Jesse Watters says America needs to bomb or “maybe gas” the United Nations
WATTERS: And then they sabotaged the teleprompter. I mean, this is an insurrection. And what we need to do is either leave the UN or we need to bomb it. It is in New York though right?
GUTFELD: Yeah, it is.
WATTERS: Could be some fallout there. Alright, maybe gas it?
DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Let's not do that.
WATTERS: Don't gas it. Okay, but we need to destroy it. Maybe can we demolish the building? Have everybody leave and then we will demolish the building.
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The UN is headquartered in New York. This guy therefore is directly calling for terrorist acts to be committed on US soil. That's slammer-worthy.
Who's doing the political violence again?
It was also founded in San Francisco.
I always wondered why it was called UN plaza
The UN is not on US soil, it's been international territory for a very long while
"akshually."
You do get it, right, buddy? It is located within the boundaries of the contiguous lower 48. Moreover, in its most populous city.
Quit being obtuse.
It was acute attempt though.
Being infantile is not the same as being cute.
I took it as acute, as opposed to obtuse.
I should add; omg acute angle UwU frfr
And here I thought the problem was chronic.
Yeah, but he's right in that it's not US soil, so if someone does bomb it, the American justice system can just ignore it and foreign powers don't have any power over American citizens located within the boundaries of the US anyway
Nobody disputed that. It's just exhausting. You think the US would respond neutrally if another entity bombed the UN Building? There's a tiny park in Tampa that is technically Cuban soil. Do you think Cuba would file articles of war if the US bulldozed José Martí Park for apartments?
No, I think if an American domestic terrorist does it, there’s a nice little "didn’t happen in America" defense.
It's distasteful how people who are incorrect can bully and convince others to the contrary to bury truth.
The United Nations Plaza is firmly extraterritorial as stated in Article III, Section 7(a) of the Headquarters of the United Nations Agreement (1947). US law applies in this territory only to the extent it does not interfere with regulations of the UN which take precedent as defined in Article III, Section 8. So if the United States of America says the land is not American, why are you stating otherwise? Did you bother to look it up before mocking someone else?
As for your ignorant "but it's within the borders of..." argument, Vatican City is located within contiguous Italy and even within its most populous city, yet it's not just extraterritorial but a sovereign country. Did you forget the Holy See existed or do you just deny the validity of the Lateran Treaty because it is surrounded by Rome?
Finally, if all that weren't true, the US has bombed its own territory and citizens before: Jayayu in 1950. Of course, if you are ignorant of the Holy See, why would you know that.
AFAIK, unlike Vatican City, UNHQ isn't drawn on any map of the world, and if you were to ask someone to name countries, UNHQ wouldn't be on anyone's list.
Moreover, US laws still apply, which makes the territory not independent. It is a special area of the US, but is still firmly US.
A similar situation is with, for example, US military bases. They're part of the county they're physically in, but the laws are effectively US. It's more of a "live and let live" situation - even in Cuba.
Its not a country. It's extraterritorial.
Bro, what the fuck are you babbling about? It’s in New York you weirdo
It's like saying an embassy is not US soil. Sure, politically, that might be true, but for all non-political purposes, it very much is within the US.
It’s not even true. Embassies are not extraterritorial and remain the territory of the host country.
This is not an embassy. There is a separate, standalone, treaty with the UN giving them that land.
Try arresting someone who has diplomatic immunity. Tell me how that goes for you. Now explain to me why that person was not arrested. After that replace the person with the embassy building and you will finally understand what people are talking about.
That is not the same thing as extraterritoriality. Besides, most people who work in embassies do not have diplomatic immunity.
I've never looked into it but thought embassies were "territory" lended to the embassies by the country they were placed in. If not it really shoots holes in the conservative talking point that people applying for political asylum should do so at an embassy, because you can only apply for asylum once on U.S. soil I thought
Yeah, I know, I just don’t have time for pedantic people trying to make bullshit comments when they know the absolute truth is that it’s on US fucking soil
US soil is a completely different thing than the geographic US
Don't acuse others of being pedantic when you're just wrong. If you don't understand the concepts, then don't comment until you educate yourself.
The US signed a treaty granting the extraterritorial status. It's not US territory unless the UN abandons it.
You need serious help if this is your reaction to losing an argument.
A well thought out rebuttal that no doubt stretched your intellectual gifts.
Completely incorrect.
My parents live in Ohio, I live in the moment.
