DOJ tells Republicans that Epstein files even worse for Trump than they thought: report
Seems Johnson knows this. Both him and Trump will keep this shutdown going to stop the forced release of these files it seems. Don't know what kind of plan they're cooking up though.
https://www.rawstory.com/doj-tells-republicans-that-epstein-files-even-worse-for-trump-than-they-thought-report/Open linkView original on lemmy.world884
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It was obvious this was the case when they fought so hard to prevent the release. They continued with it even when it's clear that the actions they're taking to keep it hidden it's damaging for them.
My bet is that there's video evidence of Trump raping a minor, or maybe a recording of him admitting it. I don't know what else could be more damning than that.
At this rate they're gonna keep this up until Trump dies.
Like their podcast "heroes", I'm just asking questions here, but:
What if Trump didn't just rape kids? He had beauty pageants where he admitted to walking in on naked teenagers to "inspect" them. He walked around "interviewing" contestants, asking them about their lives. He himself specifically chose a decent percentage of the finalists - and by claiming those spots for certain chosen people, significantly reduced the chances for other contestants. And there were not only the contestants, but a bunch of wannabe contestant-types on the fringes. And a lot of those contests were held overseas.
So, just asking questions here, but: what if Donald Trump wasn't just raping kids? What if he was actively involved in recruiting and trafficking them?
It's hard to speculate on things like that, but when he openly admitted to reporters that Epstein took girls from his spa, it means the investigation would have to be reviewing such
Perhaps Trump is also a cannibal; who knows, maybe... the man doesn't seem to have any morals at all.
Well we know his food preferences are worse than abysmal so. I doubt the cannibal thing unless the baby is well done with ketchup.
Still with trump it never gets better you know?
This was my thought as well. A lot of what has come to light feels like he may have been more than a customer for Epstein and possibly a supplier via his businesses and Russian criminal contacts
A guy like Trump would be involved in running the thing, not just using it. So makes sense.
As heartless as this sounds.... that trafficking ring wouldn't have been successful enough to demand billionare clientele prices. This is the guy who bankrupted a casino.
And what if he grabbed them by the pussy.
Oh yeah he did that. Also stuck his fingers in their mouths to “check their teeth” per Noel Cassler.
I think there’s evidence that they were more than just bffs.
I think there’s evidence that they were business partners in the trafficking operation. Trump owned children beauty pageants, he had girl servants at one of his resorts, reports of some of those girls winding up with Epstein… I bet there are financial transactions proving it.
Yep, this is the big story in it I think as well. Sen. Ron Wyden has been investigating the Epstein financial ties and has uncovered billions in suspect wire transfers that several big banks bent the rules on for him.
The reason for their fall out was because of these financial ties. They've admitted this part.
Not to mention the deep ties all of this has with Mossad, the British royalty through Prince Andrew, the Clintons, Bill Gates (look how he has flipped his script lately)….. all the clearly documented high profile people involved, we have heard little snippets about their unusual sexual behavior but never the full Monty. I think it’s Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein levels of the looking the other way and covering things up for years. But this time it’s the leaders of nations and industry caught with their pants down.
If I was a CIA/mossad agent looking to have leverage on leaders, I would throw lavish parties. Invite everyone important. Keep it straight up at first, then ease into giving small hints about the availability of party favors and women and see who bites. Trap them in unfavorable situations and use that to coerce. Pretty straight forward. If it’s damning enough, you own them.
Guess who had the pee tape!
What. You know it’s out there.
Trump wasn't just a customer. He was Epstein's partner and Mar-a-Lago was a hub for international sex trafficking, including child sex trafficking.
They're not the Epstein files. They're the Trump files.
This is my thought as well. He has to be in there to such an extent that if they removed all mention of him, what was left would fit on a fucking post it. Otherwise they would have tried to release it with a few pages "lost" and blamed Biden.
