ICE, Border Patrol agents to receive pay during government shutdown
Government workers, especially ATC, should just walk out on their jobs now.
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Of course they'll pay their fucking stormtroopers. Throw more sandwiches at these fucking fascists. Real govt employees deserve pay.
Unfortunately then federal government has passed laws about this. An organized walk out would be considered a strike and illegal for federal employees. This administration would put them in prison.
Otherwise if it's unorganized it's a fireable offense and they will lose their jobs.
Something similar happened with air traffic controllers in the 80s. They were all fired and the military filled their jobs until new employees were brought on.
So for these employees they can either lose their jobs, go to prison, or work temporarily without pay (they will be paid once a budget is passed).
It's not a great situation
I cannot believe these fucking shit stains are getting paid. Meanwhile, people doing important and life saving work, like air traffic controllers, aren't.
ATC is getting absolutely hosed this year
Nazi leaders wcyd
We build louisettes.
These fucks are all privately funded.
This is what the democrats need to be latching on to and screaming from the roofs. It can be simple too: “Republicans are paying ICE but not ATC”, or “Republicans are paying ICE and wanting higher healthcare prices for you”.
I'm still flabbergasted that government shutdown is a thing in the US. Basically holding the whole country hostage, or at least the part that is most likely to vote against you (at least when Reps do the shutdown). Just like that.
There are two factors that make these shutdowns uniquely American:
First of all, the responsibility to run government agencies rests with the President, while the responsibility over the budget is held by Congress (subject to a Presidential veto). And those are separate branches, with separate governance, even when the same party controls them. In most other countries, the legislative and executive branches are run by the same people, and an inability to appropriate funds to executive agencies is seen as such an obvious failure that it can prompt a no-confidence vote in the government. Here, we see that as a negotiating tactic. Even when new departments and functions are created, they get to negotiate whether that new thing is "subject to yearly appropriations" or is funded automatically.
But the second factor is the anti-deficiency act, which speficially prevents Federal agencies from spending money that has not been appropriated. While that law has been on the books since 1884, it was last revised in the early 80s, and it was around that time where the Reagan administration decided that these agencies needed to shut down in the absence of appropriations. Before then, the agencies would keep functioning (and, more importantly, paying their employees), and run a deficit while the matter was sorted out.
Basically, Republicans who thought government was too big in the 80s specifically manufactured this process, putting up roadblocks in the way of spending government funds, because our system lets them do it. (No politician loses their job when it happens.) They can now pass budgets full of things they never intend to actually fund, and then hold up appropriations while still getting "credit" for passing the budget in the first place.
Reagan really fucked some shit up, hey?
I kinda wish we had a system where we could just declare the government a failure, and kick out the lot in favor of a new one. There are other things I dislike about parliamentary systems, but that's good.
Parliamentary system seems superior in every single way to what we have here.
Didn't Belgium go for almost 3 years without a government a while back? Meanwhile France is on their 5th prime minister in 2 years. I think the issue is that Democracy is entirely incompatible with capitalism.
I never said it was perfect, but it is better if only for the fact that it allows for more than two parties.
I really dislike voting for parties rather than individuals. I realize parties are inevitable, but I hate them. I want to elect an individual who I trust to fight hard for the things I want and to have the wisdom to make compromises—even painful ones—to achieve a greater good.
Like with Obama, I trust that he had to make some difficult choices and did the best he could, even when I vehemently disagreed with some of them. Literally the only President in my lifetime I feel that way about, and the party would never have made him President. Or PM, I suppose it would be.
I'm not saying the benefits of parliamentary systems wouldn't outweigh the harms, but they definitely aren't perfect.
At least parliamentary system allows for more than two parties.
Also, people do directly vote for their MPs in most systems.
I thought they elected a party and the party chooses who leads it? Have to be honest I don't follow foreign politics as well as I should. But the same thing applies at a local level. I want to vote for individual representatives and senators. At whatever level I don't want a bunch of out of touch rich folks deciding who best represents my individual interests.
You should refresh your memory on what a parliamentary system actually is...
You're right. I had some fundamental misunderstandings of the system. My apologies. I'll go rethink things. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Even though most countries (that I know of) have a similar personality cult, the head guy has never as much power as POTUS.
We are hostages even when the government is working. Unless you are born into a privileged family or enough of a cunt/psychopath to live the greedy American dream lifestyle. Crabs in a bucket they figuratively rape lives to get the American dream.
They feed us psychologically marketed lifestyles and escapism to keep people guided on a path they can keep control of. Most people barely know the full spectrum of what it actually means to be a living human being here. They are more like farm animals.
If they walk, how can they pay rent? Jobs aren’t available.
How can they pay rent without pay? This is probably gonna be the longest shutdown in history. Most people live paycheck to paycheck
They’ll lose their pension if they quit. They might have to kill Trump 🤷♂️
They can negotiate it back when they are rehired. Which they will be - there was already a shortage.
If they walk, air travel pretty much shuts down. The gov will have to react.
They won’t have that option because they will hire trumpets
It takes quite a bit of training and then experience in smaller operations before moving to the larger ones. You can't just hire random people for it. Well you can, but that will lead to disasters.
Correct, we should expect disasters
ICE. Stormtroopers. Meh. They both can't shoot for shit.