Charlie Kirk shot in Utah: Live updates
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Yes, it's bad. This is not like the Trump "maybe it was faked with razor blades" kind of thing.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we (arc)
I abhor violence and I don’t want this to ever be considered normal or acceptable. Once again, we need actual gun regulation in this country.
That being said, fuck that guy in particular. He, his ideology, and the causes he advocates for are monstrous and no amount of violence against him should be used to wash any of that away. Make no mistake, his political ideology has helped build the society that is making this kind of horror more commonplace. Let’s not forget, the society that HE is helping to build is largely accepting of gun violence toward children, not to mention many others.
Not according to Kirk. This is the exact kind of violence Kirk themselves advocated for as being "acceptable".
So in a sense his activism was "complete", in that he was rewarded with precisely the kind of thing he spent literally decades arguing should be the case.
This fucker was lying about trans people, saying they are more likely than white men to commit mass shootings, right before he was shot.
He was perpetrating politcal violence against a marginalized minority when political violence silenced him. I don't think this is a good situation (overall as a nation and a society) but this is very much a live by the sword die by the sword moment.
Just think he died with a lie on his lips. Its okay though because he has asked the sky wizard to forgive him for all his sins.
I don't think he had time to ask for forgiveness for that last sin at least
No they do it so generically in the theatre errr church. So I'm sure his type would word it proactively.
I don't abhor it. It's the only language some people understand and we've been placated and lied to since forever that "it doesn't solve anything"
If it doesn't solve anything then why do we have armies?
It’s funny that violence is fine when the US government is assassinating an iranian general., but is abhorent and deplorable when someone assassinates a propagandist who helped destroy american democracy. It’s like the US has a standard, but it’s like, doubled in some way…
They aren't against violence. They just want a monopoly on it.
audible gasp
In the end, all laws are enforced by gun.
Hard disagree. We have plenty of gun regulation. Too much, in fact.
And Trump just said he wants to disarm all Trans folks, so they’re all easier to victimize because of one person. You want more of that? You know who else was in favor of gun control? That’s right.
What we need more than “actual gun regulation” is “actual universal healthcare including mental healthcare”.
You know already, I’m sure, that most gun deaths in the USA each year are from suicide. (gunviolencearchive.org)
Imagine if you gave a shit about that statistic. Now keep imagining that either or both political parties did too. (Stop laughing!) Because however hard you ban guns, all those people still want to die. Imagine fixing that, instead of worrying about whether or not honest people deserve to be able to defend themselves. (Because as it turns out, murderers don’t care about the law, google Abe Japan for an example of that.)
Gun bans won’t stop attacks like today. They’ll stop normal people from defending themselves, and that’s it.
/r/ShitAmericansSay
An American thinks you have to much gun laws. You guys are fucking stupid.
Ahh, so it's Charlie's fault for not being armed on the stage and shooting the bad guy first. Got it. And that's how you want to live. That's how, after seeing a human being probably die in front of all of us in an act of cowardly violence, you think things should work. Awesome. Got it. Great.
Yeah, dude was shot with a sniper rifle mid sentence. How exactly was he supposed to defend himself?
The irony of him talking about shootings in America and then the shot rings out.
That is just…a little too convenient?
Yes. I’m aware. I’m saying the shot timing based on what he was talking about literally right then. Was the whole thing/talk about shootings? Was it a very crazy coincidence? Was the asker and shooter a plant?
We will find out in time. It’s just very weird timing.
I agree with you 100% on this.
I don't think he was considered a disposable pawn. This was the sort of shot that's hard to interpret as a plant.
He may have been killed by the right. But honestly someone is going down for this regardless of if it's the person who shot him. And if the person going down dies before trial they're likely going to have evidence they're trans planted if need be.
Much like the reichstag fire they don't need to fake an incident, they just have to keep twisting the screws and never let a good tragedy go to waste.
yes it does really feel like that. a plant to exert the totalitarian police state just like Germany back then.
Quote from the guy:
So does this count as defense against a tyrannical government? Given that he's a propagandist / mouthpiece for the current said government causing harm to countless humans right now.
That's not even true. The reason for the second amendment is clearly spelled out in the amendment itself. The part that everyone seems to ignore.
It was intended as a way for us to have an army available on short notice without having to maintain a standing army.
Thank you. Finally another person saying this. I try to point this out any time this lie is spread, but it's so common now most people assume it's true. They do t even bother reading it and trying to interpret it for themselves. It's really clear, even today. Given the context of the time, it's even more clear. Standing armies weren't common, and the new nation was poor and definitely didn't expect to be able to have one. It relied on militias for defence.
And there was the whole states vs federal thing going on. They didn't want the Federal gov't to have a standing military for reasons. They gave up on that pretty quickly, too bad they didn't go back and clarify their stance, but how would they know their offspring would be so fucking stupid.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person I guess? He's super pro gun and "taking things in your own hands", so I guess he got what he was asking for.
The only good nazi...
Over 30 minutes since it happened and not a single post on Reddit’s r/politics…. Censorship much?
Yes, they have successfully censored the news. No one will find out.