Active participation in not just the rape but the trafficking operation, the big reveal being that he actually solicited these "services" to tons of so far unnamed people?
Remember this isn't just about Trump. He's protecting those padding his pockets and pulling his strings.
Don’t forget killing. Maybe they pushed an underage girl out of a jet at altitude. Wouldn’t be off brand.
Not easy or safe to the passengers on the plane. It also doesn't disappear the body.
Overall this seems like the least likely thing that could have happened.
Yeah i mean, he’s a coward too. Maybe on one of his coke fueled helicopter rides to Atlantic City tho.
I do sometimes wonder about some people's fantasies about planes. It would have been much simpler to kill someone on the island and use the gigantic amount of water to hide evidence. Simply putting a body in a 'shark cage' would be enough to have everything but the bones disappear, pushing it out to sea would almost certainly have it never be found, hell, simply doing with it whatever you do with the rest of your trash would probably work... like, when you own an island, the amount of ways you have to hide things is insane.
Nah. He wasn't wrong when he said his followers wouldn't give a damn if he shot a man in the middle of Fifth Ave.
The only thing MAGA actually seems to genuinely care for - aside from their constant need to feed their rage and despicable beliefs like racism - is being against paedophilia. They might not care enough about kids to actually offer their tax money to ensure all of them gets to eat, gets proper education, but at the very least a majority of them doesn't want powerful men to rape them. Which, I guess, is a small win?
Therefore anything that is truly damaging to Trump will be kid-diddling related.
There could be video of him and his mushroom penetrating someone underage and so many of his meathead cult members will claim it's "AI" or something.
The only thing that matters to them is in-group solidarity. They are bad people. That is a bad person world view.
Or actively trafficking children.
IMHO he wasn't just a client but a partner.
There actually IS a piss tape and it's underage girls involved. I'm sure Epstein's circle included unscrupulous Russian oligarchs.
Yep. It's not "just" kids cos he could claim "he was drunk and didn't know their age!". It's worse. It involves piss, bestiality, torture etc.
How is that more dancing then what he has already said. Walking in on miss green US change rooms grabbing them by the pussy. He has literally admitted to sexual assaulting the contestants and nobody cares. Just like when/if these files come out nobody well care.
I don’t think that nobody will care, but I think the point you’re trying to make is that his supporters won’t care. That we can definitely agree upon.
I don’t think that’s the case. He said both things but not at the same time. Those are two different gross stories getting mashed together.
Examine the court documents involving Katie Johnson.
Just delay until AI video is good enough to claim it's AI.
This is the Panama papers all over again. Another way of proving everyone in power is corrupt and we'll do fuck all about it.
I think this is a little different because I believe in unreleased form this is more of a monkey on the Trump fandom's back. Had they just been released at the start, there would have been massive coverage for a week, but MAGA would believe that Trump's different by being open and transparent about it, and Democrats are just whining and people would forget about it much like the Papers. Whereas this way, it's clear the Republican swamp has something it REALLY doesn't want to reveal, to the point they'd be willing to starve the country and hold the entire government hostage over releasing them.
We already know Trump is a rapist who likes underage girls. That has been proven without a doubt on multiple occasions. What does hanging out with another guy who does so change, especially since that's another thing we've already known for years?
The E Jean Carroll case proves he is a rapist.
On 2023.07.19, the judge specifically ruled that Trump raped E Jean Carroll. Period.
Yeah that he’s a rapist is a matter of record. That he was adjudicated as such after the statute of limitations ran out is why he’s not a listed sex offender.
Saying Trump is a rapist is a bonfifed fact. It's very hard to convict anyone of rape, and yet the fucker was found guilty.
Anyone who says Trump isn't one, is one of his cult members or wants to be one like him.
To be clear, he wasn’t found guilty because it wasn’t a criminal trial. The judge ruled, on the balance of probabilities that it was more likely that he raped Carroll than he didn’t. That’s a different bar than for criminal trials which require that it is beyond a reasonable doubt that he raped Carroll.
