God made sure only Charlie Kirk was killed. It's as if God smote Charlie in the middle of a crowd, in the middle of saying hate, and spared the onlookers.
Yeah, I don't think that's a good thing for fans of Charlie.
I saw some Republicans in Congress were calling him the 13th disciple of Jesus. There's definitely an attempt to infuse religion into the mythology being constructed around him.
I can't imagine most protestant denominations have the organizational and bureaucratic capacity for catholic sanctification. It looks like Anglicans kept the pre split saints and then created a new category of heroes and they seem to do their own thing for it. That's the most similar protestant denomination to catholicism.
It's really hard to imagine a scenario where the baptists are organizing enough to do a trial where evidence for and against sainthood are presented. Also the concept of saints is entirely Tradition so it violates sola scriptura
The doctor added that Kirk’s "bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."
Do people really believe these fairy tales? It's the same absurd rhetoric they use regarding Trump. Reminds me of the rhetoric North Korea uses about Kim Jong Un
The shooter who went to a Charlie Kirk event, took one clean shot at Charlie Kirk, saw Charlie Kirk go sideways and left the scene? I wonder what their motive could have been, maybe they would have shot someone else if Charlie Kirk hadn't been there to bravely catch that bullet.
I'm sure the artist had quite the distinctively well-timed, precise, strikingly vibrant motif throughout their oeuvre.
It drew dramatic reactions from all critics.
I've been calling MAGA a mental illness for a decade. Everything they have done, and continue to do, indicates severe logical corruption in every sense of the word, and it's transmissible through propaganda.
That's why the USA is cooked, for generations, and is damn near guaranteed to experience civil war &/or Christian fascist dictatorship before anything gets better. There's no coming back from a mental illness epidemic affecting a double digit percentage of the population.
Not uneducated people with critical thinking skills.
Just actually, really, super fucking dumb. There is no nuance to them. Everything is black and white and only happens one way. Life is straight forward, and its hell the whole time. That's it. That's the end.
Oh uh. My comment has a "these" (pronoun) without a specific thing its tied to. I did mean trump voters in general but moreso the people who are outwardly part of it. Fox news. The cabinet. Etc.
Ah yeah, I definitely narrowed your comment to just apply to the voting base, even though the crazy ass headline in question is being perpetuated by the grifters.
Thats mah B!
I do agree though, those who are feeding the voters are insane/unreasonable and evil. And I think they know that their base is dumb enough to accept their grifting "words of wisdom."
It doesn't have any of the shape a casing has. There'd be a flared base, for example. This doesn't have that. It is a painting though, not a picture, and the colors aren't accurate. The shape is consistent with no casing though, so I'm betting that the color is just not quite perfect.
Edit: This is what a bullet+casing looks like. The shape is totally different.
He was also 1,000% not shot from the front. It's fucking insane that they're claiming this in light of so many videos. The exit wound was downward from the left side of his neck, along with all his blood. Did it take a 90+ degree turn? Why didn't we see it go in from the front? Feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Do you have any relevant experience? Maybe your guesses about how things should work are simply wrong, and that's causing your problems.
Watch what happens when a bullet is fired through ballistic gel. It's not some simple thing where a hard thing goes in one side and stuff comes out the other side.
Why didn't we see it go in from the front? A rifle bullet travels at hundreds of metres per second. It's not easy to see it while it is in motion unless you're using a slow motion camera.
The wound you saw was the entry wound. Blood gushing from the entry wound is very common. According to a relative who is a forensic pathologist.
There isn't any forensic doubt on how he was shot. The shooter was in front of him. How we are expecting gun shots and blood splatter patterns to behave is rather misinformed by movies and games.
There was immediate blood splatter on the shirt by the wound in his neck when you watch it frame by frame. It does not appear this is an entry wound like you are claiming.
This was also not the caliber they claimed. He was shot from the right side with a smaller caliber bullet.
I watched it from several angles already. You obviously have not so I am not sure why you feel the need to chime in. You are probably just trying to push a narrative (aka propaganda).
It's like super man because like a comic book, this narrative is likely fiction.
It's worth looking into at least at a superficial level what 30.06 cartridge does to humanoid test dummies. It's practically impossible that Kirk was hit by a 30.06 round without complete painting that entire tent red.
