And let me be clear. I'm sick tired of all this "he's the one bad guy" idea. He's the shitty tip of the massive shit-iceberg of what is happening in the US. The Rep are stealing the whole fucking country and turning the population in legions of ignorant bigots.
If this keep going. History will be what they decide.
The huge problem here, is a bunch of people who arent maga, will refuse to fight together, making any civil war a trivial win for the magas who are ready to fall in line.
Here we are on a decentralized platform filled with idealists who literally hate any other leftists or center people who don't align with them 99.99999% on every single issue under the sun.
Division is often a bullshit word to encourage compromising with those that cannot be compromised with. Its super fucking relevant here though.
Thats not what happened in Germany. They seemed to be picking up steam until outer forces stopped them, and the 50%ers fell in line with the nazi regime.
More than that, any negotiation with a side whose primary goal is to hurt outsiders, especially marginalized people, will be to weaken yourself (by sacrificing some demographic) in the hopes that they don't continue to attack your newly weakened self.
That's an optimistic point of view. I think world war 3 is far more likely. Trump has been testing the waters internationally with the talk about invading Greenland. He wants to invade Poland, if you know what I mean.
Pretty sure a US civil war would bring in a bunch of other countries at this stage. Possibly more like Europe before WW2, since a civil war here seems likely to smart with an invasion of red state national guard in a blue state, then California/cascadia fighting back maybe?
And Russia or China would potentially be helping the right, or at least stirring the pot to make it worse for us all. They might help fund the obvious loser to keep it going and more permanently damage the country. China would want to wreak California to finish off the Tech oligarchs so they can dominate that I’d assume.
Then would Europe come help out blue states, they seem happy with Mamdai’s win and policies, but probably wouldn’t want to be a part of it until MAGA or its allies attack them (like Pearl Harbor). Canada would have to join the blue states pretty early on or they wouldn’t last long.
Lots of people don't understand where Trumpism comes from so they believe (or delude themselves through wishful thinking) that once Trump is gone, everything will just "return to normal," the anomaly will pass just as it came, and it'll be like a bad dream.
This is obviously nonsense. The conditions that created Trumpism are still present and worse than ever, and there's a large segment of the population in this radical right-wing media sphere that propelled Trump to power in the first place and isn't going to disappear just because one person retires or dies.
But this is why these people are so invested in upholding the status quo, because they don't understand how the status quo brought us here.
It will be, but not only from them winning. This aittitude is a big part of the problem.
You won't win via a violent revolution, and you wont win via a third party (anyone who understands the basic forces involved when a system has winner takes all or first past the post), so instead you win by slowly taking over the democrat party with increasingly progressive candidates.
Its literally the only way a slow system like the US can be changed, and this "why didn't they fix it in one term!!!!" attitude seeks to attribute blame rather than problem solve.
I think the smart take is to understand the DNC is antagonistic towards our goals but simultaneously is the entity we need to slowly change (through primaries, state and local politics) and continue to support while that happens to avoid the massive harm of having republicans win.
Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history
But the most prominent part of this period of political history is the fact that America allowed this idiot into office in the first place.
The dumb part is not that Trump is who he is ... the dumb part is that a whole mass of people, professionals, academics, politicians and leaders either helped, supported or stood by to let this dumb leader into the highest office and keep him there ... and to say the least, the American people who all debated among themselves endlessly to the point of allowing this dumb leader to their highest office.
Trump is dumb sure .... but the dumbest part of this whole thing is that an entire country paved the way for this one dumb leader to represent them all.
Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history
Yup.
Our legacy in the history books is tied to Trump and the future is going to view us as a generation of bumbling fools. Garbage people. That's our historic legacy.
I agree with all of this, but when people talk about Nazis, they mostly talk about Hitler. Only historical scholars talk about how the Nazi party was the largest democratically elected political party in the German parliament during the Weimar Republic. Only deep study starts to discuss the capitalist influence of steel and coal magnates and companies like Deutsche Bank pressuring President Hindenburg to instill Hitler as chancellor.
Make no mistake, we won't learn from this. The overwhelming narrative will be "somehow, the emperor returned." I pray we make substantive changes to our government to prevent the overreach that the office of president is currently exhibiting. It's insane that everyone is watching multiple blatantly illegal things occur daily, but the Supreme Court has ruled that it is impossible for the president to be on the wrong side of the law. I can see that changing if we ever regain control of the executive branch, but I think the general public will eventually come to think of this era as Trump being a Hitler like figure who shoulders almost the entirety of the blame for what has happened and what is yet to come.