Now my personal opinion is that he absolutely raped her beyond a reasonable doubt, and that he has definitely raped others on numerous occasions, but sadly those aren’t legal facts as he hasn’t been found guilty of them by a criminal trial jury or judge.
The dude said on Howard Stern that his "age limit" is that he wouldn't with a twelve year old
It's not a lie at all but OK
So your argument is that Donald Trump is not an adjudicated rapist?
And that, as former owner of Miss Teen USA, he does not like underage girls.
Do you think Trump was wrongly convicted of rape?
Trump was never criminally convicted of rape. People criminally convicted of rape go to prison.
I think you may be misinterpreting. He did not say it has been proven trump raped little girls.
He stated trump is a rapist, this has been proven is a court of law.
He stated that trump likes little girls. This has been proven time and time again, from trumps comments on his own daughter to trump walking in on children changing for a beauty pageant. Lets not forget "when youre famous, they let you do it"
That's fair, I saw "proven without doubt" and assumed that referred to criminal conviction.
Why are you going up to bat for Trump? He was found guilty in a court of law.
So much worse than the Panama Papers
Remember, this case is about dozens of rich men raping young girls and the only person who's in jail is a women.
Well, Epstein was in prison until trump had him murdered.
I'm still confused, about how Epstein being suicided in jail during Trump presidency, and conservatives are blaming Hillary.
As far as conspiracies go, this one is exceptionally stupid
There are also a lot of people who were in power during Trump’s first presidency who blame things that happened then on Biden. They seem to often choose things close to 2021 so they’re either doing it on purpose or just experiencing the effects of their aged minds blurring things together, combined with unmatched stupidity.
These people people blamed Obama for 9/11. They're not to be taken seriously and avoided at all costs.
I have trouble believing that a human can be that incredibly stupid.
and there are a lot of them.
The Dunning-Kruger effect, confirmation bias, propaganda and echo chambers prove a potent mixture.
yhea, but to end up with such twisted view of reality?
it's like they watch that episode of Star Trek and laugh how Picard cant count the five lights.
I'll say. The first time I heard it, I literally LOL'ed, and thought that somehow they managed to top themselves in idiocy in the "Hillary murder" department.
I mean, they seemingly think that Hillary somehow killed Scalia and then there was all the 90s black helicopter idiocy of the "Clinton body count" email forwards. And this was even stupider than all that. I mean...WTF? Hillary? How was she going to do anything to Epstein? Pedonald was in the WH and she held no office.
BUTTER SNAILS!!!!!
But-but! Operation Jade Helm! Meanwhile Trump actually sends the military into US cities...
All Trump supporters are exceptionally stupid. Full stop.
Who says it was only girls?
Who says it was only men?
Kevin Spacey wasn't there to rape young girls.
I know he got canceled for coming out but was he in the files as well?
He got cancelled for sexual assault. It just happened to be sexual assault of a man.
https://www.golocalprov.com/news/Magaziners-Trip-with-Epstein-Gets-New-Attention-After-Kevin-Spacey-Says-Tr
Jeff Epstein is a woman?
We should blame women for this problem, chef's kiss.
Dude, that woman raped and assisted in raping children. She should be in fucking prison.
The fact that a bunch of men should be right next to her does not absolve that vile woman of what she has done.
Who said she shouldn't be in jail?
Yep....
They just announced that they are thinking about cutting air traffic controllers in the run up to Thanksgiving.
I hope that when the dam breaks it washes away the entire GOP
This would make my year if this happens. I keep hoping this happens, but every time… it doesn’t. They just keep moving the bar on what is acceptable for a president to do. By trumps standards, Epstein himself could have been president.
Two things.
First, I know a lot of people here hate Schumer and the DNS, but they timed this shutdown to perfection. Just before the elections and Thanksgiving. Credit where credit is due.
