Oh i agree completely I’m just saying that’s why its so weird. I was just being too minimalist in my comment i guess because otherwise i feel like I’m rambling
It's not just a Hololive thing; Vshojo was an outlier in that it's talents could maintain their identities when they left the company, but every other Vtubet agency does the same thing.
Weird that VSPO is counted separately when it's a subsidiarity of BraveGroup, which manages or "manages" a lot of different vtuber orgs. They would be higher if all the orgs were counted together.
Also, they're starting to have their own fuckary now.
That's just the way Japanese do these things, look at the rules their YouTuber and what not have to stick to, talking about this stuff could be real, serious legal ramifications. Craziness.
meh. Anyone from that big of a company that wants to be found again, will be found again. Cover also doesn't seen punish their talents for honest mistakes like when Kiara had her little slipup on her personal account. This biggest issue happened when Mel shared some internal company matters with a friend she trusted, which because Cover is publicly traded, could count as Insider Trading and the company couldn't look the other way.
I am not about to say that someone's else's culture is wrong. Even if I personally feel that way, that is only my opinion, and only applies to me and how I might choose to interact with another culture.
I am not an authority on what is right or wrong in a culture, and quite frankly, neither are you.
Most of the time, they move on to other projects. Like when you graduate highschool and go to college. The term comes from idol culture and often times when an Idol "graduates", they move onto a solo music career, form a group with other graduated talents, pursue an acting career or simply become private citizens again.
IDOl CulturE iS SO toXIC!!!
Yeah, so is the culture around child actors/musicians in the west.
If it helps, here's a story that's the exception that proves the rule...
We adopted a dog. A beautiful Romanian Shepherd. Lovely dog, friendly as fuck, mega playful... but wasn't a fan of kids. That was unfortunate, because our kids loved the dog but after a while the dog got a bit bitey. No warning, no growl, just fuck you and chomp. Thankfully, the only thing that stopped him from doing some serious damage was that he was a good boi and never proper sunk his teeth in.
Long story boring, we tried to rehome him, tried to calm him, tried to train him out of it, but the dog wouldn't settle. Took him to the vets to give him a once over before the rescue charity took him back... and he bit the vet. That fucked a lot of things - the rescue was mega wary, the vet had recommended euthanasia, and keeping him wasn't an option.
Long story short, we found a farm that specialised in dogs that had some "behavioural quirks", and we took him halfway across the country to live there. It was a lovely place - loads of land, quiet, and dozens of corners where he could do his favourite thing - sit in a corner and chew on his toy.
It may be possible eventually, but we ain't there yet. A big problem is having consistency across sessions, especially if the vtuber interacts with the audience in a natural way. Streamers need to interface with the culture of their followers in a reactive way to meet the current standards, so it'll take time. It's not like a 1 on 1 convo with a single user. They also tend to play games and do interactive tasks which add even more challenges.
Like I said, this all seems possible, but not as straightforward as you imagine.
As someone pretty deep in the AI space, it's probably just on the edge of becoming possible right now... I'm sure they're experimenting with it, but it's absolutely not the case yet.
Vtubing terminology is the single stupidest aspect of the entire thing.
It’s literally just Japanese idol terminology
Their point still stands
Oh i agree completely I’m just saying that’s why its so weird. I was just being too minimalist in my comment i guess because otherwise i feel like I’m rambling
I thought idols were like..dead fictional gods?
What you mean like it's just direct translations of Japanese terms into English?
Even weirder how hololive forbids talking about their new carreers as if their dead not graduated
It's not just a Hololive thing; Vshojo was an outlier in that it's talents could maintain their identities when they left the company, but every other Vtubet agency does the same thing.
Didn't Vshojo have their own variety of fuckery?
Yeah, they stole half a million in donations their talents had made for a charity
And then the entire company collapsed over the course of like 3 days.
Embezzlement/fraud iirc. But it was small proportionally in total viewership:
The real comparison would probably be between corporate and independent vtubers overall.
Weird that VSPO is counted separately when it's a subsidiarity of BraveGroup, which manages or "manages" a lot of different vtuber orgs. They would be higher if all the orgs were counted together.
Also, they're starting to have their own fuckary now.
That's just the way Japanese do these things, look at the rules their YouTuber and what not have to stick to, talking about this stuff could be real, serious legal ramifications. Craziness.
meh. Anyone from that big of a company that wants to be found again, will be found again. Cover also doesn't seen punish their talents for honest mistakes like when Kiara had her little slipup on her personal account. This biggest issue happened when Mel shared some internal company matters with a friend she trusted, which because Cover is publicly traded, could count as Insider Trading and the company couldn't look the other way.
