What is Charlie Kirk's legacy
Charlie Kirk's murder is a shock to me and prior to that I really have not thought about him for months (he apparently shared a stage with Hassan piker), of course the south Park parody.
I have ran into a few of Kirk's supporters and apparently his legacy is his family and his apparently endless college debates that get rephrased as "debated an entire generation" and governors.
To me, it seems like Kirk was just a content creator.
Hate, division, degradation of the debate process, normalizing disinformation, encouraging fascism...
A bigot and fascist
Kirk was a state terrorist who called for people to get shot because it protects gun nutjobs.
He also said empathy is for the weak. I'm returning the favour by not having empathy for him but having it for others.
Literally just a fucking nazi. Good riddance.
Careful now (/s), people are losing their jobs over milder comments.
https://apnews.com/article/dowd-msnbc-kirk-comments-e08f349022c9d69171cd575664141075
Seems that even goebbelses of 20 years past are getting kicked by today goebbelses for pretty mild comments
Telling women they are only here to be submissive breeding sows
Can I get a source? I'd love to have this one to share. My family simps so damn hard for him and I can't stand it.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/turning-point-usa-conference-young-women-leaders-suggests-their-role-get-married-and
He pushes that retoric on his video commentary about Taylor Swift engagement, that she should have plenty of children since she can afford it, and submit to her husband. Should be easy to find and it’s recent.
Racism, bigotry, hatred, greed, grift, sexism, fascism, and more of the same.
"I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational." - Charlie Kirk
This. Right here. This quote. I suggest his family make his tombstone out of stainless steel so they can easily pressure wash away the marker pens of people scrawling these words across it.
Thoughts and prayers.
Kirk was a fascist activist, propagandist, and organizer. He was as much "just a content creator" as Goebbels.
I think, in the long run, Kirk's legacy will be his assassination and it's contribution to the season of assassination now unfolding. (The two failed Trump assassinations, the UnitedHealth assassination, and now Kirk).
Beyond that, he was an agitator and a grifter. I have the same empathy towards him and the people around him as he had towards school shooting survivors, Palestinians, and etc. It's what he would have wanted.
Don't forget the Minnesota assationations
Sophist -> nazi propagandist.
His legacy is organizing to bring white supremacist anti-lgbtqia+ rhetoric more mainstream via the Republican party. He organized to oppress people.
Smarmy grifter who caused irreparable and immeasurable harm
The same as Rush Limbaugh. Nobody cares.
Oh man, Rush. I vaguely remember his downfall from painkiller addiction, and he was some sort of radio pundit.
Baby Goebbels.
I feel like comparing a person who was just right wing to someone so disgusting and reprehensible is disingenuous and waters down have vile the Nazi regime was
I'm comfortable with the comparison. If you insist on mythologizing the Nazis as a singular historical phenomenon, you will never recognize them anywhere else. Kirk professed Christianity, while mocking and condemning empathy as "new-age" and damaging. He called for the marginalization, incarceration and even murder of trans people. He was a cheerleader for the large scale paramilitary occupations of major cities. There are many examples of Kirk not simply "having conservative opinions", but being paid handsomely by billionaires to amplify and normalize these messages of hate. That you think of him as someone "who was just right wing" illustrates the success he had in bringing his evil views into mainstream discourse.
Thanks for this. I have no idea how awful he is and I have no intention search myself. They should cheer for the 22 yr old like Luigi M.
Looks like the shooter was also a fascist (groyper Nazi), so I'm not really cheering for him, but I am glad Charlie's dead.
Most Nazis were "regular people" until the opportunity came for them to commit atrocities.
I did not say Charlie Kirk was just a 'regular person"
I know. You're excusing him but I'm telling you that even people you would consider to be better than Kirk ended up as Nazis when the opportunity arose.
Ok I appreciate the idea some political act alot more moderate then there actually beliefs like, that does happen alot when politicians stray the centrist line
I just don't think its fair to compare charlie to Himmler over the idea that Charlie could of became extremely far right wing if he gained more power
Most Nazis were
"regular people""just right wing" until the opportunity came for them to commit atrocities.The nazi party was far right authortarians, not just simply right wing, to say they were just right wing is disingenuous
Are you saying the Republican party and their mouthpieces are not far right authoritarians?
No the republican party spans multiple degrees of the right and majority of them are just right wing authoritarians, not far right, you can get much more right wing then the republican party
Get comfortable with it. Coming to a state near you soon.
I'm not american and my country doesn't deal with much gun violence, the last time a political figure was attacked in my country was sir David amess and that man was stabbed to death by a Muslim extremist
That's fine, doesn't change the fact that America is quickly becoming as disgusting and hateful as the Nazi party of Germany. We just won't hear about the atrocities until they are laid bare at the end, like the Nazi Party of Germany.
