Spyke

used to really enjoy calling men whores until I just found out I can refer to my homies as concu🅱️inus

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CluckNreply
lemmy.world

That’s when my boss doesn’t “agree” with the data so he pulls a number out of his ass.

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discuss.tchncs.de

As a straight guy, some of those seem kinda mean. I thought, they liked their twinks.

To my gay brothers, are they mean? Or am I just too straight to get it?

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feddit.org

They are probably meant to be mean, because the people described had a very low social status in society.

The primary dichotomy of ancient Roman sexuality was active / dominant / masculine and passive / submissive / feminine. Roman society was patriarchal, and the freeborn male citizen possessed political liberty (libertas) and the right to rule both himself and his household (familia). "Virtue" (virtus) was seen as an active quality through which a man (vir) defined himself. The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role. Acceptable male partners were slaves and former slaves, prostitutes, and entertainers, whose lifestyle placed them in the nebulous social realm of infamia, so they were excluded from the normal protections afforded to a citizen even if they were technically free. Freeborn male minors were off limits at certain periods in Rome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

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Tartas1995reply
discuss.tchncs.de

Disappointing and unproductive.

Imagine, you are a top and you are looking for a bottom but the bottoms hide their bottom-ness because they get shit for it.

Praise bottoms and enjoy the fruits of a healing environment.

Of course, there are better reasons to not be a bigot but self-interest should be a convincing one.

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They liked their twinks like many men today like their women.

I.e. they don't like them as people. But they enjoy their bodies.

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People loved to fuck them but didn't value them. Like how people are about prostitutes

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No they did not. The roman republic was very similar to modern America except the guy who ruined it was a bisexual hobag who seemed to care about the proleterii. As a note, it would be culturally improper to refer to a Roman man who exclusively tops men and women as bisexual, but a man who bottoms for men as well as topping women would fit that term. Julius Caesar's bisexuality was a political scandal, and he was referred to by his political opponents as "every woman's man and every man's woman".

Rome loved twinks like America loves trans women, the sex industry and political world tell wildly different stories, and there was cultural back and forth between "hell yeah" "fucking degenerates" and "lol f@g"

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lemmy.world

So you're saying the Romans already used "Sick!" as a descriptor two millennia ago?

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ryedaftreply
sh.itjust.works

1000 years of Romans so I'll be surprised if they haven't used all of our slang at some point.

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lemmy.world

Ok straight people, y'all should know that not every bottom is a twink.

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leminal.space

There's also twunk - a twink and a hunk. A twink with muscles but still hairless, incredibily smooth. A twank on the other hand, a twank is no good. That's a twink and a skank. Essentially just a ragdoll being passed around from twink to twunk to bear to otter...

It's very difficult to maintain the lifestyle of a twank-versatile because this often leads to a lot of self-hatred and denial, especially among the political or religious types, so they try to realign their sexual orientation through therapy.

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sopuli.xyz

puer is just the regular word for boy, as in ”young male” without any sexual connotation.

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bdonvrreply
thelemmy.club

Words can mean different things with different tones and contexts.

Oh that one? He's a guy. But him over there he's a boy

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"Boy" in English has a ton of potential connotations. As one of many examples, during the Civil Rights Movement there was a famous protest sign that said I AM A MAN to counter the way white men addressed black men as "boy."

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A lot of these are just regular words that could also be used for twinkies (especially puer seems funny, calling twink a literal boy).

But we still see influences from the Roman empire today - in financial industry entry positions are often (junior) analyst.

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it's not that well-known so i don't blame the tweeter, but the word starting with E is a slur. i'm not sure if there's an exact replacement, though, because "Inuit" only refers to one community out of I think three?

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Exactly as young as you think unfortunately. They did have slavery, so probably without consent too.

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lemmy.zip

Wonder where the Roman Catholic Church gets it from.

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feddit.org

So when the Republicans go full (Roman) fascism, they will do a 180 and start embracing lgbtq?

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Roman men were as much gay friendly as Republican men are female friendly. Just because they like to fuck them doesn’t mean they see them as equals.

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Krauerkingreply
lemy.lol

They already do. Republicans are some of the top viewers of femboy porn.
Pretty sure pretty sure its a power thing to fuck the thing you "hate"

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It's also a power thing to hate the people you fuck. Especially when you can weaponize traditional or oppositional sexism against them

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Should be from mulier which means woman in Latin, but maybe the mulier word itself is related?

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There is also “Molly” in English but supposedly it has no relation etymologically

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pullus - puella?

Wait does calling girls "chicks" really go all the way back to Latin?

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sopuli.xyz

Ok so a funny thing is that in my language debilas just means someone really stupid it is an insult but is it a coincidence or not because the roman empire had only traded amber with us. And if that is the case I wonder how when trading amber someone diverted the conversation to twinks so many times that it became part of the language. Or it is just a coincidence.

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Spezireply
feddit.org

The translations are in the post, it’s the same word origin. Weak or disabled can also refer to the brain. Its just an adjective.

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cepelinasreply
sopuli.xyz

I understand that but my language isn't romanic just the thing that these words are similar is strange and kinda funny to me.

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Spezireply
feddit.org

It’s probably not a coincidence. There are tons of words in every language that stem from latin one way or another even in russian. Languages can have tons of different influences over the thousands of years they developed and even today they are changing.

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Lithuanian doesn't stem from Latin, though. Their language just hasn't really changed in the last 5000 years or more. Latin is its sister language, though. Lithuanian and Latin basically have the same mother, which is why their grammars and.vocabularies share a lot of features.

Because of having changed so little, Lithuanian also shares several words with Sanskrit (for example: wolf, bread, god, I am, you are) Also, Latvian derived from Lithuanian around year 700, and the current Hindi word for door is about the same as in Latvian. The Lithuanian word has changed a little from back then and doesn't sound so similar any more. (Durvīs/Darvāže/Durys)

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Tuukka Rreply
sopuli.xyz

The Lithuanian meaning is the same as in English, French, Russian, Finnish, etc. The meaning has changed during the two millenia and has then been borrowed into Lithuanian.

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From this, we can infer that twinks were obviously a central part of the Roman conception of the world around them

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