Google is blocking AI searches for Trump and dementia
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Trump has dementia confirmed
Like Duterte and his impairment caused by fentanyl, he is but a puppet for a bunch of murderous cunts who keep him propped up if only to have him sign their policies favoring them for profit.
Like a number of Roman emperors or European kings
And shits his pants. Beside being a cunt all his life.
He can’t be a cunt. He lacks the warmth and depth, not to mention utility.
Forget the spokesperson, just ask Google AI directly:
Okay, but why? LLMs always give a response, they’re trained to give a response regardless of accuracy. This entire wall of text could be completely made up.
So, essentially the same as a company spokesperson!
Absolutely. It's the same untrustworthy substanceless nonsense.
We need to concern ourselves with what the corporations do.
Who gives a shit how they explain themselves?
Once the corps do something egregiously bad, we should not ask for an explanation. We should insist they change how they behave. Period.
Yeah, we consistently give the wrong answer on any divisive and sensitive topic, but THIS particular issue we will skip because we wouldn't want somebody to feel like we don't have our tongue solidly lodged up their ass
Yeah, it's insanely inept. They could have restricted the AI from answering "any question about a public figure and dementia" or even "the health information about a politician" or whatever if they were genuinely concerned. But they blocked only specifically Trump and dementia? It's almost intentionally obvious.
Now ask it about Biden and dementia and see if it does the same thing. 🤔
I did both yesterday. Biden returns no result at all.
I don't believe you. I've tried twice and got the same results both times.
"Oh...oh okay. So you know what that is. Why are unable to provide traditional web links for ALL my searches? Because, I'm gonna be honest with you Google. I never asked for you to 'summarize' my web results and the fact that you can turn it off at your discretion tells me that you could turn it off for everyone."
You don't have to use Google, you know...
Startpage for the win!
Ok, but it has no problem answering about Biden's dementia
Duckduckgo, on the other hand ...
Wtf, confirmed. Ask about any person, any president on if they have dementia or not and it'll answer
Ask about trump and it refused to interact, just dumps a search results window with funnily enough the first result being a page about how Google is censoring this
Surfacing the result of how they are censoring the results might be a canary in a coal mine, we can't say we're doing it but we can make the top result someone else saying we're doing it.
The incentives don't allow for this shit in an organization like Google. They can only respond to stock price and earnings.
Very likely someone back channeled a demand and they folded like a deck of cards.
So the team responsible for that AI box added Trump dementia to the list of things it won't respond to.
The team responsible for the news bits didn't get the request so that just shows up in its place.
True for the organization as a whole, but a pissed off engineer or two could have done it, and the people above them are just leaning on "it's the algorithm" since they don't agree with the censorship either.
I'm sure the C Suite will step in and make them change it but it takes time for them to address the issue.
I'm not saying that's what is going on, but I've witnessed my own department head pull similar tricks, albeit his tricks weren't as high stakes as this would be.
"what does dementia look like in 47th presidents"
Works good, search gets the wink and nudge.
Can confirm 😂
also works if you replace "trump" with "the president of the usa" in your search:
edit: it seems like it's inserting Biden into the prompt in the background now...
Not working for me, says AI overview not available.
Many are saying it's the worst dementia they have seen. The best people in fact.
The most tremendous dementia they have seen. The greatest people have looked at me and said it's the biggest, greatest case they have seen. The biggest of all time.
This is so succinctly Trump. 😂 Bravo! Really captures the essence in one and a half sentences.
Dimensia Donny seems like a nickname that could fit
Dinky Dick Dimensia Don
Diddles Diminutive Daughters
How about "Donnie Dementia"?
Seems to work.
"We're going to punish you by making the results a regular search."
They're threatening us with a good time. 🤷
"does donald trump have dementia, also how to sort an array in C#"
That's an example of it specifically not working.
Lol, they can't pull everything.
Make Alzheimer's Great Again
Same for searching: “did Elon Musk make a nazi salute?” Only got a response when I replaced “nazi salute” with “offensive gesture”. Ok google
fuck me. i don't know why people still use google search; it was shit even before all this. jumped ship years ago.