@[email protected] @[email protected] if it's international soil, why (and how) could US deny Mahmoud Abbas from attending the UNGA, especially during an increasing recognizance of State of Palestine from other countries and the current UN proposals towards a two-state solution? I can also point out examples of this regarding an the country I reside: why (and how) could US make it difficult for part of the Brazilian delegation (such as Ricardo Lewandowski, current Brazilian Ministry of Justice, and Alexandre Padilha, current Brazilian Ministry of Health, the latter of whom ended up not attending in protest to all the restrictions imposed by US) to attend the UNGA?
Well, if you read the Headquarters of the United Nations Agreement (1947), you will find that the United States can deny visas for non-member states which includes the Palestinian Authority.
That doesn't mean the UN isn't extraterritorial.
Downvoted for actually knowing the truth. Am I back on Reddit?
“though the structure is physically situated in the United States, the land occupied by the United Nations headquarters and the spaces of buildings that it rents are under the sole administration of the United Nations. They are technically extraterritorial through a treaty agreement with the U.S. government.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations
It's not inconsequential if there's an attack though? It being on foreign soil means a high level judge appointed by Trump can literally just rule that no laws were broken on US soil.
It isn't. Someone stated something completely false, and you are behaving like a Reddit brigade to censor truth.
I actually found that an interesting fact. Also don't worry too much about downvotes, karma isn't really a thing here.
Yeah. I'm confused. I mean, it's legally international territory but functions as part of New York for obvious reasons. It's a little more nuanced, to say the least.
Okay and what would happen if that were bombed or gassed? It doesn't matter if the land is politically separated. Bombs will physically destroy it and the surrounding area. Therefore it is not the truth in this context because we are speaking of the location of the land itself.
It makes things worse actually. It being on foreign soil means a high level judge appointed by Trump can literally just rule that no laws were broken on US soil.
You left out the rest of that paragraph, though:
Ok, but that only says they agree to follow local laws. It's still not American soil as per the agreement.
Can you get to the United Nations without entering the U.S., no. Do you need a passport to enter or leave the U.N., no.
Do you need to remember you have a knife in your pocket, you probably should... I saw the metal detectors got worried at 19 or so and went back out front stashed my pocket knife in the trash can next to one of the umpteen NYPD officers that seem to be everywhere.
Took the tour and when I left I grabbed my knife out between the can and the case while a cop looked at me in a manner that made me wonder how that conversation was going to go.
"Sorry officer I just needed to stash this because I didn't know if they would hold it at security."
There's no dotted line around the UN on maps like Vatican City or Monaco. The UN is a diplomatic construct, and not its own country. It is fully on US soil, and nothing in the treaty says otherwise. (Yes, I checked, at least this copy I found as a pdf , which looks to be the original one. I don't know if there are any addendums though.
That agreement was put in place specifically to guarantee worldwide access to the UN facility for diplomats, regardless of the opinion of the host country. It explicitly says that local laws apply there, as long as they don't conflict with UN regulations. It calls on the local government to maintain access to the facility, but does not allow local government officials on site without permission. It exempts diplomats and other visitors from the local visa requirements, but also states that the site will not used as a refuge for anyone avoiding legal process in the US.
(The original agreement also has arrangements if the UN wants to build their own "aerodome"....)
We all wish you stayed there.
For anyone curious. This is terrorism. Specifically "Stochastic Terrorism"
Textbook example. Because there's a real solid chance some fucking lunatic decides to act on his careless words.
There's nothing careless about this. This is intentional.
Nailed it.
Broken escalator + teleprompter fail = insurrection.
Everything is an insurrection with these idiots.
That's the goal when they call everything else an insurrection. Water it down when they do it.
Any time they get accused of something, you can bet they’ll start calling others it shortly after.
Every time they accuse others of something unprompted, you can bet they have already done it .
I think my brain seized up when a fan of both fElon and Taco declared a vote against Taco was a vote for the oligarchy.
It's clear they heard Bernie out there campaigning against the oligarchy, had some vague notion that it was not a flattering word, and decided to apply it to Biden and Kamala.
I mean. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
The dumbest thing was Trump trying to call others out on Mortgage fraud.
Gotta set those deflectors to max.
Except actual insurrection. They want to water down the word in people's minds so the terrorist attack of Trump supporters trying to kill the people certifying the 2020 election and Donald's subsequent pardoning of all those terrorists and firing of anyone who dared participate in the investigation against them doesn't seem so bad.