There are plenty of good reasons to aggressively moderate a shit hole like Reddit. I wouldn’t read into it in this case.
I’m sure it’s cuz links to the video will inevitably appear in the comments.
Still, feels like mods putting the thumb on the scale, and makes me glad I’m here on lemmy
Well I saw the actual footage on Reddit in the Charlie subreddit but it has since been privated/privatized/made private… whatever it’s called. You can’t see it unless you were in the subreddit.
It was on /r/news an hour ago
My non-mod opinion on this:
Trump is posting Kirk is dead.
Not going to celebrate, just noting:
"I can't stand the word 'empathy', I think it's a made up New Age term." - Charlie Kirk
https://youtu.be/qO8GGZ418T8
May the gods judge him fairly in accordance with the life he lived. I bear no further ill will towards him and wish him well in his coming journey. I'm grateful he has stopped hurting people and only wish it had happened differently
Authoritarians use shit like this as fuel to crack down harder.
Yeah, but they use anything and everything as fuel to crack down harder and will only keep cracking down harder and harder until they implode. Other than the talking points people will spout this eveng doesn't actually change anything about our situation.
Talking Points, you say?
Yeah, in retrospect having now seen that video I kind of wish I had chosen a different verb here
I was referencing Turning Point USA actually. In retrospect, it didn’t make much sense.
My brain conflated Turning Point USA and Talking Points Memo.
Claims to be pro-life ???
-Talking Points USA
They do that anyway tbh, it's not like they'll just be nice if nothing ever happens during their time in power
Maybe, but is it better to have the pot slowly come to a boil?
but they're going to do it anyways, so what does it matter
Yeah now some of the merchants of hate may hesitate.
Yes, but Donald has also just made things up whole cloth.
They want a civil war and if we don’t give it to them they will take one anyway.
Are you insinuating that they won't crack down harder otherwise?
Thoughts and prayers.
Another trump style "shooting" now they send Soldiers to Utah
I'd be surprised. Utah is pretty red
Trump style? Can you clarify?
Fake, but that has already been disproven
Ah, I see. Thanks for coming back and clarifying.
There is no negotiating with fascists.
Is the prick dead or not? This article seems more like it wants to fellate republicans who are posting their literal thoughts and prayers for their scumbag friend.
Unknown at this time, but the video is super bad.
I'm not a doctor but the video looked pretty fucking mortal to me
Yep, looks like his jugular was blown out. For some reason, it was on my wife's Facebook. My guess is he's not going to recover from this, by the looks of it. If he does, I don't think he'll have a voice.
Edit: video has been pulled.
Also there are a lot of procedures after he's in the ambulance, if he died in the ambulance for example it would be awhile before we hear anything.
I saw an unironic comment on one of the outlets reporting the shooting, and it was "All the liberal violence has got to end".
I mean....WTAF? No one even knows who the shooter is yet, do they? And how many instances are there of liberal violence?
I bet that same dipstick thinks that J6, the Proud Boys, The 3%ers, the Oathkeepers, and all the other right-wing domestic terrorist groups, are all fine, too....
"near the neck"?
::: spoiler NSFW/NSFL/CW: gunshot to the neck https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457 :::
Please mark NSFW/NSFL - I get that the destination is marked, ours needs to be as well.
Surrounded it in spoiler with appropriate title. Is there another way to mark it NSFW in a comment?
Just put a big "NSFW/NSFL" on it.
Pro tip... If you start a line with a # and a space:
it makes things HUGE!
Well, there was ample warnings on that link… but I still wasn’t prepared.
Unless there are some miracle worker surgeons nearby, yeah…whew buddy.
I work in security, have dealt with people ODing, people with gnarly injuries; that’s definitely a gnarly injury.
Oh shit he's dead dead. There ain't no way he's surviving that.
JFC - please be sure you really want to see it before you click.
I’m in shock
Fucken hell that got even me a bit and I was desensitized by LiveLeak years ago.
Was just about to comment the same. I’ve seen bad shit thanks to my adhd and the all too common morbid curiosity.
Even I wasn’t ready for that, it’s not common to get such a close and focused view on that shit…
I want to emphasis, for anyone morbidly curious, you really ought not click the link unless you want to feel very upset and uneasy. Be warned.
Also, as a side note, that’s not an easy single shot to make, especially if the initial reports are right that it was taken 200 meters away… unless you’re a professional. You have to be very familiar with the gun and really have the sights/scope honed to leave it at a singular shot like that. That’s a small target at that distance even if aiming for center of mass. It’s from the side as well it seems… not many would be comfortable taking that one.
I don’t like this somehow. Feels wrong, even if here especially the target really had it coming.
Id like to note that it made be a bit iffy but between the autism and C-PTSD it barely got me. But yeah if that's my reaction you should be cautious.
Also I doubt the shooter was aiming for the neck, Kirk was moving and it's between both the rough outer range for both a body shot and a headshot. It's possible they were going for center mass but due to various factors nailed him in the neck.
Been following the talking heads on the news and the consensus among professionals is that it's not a particularly hard shot and, if anything, shooter was aiming for a headshot and wasn't prepared for the bullet drop and got lucky.
What’s near the neck? The head? The chest? Trachea?
