A Canadian politician is openly spreading Nazi propaganda
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"A Canadian politician"
Isn't this guy the head of their conservative party?
Yup.
After he lost in the election,
Some rando step aside and give him his conservative seat.
Also he didn't even get the re elected in his own riding
Hey now, it could have been the liberal party. They've made the "Whoopsie!" of endorsing fascism before.
Taking over from a US citizen.
Probably not for long
Yes, the leaders of the parties are, in fact, politicians. I'm not seeing what point you're trying to make, he's even cited as "the leader of Canada's official opposition party" farther down the page.
I'm discussing the headline, and yes I'm aware they're politicians, headlines conventionally refer to people by the most notable thing about them if they can't get away with directly naming them and people knowing who they're talking about.
"A Canadian politician" implies some borderline rando rather than the leader of a major opposition party, which is more concerning than the headline implies
You're reaching, the headline is hardly doing that, and the article certainly isn't. Even someone unfamiliar with Canadian political parties and their members couldn't possibly come away with the impression that Poilievre is a "borderline rando" unless they failed to spend 30 seconds reading that 1/4 essay of a blurb.
Again I'm talking about the headline in isolation, not the rest of the article.
The reason it's important is that if people do read "borderline rando" rather than "leader of a significant party", there's a much greater chance they don't click and get the extra context
The headline is doing exactly that. My first reaction was "of course some asshole is, probably a conservative." And then I clued into the photo and recognized the buffoon. If I wasn't a Canadian, or didn't have the picture, or maybe wasn't good with faces, I would have scrolled by not realizing the idiot in question iis the leader of the Conservative Party.
A responsible headline would have said that. It might as well have said "A random white guy from Canada is openly spreading propaganda." I mean it's a true headline right? Not misleading at all.
Man we had such a nice break from him since the election.
Not on my Facebook feed 😒
Where else would I go to see old people yell about the youth?????
I hear that it's fun to stay at the YMCA 🤷
That's what you get on a Nazi social media site.
It’s how I talk to my mom. Sorry for having a mother I love?
I used to just call my mom.
He's a f--king dumbass. Lot's of us Canadians refer to him as "Piss Pants" or "Pee Pee".
Sadly, that doesn't disqualify him from holding office.
The fact that he can't get Canadians to vote for him, however does.
Thats Little Pee Pee, thank you very much.
He’s a piece of shit. Got voted out last election and then made another politician resign so he could run a “safe” conservative riding in Alberta. He is a garbage person with zero redeeming qualities who has never passed a piece of legislation despite being a lifelong politician never having any other job. He’s a grifter who has sucked off the taxpayer tit his entire career. He lives in taxpayer subsidized housing . He will never be Canadas Prime Minister. We call him PeePee, or Millhouse or just “massive douchebag”.
He got voted out AND lost his riding.
For those in the US, it's the equivalent of a governor with presidential aspirations blowing a 30 point lead to lose the election, then immediately getting voted out of his governorship, only to then ask Greg Abbott to step down so he can run for governor of Texas while living in DC.
More like a senator than a governor
The guy fails big. And with no shame. We should give it a name.
Pp level fail.
He and Danielle smith need to fuck right off this planet. Send them back to mars
Hard agree.
Shut him up now or you'll be like us in less than a decade.
It's already far deeper than him.. he's just what bubbled to the surface in that pot.
Canada being a racist country pretending to be progressive is its biggest flaw, I grew up hearing about how perfect Canada is, and then I got older and learned about residential schools and genocide and how they have historically treated people like me. Now im old and I see a country that doesn’t care that its citizens can’t afford food or rent or a future. It was all a lie.
Having said that, pp represents the people who caused all the misery and hate for centuries
Too late. Country has already shifted right.
He's just the latest in Rupert Murdoch's line of pets he has trying to spread his shit across Canada.
Harper was one too but thankfully his plan to implement Sun news, which would have been a news channel that was the Canadian equivalent of Fox, was never brought to fruition.
But sadly much of rural Canada drinks the Fox news firehose.
Dont brush it off. Look at us to the south. Dont brush this off. Chase these people with pitch forks and torches until they are forced to make their own shantytown in the wilderness. It won't go away they have to be forcibly removed.
It's not going to take that long. there are a lot of people that really love them
but yes I do hope that we can sort our shit out and not end up like you. and if we do, please everybody else treat us like shit
Unfortunately his base laps this shit up like free Monster Energy at an anti vax rally
Nazism and the Oil & Gas Industry have been inexorably bound for over a century.
It's more that all capitalism in industry is tied to Nazism, not just Oil & Gas unfortunately
And in a way that’s fine because he will never appeal to swing (liberal-conservative) voters with his extremism which means his party will never win with him as leader. Which is fine by me. It’s been a decade since Harper left and no one from that shit party has won since Harper. They need a moderate like Erin O’Toole or Peter McKay to actually win. But the CP party has been taken over by reform alliance douchebags, so they won’t win.