.30-06 round weighing 180 grains leaves a 24" barrel at about 2,700 feet per second, which gives it a kinetic energy of around 2,900 ft-lbf. With this much energy, that round, if full metal jacketed, will reliably penatrate 20+ inches of ballistic gelatin, a common substitute for animal muscle tissue, and if that round is a hollow point it will reliably penatrate 16+ inches of ballistic gelatin. My neck is about 7 inches thick as an average size person. Unless a person has a cervical spine made of titanium and Kevlar, and/or are just about 4 times as dense as your average Joe, an impact by a typical hollow point .30-06 round with that speed and energy in the human neck region would most often decapitate, or nearly so, and a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through. In contrast, the handguns carried by many police officers, the Glock .40 S&W, firing a 180 grain round out of a 4" barrel scoots along at about 1,000 feet per second, having a muzzle energy of about 400 ft-lbf, this being the defacto gold standard for killing human beings. .30-06 is quite literally a round made for war, and is typically used to hunt large game, as it has a tendency to completely and thoroughly rapidly disassemble smaller game into unusable sized chunks.
Nothing is impossible, but not all things are likely.
a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through
"Clean through" is not as clean as it might sound. It would probably pass through and out the back without leaving a gaping hole, but the damage it would do to tissues as it went through would be devastating. Take a look at a FMJ handgun bullet going through ballistics gel:
If that hit someone's neck, it might do huge amounts of damage to all the tissues there, and even though they'd snap back to roughly the same place, there would be a lot of damage. If that went through some arteries, there would be a lot of new routes for that blood to flow, and the blood is under a lot of pressure so...
No doubt about that. A hollow or soft point deposits more energy and creates a much larger temporary cavity, but a FMJ can certainly do plenty of damage. The FMJ would be much more likely to be intact, and not fragment, so "clean" is certainly a relative term in this context. Any gunshot wound is gonna be a mess, regardless of caliber or bullet type, some moreso than others.
Calling a person that literally got a hole shot through them a "man of steel" has to be the most perfect microcosm of Fox's entire reporting style, lmao.
"Compelling evidence of XYZ actually PROOF of Not-XYZ upon closer inspection"
Yeah to me it looked like he had a fencing response, which can accompany head/spine injuries. Wouldn't be surprised if the bullet hit his upper spine or ricocheted into the base of his skull or something.
That would make some sense, but I'm doubtful about the bullet caliber. I've seen what 30-06 does to large game, and it very rarely stops even when hitting bone. Especially if he was shot with a hunting round (which are designed to flare out and dump energy) we would have seen a truly massive exit wound.
I noticed his head went in the same direction the bullet entered, you would think his head would go away from where the bullet entered so maybe it did hit the spine and cause the head to push forward.
This is an extremely famous phenomenon in ballistics, popularized by the JFK assasination. Penn and Teller even did a breakdown of why this happens at one point. It's pretty interesting to look into!
Yeah you know.. If you're bragging about your gods miracles, maybe you should make sure that the miracle performed at least better than a bullet proof vest?
Like, literally, humans have a better track record at stopping bullets BEFORE THEY GO INSIDE YOUR BODY than your god who could only be arsed to stop said bullet on its way out...
In all seriousness though, this is perfectly normal. Depending on bullet weight, speed, distance it traveled, materials it has hit on its way in, materials it has hit inside, it might leave the body, stay inside, maybe hit a bone and change trajectory completely, etc.
God made sure only Charlie Kirk was killed. It's as if God smote Charlie in the middle of a crowd, in the middle of saying hate, and spared the onlookers.
Yeah, I don't think that's a good thing for fans of Charlie.
Except any time you point out inconsistencies in their beliefs they'll just wave it off with "goD wOrkS In mYsTerIoUs wAyS"
They have belief without evidence. And a Sky Daddy. They don't need logic or reason
Fucking Biden! /s
It was gods will. Clearly.
gOd HaS a pLaN!
He was dense
Is this why his face was so small? The density?
It was a visual indicator of the thickness of his skull.
That certainly explains a lot
He was full of shit. Very dense and highly concentrated shit.
they are going to try and make him a fuckin Saint? I wonder which white nationalist religious wacko will try to have him canonized ....
I saw some Republicans in Congress were calling him the 13th disciple of Jesus. There's definitely an attempt to infuse religion into the mythology being constructed around him.