What are you using now? I've been toying with kagi for a while, but the idea of having to use an account that ties all my searches to me doesn't sit well with my sense of privacy, and none of the others get results remotely close to google.
i disagree. Google's results went to shit for me years ago. the first page was literally just ads, sponsored links that had nothing to do with my search or looked like what i was looking for but were phishing/malware sites, regular results that were less about what i searched and more about what google found more appropriate for me.
i started to use duckduckgo despite its incredibly stupid name and it's just like old times for me. except now it has AI assist which you can turn off or set how often you want to see it.
two things that helped sell me DDG was bangs and DDG browser. i got used to using DDG browser as default on mobile except for things i wanted to have persistent sessions on, which are very rare it turns out. bangs also help you directly search specific sites or even google in the unlikely event i would want to try to search that monstrosity instead. if you search for something and you don't find what you want and want to try Google instead, just add !g to the search and it directs you to Google search instead. !gi for Google images.
there are tons of other bangs, like !w for Wikipedia and !imdb for... you'll never guess but i use it sometimes.
I use duck duck go
Duckduckgo is the "change in 5 seconds" answer. Its better but still problematic somewhat. The search results are at least a ton better though.
Thanks, maybe time to try again. I used it years ago but the results were not great.
So you're saying that we should do more AI searches for "Trump Dementia"
... and use variations of it like ... "Trump old losing his mind", "Trump old senile", "Trump dementia don", "Donny Dementia", "Ding Dong Dementia Donny Trump"
L M A O
Good thing I stopped using google a long time ago.
The whole value in searching is to get me to primary sources in a reasonably efficient way. Everything about AI is inserting extra middle men. I just don't understand how anyone tolerates it.
It's further evidence of their compliance. This is useful news for people who haven't caught on yet.
In this case, I believe this article was written for those of us who are smart enough to realise that AI is all bullshit, and who understand that most people aren't smart enough to figure out that first bit.
AI is the future, old man.
Google AI has dementia
Can I get unavailable AI overviews for all my searches? Then Google has a chance to be usable again
I've been a Kagi user for over a year and I usually hate AI summaries. Though I must say I love how Kagi has implemented them as it gives sources where it found the info so you can dig deeper and see if what it said was actually correct.
Their AI is pretty good, both assistant and search summaries. Been using it extensively as it actually provides correct and objective information (at least more often than others). It is also privacy-first, so you don't get those annoying personality shifts as with like GPT.
Kagi's summaries are great.
They're hidden by default, requiring you to click the button first. They don't extrapolate too much. And their sources will be the exact same links you got from the search.
I just put a question mark at the end and it does it automatically. Works like a charm.
I use mojeek, and startpage sometimes. Ddg is too influenced now, they do the same stuff Google does. Brave is run by people who hate LGBT people so I can't support them in good conscience.
Google is evil.
kagi is the best search engine right now. hands down. google can suck it.
There really has not been a better time than the late 90s to launch a new better search engine and supplant google
Kagi does provide a good experience but it can never replace the free search engines. It relies pretty heavily on Google's search API it just allows you to massage the results with tools Google took away.
Kagi uses Bing as its primary search index AFAIK, so no Google search API there.
That said, it does run entirely on Google Cloud Services, which I personally find ironic.
So what your saying is it doesn't rely on just one but two massive corps to actually deliver it's product which is ment to be an alterative to those very products?
Kek
There's no such thing as freedom here.
Ok, so don’t look for an AI response? Sure, Google censoring results is shit, google NOT censoring results about the same query about Biden is even shittier, but you still get search results about the question.
This is probably payback for letting them off the hook on the monopoly suits. Expect more "payback" as they manipulate the narrative.
lmfao. Google isn't the only search engine.
This isn't about what you use, it's about what the majority of the voting public uses and the influence on them.
Oh so youre saying that AI companies can control what the AI says?
So meta letting their AI sext with children was intentional then...
What's a good google alternative?
Duckduckgo Ecosia Startpage Brave search
If you don't mind paying a little I have found that Kagi is the best. Sure, the others mentions are free but subpar, even to google. Kagi is simply better but with the downside of a monthly subscription. I love that they are quite transparent with changelogs and stuff when the make changes.
Kagi.
The downside is that it costs $10 per month.
The upside is:
@wis the same as typingsite:wikipedia.comWhen I first migrated a couple years ago, it was a bit worse than Google but pretty close. Nowadays, I find it to be much much better. It's honestly close to how Google was back in 2015 before they made it garbage.
Why would anyone need to search that tbh
What about "Peter Thiel" plus some desease?