Didn't they literally run with Erin O'Toole and still not win? So that doesn't seem like the answer
Erin O’Toole was too moderate for the fucks in the con party,
It's never a bad day to punch a nazi.
Milhouse is already very punchable, Nazi or not. So sick of seeing him everywhere.
Fuck that guy. I hate pp so much.
Heh, but...
"Fuck that guy" - not lesbians
Tiny PP is a piece of shit. I had hoped Canada had cut off its PP earlier this year but Nazis are like hydras
well we did. and then one of his lackeys who did win in some butt fuck no where town decided to step down so PP could have it. I mean the guy not only lost the PM race but also lost his home riding so he quite literally had to move somewhere else and have that place handed to him.
Ah yes, gloss past the fact that they were nationalists before they were socialists, even if you take their name at face value.
Fucking Polievere. Every time I think he can't get any more unlikable.
He has to be the worst candidate they have put forward in a long time, carney is pissing me off but this guy is dangerous. As soon as he came back he started in in immigrants and his supporters started up their racist protests
It seems that Beaver Trump wants to invoke the tired, old "But socialism in 'national socialism!'" trick. Surely, the same logic applies to Deutsche Demokratische Republik. I remember coming across Poilievre during the WE Charity scandal. I'm not Canadian but I really like their Fifth Estate documentaries and their coverage on the aforementioned scandal caught my eye. In a separate video, Poilievre grills the two heads of the operation. This seemly obscure Canadian PM suddenly became Canada's
favoritefavourite politician and possibly the next prime minister. But it soon become clear that Poilievre was just another right-wing, Trump-esque populist.So if socialism is bad because it's in the name of Nazis, then democratic republics for the people must be pretty horrible too, going by the DPRK.
While we're cherry-picking, the Kingdom of Norway is consistently one of the best countries to live in across several metrics. So clearly we should go back to kingdoms, because it's in the name. Sometimes the old ways are best XD
There's a much more-fundamental example:
Socialism is when parents shelter, clothe, & feed, their children, who don't have earnings to shelter/clothe/feed themselves.
Every parent who feeds their babies is demonstrating socialism, no matter what their politics purport to be.
Keep the framing universal, & that guts the gaslighting's position MUCH more effectively.
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Thanks for sharing that idea! I appreciate what you’re getting at: that basic care (food, clothing) embodies the tenet of equality in socialism. However, the example of a parent feeding a child doesn't quite capture the power-relations, freedoms, and systems aspects of socialism. I don't think we really want to say a master feeding/clothing their slave or a king feeding/clothing a favorite court jester is really "demonstrating socialism". Socialism is about how society as a whole arranges ownership, production, and resource distribution (i.e. collective ownership of the means of production). It's a counter to capitalism.
Parental relationships are, ironically, a special case where limiting freedoms and greater power disparity are justified in most egalitarian systems. We usually don't give children ownership over the means of production.
Good formal description: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socialism
He's trying to be disruptive in the same way as politicians in the Trump regime, and there's probably a reason for that. Maybe the same reason he won't get his security clearance?
He's dollar store Trump?
https://youtu.be/R59JmC0u63I
Kick him in the mouth
Weenie.
So glad this goof didnt get elected.
Well, he had to have his own election to get a seat this time around.
He may win next election unfortunatly
Yeah Carney pulled out the win on anti-Trump sentiment but since then he's put his elbows down. Way down.
Our Liberals are as weak as the Democrats and we're all going to pay for it.
The pro trump anti woke rhetoric is not popular. I didnt believe it since I live in Alberta and my sample group is a bunch of drooling fucking morons, but after watching him tank the last election by leaning pro trump I think they will have to ditch him and that approach if the conservatives want to win.
I hope you are rightt
I hope you're right but with the way Carney is absolutely shitting the bed with leftists, I'm not sure we'll have as many people leaning Liberal next time which could lead to a Conservative minority. I know a lot of people that are regretting not voting NDP even though they normally would have.
Yes. Stupidity and hate is also a weapon for the Canadian-style fascists.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣no
How do you know?
Because an extremist like him cannot convince enough swing voters to vote for him. I know conservatives who voted for Carney because he’s essentially a Blue Tory or what would have been a progressive conservative back in the day before the Conservative Party in Canada got taken over by the extremist Reform party. No way PeePee appeals to enough moderates. Harper and Peter McKay merged the conservatives and the reform and we haven’t had a conservative PM since Harper a decade ago. Canadians federally are mostly just liberal.
Not to mention, as long as Doug Ford (the most powerful conservative in Canada) is in power in Ontario, federally the country will never go conservative. There is always either a conservative federal government with a liberal Ontario provincial government or a liberal federal government with a conservative Ontario provincial government. They never align.
So no. PeePee will never be PM.
Extremist Trump won though and it was obvious that he would make america trash again
We have an entirely different system up here.