If I was a Christian I'd be pissed at that
I believe this is called "heresy" if evangelicals and NARs and the rest actually cared about that.
The holy book about his last moments will be based on Ayn Rand
"The fountainkirk"
Was he Catholic? Or do protestants even have saints?
no and yes. I think the Christians that do it use the same rules for recognition but don't require the Pope's declaration
I can't imagine most protestant denominations have the organizational and bureaucratic capacity for catholic sanctification. It looks like Anglicans kept the pre split saints and then created a new category of heroes and they seem to do their own thing for it. That's the most similar protestant denomination to catholicism.
It's really hard to imagine a scenario where the baptists are organizing enough to do a trial where evidence for and against sainthood are presented. Also the concept of saints is entirely Tradition so it violates sola scriptura
He was an evangelical christian, and was very much against the previous pope. He called him a marxist, a heretic, etc.
He saw the people before him were thirsty and so He performed the miracle of becoming a fountain. Truly inspiring.
The miracles must be performed AFTER death. He didn't die instantly.
Do people really believe these fairy tales? It's the same absurd rhetoric they use regarding Trump. Reminds me of the rhetoric North Korea uses about Kim Jong Un
Shame his skin wasn't so he'd miraculusly get Bismarck'd by his
war medalsskinThere was no one behind him and the shooter took one shot, how would someone else have been killed?
Bro have you not seen how the shot moved around the car in the JFK assassination? Quantum bullets are out of control.
If you flick the gun at the last second you can make it do orbits.
I've seen Wanted, there are lots of possibilities based on that documentary.
If he wasn't there, someone farther away might have been killed
If he wasn't there, no one would be shooting.
Do we know enough about the shooter's motif to be sure about that?
The shooter who went to a Charlie Kirk event, took one clean shot at Charlie Kirk, saw Charlie Kirk go sideways and left the scene? I wonder what their motive could have been, maybe they would have shot someone else if Charlie Kirk hadn't been there to bravely catch that bullet.
True, we can wonder about it but we will never know for certain
It's truly a mystery /s
I'm sure the artist had quite the distinctively well-timed, precise, strikingly vibrant motif throughout their oeuvre. It drew dramatic reactions from all critics.
Lol look at this loser who can't even curve his own shots.
Charlie Kirk was filled with a huge amount of methane under pressure. You could hear it when he opened his mouth.
Luckily everyone in the crowd could smell it once he popped a leak and high tailed it out of there.
The crowd dodged a bullet...
Holy shit these people are insane
Like actually insane and unreasonable
I've been calling MAGA a mental illness for a decade. Everything they have done, and continue to do, indicates severe logical corruption in every sense of the word, and it's transmissible through propaganda.
That's why the USA is cooked, for generations, and is damn near guaranteed to experience civil war &/or Christian fascist dictatorship before anything gets better. There's no coming back from a mental illness epidemic affecting a double digit percentage of the population.
Covid seemed like it was going to be a quick filter, but I always forget how idiot sandwiches like to impress their idiocy forcefully upon others
I think they're just fucking stupid.
Not uneducated people with critical thinking skills.
Just actually, really, super fucking dumb. There is no nuance to them. Everything is black and white and only happens one way. Life is straight forward, and its hell the whole time. That's it. That's the end.
Oh uh. My comment has a "these" (pronoun) without a specific thing its tied to. I did mean trump voters in general but moreso the people who are outwardly part of it. Fox news. The cabinet. Etc.
Ah yeah, I definitely narrowed your comment to just apply to the voting base, even though the crazy ass headline in question is being perpetuated by the grifters.
Thats mah B!
I do agree though, those who are feeding the voters are insane/unreasonable and evil. And I think they know that their base is dumb enough to accept their grifting "words of wisdom."
The media and reporters? I know. Since forever they have been this way. Lunatics all of them
as someone on twitter said: "atheist teenagers wish they could be half as blasphemous as american believers"
A guy who knows him said a doctor said he had a bulletproof neck? And this is national-level news to publish?
anything goes when you are in a cult
Maybe more fascists can perform the same miracle. We should absolutely try all of them.
What does this say about the Trump assassination attempt where that firefighter was killed?
Bullet fired WITH the shell casing. Impressive.
It's 65% more bullet!