No lol, he will be remembered for truly reflecting the vulgarity of the American empire. He's making himself and the class he belongs to wealthy beyond measure. He isn't traitorous to those he is actually beholden to.
For me, as a European, Trump genuinely isn't a whole lot worse than the previous American presidents. Pretty much all of them were war criminals who actively worked to make Europe weak and divided.
If anything, with Trump we're getting closer to a federal Europe than ever before. I'm not necessarily saying I want a federal Europe. Regardless of that, USA worked tirelessly for decades to make sure it's not formed. That's one good argument in favor.
Just in case, this isn't meant to portray the current US president in any positive light. I highly doubt that's even possible.
You're not wrong. Trump has absolutely committed treason but so did Nixon and Kissinger, in very much the same way. Not to mention the war crimes from Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and W. Trump has absolutely raped a minor but he's not the first president to have done so in our lifetimes. Rounding up immigrants and Brown American citizens and sending them to whoever will take them isn't new either. That's been happening since the 1930s.
Trump is only unique in how brazen and open he is about it, and how many crimes he's willing to commit at once.
Well y'all can have him. Right now that pedophile is putting hard working people out of work and letting the poorest among us miss meals all while he rounds up people with darker skin than him to make them disappear. I'm really much more concerned with the evil he is doing here at home than the federalization of Europe. Plank in your own eye and all that.
For anyone outside the US, there's barely any difference between Trump and your average US president. The only difference is that he says the quiet part loud sometimes.
Indeed, I fully support the EU, I hope the UK will return and more countries that qualify enter the union. The USA views the EU as competition and they know we are a threat to their empire.
I mean, maybe it will be, but only if the history books share your agenda of whitewashing the country and pretending Trump's an external problem, rather than an internal problem and a symptom of something that's always been here, exacerbated by declining conditions.
No again for the hundredth time trump isn't a unique evil for America outside the norm he's the norm for the American empire and its greedy imperialist history.
I'm afraid not. As crazy as it might sound now, in like 20-30 years you'll see an aircraft carrier, a hospital, a school, etc. named after him and people being nostalgic about his regime. Just look at Ronald Reagan
The GOP is going to get worse, not better. And whoever the current, pressing threat is will be villified as uniquely evil, to the point of rehabilitating everyone in the past. I look forward to hearing liberals 20 years from now say, "Look, I didn't like Trump, but at least he cared about his country." If that sounds absurd and unbelievable to anyone, it would've sounded just as absurd to someone in 2005 to hear how liberals talk about Bush and Cheney today.
Oh sure and all the countries he threatened to annex will totally forget and that totally won’t stick for generations to come. Yup no one will care that US we’re not even questioning him then when he started pulling that shit.
Think again. We will all make sure you wont forget. Not ever.
Things won’t just settle. That kinda shit getting fixed up won’t just ‘happen on its own’.
Here in Denmark he's treated like a bad joke. Nobody here actually believes he'll try to take Greenland after the last time someone from the US visited there.
The way things are going in the future history will just be propaganda decided by the racist sexist pedofile billionaire tech bros and the AI they’ve programmed with their ignorance narcissism and bigotry.
Never gonna trump you up
Never gonna trump you down
Never gonna trump around and trump you
Never gonna make you trump
Never gonna say trump
Never gonna tell a trump and trump you
He will be like the boogeyman. Young girls will run away when they hear his name guarding themselves so he can't grab them by the pussy from the shadows.
True true no disagreement on that but ...Russo phobic blackmail conspiracy theories is a weird way to say well documented attempts at numerous levels of gov.
Meanwhile he's still there.
And let me be clear. I'm sick tired of all this "he's the one bad guy" idea. He's the shitty tip of the massive shit-iceberg of what is happening in the US. The Rep are stealing the whole fucking country and turning the population in legions of ignorant bigots.
If this keep going. History will be what they decide.
You missed a golden opportunity to say "shit-berg" just thought you should know
Shit birds of a feather...
That was my exact thought.
right you are... which is why I see no way out of this for Americans without a civil war
there can be no reasonable negotiation when one part says "let's negotiate" and the other one says "no, you die or we kill you, end of discussion"
The huge problem here, is a bunch of people who arent maga, will refuse to fight together, making any civil war a trivial win for the magas who are ready to fall in line.
Here we are on a decentralized platform filled with idealists who literally hate any other leftists or center people who don't align with them 99.99999% on every single issue under the sun.