Second, yeah, I've been waiting for the GOP to go to war with itself since 2015. I remember telling an activist freind of mine that Trump was going for the nomination and she told me that she didn't want to ever have to think about Donald trump, ever.
Exactly. If they fold, it WILL get worse.
If you look at the Labour Party in the UK, they walked in with comically oversized majorities last year. Then they proceeded to govern exactly like their Conservative predecessors - with no few MPs gleaned from the ranks of fleeing conservatives - such that Reform UK is now ready to pick up the Prime Ministership in the next election cycle.
The problem with the modern American conservative movement is that its not confined to the GOP. It is a consequence of the donor base. And the donors continue to be enthusiastically bipartisan.
I respect the grizzled cynicism of this take while at the same time hoping that this will be different.
We've definitely got cause for hope after this last election cycle.
But given the stubbornness of the Cuomo-crats, we continue to have some cause for alarm.
Mamdani has entered the chat...
No billionaires funding him...yet.
He's an edge case. And - don't get me wrong - if this is a self-reproducing model for future campaigns, awesome!
But Mamdani himself is exceptionally charismatic with good politics to back him up. I wouldn't even say guys like him don't exist, they just tend to prefer climbing the escalator of retail politics to the greased pole of democratic socialism.
One of the funny things about New York politics is that Mamdani's predecessors called for similar things [Billionaire Bloomberg supported congestion pricing and tried to bring fresh produce to food deserts]
Hell, NYC's most popular Mayor ran on a "Fusion Ticket" with the Communists. Socialists, and the Republicans.
He’s had offers . . .
We must be on like volume 73 by now.
Even if the files contain irrefutable proof that Trump trafficked and raped children with Epstein, Johnson and the GOP know that his base will either dismiss it as 'fake news', AI or otherwise convince themselves that Trump raped kids because the Democrats used their mind control ray to set him up.
I suspect the real reason they want to keep it under wraps is to protect their billionaire donors who will be named in the files.
I figure a big reason they haven't just released some doctored files clearing their names ages ago is the threat of mutually assured destruction from anyone else on the list
Maybe partly. These files scare Trump, too. That's why he keeps lashing out, trying to deflect. He's scared of losing respect... And remember, when he goes, MAGA will fall apart.
Covfefe's law: Trump always turns out to be worse than anyone imagined, even when you take into account Covfefe's law.
This is so true. Everytime I think he can't get worse he gets worse.
'Never challenge worse' a wise therapist once told me.
"Ok, so, yeah... We know that Trump did all these horrible things to children, but we can't charge a sitting president because of a memo written by another corrupt Republican administration. Sorry our hands are tied! Oh we can't impeach him either because... because fuck you that's why. Sorry not sorry! Vote R in the midterms though! Communism! Be afraid!"
Funny enough, I do not fear communism out of spite for the Republicans. It’s a system of government, and they’re who demonized it. I’m willing to try and remove that bias.
You can only impeach Trump for presidential actions. There are plenty of those.
Epstein related presidential crimes are due to the cover up, not the parties
Not so, but only because of the non-legal-system apparatus of impeachment. They can impeach him for his bizarre clown makeup if they wanted, but they’d have to have the votes to remove him and the GQP will never fold or break. It will just keep getting more compressed and static until it becomes a black hole where no light can escape.
Or, yeah, maybe it did that already.
This is guy who allegedly made prostitutes pee on the bed the Obamas slept in. It's easier to guess what compromising thing he didn't do.
I bet he even did a Rusty Venture
wait what, source please
There was a lot of gay boy sex on the island. This is the Republican nightmare that would rather have them shut down the country.
Who would've thought our sitting president being a pedophile and best friends with one of the most notorious human traffickers in history would be such a problem? /s
What, the guy we know is a demented rapist and pathological liar?
Ahh it’s probably fine.
How many people have access to the files right now? Not a single one is doing the right thing. Complicit. If I happened across those files, they would have to murder me to stop them leaking. The level of apathy genuinely makes me wonder if it's wickedness or some sort of actual brain damage from some chemical or virus we haven't found yet.
