A Quarter of the CDC Is Gone
Another round of terminations, combined with previous layoffs and departures, has reduced the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention workforce by about 3,000 people since January.
https://www.wired.com/story/cdc-terminations-workforce-shutdown-rifs/Open linkView original on lemmy.dbzer0.com487
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I don't understand. It just does not make any sense, even for a far-right autocratic regime.
The only explanation is that whoever is pulling the strings behind all those clowns really just wants to destroy the whole government & administration. Using crackpot media pundits as useful idiots.
It’s called the Dark Enlightenment, they essentially want to accelerate civilization collapse so their utopian vision is realized. The financial backers behind Trump adopted this philosophy, and have articulated their plan: dismantle democracy, Balkanize America and establish a patchwork of technomonarchy city-states. People really need to be talking with their community about localization of production of basic necessities, otherwise it will be chaos, famine and death when the system fails.
I'd think this is a crazy conspiracy theory, except that it's pretty much all written down in the open. No crazy links to obscure Catholic orders and Mason lore and George Soros. It's just "Peter Thiel listens to Curtis Yarvin, and Thiel is getting his money's worth from saving the Trump Campaign from financial ruin".
For them, sure. Feudalism is pretty utopian when you’re a king, not a peasant
Yeah, isn't it funny how their utopia is everyone else's dystopia? Ha! Hilarious! 😮💨
The independent Texas power grid suddenly makes sense...
Until it fails from yet another once-in-a-century ice storm this decade. But they'll probably blame meteorologists for getting the once-in-a-century "wrong" rather than understand the effects of climate change.
Climate change and extreme wealth inequality are the primary drivers of civilization collapse. From that understanding, the actions of this administration makes perfect sense.
Especially if combined with rampant diseases and resource depletion.
Why were you down voted?
You kinda make a good point.
Their utopian vision is really weird. I like having humans, they create cool stuff. My anime, tasty plebian food, and so much more are made by the hands and minds of ordinary people.
What is the point of being "rich", if all the neat things are gone?
Because they don't think these things are neat. They like anything bland and gold. They want everyone to like the exact same stuff so you know exactly how much more theirs cost. They want you consuming exactly the same things so they can control people through the product.
Individuality and humanity run directly counter to their power.
It's times like these I'm happy that my mom still has her farmland and I spent all of high school working it. I need to invest in seeds.
Oof. I knew Peter Thiel and by extension this fucker's "philosophy" is behind it, but I guess I never realized how neatly it all fits until now.
Once again, dictators usually tell you what they want to do, better listen.
Except this time one has to be aware of the dictator behind the dictator, and way too few people are.
For Thiel, such a malleable (i.e. 100% corrupt) government must be his life's wet dream.
There is no profit in order. There is plenty in chaos.
They do, group number 1, billionaires who want their own neofuedal kingdoms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment
Group 2, Putin and Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Remember when Ronald Reagan said this in 1981?
American conservatives grabbed onto that line and have held it as gospel ever since. Kneecapping the government has been a major goal of theirs for over four decades now. You will sometimes hear people talk about "bleeding the beast": taking all the government benefits they can get their hands on and then dodging taxes, with the assumption they are helping to slowly kill the system. Unfortunately, there is no plan (AFAIK) for what they want the world to look like after the collapse.
Bleak. And this was a transatlantic trend, many European states had their own version. I just hope that this time around they learned their lesson before it all goes to the dogs: in the end lean government just gives more direct and undemocratic power to the rich who only speak the language of money. Which makes it hard to get out of, because what politician wants to cut off their own cash flow.
Less money spent on services means more money can be spent on the king’s new palace. At least that’s the way it worked in France long ago.
If the numbers are public, have a look at what your local dictator is spending it on.
Yes, Russia.
At this point, I'm convinced the motive for most of what the Trump regime does is gratuitous cruelty. Once you accept that explanation, all those motherfuckers do starts to make sense.
Maybe on the surface. Once you realize that Peter Thiel is the main cash daddy behind the posse, and how beholden he is to this "philosophy", it makes even more sense.