Division is often a bullshit word to encourage compromising with those that cannot be compromised with. Its super fucking relevant here though.
The infighting will mean an instant loss.
Then the fascists will win and implode if left along long enough... or the remainder of the non-MAGA crowd will finally fall in line to oppose them
Thats not what happened in Germany. They seemed to be picking up steam until outer forces stopped them, and the 50%ers fell in line with the nazi regime.
Part of why Germany kept invading places was to spur on their failing economy with the plunder they got from conquered regions...
Absolutely. You have to remember though, that this is once they had full control and almost completely eliminated certain demographics.
This is not a win state.
and of course that means this is the only outcome possible?
No one said it did, but it seems very likely, because where is the noteworthy resistance?
Currently people are just protesting, but the vices are clamping down.
I believe people protest now because they have some morals and see where this is going, I would expect more once they are actually personally affected
The USA has lived under a "fuck you, got mine" culture for decades, it'll take some personal harm to undo it
More than that, any negotiation with a side whose primary goal is to hurt outsiders, especially marginalized people, will be to weaken yourself (by sacrificing some demographic) in the hopes that they don't continue to attack your newly weakened self.
That's an optimistic point of view. I think world war 3 is far more likely. Trump has been testing the waters internationally with the talk about invading Greenland. He wants to invade Poland, if you know what I mean.
It absolutely isn't. Civil war is kind of a bad thing. Assuming ww3 is a reality is a particularly pessimistic pov
Pretty sure a US civil war would bring in a bunch of other countries at this stage. Possibly more like Europe before WW2, since a civil war here seems likely to smart with an invasion of red state national guard in a blue state, then California/cascadia fighting back maybe?
And Russia or China would potentially be helping the right, or at least stirring the pot to make it worse for us all. They might help fund the obvious loser to keep it going and more permanently damage the country. China would want to wreak California to finish off the Tech oligarchs so they can dominate that I’d assume.
Then would Europe come help out blue states, they seem happy with Mamdai’s win and policies, but probably wouldn’t want to be a part of it until MAGA or its allies attack them (like Pearl Harbor). Canada would have to join the blue states pretty early on or they wouldn’t last long.
civil war in the usa will be needed… it does not cancel wwiii
the are not mutually exclusive options
Truly. The delusional people online chriping up about "wrong side of history" grind my fucking gears.
Talk about premature celebration.
Yall literally do not have a plan to stop him yet. The fuck you mean he'll go down in history books this way or that way.
Bitch he's your president right now.
You need to deal with that, and the fascist republicans first.
Right now, they're winning and robbing you blind simultaneously.
Lots of people don't understand where Trumpism comes from so they believe (or delude themselves through wishful thinking) that once Trump is gone, everything will just "return to normal," the anomaly will pass just as it came, and it'll be like a bad dream.
This is obviously nonsense. The conditions that created Trumpism are still present and worse than ever, and there's a large segment of the population in this radical right-wing media sphere that propelled Trump to power in the first place and isn't going to disappear just because one person retires or dies.
But this is why these people are so invested in upholding the status quo, because they don't understand how the status quo brought us here.
Yeah sure it's a "party" problem. It'll all be fixed by democrats winning. jfc.
It will be, but not only from them winning. This aittitude is a big part of the problem.
You won't win via a violent revolution, and you wont win via a third party (anyone who understands the basic forces involved when a system has winner takes all or first past the post), so instead you win by slowly taking over the democrat party with increasingly progressive candidates.
Its literally the only way a slow system like the US can be changed, and this "why didn't they fix it in one term!!!!" attitude seeks to attribute blame rather than problem solve.
I think the smart take is to understand the DNC is antagonistic towards our goals but simultaneously is the entity we need to slowly change (through primaries, state and local politics) and continue to support while that happens to avoid the massive harm of having republicans win.
Imagine thinking this is a partisan issue and not the history and ongoing reality of the USA.
The good news is that we can vote away the problem and it will all be solved by electing a dem. \s \s \s
Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history
But the most prominent part of this period of political history is the fact that America allowed this idiot into office in the first place.
The dumb part is not that Trump is who he is ... the dumb part is that a whole mass of people, professionals, academics, politicians and leaders either helped, supported or stood by to let this dumb leader into the highest office and keep him there ... and to say the least, the American people who all debated among themselves endlessly to the point of allowing this dumb leader to their highest office.
Trump is dumb sure .... but the dumbest part of this whole thing is that an entire country paved the way for this one dumb leader to represent them all.
the dumb of the many outweighs the dumb of the few (or the one)
Yup.