Fuck
Did you not notice the part where Epstein committed suicide, Giuffre was hit by a bus, survived, and then committed suicide, and Maxwell was paid a closed-door visit by Trump's personal fixer?
They have and will continue to kill to keep these secrets.
If they're leaked and not officially released, then Trump denying their authenticity (a given) will convince more idiot centrists.
The cynic in my thinks those files will do nothing. Short of photos of him raping children (and even then I'm not sure) he's not losing any Republican votes.
They could claim a mistake the first time... But they voted for that vile piece of shit a second time fully aware of what a disgusting piece of crap he is.
President of the United States
It’s wild that our grandkids are gonna read that in a history textbook
Depends on who writes the history... :p
That's the thing about the Internet. You can try to spin the story however you want, but it's never truly gone. Push too hard and you'll end up with the Streisand effect.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES PEDONALD
I wouldn't doubt it if he diddled little boys too. Or at least laughed when his close friends did. Disgusting fucking cancer...
We know he competed with Epstein to take a child's virginity, how much worse can it get?
As the airports begin to buckle they're going to fold on the shutdown very soon.
At the holidays no less. And today my city had a 2-mile long traffic jam leading to the food bank. This is definitely going sideways quickly.
The amount of blatant harm that they are willing to do in order to keep those file from being released says everything. We have an entire country being crippled just because one person doesn't want to be exposed.
One thing that Israel and the USA have in common now.
And all of it was unnecessary. Will America learn a lesson? Hard no.
I mean, they're hosting a historical shutdown specifically to prevent their release. We already knew they were damning.
The files they don’t have that don’t exist that don’t incriminate anyone on a list that is not real that is a hoax is worse than they ever imagined.
America feels like it's evil. Maybe all the people fighting against American culture were right all along.
That's a good thing.
American exceptionalism has been a constant background theme in their movies, TV shows, publishing and other "cultural exports" since the start of their country.
This is just a distraction from the Epstein files!
The Epstein files are the distraction. Republicans dismantle democracy while people fight over the files.
Imagine doing something so horrible that you underage prostitutes as a smokescreen.
*sex-trafficked children, FTFY
I can't wait for them to release the Epstein Files to distract us from millions of people starving to death!
And the crime wave that comes with hungry people
It must be really bad if
s/Donald Trump/Bill Clinton/gcouldnt fix it
Only on Lemmy does the Politics comment section contain regex snippets.
Used to be on Reddit too, but spez killed it like he killed Aaron. Obligatory fuck spez.
*sed
And getting corrected in the thread! snif it’s beautiful.
They should have tried the case-insensitive /i modifier. Trump likes his name in all caps.
"global?! That sounds like some foreign bullshit. We only want local; we're the goddamn GOP!"
Human trafficking.
This is fine 🔥🫠🔥
Oh no! Worse for Trump, you say?
Like... so bad that Kash Patel might actually do something about it? So bad that any one of those 91 indictments from two years ago might result in a prosecution with penalties attached? So bad that literally anything bad might happen to America's Golden Child?
Why do you think we have the Epstein shutdown?
Donbald is happy to have millions of children and the elderly starve, flights cancelled during the holidays, etc., if it means he can avoid justice and focus on building his Epstein ballroom.
I mean, being a pedophile is "A OK" in US, it seems. There's no revolt or actual actions being taken to show the rest of the world that, being a pedophile is BAD, and have CONSEQUENCES. Instead; they get voted in as president. I'm in a different country, but I want nothing to do with US, be it at shopping level or otherwise. I don't care for pedophiles or those who enable them. PERIOD.
It's not that being a pedo is OK, it's that being a Republican is the magic "Get Out Of Jail Free" card. Republican pedos are protected at all costs, Republican racists are just "kids being kids", Republican insurrectionists are "Political Prisoners".