From what I've read, Canada DOESN'T designate nazis as terrorists.
Chickens DO come home to roost, "leaders", INEVITABLY.
Correct the problem!
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I can never tell if politicians honestly believe the National Socialism of the Nazis was actually socialist, of if they're taking advantage of dumb voters. If it's the opinion of a "man on the street", then yes, he's that dumb.
After spending a couple of years on Lemmy and hearing actual socialist rhetoric, I can see why people would conflate the two.
I think the answer to your confusion is in the fact that the actions National Socialists always take is the oppression and subjugation of the vulnerable in society.
that in itself is proof that they are not socialists, but fascists.
Their rhetoric was that they'd target the secret cabal controlling the banking system. Their actions were to subjugate the vulnerable, but that's exactly what socialist governments do, too.
This fucking guy almost made Prime Minister. That's how close we got to more of this bullshit.
PP so pathetic. Lost the election lost his riding lost his mind. And he’s a career politician. So none of this is excusable.
Pathetic.
I thought this guy was supposed to be smart?
I think he's banking on his followers being not-zo smart
No, his claims are not "simply" ignorant, as the article claims:
his claims are INTENTIONALLY ignorant, which is malevolent, is disinformation, & is gaslighting-of-fact.
The difference between the 2 states is signficant.
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Is he as dumb as our clown in chief
not quite as much dementia
readers adding context intensifies
This guy is human garbage. One of the moat dishonest politicians in Canadian history. If carney hadn't run, we have had freedland, and she'd have had a historical lose to pp because of her ties to trudeau. We'd be the 51st state already.
There's no nazi propagand in what he said. You could argue he's wrong, but this headline is a clickbait for stupids
The claim that the Nazis were actually socialists is an early Nazi lie - it's in the name of the party after all - to gain votes. They never changed that name, so they perpetrated that lie and never officially retracted it. They were fascist, not socialist. It's not impossible to be both, I grant you, but one does not imply the other.
Modern right-wing detractors of socialism, especially those on the far right, like to use the lie to decry socialism, all the while secretly revering a good portion of Nazi politics.
People always complain that socialism is a slippery slope into fascism yet are somehow blind that capitalism is doing the same thing.
Literally noone does. It's a slippery slope to totalitarianism, but that's not the same as fascizm
I mean... socialism as an economic system isn't strictly incompatible with ethnic nationalism, so long as you're willing to buy into the eugenic arguments of who constitutes "real people". Once you consign a certain share of the population to the category of "property" and "pests", you can slap the framework for a socialist system on top of the nightmarish politics of mass murder.
One could argue that Germany's rapid resurgence in the wake of the Great Depression came about precisely because the reactionary movement wasn't hopelessly wedded to the libertarian laisse-faire economics. The boom that Germany enjoyed in the 1930s was absolutely the result of a radically left wing approach to centralized state-run planning. But the purpose of that surge in productivity was to invade, loot, and plunder German's immediate neighbors in a quest of European and North African re-colonization.
What separates modern Trumpism from European fascism is this hopeless adherence to market theories of economic advancement. You can see it plainly in the government shutdown fight. Trump wants to fire millions of federal workers, under the dogged assumption that his erstwhile friends in the Tech Sector can replace them all with a fancy computer.
He's all in on the Superiority Color Wheel, but fully divested of respect for engineering, logistics, and agricultural best-practices. Say what you will about Rommel, but the man knew how to budget out a tank of gas. Trumpism is about flooding the markets with paper currency and hoping his C-level buddies in banking and tech can figure out how to do economic management better than he can.
There's a massive logical fallacy here. The fact that someone doesn't like socialism, doesn't make them nazi.
Sure. They could just be deluged in the neoliberal free market propaganda of the current media cycle.
But they're also a crop of individuals ripe for fascist ideology. The Randian Objectivists of the 1980s were slowly and inexorably converted into the Bush Era Christian Nationalists of the War on Terror Era. The Tea Party Libertarians of the 2000s were ultimately indoctrinated into the QAnon/MAGA movement of the 2020s. Once you buy into this idea of certain classes of people being economic parasites who deserve to be disciplined or exterminated by the Invisible Hand, you're primed to accept that you can spot these people based on their race or religion or ideological affiliation.
Nazism is downstream of capitalism. Henry Ford was handing out copies of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in all his dealerships for a reason.
facepalm
‘Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’
‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
‘What’, I continued my cross-examination, ‘are the fundamental planks of your platform?’
‘We believe in a healthy mind, in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous.’
‘Mussolini’, I interjected, ‘said the same to me’. Hitler beamed.
‘The slums’, he added, ‘are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised… If we wish to save Germany, we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work.’
‘Where will you find the room to work?’
‘We must retain our colonies and expand eastward. There was a time when we could have shared world domination with England. Now we must stretch our cramped limbs only toward the east. The Baltic is necessarily a German lake.'”