They won through lies and deception, now they need to comply unless they want to enrage their ever diminishing support base.
I'm sure it is something like 'lets make it private and 1000x more expensive. Also, only my guy has the right company for the task.'
I have a friend working there. At least she was until 4 AM Saturday. But surprise, she's working there again as of Sunday. Pure chaos!
Fucking imbecile MAGA ghouls, all of this because of contention over well-established, well-researches, well-supported results from inoculation campaigns, and the ideology surrounding medical treatment for the trans community. A lot of people are going to get sick in the U.S. (I know, I know, they already are but Measles outbreaks are set to increase in scale and scope), and this is going to get really, really fucking bad. Expect for people that you know to start dying from diseases that were killing members of your grandparent's generation. See image of U.S. states affected by Measles outbreaks in 2025:
Eh, I've decided people need to learn the hard way. Meanwhile, I'll be getting my government-sponsored shots & boosters for free here in the south. Good luck with everything, neighbors!
Our youngest had some form of measles before she could get the MMR vaccine. Wildest part was taking her to the hospital and no one knowing wtf to do. The doctors all basically shrugged and said good luck. She seems fine now 3 years later, but her immune system seems wildly fucked up. Like totally fine to some sicknesses and horrible responses to others.
Edit: I mean this in a, "It's Illegal to say what I want to do to you" way. If you don't get the MMR vaccine when you could've, you are directly responsible for my child's suffering. I want you to feel that suffering.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/measles-does-long-term-damage-immune-system-studies-show
We are very aware of the long term damage it may have caused. Hoping that us not being dumber than a bag of rocks and getting her vaccinated now helps.
She got is from someone, and there is a good chance this person was unvaccinated...
I'm glad that someone said this, it's often lost in the conversation about communicable diseases. Vaccination doesn't guarantee that you won't catch, suffer from, or transmit an illness. The jabs aren't Superman essence, it's just that in my understanding, you're more likely to be affected in a way more akin to getting hit by a bicycle than a MAC truck (you're hurt but not hopelessly crippled or killed outright), and less likely to pass it along. To what degree, I couldn't say, but it's less which is good by me.
Don't hesitate, if someone is stupid enough to do it and openly admit it, just punch them in the mouth immediately. No warning, right in the teeth.
Bold of you to assume people will learn. Didn't you hear about that couple whose kids died from measles and they said afterwards that they still feel their decision to not vaccinate the kid was right.
Some don't learn, even after getting lessons the hard way. Others forget very quickly. Someone posted this scanned news clipping from the early 20th century in light of similar 'anti-masking' during the COVID pandemic. It's always the same types of bullheaded dolts, and they're not the only ones falling victim to their imbecile behaviour.
I did not and that's wildly insane.
Except that vaccines partially work because of herd immunity. My kid is and was vaccinated against whooping cough, but enough fucktards here in Texas refuse vaccines that it is spreading and he caught it despite being vaccinated. He was ultimately fine because he was 14 with a good immune system, but pertussis can be fatal for some patients, especially those too young to get vaccinated.
You don't sound like your smart enough to understand this explanation, but at least I tried.
I have a degree in pharmacology and biochemistry. Back off.
Yeah? I bet you're an expert.
The irony.
They shouldn't have made a personal attack like that, but they're not wrong. Herd immunity is needed. Individual vaccination, while helpful, isn't fool proof. Especially for highly infectious diseases like measles.
Idk, my advisor, a PhD in immunology, argued that the evidence for herd immunity in vaccine effectiveness was a bit shaky. I think I'm gonna listen to her rather than a random commenter with a personal agenda to Prove Me Wrong like that commenter.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'personal agenda.' I'm legitimately trying to have a productive conversation so please don't take anything said as a personal affront. We're just trying to express the importance of herd immunity as it stands from expert consensus on the subject.
If you have any studies on herd immunity not being as important, I would love to read through them.
I understand why you trust your advisor. I'm lucky enough to be friends with someone who was a professor of infectious disease, has a PhD in virology and created a vaccine. They are my go to for anything on the subject matter. Again, anything you can share on the topic is greatly appreciated.