Yup. But we still need to call them out as idiots even if we know what their true game is.
They just repeat words they've heard smarter people use. He has no clue what he just said.
I was thinking of Everything_I_Dont_Like_is_woke.jpg. Has same basic energy.
Starbucks barista got your order wrong? It's probably because they are woke and they are carrying out an INSURRECTION on you!!!
We've moved on. It's antifa now.
Cashier short changed me! Fucking insurrection that is!
Big I am just as dumb as someone from the fictional movie anchorman vibes
Both things Trump's team did themselves, by the way.
But Jimmy Kimmel's remarks were too inflammatory for him to stay on the air.
So much violent rhetoric from the right. And yet the right and their "centrist" boosters keep saying it's the left that is so hateful and violent.
It always depends. They are either scary terrorists or weak soyboys.
And yet despite making a specific direct call to violence yet another Fox host will not be held accountable.
Yeah, and my favorite part is that the UN said the White House was responsible for the prompter. So they likely just forgot a flash drive or something dumb
So not only does the host not know what an insurrection is, nor what the UN is apparently, they clearly don't care at all about anything but spreading hate
They're intentionally misusing 'insurrection' to try to make it seem like NOBODY knows what it is, so that January 6th seems like a hoax or Democratic hot air.
Indeed. These assholes have been doing that ever since J6, really. Everything and anything was an "insurrection". They'd go apeshit when the media would use that term, even though insurrection is rather neutral, when it's probably more accurately called terrorism.
One regular commenter on DP would often just post "INSPLURECTION!" as a response since they basically lost their minds that people even in the corporate media were pointing the finger at their movement. They were even touchy about calling them "rioters" - they wanted them to be called "peaceful protesters" who were just "airing their grievances", LOL. I have a feeling some of the people that were especially upset about it might have been there and weren't caught (yet).
I think he just wanted a reason to ramble for an hour so he made up the "teleprompter is broken" story replete with threats.
Does that mean they just need to laugh maniacally while bombing him? Or cry tears of joy? I wonder if the MAGA world will emotionally mourn the loss of this hateful little goblin as much as they did Charlie Kirk.
Again, why is it ok for rightwing people to openly call for violence using their public platforms?
Other groups can not and do not do this in US politics, why are rightwing people the only ones allowed to do this?
I don't think anybody should speak this callously and invoke specific targeted violence with such carelessness, just because Jesse Watters doesn't understand or care about the consequences of his words spoken on a large public platform doesn't mean he isn't increasing the likelihood of actual violent acts by saying what he does.
edit I mean really, it would be one thing to sit around a firepit with your drinking buddies and throw something this disgusting out of your mouth and laugh about it, which I still find disgusting and lame, but we are talking about saying these words as a prominent public figure which makes it that much more a damning commitment to bigotry.
Because they're fascists and fascists currently control our government.
The proper response is to arm yourself and help everyone you know arm themselves.
It's not that anyone is "allowed" we all are. We can say basically anything we want in this country. Conservatives are just a bunch of crybaby sheep bitches that can't handle reality.
some people can
FOX is definitely going to suspend him, right?
I await with bated breath the FCC statement saying this can be resolved the easy way or hard way.
Trump's FCC:
Even though it was a completely idiotic thing to say, especially given recent events, the FCC has far less control over cable/paid television compared to broadcast TV.
UN headquarters needs to be in Geneva or something, not in one of the 5 nuclear powers. Seriously wtf, this looked biased AF. Like how would the average American feel if UN was located in Moscow or Shanghai?
Somewhere in Switzerland would be a better place for the UN headquarters.
P.S.: That Watters guy is calling for terrorist attacks in New York, what a violent traitor.
So cool to have a New York Republican announce "America needs a second 9/11" like that
It's complicated. As modern as the building looks today, the UN's construction and planning began before the nuclear arms race.
The average American thinks those are in Wisconsin.
Well when the UN was founded it was right after a war on European soil. Guess other nations didn’t trust the Europeans after two world wars. Also at the time Europe was the US’s bitch so they didn’t have much influence.
And New York had probably the best infrastructure at the time to safely receive and transport diplomats to the HQ. Because the rest of the world was either still in rubble or didn’t have modern infrastructure.
Republicans: We're not Nazis, the Nazis were actually left-wing.
Also Republicans:
I get that at work a lot with men in their 20s.
I don't hesitate at all to correct their ignorance.
