): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemmy.dbzer0.com(Active Users: 1444): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.ca(Active Users: 1381): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemmygrad.ml(Active Users: 972): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.blahaj.zone(Active Users: 956): Cloudflare? No

programming.dev(Active Users: 929): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

discuss.tchncs.de(Active Users: 778): Cloudflare? No

sopuli.xyz(Active Users: 596): Cloudflare? No

slrpnk.net(Active Users: 371): Cloudflare? No

infosec.pub(Active Users: 331): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.today(Active Users: 314): Cloudflare? No

midwest.social(Active Users: 307): Cloudflare? No

reddthat.com(Active Users: 292): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

feddit.nl(Active Users: 290): Cloudflare? No

pawb.social(Active Users: 243): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

forum.guncadindex.com(Active Users: 234): Cloudflare? No

mander.xyz(Active Users: 194): Cloudflare? No

lemmings.world(Active Users: 177): Cloudflare? No

ani.social(Active Users: 173): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

feddit.it(Active Users: 158): Cloudflare? No

startrek.website(Active Users: 156): Cloudflare? No

feddit.dk(Active Users: 151): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,cname)

leminal.space(Active Users: 126): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

ttrpg.network(Active Users: 125): Cloudflare? No

szmer.info(Active Users: 116): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.eco.br(Active Users: 99): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemy.lol(Active Users: 97): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,cname)

awful.systems(Active Users: 90): Cloudflare? No :::

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davidgroreply
lemmy.world

I think you missed the second biggest instance (at least it was a while back.)

lemmynsfw.com is using Cloudflare DNS, CDN/Proxy

Edit:
Also noticed:
checkforcloudflare.selesti.com is using Cloudflare DNS, CDN/Proxy.

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Pikareply
sh.itjust.works

I used observer and sorted by active users, so maybe fediverse observer doesn't host the instance due to the NSFW? idk

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[email protected]reply
lemmy.zip

It looks like that source also didn't list hexbear.net, which seems to be around the 5th or 6th largest Lemmy instance, at 1.57k monthly active users. Results from the site you linked (thanks, by the way) say that they use Cloudflare for DNS but not for CDN/Proxy/SSL.

Hexbear and lemmynsfw aren't listed on fedidb either, which leads me to believe that they must block whatever discovery mechanism is being used by these fedi stats sites.

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Pikareply
sh.itjust.works

Yea that would make sense, if that endpoint is blocked then it wouldn't be added.

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iii
mander.xyz

Everything looked fine to me. I'm on mander.xyz

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mesareply
piefed.social

Yeah it uses cloudflare for a number of services if I recall.

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MalReynoldsreply
piefed.social

FWIW I switched VPN egress to Singapore (I have two egress points up permanently and switch with foxyproxy) and was up again immediately.

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ladel
feddit.uk

I didn't notice anything on feddit.uk

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yessikg
fedia.io

I'm pretty sure fedia.io was up the whole time

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MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDownreply
fedia.io

When was the cloudflare outage? I saw the memes about it on Fedia, but I have no clue if it was ongoing at the time.

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yessikgreply
fedia.io

Early this morning, from 6 am EST, I think

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tal
lemmy.today

I mean, it's easy to check whether a given instance is using CloudFlare.

$ host lemmy.world|head -n1
lemmy.world has address 104.26.9.209
$ whois 104.26.9.209|grep ^NetName
NetName:        CLOUDFLARENET
$

You can browse anonymously on any instance that permits doing so, so if you just want to browse during an outage, you can do that anywhere.

IMHO, having an account on a second Threadiverse instance isn't necessarily a terrible idea, not just because of CloudFlare outages, but because instances do have outages for various reasons. I have an account on olio.cafe (PieFed, not on CloudFlare) and on lemmy.today (Lemmy, not on CloudFlare) because I wanted to try out PieFed, and I have fallen back to that to post before if lemmy.today has issues.

That being said, I didn't intentionally try to avoid CloudFlare. I mean, they're used by a lot of major sites, and I don't expect them to have a lot of downtime. I mean, every Threadiverse instance has had downtime for some reason or another. I've had Internet outages, as well as electricity outages. Not all that common or usually an extended thing, but they happen.

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Otter
lemmy.ca

This other post has some discussion: https://lemmy.ca/post/55386786

While the downtime was most active, most of the top instances were down. Lemmy.ml, feddit.org, discuss.tchncs.de and behaw.org were all up. You can use https://lemmyverse.net/ to browse things and the ones offline all show a “content error” in lemmyverse.

Here is a screenshot that @[email protected] took during the outage

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passepartoutreply
feddit.org

I just came home and learned about the outage. Still can't get the smirk of superiority out of my face from when I noticed my people were still able to shitpost in my absence.

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Otterreply
lemmy.ca

I appreciate that different teams are doing different things, I'll have to remember to drop by during the next cloudflare outage 😄

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flamingo_pinyata
sopuli.xyz

sopuli.xyz didn't have any issues. At least I could access it at any time, I don't know if there is any lag in federation due to unavailability of other instances.

Another important consideration is that Cloudflare outage might have been regional. Same content could be available in one region but not in another. On the Cloudflare status page they mention issues with London specifically.

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ekZeppreply
lemmy.world

Then tell me which one. Because all of mine was offline.

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chunes
lemmy.world

Say it with me again: your server does not need middlemen that can break your stuff whenever they feel like it.

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talreply
lemmy.today

So, there are a couple of reasons to use CloudFlare, but I suspect that the reason that a lot of people are doing so is to deal with DDoSes, which are hard to deal with otherwise.

Like, my home instance, lemmy.today, doesn't use CloudFlare, so it isn't affected by a CloudFlare outage. But...it was also knocked offline for a few days about a month back by a DDoS.

A lot of major sites do depend on CloudFlare, so they probably aren't going to have a horrendous amount of downtime --- like, any issue that comes up is probably gonna have a lot of engineers banging on it pretty quickly.

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early_riserreply
lemmy.world

I self host a wiki and use Cloudflare as a reverse proxy to protect my IP. If you know of a similarly easy to use solution I'd love to hear it.

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Sergio
lemmy.world
  • piefed.social - down
  • lemmy.world - down
  • slrpnk.net - up
  • mastodon.social - up
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DrDystopia
lemy.lol

My private archiving instance. But assuming there's still no users and federtion was broken, onlineity doesn't really matter.

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ThePantser
sh.itjust.works

I just think clients should auto fail over to another instance. You should be able to pull posts from somewhere else but just be unable to post. No reason we can't pull posts though.

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Björn
swg-empire.de

Mine was. And ran better than ever because it didn't have to handle so many updates anymore. I missed the memes though, because the images weren't loading.

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