That was for
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If you actually studied this science, then you should have learned not to listen to any one person's opinion. There is no shortage of Nobel laureates saying stupid things for which they know nothing about.
If someone says the science is shakey then it's more scientific to believe them than believe someone who is confident the theory is correct.
I think I'm going to listen to my immunology professor on things about immunology, but thanks for the reminder not to listen to people's opinions, especially online.
Non scholarly https://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-breakthrough-cases-vaccination-important/story?id=120276354
scholarly https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9413104/
Given 97% efficacy of measles vaccine, how do you explain many countries have had measles elimination for so long?
I don't think you were following the thread closely. I'm not arguing against the efficacy of vaccines. There's exactly one sentence about herd immunity in your second link, and even then I'm only sharing the opinion of someone I know.
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dies of Scarlet Fever
Only been let's see here... ah 4 years since the last global pandemic. Yep, good time to gut the agency tasked with responding to pandemics 🫠
Gutting it again. Trump killed the pandemic response team in his first term.
The first time he pulled any funding the US had for foreign pandemic prevention because Republicans don't see the point of spending money on another person. Just a year and a half before COVID started actually. Because they know better than anyone else that infections unlike illegal aliens respect international boarders and an endemic in Asia can never become a global pandemic that reaches American shores. That's obviously antifa propaganda.
/S incase it wasn't obvious enough
Yeah. Because just not looking for new diseases erupting is such a great idea. I hope Europe and China are doing their due diligence, and hopefully we don't have the next big disease kick off in the USA.
Oh it most certainly will. The worst pandemic is one full of ignorant people and leadership. They’re basically a powdered keg from a disease standpoint.
No point in diligence when the response was poorly coordinated between European countries and China just denied SARSCov2 was even a problem. Sweden and Holland did fuck all.
We did do a lot. But our government has done the job of kicking the can for years. Thanks to Rutte...
Next pandemic is gonna be lit.
As in, the cities will burn.
They already are.
DEC 10 2024 - Malibu
Malibu barbie was asked for comment.
Well, fire is a good method for eradicating certain pathogens. Just hopefully, the idiot king doesn't start talking about getting fire inside people to fight the disease.
If anyone at the CDC is reading this: destroy the smallpox sample before trump decides to use it.
This looks like a silent invasion 70s script.
They Live
Friend of mine working on big shit there got furloughed then fully fired as of Friday from the CDC.
Make miasma theory great again.
I read this in Jar Jar Bink's voice
You ask why? I think the ideological side of Maga understands, on some basic level, the challenges of ecological overshoot. They heard about degrowth and are trying the psychopath version of getting populations down.
Short of an all out war, disease is the next best way to shave some numbers off our 8.2 billion. Remember the US CDC also studies every nightmare bacteria and virus, including gain of function. Now we have a bunch of unemployed and unemployable virologists whose degrees just became useless. I wonder if anyone might steal from their employer and have a 12 Monkeys kind of time.
Apparently MAGA has innate super-immunity and doesn't have any need for the CDC or vaccines.
Fascists believe that only the strongest should survive and everyone else must die. So if you get sick and die it proves you were inherently inferior and didn't deserve to live. Eugenicism and the abuse of evolutionary theory are rife among the far right. And they all assume that they themselves are the Übermenschen whose genetic superiority will protect them from disease, so they have no need for government protection, unlike their inferiors. They'll believe this right up until they're in intensive care with bird flu, whereupon they'll start panicking and changing their minds, just like Republicans did under COVID. But this message won't get through to their peers because their peers too don't care about it until they themselves are in trouble. Unless they're wealthy, in which case they'll buy themselves the care they're denying to others, and consider this very fact proof that they are superior and deserve to live.
This is a fundamental aspect of conservatism. Just look at MTG suddenly standing up for ACA subsidies now that her adult children's premiums will be doubling. She literally said so herself.
That's right, they have those magic beds.
So like kids can’t get measles vaccines? I had to. Measles mumps and rubella and chicken pox. Trumps want to pick and choose which one we get so we take one vaccine at a time?