They would have said in the brain, but that requires brain to be there
It looked to be in his left side of the neck to me. Very severe shot. This is not a Trump "well, maybe he faked it with razor blades" kind of thing. Dude was straight up shot in the neck.
Yeah, I watched that video…. Quite horrifying
But weird they say “near the neck” rather than “in the neck” in the article
Journalists are going to error on the indefinite side if they don't personally know. Anyone who watched the video would say "He got shot in the neck." But if you're only hearing about it 2nd hand you say what you do know.
Source: Wife has a journalism degree.
Lower left side of the neck, just above the clavicle.
Ear
If you take the limit of "near" then yes
"Utah Valley University spokeswoman Ellen Treanor has confirmed to the New York Times that Charlie Kirk was struck by a gunman positioned in the Losee Center, a building approximately 200 yards from the event site."
Unlike Mr.Kirk, I'm in favor of much stronger gun control, but that was quite an accurate shot, harmed nobody else, and well timed for context. Unlike the idiots trying to shoot Trump and either killing another person or not even getting a shot off
OMG, do you suppose Trump hired him to take attention from the Epstein Files?
Ya know I've been saying for years the best way to remove Republican influence is to put the propagandists to the sword. Thusly I am not only fully okay with this, I fucken support it.
I don't want him to die, but I have to be honest: I struggle to find a lot of sympathy.
The same guy who said gun deaths are 'unfortunately worth it' to keep the second amendment.
He wants you to die, and is cool with every child that was shot in a school shooting in the past 20 years. He can rot in hell. Some people have earned the fate they received.
Also said that "Empathy is a made up new age word".
This guy deserves no sympathy.
He didn't deserve it, but I can still choose to be better than him and offer it anyway.
I admire that. The world needs people not as jaded as I.
I don't want people to die, in general, either
but he also doesn't have any place in this world. doesn't really leave a lot of options
I guess what I'm saying is I wish he were the kind of person who deserved to live. but that's not what he chose to be
When he had a chance of recovery my hope was that he had his Paul of Tarsus moment of conversion. It wasn't going to happen because that was a bullet to the neck and he was him, but I'd always rather the evil turn towards good and strive for better. But ultimately I'm glad he has stopped preaching hate
Violence is never the answer, until it is the only answer. We have been approaching that point and it's just going to get worse. The Luigis out there will keep this up whether it is the right or wrong way to do things. All we can do is watch or try and fix it. Too few are even trying.
The Wikipedia editors move fast and have a ton of links up already - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assasination_of_Charlie_Kirk
You can probably guess what Steve Scalise Benjamin Netanyahu and Gavin Newsome have to say, but if you really need to know they're in there
I mean I want leaders disavowing even if it's purely from a tactical standpoint
My first reaction was “oh awesome” but now that I’ve read what happened I hate that he is now going to use this to further his agenda. And trump will react against the universities
Did you see the close up video though? I'm not sure he will have an agenda to follow after this.
I agree. Unless that was altered, he's not coming back from this.
I can’t find any video that shows the actual shooting
I'd post it but I can't find a way to label it NSFW
Dm that shit!
I'll PM you a Lemmy link if you want.
Please DM me a link as well if you could, thanks!
sorry the link no longer works.
They're already blaming Democrats for using words like "fascists".
Pretty sure he's dead.
Is he? I haven't seen any confirmation of that. But I think it said he was shot in the neck from the back, which sounds pretty lethal.
Yep
looked like a front shot to the neck in my opinion.. a LOT of blood instantly leaps out so it must have hit an artery.
My favorite part was the hair flop the moment the bullet hit, but before it tumbled through an artery and shit spewed out. Classic.
LMAO! Rot in piss Charlie. Thought and prayers out for the old white dude who shot him. Can’t wait to see who the next rung on the ladder is.
Video on threads (Description: Video from far away in crowd captures charlie being shot before panning out quickly. No gore.)
edit:
I found a closer up video on reddit. Dude was shot square in the brachial artery... he's 100% dead.
There is another one, closer up and MUCH gorier. I can't find a link but this is no Trump "fight fight fight" stuff.
Ah yes. Just wanted to confirm for myself after the whole trump sniper debacle.
Another Nazi down
Can someone please reply to this comment with a link to the video, making sure to mark your comment "nsfw"?
Well... I wouldn't say LIVE updates, but I get it
Not sure if he was aiming there or for the head and was a little low. (caught him in the lower left neck just above the clavicle)
Either way, not a good spot to get shot... a lot of blood instantly came out.
Good for him
Finally some good news. Any info on what kind of gun they used?
Every killed Palestine should get this sort of news coverage.
Yes. He's alive. Yay, etc.
Edit: apparently he is not that much alive. I wrote this when I read some piece of news that claimed he was shot and taken to the hospital, not pronouncing him dead.
The doctors have their work cut out for them.
ETA: Paging Dr. Combs. Paging Dr. Jeffrey Combs.
Is he?
I mean, James Brady survived a head shot so anything is possible. Be prepared for early news reports to be wrong and corrected multiple times.
This is it. The Kristallnacht has now started thanks to this. It was a good run.