One guy argued that the whole political spectrum was left. I said: "Where does conservatism fit in"? He said that conservatives don't follow this spectrum and that is why they are not in it.
They are fed lies early, by god knows who, and they regurgitate them as talking points.
When challenged, their ideas usually change but some are not as intelligent and are harder to break through to.
Fuck fascism, it's destroying young minds.
Jesse Watters is a fascist and a terrorist, his fuhrer's own people fucked up the teleprompter and he's calling for mass murder of allies and civilians over it.
This is not the sweet onion of satire. This is the strong garlic of reality.
Hey... I happen to like garlic. This is more like the stinky smell of durian fruit
Same here. Garlic is awesome.
Oh I like garlic too! Just, it's stronger!
Fucker doesn't know what insurrection means.
Right? January 6th was not an insurrection but a teleprompter issue is? Dude’s a joke and anyone who sucked that shit up nasty style is dumber than a sack of dirt.
The UN doesn't control the teleprompter. Trump's team controlled the teleprompter. If someone else had access to it, they could fuck with the speeches and change words and shit. Under normal circumstances, the speech given by the president to the UN would need to be very carefully worded to avoid international incidents. Trump is a walking international catastrophe, so that's a silly accusation regardless.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
"Fuck you San Diego"
Ok, what corporations do we need to boycott to get this guy fired?
Edit: Here's a few as of April Advertisers embrace conservative media in the new Trump era
Fox News has attracted 125 new blue-chip advertisers since the US election, as Rupert Murdoch’s cable television channel commands soaring audiences during Donald Trump’s second presidency.
Oh cool, even more reason to hate JP Morgan. Pedophile protectors always seem to flock together.
Russia
This guy gets it
I'm pretty sure Faux was running in the red for years. The people backing Confederate Pravda view having Faux as an investment that will pay them dividends even if Faux itself were to be in the red. So I don't think they are really prone to boycotts. I think it's much the same for hate radio.
It's too bad that deep-pocketed billionaires don't do similar things to prop up something similar for progressives. I've been told my entire life by conservatives, moderates, and most especially the corporate news outlets themselves, that we are inundated by "liberal media", but I still have yet to see evidence of such.
Idk I think it's become pretty clear when something hurts their pockets it's the only way to force changes.
If they had to give an individual the axe in order to avoid a profit loss, I'm pretty sure they would do it in a heartbeat. Loyalty isn't really a priority for them, and it's not like Jesse Watters is America's sweetheart. He is easily replaceable.
I would say News Corp but no one who isn't Maga interacts with anything they own anyway so...
And just like the dude that said we should kill the homeless. Nothing will happen.
They might build statues to him and put them in the schools. its not safety from school shootings, but we cant say they did 'nothing'.
I can't decide whether Fox and Friends or The Five is the worst segment on Fox. Seems like they're in competition for the title. The both of them are technically comedy or even satire segments, but of course they use that as a shield from criticism. "No reasonable person would take this seriously", just like they argue in court when they get sued for the raw sewage they spew into public discourse.
But "Kill all of the homeless" and "destroy the UN and everyone who's part of it" are only jokes if you find those actions amusing.
None of it is satire, except in the way "You should be shot for watching Fox News" is satire.
If he was a Trans or hated Nazis this would be TERRORISM! FORTUNATELY he isn't So it's just a LoL!
Motherfucker thinks demolishing the building will destroy the UN.
Is Fox News rebranding to The Murder Channel? Killing the homeless, gassing the UN. Why are republicans allowed to roam free, they are a danger to Humanity.
The right: "Everything not actually an insurrection that I don't like is AN INSURRECTION. The actual J6 insurrection? NOT an insurrection, Taco was being just when he set those political prisoners free!"
The right are murderous stochastic terrorists and we are the infidels.
So the fcc is going to jump in and demand hes taken off the air right??
And it turned out both of these failures were caused by Trump's team.
So Trump hires incompetent people (because they are yes men), they fuck up and make him look bad, and the intermediate solution is to kill the people who happened to be near by at the time before there's any actual information available.
Got it.
Still has a job for some reason.
And he'll keep on talking like that until he feels consequences for his actions.
Wtf is wrong with these people? And WTF is wrong with those who find them worth watching?
They're nihilists, Donnie. They don't believe in anything
And the "left" is wringing its hands impotently, worried about appearing threatening.
Ah, but we incite violence.
It's incredible how good they are at tripping over their own dicks considering how little they have to work with.