That just sounds like “A OK” with extra steps!
In fact, not even with extra steps.
But only for Republicans, Democrats actually get to face consequences.
Yep. IOKIYAR is practically law.
Lemmy is like 80% reasonable takes, 5% Linux hype and 15% the most chronically online shit imaginable.
Pedophile of the United States, Donald J Trump, beg to differ.
Raping teenagers is no big deal in the US.
Raping kids and being a pedophile are two very different things.
I'd like to know the name of a country which is free of corruption. Then I could go shopping there without any semblance of guilt, I guess.
What? Really, I don't know what you mean? When did I say there are countries free of corruption? What a weird response to me saying the president of the US is a pedophile.
I don't want to do business in countries with leaders who commit crimes. You're too narrowly focused on pedophilia.
Well, you must know something I don't know, namely, a country with no corruption. Please share.
I do not. As a result, I am going to have to live off the grid and farm for sustenance.
Releasing the Files about the World's RICHEST CHILD RAPISTS would be Damaging to the President! Thank GOD They're doing EVERYTHING they can, like GUTTING Snap Benefits and ELIMINATING Air Traffic during the Holidays, to PROTECT the Epstein List of Rich People Who Raped Children! I LOVE TRUMP! CHECK THE PIZZA PARLORS!
You’re finding your groove, man. Kudos.
Yeah still has some remaining lucidity to clear up but solid.
My bet is there are pictures of Trump balls deep in several 13 year olds.
The entire inch??
And Putin has them
Not to mention the Moscow Golden Showers.
No he wouldn't do that he is too honest and noble and caring/s
Release the Trump/Epstein files
Johnson is trying to think of a way to abandon Trump that will allow him to save face. He knows Trump isn't going to make it through his 4 years, and that there will be a massive power vacuum in the pedo party once he's gone. Unless of course Johnson is in those files too, which wouldn't surprise me in the least. I'm that case he has no choice but to hold course
I honestly don't think Mike Johnson was even in the political sphere when Epstein was still free, but who knows 🤷
Well he has a bad habit of burying all the twinks he murders under his house.
Um. So they say. Many people. Are saying.
color me not-surprised 😛
Of Course. No other reason for as many distractions as they've put out there
Deflect, lie, and deny is the plan. Soon, Donald "Shit Stain" Trump will tell his buddies on the Supreme Court to block the release.
Well they'll just cook those books.
Can't they claim national security and keep these from getting out? I mean the country will descend into abject chaos if this gets out. I for one don't want to see it, but it's be happy for him to perp walk straight into prison where he will be treated like the pedo he is, which would be far more satisfying
https://archive.is/11JzP
I think ultimately the epstein files will hurt them less released than as a thing they are keeping from being released and I think the government shutdown is hurting them more than that. Their stupidity is their only saving grace.
What if Trump has children who are 15yrs younger than their mothers?
That would be wild.
Edit: probably not after listening to his victims testimony it seems like he always insisted on using protection.
Seems legit .. hey where was all this energy when Biden spent his entire presidency covering these up? We know who was on the flight logs and we know that Trump wasn’t on them.. you know Biden pardon his son who videoed himself molesting his 14yo dead brother’s daughter.. we know it for certain we have the video.. where’s the energy guys?
Biden didn't touch the Epstein files, they were sealed by courts until late 2023 and never subpeonaed by Congress to be made public until 2024 in the first place.
If anything you could claim Merrick Garland covered it up by knowing about all of this and choosing not to expedite Trump's insurrection trial, but even that's a stretch.
You're trying to divert attention away from the files and Trump. If you cared about the energy you'd want them released anyway, and you'd know that if it was something bad for Biden you'd want it out now. The only point to trying to shift blame to the ex president is because you're a fan of the current one.
Nice rage bait. Try harder, loser.
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You know who’s not legit? You.
10 hour old shit take account haha.
2/10 bait. Made me reply.