Our legacy in the history books is tied to Trump and the future is going to view us as a generation of bumbling fools. Garbage people. That's our historic legacy.
A very embarrassing time to be an American.
I agree with all of this, but when people talk about Nazis, they mostly talk about Hitler. Only historical scholars talk about how the Nazi party was the largest democratically elected political party in the German parliament during the Weimar Republic. Only deep study starts to discuss the capitalist influence of steel and coal magnates and companies like Deutsche Bank pressuring President Hindenburg to instill Hitler as chancellor.
Make no mistake, we won't learn from this. The overwhelming narrative will be "somehow, the emperor returned." I pray we make substantive changes to our government to prevent the overreach that the office of president is currently exhibiting. It's insane that everyone is watching multiple blatantly illegal things occur daily, but the Supreme Court has ruled that it is impossible for the president to be on the wrong side of the law. I can see that changing if we ever regain control of the executive branch, but I think the general public will eventually come to think of this era as Trump being a Hitler like figure who shoulders almost the entirety of the blame for what has happened and what is yet to come.
You can't actually Trump me, I am way older than 13.
dark. accurate. excellent.
No lol, he will be remembered for truly reflecting the vulgarity of the American empire. He's making himself and the class he belongs to wealthy beyond measure. He isn't traitorous to those he is actually beholden to.
Considering how fucked up a lot of US presidents have been he'll be in good company
Trump means fart in the UK
What's your name got to do with the price of fish?
Because farts make a sound similar to a trumpet right? Or is that the other way around?
No idea tbh
Wiktionary notes that the trumpet was actually called ‘trump’ way back in the day.
For me, as a European, Trump genuinely isn't a whole lot worse than the previous American presidents. Pretty much all of them were war criminals who actively worked to make Europe weak and divided.
If anything, with Trump we're getting closer to a federal Europe than ever before. I'm not necessarily saying I want a federal Europe. Regardless of that, USA worked tirelessly for decades to make sure it's not formed. That's one good argument in favor.
Just in case, this isn't meant to portray the current US president in any positive light. I highly doubt that's even possible.
You're not wrong. Trump has absolutely committed treason but so did Nixon and Kissinger, in very much the same way. Not to mention the war crimes from Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and W. Trump has absolutely raped a minor but he's not the first president to have done so in our lifetimes. Rounding up immigrants and Brown American citizens and sending them to whoever will take them isn't new either. That's been happening since the 1930s.
Trump is only unique in how brazen and open he is about it, and how many crimes he's willing to commit at once.
Well y'all can have him. Right now that pedophile is putting hard working people out of work and letting the poorest among us miss meals all while he rounds up people with darker skin than him to make them disappear. I'm really much more concerned with the evil he is doing here at home than the federalization of Europe. Plank in your own eye and all that.
For anyone outside the US, there's barely any difference between Trump and your average US president. The only difference is that he says the quiet part loud sometimes.
Such a tiny difference /s
Same as a Canadian, he just embodies our view of Americans.
Indeed, I fully support the EU, I hope the UK will return and more countries that qualify enter the union. The USA views the EU as competition and they know we are a threat to their empire.
I mean, maybe it will be, but only if the history books share your agenda of whitewashing the country and pretending Trump's an external problem, rather than an internal problem and a symptom of something that's always been here, exacerbated by declining conditions.
You dirty fucking Trump
"Elected by the American people... Twice!"
It's hard to undersell how important that last bit is. Americans want to blame Trump for their gut feelings and pretend it wasn't them who fucked up.
Gotta remember that "elected" in USA means that some minority of the population voted for him in the very few states where voting matters at all.
Only 22% of the population voted for this guy (77 million out of 344 million).
The belief in "democracy" is part of the scam.
"to Trump" used to mean to overpower, to outsmart, or to otherwise invalidate your enemies.
I can't use it that way anymore. To me it means to backstab, betray, or sell out for a trinket not even any real gain.
Trump is a traitor to the American people.
There are so many assumptions in here.
Of course people will talk about American and its history several generations down the line, the same way we still talk about the Ottoman Empire.
When did you last talk about the ottoman empire with your colleague or family?
You don't know my history-buff dad.
Oh, he sounds fun!
I talked about the ottoman empire with my personal trainer yesterday, if that counts as a colleague.
“To Trump” already means “to fart” in some parts of the world.
Now it can mean more!
"I trumped, then went to the bathroom and took a massive trump."
No again for the hundredth time trump isn't a unique evil for America outside the norm he's the norm for the American empire and its greedy imperialist history.