Wow. These "radical left lunatics" have even infiltrated FOX News,? I never would have guessed Jesse Waters was actually a member of antifa.
I dont know who that is, but hes going to jail. Or at least, he fucking should be.
Inb4 some incel takes the cue.
i took a section of what was said and gave it a quick edit to demonstrate how this is a great example of stochastic terrorism. the clear sections are focused on while the highlighted portions are prioritized. the rest can be disregarded as either media theater, filler, or a strategy for plausible deniability. the people influenced by this will hear or read it all but their minds won't treat everything as equal, and these fascists know that and are counting on it.
so where is Brendan Carr and his threats?
So. Is it ok to ask the universe to cancel this dudes television career? Nothing mean. Just fire his ass and put him on unemployment.
Let him apply for his own unemployment. Pull himself up by his bootstraps (of other people's money). Maybe he should even pull the old "as a black man ..." while he's at it and see how it goes there.
I think someone should just take a whip cream pie and throw it in Jesse’s face in public. Remember when people used to pie people? Let’s bring that back.
Better times.
Play clown games, win clown prizes.
I'm still on board with this idea if you took out the word "whip" though.
Nice little catch there with the "emotionally" add on there. But it's the left that's violent, right guys? Totally not stochastic terrorism.
Likelihood is very low, but if I'm ever taking an escalator and I see Trump on it behind me - you better bet I'm dropping my phone and awkwardly hitting the 'emergency stop' button at the top.
I'm just clumsy like that 🤷🏻
Wonder if someone else was clumsy in this case?
Edit: I just read that it was someone in Trump's own escort/group that pressed the 'emergency stop' ahead of him. Fucking what? This whole inconvenience/attack is manufactured.
Hear me out. "The boys" isn't a parody on the US. It's the other way around.
Ok, but please don't let AOC be based on congresswoman Neuman, fooling everyone. That thought is way too bleak.
This reads like the translated Russian propaganda that i used to laugh at.
Now I still laugh but with more gusto because itd not just "brain washed" Russian who fall for it.
Now it's Americans too
American doing Americanism Americanly
This sounds Russian
Russians to the left, Russians to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with more Russians. Russia Russia Russia!!
Pretty sure the US is the only country in America that's gonna consider that one
Watters is a piece of shit and he doesn't deserve his wealth and peace.
Twatters is a terrorist.
Huh, I have the same feelings about the Fox News building. But I don't think they'll like THAT, even though it's the same thing just a different target. Cuz hate goes both ways, and I could bomb the stupid Fox Building with a home made contraption, but suddenly I'll labeled as the 'terrorist' and everyone on Fox as the 'chad martyr'
Disgusting what these assholes consider funny.
I hate that gay man. What an awful man. Everything he says is poison gas. Stupid Jesse waters
Narnia is close for Jessie Waters. He loves to play pretend masculinity but we all know the truth. Maybe if he left the Narnia closet he would be a happier person filled with less hate.
Oh wow that transcript reads like his cohosts may push for him to get fired
This guy needs to be charged and imprisoned.
You have to wonder if any of these tools know or care where the UN is? I figure they don't know and they don't care. But mainly I figure they are just willfully ignorant.
The most pathetic kind of ignorance.
Tough guy lol
Jesse Waters has the most punchable face on television.
What fucking hypocrites.
Jesse is a coward who is too afraid to do his own dirty work.
I hace to believe they are joking. No one who eriously says that it must be bombed would then be careful in their actual call to violence (he said "we need to emotionally harm the person responsible". The fact that they said "emotionally" to me suggest that they were avoiding getting into trouble. So the rest was not said seriously)
Stop sharing stupid shit, we know they're dumb. Mute it.
the fascists think this is their version of The Daily Show because they are violent and boring
also mediamatters is a work, don't read or post them
Huh?
*the pricks who downvoted this good faith conversation can gargle my floppy balls
sorry op i'm being opaque with wrestling jargon
mediamatters is an news entertainment site where they skew and gossip about reporting from other agencies, it's a "work of in-character fiction"
Media Matters is a news watchdog.
they take secondary sources and then editorialize on them as their business model for entertainment purposes
idk if we actually disagree here lmk
Look at the article. It's literally just a clip with a transcript of Jessie Watters wanting to bomb or gas the UN.
on their "comedy" show bro which "doesn't count"
Then ignore my MMfA posts for now on because I'm still going to post them when I feel the need to.