That doesn't have the casing. Rifle bullets are usually pretty long.
It doesn't have any of the shape a casing has. There'd be a flared base, for example. This doesn't have that. It is a painting though, not a picture, and the colors aren't accurate. The shape is consistent with no casing though, so I'm betting that the color is just not quite perfect.
Edit: This is what a bullet+casing looks like. The shape is totally different.
Note the bullet to casing proportions are the same as the image, including the inset of the casing that narrows to the actual bullet.
OK, I don't understand what's going on here. It plainly is not. Seriously. Compare them side-by-side.
You've managed to get people debating the artistic meaning behind AI art. Congrats.
Well, it’s well established that Trump is thin-skinned.
God decided Trump can’t be a saint
Wow that's actually a real tweet. That is fuckin crazy.
uhh...I have the video. That thing absolutely came out the other side...explosively.
He was also 1,000% not shot from the front. It's fucking insane that they're claiming this in light of so many videos. The exit wound was downward from the left side of his neck, along with all his blood. Did it take a 90+ degree turn? Why didn't we see it go in from the front? Feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Do you have any relevant experience? Maybe your guesses about how things should work are simply wrong, and that's causing your problems.
Watch what happens when a bullet is fired through ballistic gel. It's not some simple thing where a hard thing goes in one side and stuff comes out the other side.
Why didn't we see it go in from the front? A rifle bullet travels at hundreds of metres per second. It's not easy to see it while it is in motion unless you're using a slow motion camera.
The wound you saw was the entry wound. Blood gushing from the entry wound is very common. According to a relative who is a forensic pathologist.
There isn't any forensic doubt on how he was shot. The shooter was in front of him. How we are expecting gun shots and blood splatter patterns to behave is rather misinformed by movies and games.
There was immediate blood splatter on the shirt by the wound in his neck when you watch it frame by frame. It does not appear this is an entry wound like you are claiming.
This was also not the caliber they claimed. He was shot from the right side with a smaller caliber bullet.
It does appear thusly according to a pathologist, but you do you.
I watched it from several angles already. You obviously have not so I am not sure why you feel the need to chime in. You are probably just trying to push a narrative (aka propaganda).
I'm glad such a skilled and trained researcher like yourself is on the case.
Lol wow you are a asshole. Blocked!
Maybe if his supporter sucked each others dicks this hard while he was alive, maybe they wouldn't have been so miserable now he is gone.
Obviously the guy was so full of hardened shit that the bullet just couldn't find its way out.
That poor bullet, suffering like that
They are just salty about the Saint Luigi memes
It's like super man because like a comic book, this narrative is likely fiction.
It's worth looking into at least at a superficial level what 30.06 cartridge does to humanoid test dummies. It's practically impossible that Kirk was hit by a 30.06 round without complete painting that entire tent red.
.30-06 round weighing 180 grains leaves a 24" barrel at about 2,700 feet per second, which gives it a kinetic energy of around 2,900 ft-lbf. With this much energy, that round, if full metal jacketed, will reliably penatrate 20+ inches of ballistic gelatin, a common substitute for animal muscle tissue, and if that round is a hollow point it will reliably penatrate 16+ inches of ballistic gelatin. My neck is about 7 inches thick as an average size person. Unless a person has a cervical spine made of titanium and Kevlar, and/or are just about 4 times as dense as your average Joe, an impact by a typical hollow point .30-06 round with that speed and energy in the human neck region would most often decapitate, or nearly so, and a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through. In contrast, the handguns carried by many police officers, the Glock .40 S&W, firing a 180 grain round out of a 4" barrel scoots along at about 1,000 feet per second, having a muzzle energy of about 400 ft-lbf, this being the defacto gold standard for killing human beings. .30-06 is quite literally a round made for war, and is typically used to hunt large game, as it has a tendency to completely and thoroughly rapidly disassemble smaller game into unusable sized chunks.
Nothing is impossible, but not all things are likely.
"Clean through" is not as clean as it might sound. It would probably pass through and out the back without leaving a gaping hole, but the damage it would do to tissues as it went through would be devastating. Take a look at a FMJ handgun bullet going through ballistics gel:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hlXg_H5Jr4g
If that hit someone's neck, it might do huge amounts of damage to all the tissues there, and even though they'd snap back to roughly the same place, there would be a lot of damage. If that went through some arteries, there would be a lot of new routes for that blood to flow, and the blood is under a lot of pressure so...