Trick-taking card games in shambles rn
I'm afraid not. As crazy as it might sound now, in like 20-30 years you'll see an aircraft carrier, a hospital, a school, etc. named after him and people being nostalgic about his regime. Just look at Ronald Reagan
Or look at Bush and Cheney.
The GOP is going to get worse, not better. And whoever the current, pressing threat is will be villified as uniquely evil, to the point of rehabilitating everyone in the past. I look forward to hearing liberals 20 years from now say, "Look, I didn't like Trump, but at least he cared about his country." If that sounds absurd and unbelievable to anyone, it would've sounded just as absurd to someone in 2005 to hear how liberals talk about Bush and Cheney today.
Yeah like three people in my zip code agree with the OP.
Just look at any president ever. It's a position concocted by literal enslavers.
Or... Once he's gone and things settle down for a bit, he'll only be remembered through a couple of weird memes.
I don't trust the intelligence or rationality of people anymore to believe they'll learn from this.
He'll be remembered as basically the same as the democrats before and after him.
Oh sure and all the countries he threatened to annex will totally forget and that totally won’t stick for generations to come. Yup no one will care that US we’re not even questioning him then when he started pulling that shit.
Think again. We will all make sure you wont forget. Not ever.
Things won’t just settle. That kinda shit getting fixed up won’t just ‘happen on its own’.
Here in Denmark he's treated like a bad joke. Nobody here actually believes he'll try to take Greenland after the last time someone from the US visited there.
He really trumped that up, didn't he?
He trumped it to the max.
His name is already synonymous with "stupid". And I'm not really exaggerating that.
The way things are going in the future history will just be propaganda decided by the racist sexist pedofile billionaire tech bros and the AI they’ve programmed with their ignorance narcissism and bigotry.
So the future will be exactly like the past but with "AI".
But they fully intend to destroy any documentation or archives that contradict their self policing punch down hierarchy
"Trump card" will mean cards that you hide under the table or up your sleeve.
The american Quisling.
It already means I betrayed you in French...
He trump énormément?
Pretty sure they chose that fake name because they're huge fans of The Pixies.
I simply hope the second wake-up call finally works. Mamdani's victory is a start.
Not even just treachery, just a cheap sellout
You can't betray someone if you only ever serve yourself.
You have to have stood for something good in order to sell out. That was never the case.
Trump will go down in history as the last American president.
Is it bad that I'm not sure which specific event we're talking about here because so many could fit?
Will that happen?
So far, kids are fully indoctrinated and history completely sane-washed about all the atrocities the USA has committed domestically and abroad.
I have no reason to believe the Pedophile president would be treated any differently
Bold of you to assume there a) will be history books or b) they'll not maintain his personality cult after he dies to maintain the new "status quo".
Pretty sure they never read a history book of USA, since it's 10000% just whitewashing fascists like Trump.
No idea why that would change in the future.
Finally the Arnold family can rest easy and pass on the torch to the Trumps.
"He trumped all over U. S. A."
"Don't trump me bro!"
Never gonna trump you up
Never gonna trump you down
Never gonna trump around and trump you
Never gonna make you trump
Never gonna say trump
Never gonna tell a trump and trump you
They mean he'll be the new quisling.
So what are we calling the high cards in euchre now?
Bibi cards
He will be like the boogeyman. Young girls will run away when they hear his name guarding themselves so he can't grab them by the pussy from the shadows.
Not in american history class, obviously. But the resto the world, sure.
yet millions of foxnews christians swallowed it up and nothing will be done because their leaders have all been compromat.
Pretty sure their leaders are heretical scumbags profiting off genocide regardless of russophobic blackmail conspiracies.
True true no disagreement on that but ...Russo phobic blackmail conspiracy theories is a weird way to say well documented attempts at numerous levels of gov.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cyber-vault/2018-02-21/cyber-brief-2016-presidential-election
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/
there are also sources on justice.gov but to me that has become ...less than reputable... as of late.
but yeah.
In service to a foreign enemy. Take your pills, you freak. He's the end result of your own internal decay over decades.
USA isn't decaying. It was created rotten by literal enslavers.
If you think this dude "betrayed" USA, then you don't understand what USA actually is.
Every president has betrayed humanity. For a recent example, Biden literally served a foreign genocidal cult.
And yet you didnt watch it to the end.
“But I don’t agree with a damn thing you have to say”
Doesnt sound like what you’re trying to sell it as.
You trumped me.(also means spreading misinformation)