That's just what IP does to culture. The actors are people, but the Vtubers themselves are characters owned by hololive.
I don't even know what a vtuber retirement is. When they stop streaming?
When they stop streaming as that character.
The term "graduating" comes from Japanese pop idol culture, where a pop idol retiring is called "graduating."
Creepy and weird IMO
And I say this as a bit of a weeb
Its a culture difference. Its not my place to police another culture, I am just saying what the origin of the term is.
Culture is not a monolith
I am not about to say that someone's else's culture is wrong. Even if I personally feel that way, that is only my opinion, and only applies to me and how I might choose to interact with another culture.
I am not an authority on what is right or wrong in a culture, and quite frankly, neither are you.
And as we all know, you have to be a legally recognized authority on a subject to express an opinion about it online.
Fortunately, in my jurisdiction I'm licensed as a RightHandOfKaros-is-wierdologist.
We've had First Gura, yes, but what about Second Gura?
Technically we are into third gura if im not mistaken.
Yup and all three of them got YouTube Golden Play Buttons.
When they leave their agency
Dooby, Saba, Mint, Doki, Nimi, and Henya.
All my oshis must be Jason Bourne, because they survived the kill squads and returned from the dead.
Edit: How could I forget Henya?
My brain turned off for a second and I thought you were listing Linux distros
All roads lead to Linux here in Lemmy
Window Saba 2000
Some of them had done it multiple times, even
Most of the time, they move on to other projects. Like when you graduate highschool and go to college. The term comes from idol culture and often times when an Idol "graduates", they move onto a solo music career, form a group with other graduated talents, pursue an acting career or simply become private citizens again.
Yeah, so is the culture around child actors/musicians in the west.
It's actually like molting, they might disappear for a couple weeks then show up in a different skin
But it's also a very dangerous process and disturbing them during this period can cause them to hurt themselves
Not deep in the vtuber culture, but I thought the term comes from things like Love Live. The idols are supposed to be high school students.
It's like that scene in Cloud Atlas.
If it helps, here's a story that's the exception that proves the rule...
We adopted a dog. A beautiful Romanian Shepherd. Lovely dog, friendly as fuck, mega playful... but wasn't a fan of kids. That was unfortunate, because our kids loved the dog but after a while the dog got a bit bitey. No warning, no growl, just fuck you and chomp. Thankfully, the only thing that stopped him from doing some serious damage was that he was a good boi and never proper sunk his teeth in.
Long story boring, we tried to rehome him, tried to calm him, tried to train him out of it, but the dog wouldn't settle. Took him to the vets to give him a once over before the rescue charity took him back... and he bit the vet. That fucked a lot of things - the rescue was mega wary, the vet had recommended euthanasia, and keeping him wasn't an option.
Long story short, we found a farm that specialised in dogs that had some "behavioural quirks", and we took him halfway across the country to live there. It was a lovely place - loads of land, quiet, and dozens of corners where he could do his favourite thing - sit in a corner and chew on his toy.
I miss that dog, but I'm glad he's happy.
That exception didn't prove the rule at all
Thank you for your feedback!
But just the av not the actual person. Digital ol yeller’d
We don't know that for sure.
Gura is shark fin soup now.
Up, up, up to the heaviside layer.
Edit whoops supposed to be a reply to another comment
I assumed it was just the company pulling the plug on that particular AI personality, maybe I'm thinking of something else
You're giving AI too much credit. There are real workers behind every popular vtuber, at least right now
Something as simple as a (virtual) Youtuber seems simple enough even for AI
It may be possible eventually, but we ain't there yet. A big problem is having consistency across sessions, especially if the vtuber interacts with the audience in a natural way. Streamers need to interface with the culture of their followers in a reactive way to meet the current standards, so it'll take time. It's not like a 1 on 1 convo with a single user. They also tend to play games and do interactive tasks which add even more challenges.
Like I said, this all seems possible, but not as straightforward as you imagine.
As someone pretty deep in the AI space, it's probably just on the edge of becoming possible right now... I'm sure they're experimenting with it, but it's absolutely not the case yet.
Live probably not. But making fake live, that is already happening
As in "They went with a bang!"?
https://youtu.be/NJqsBQyWZKE