I honestly agree that America is in an awful place and there is potential it could get worse but it is hard to know for sure what potential awful political ideology could take over and I feel your being a bit alarmist, I think there is still a good bit of hope for America to get through it's issues
Don't think it's alarmist when people already are getting sent to concentration camps in El Salvador, or have no fair trial due to being at Guantanamo Bay.
Tiny face guy
My eternal sense of wonder. Thinking if any given picture of his has or has not been altered to make his face smaller. And the amusing conclusion that I cannot really tell.
Someone who got a lot of money via preaching hate
His legacy is rabid 2a support at any cost, calling empathy a fake word, extreme transphobia and racism, sympathising with Nazis and school shooters, and getting Fatalitied like a Mortal Kombat character
I’m not American, and the only exposure to him that I had the misfortune of coming across was him saying that he’s anti-abortion, even for child victims of sexual abuse. It’s horrible enough to force a grown woman to carry a pregnancy against her will, but a little girl that’s been raped?? That’s indescribably heinous.
The funny thing is, if her family is wealthy, they’ll just take care of it. It’s poor and brown/Black girls they want to keep barefoot and pregnant. It’s not about oppressing girls — that’s just a side effect they’re glad for. It’s about maintaining the class divide.
being a gender neutral toilet
who?
Someone who had a big head and tiny face
One of the people pushing the idea that gun violence is okay, actually. So by his own logic no one should feel bad for him.
Yet there is so many posts and comments about how awful it is, someone blocked me last night for calling them out on their bollocks.
A very strong reminder to all mid level right wing mouth pieces that they are all expendable. That they can be sent to the public to sow devision but not have the protection from the dangers they create .... or at the most extreme be martyred by their own followers and leaders to push their agenda.
I'll never trust America to tell me the truth about any major public event like this .... this is the same country that murdered their own president for their dumb right wing agenda and got away with it.
He won’t be in a history book; in five years nobody will talk about him.
He lives on in my block list
He was highly successful at making his dream a reality.
Lol that's hilarious
I think the reason why this may be something you're wondering about is because we have given podcasters a larger influence in recent years. Not to say that's bad, but it's new.
Personally, I don't consider podcasters or YouTubers, etc., trustworthy sources of information or honest dialog. I'm not sure that's something that even exists anyway now.
There's a much larger conversation to be had about where we spend our time and give our attention and why. The real news is boring so we turn to salacious clickbait that we often know has a bias to it. The more time we hand our emotions over to this content, then more it becomes part of our psyche. Sometimes we don't have a choice but I still know a ton of people who are entirely clueless about politics. So, some people are making choices, for better or worse.
I see Kirk's legacy the same as Rogan's and Trump's. These people are a reflection of our times. Something is very wrong in our world today and we've spent the last twenty five years shifting, metaphorically, from CBS Evening News to The National Enquirer.
This is the result of great freedom: a wild storm of ideas with equal opportunity to be expressed and heard. Not something that existed before the internet or having instant world wide communications in your hand or selling your information in order to maintain your attention with biased (mis/dis)information.
If you take podcasts as the zines of yore, their place in culture makes a decent bit of sense.
If zines were delivered directly to all of humanity instantaneously and were an actual money maker financed by mega corporations, sure.
I've been getting my news from secular talk and Hassan piker. One is YouTube news the other is twitch streamer. Kyle did get me conspiracies about 3 man job of Kirk's shooting
His legacy will be Irony. He died of the gun violence that he blithely normalized, and since he openly disparaged and dismissed the concept of empathy, he received none.
Who the fuck cares?
His only legacy is a stupid meme format where someone will point out that the guy in the meme was a fascist jackass Everytime it gets posted.
Change my mind.
The hilarious bit about this is that's not even his meme format lmao. That's another dude. He's just gonna be another unknown after this all dies down.
MAGAs keep bring up his family, as if the people who they are deporting to life sentences in 3rd world torture prisons don't have families.
His wife is a young, hot blonde, who just inherited a shitload of Nazi gold. She'll have some MAGA shill at her side soon. She'll be fine.
IRL shitposter.
Aside from a shitload of memes? Not very much, they will find another disproportioned faced asshole to replace him and his name will be erased from history
I fear it will the shooter's legacy that we will all remember the name. He may have otherwise continued his life as a weird, argumentative footnote in history. Now he will be a vessel of martyrdom that will fill itself with content poured in by those who instrumentalize his unfortunate death.
No martyr is born without fighting for liberty for all in the world before death.
The pig was not one of those.
I fear you either misunderstand my comment or what martyrdom means. I'm no fan of the man who got shot. And for me he'll never be a martyr. But those who did like him can now hail him as such, make him a hero - for all the other people who liked him. Martyrdom is in the eye of the beholder.
Getting assassinated is his legacy for all those who did not know who he was. I think getting assassinated will be his legacy for all those who knew who he was.
Foundation to commemorate the small faces, i hear he was a big rod stewart fan
He may very well be the personality to cause the Epstein files be released.