No doubt about that. A hollow or soft point deposits more energy and creates a much larger temporary cavity, but a FMJ can certainly do plenty of damage. The FMJ would be much more likely to be intact, and not fragment, so "clean" is certainly a relative term in this context. Any gunshot wound is gonna be a mess, regardless of caliber or bullet type, some moreso than others.
Yeah, we all seen it pass easily through his saint neck.
I encourage every Republican to get a .22 and try this on their head. I have faith in their ability to stop the bullet from exiting their skull.
Just build up a resistance with 9mm first.
The body has ways of shutting this down.
Calling a person that literally got a hole shot through them a "man of steel" has to be the most perfect microcosm of Fox's entire reporting style, lmao.
"Compelling evidence of XYZ actually PROOF of Not-XYZ upon closer inspection"
Well, he literally died for their sins after all
of course his neck was super thick, how else could it support that massive dome?
I bet the bullet hit his spine. Hence the immediately floppy dead. As opposed to being due to the blood loss.
Yeah to me it looked like he had a fencing response, which can accompany head/spine injuries. Wouldn't be surprised if the bullet hit his upper spine or ricocheted into the base of his skull or something.
The hydrostatic shock likely would have pulverized his brain stem on a hit like that. It wouldn't have to direct hit the spine.
More likely is hydrostatic shock knocked him out imo.
That would make some sense, but I'm doubtful about the bullet caliber. I've seen what 30-06 does to large game, and it very rarely stops even when hitting bone. Especially if he was shot with a hunting round (which are designed to flare out and dump energy) we would have seen a truly massive exit wound.
Sounds like God really wanted him dead.
That caliber bullet does not care about his spine. Honestly his head should have exploded.
I noticed his head went in the same direction the bullet entered, you would think his head would go away from where the bullet entered so maybe it did hit the spine and cause the head to push forward.
This is an extremely famous phenomenon in ballistics, popularized by the JFK assasination. Penn and Teller even did a breakdown of why this happens at one point. It's pretty interesting to look into!
There wasn't even anyone standing behind him he was on a stage, standing between two other people but there was no one behind him.
Well, I guess it's a good thing the bullet hit him first, then?
Seriously. What is the appropriate take-away here?
If only they could tell us which other conservative chuds are bullet sponges so we can put them in schools to stop shootings there.
I think it's much more likely that the governmnet lied about the caliber of the bullet than this guy's neck stopped a 30-06.
They lied, unless the bullet decided to magically turn left and become a smaller caliber then the official line is bogus.
It is probably one of those multiple shooters situations with a patsy that may even believe they did it.
...contrary to JFK who couldn't stop the bullet from hitting that guy in the front seat. Take that, democrats!
Was concrete really poured over the site of his shooting?
The bullshit around this is so thick it's hard to know what's what
Evangelicals are gonna declare him the only saint lol
Did Charles Kirk incite stochastic trerrorism?
Too bad he wasn't the "man of streel" on the other side, I guess?
Thank you Charlie Kirk, for your sacrifice, and saving the people behind him. What a guy.
If many more conservatives also want to do the same and be like Charlie, that would win me over.
There wasn't even anyone behind him was there?
Well at least his corpse was good for something
It gave us some dank ass memes
Wasn't he shot the neck instead of the ass?
Well we all saw a man turned into a fountain.
If that's not a miracle, I don't know what is.
LEAD BULLETS CAN'T MELT STEEL PEOPLE
Yeah you know.. If you're bragging about your gods miracles, maybe you should make sure that the miracle performed at least better than a bullet proof vest?
Like, literally, humans have a better track record at stopping bullets BEFORE THEY GO INSIDE YOUR BODY than your god who could only be arsed to stop said bullet on its way out...
In all seriousness though, this is perfectly normal. Depending on bullet weight, speed, distance it traveled, materials it has hit on its way in, materials it has hit inside, it might leave the body, stay inside, maybe hit a bone and change trajectory completely, etc.
Nothing miraculous to see here
I saw this moronic take on the Facebook of the most maga person I know. It was very hard to ignore as were all her stupid takes in the last week.
They misspelled holey
So was that all fluid rust that came squirting out of him, then?