I assume you know and are joking, but in case you (or someone else) doesn't know - sovcits commonly argue that courts have to operate under Common Law or Admiralty Law. They frequently try to get cases thrown out because that's not a thing so courts obviously refuse to call themselves either.
Everyone thinks that's how it works, but you have to call them your lawyer, and they have to call you their client. You both have to behave like you're in that level of relationship. It's not automatic or forced just because you live together and have sex.
I thought you were mathing wrong since I've rarely seen it above $25 (not that I've checked in a loooong time) so I looked up the current spot price. Damn, nearly at $40US/ozt.
... I should sell some of these silver coins I inherited.
They think that if you don't use the word "driving", then you don't need a driver's license. I assume desperately trying not to use the word car is some kind of mush brain attempt to not admit it is a vehicle.
IRS sending in letters about 21 years of scam back taxes I apparently owe them
Taxes are supposed to exist as a way to provide upkeep for infrastructure, government services, and social safety nets. Refusing to pay them while also still benefitting from tax-funded infrastructure and services is just being a parasite on society.
I've got to be honest, I might feel bad for them if SovCits weren't such massive pricks, but being a stupid piece of shit isn't equivalent to insanity to me.
Your Aunt is a lizard person? Insane. You think that you can increase your personal power and spiritual essence by consuming other living beings (insect-to-human cannibalism pipeline; I'm not joking this has been observed, codified and studied) to absorb their souls? Insane. Think that random family members, strangers and people on the TV are threatening you or compelling you to murder? Insane. Thinking that you don't have to pay taxes, obtain or use a driver's license for driving vehicles, etc. because you're not a legal scholar or even lawyer, and base your whackadoodle dumb-fuck interpretations of antiquated legal statutes sourced from Youtubers & Facebook posts? Not insane - You deserve what's coming to you, not because you're a 'bad person', but because you're too stupid to function in society and too arrogant to listen to anyone contradicting you for your own benefit.
This is like those people who argue about whether or not supernatural beliefs are insanity. You can be sane and believe all kinds of crazy shit as long as there's a community of people who also believes in that crazy shit.
Bingo. If I'm not mistaken, it has as much to do with perceived social good as much as the size of the community supporting it. Established religions often have considerable resources at their disposal which they can put to use defending the legal rights of their adherents (or establish, depending on the point in the timeline). Small, siloed conspiracy communities don't have that same centralized organization to coordinate efforts, let alone the financial means to challenge a country's legal system in the larger sense.
I don't hate the idea of buying a house in hard metals with witnesses, instead of wasting money on a lawyer. But surely this person isn't so dumb as to think the price wouldn't be set by the seller, rather than legal nonsense.
Sadly no, but my first encounter with one who's this far down the rabbit hole. Usually it's just creative tax dodges and exploitation of every loophole that I run into - stuff like creating a 501 nonprofit corporation to buy a thing, voting yourself off the board, and declaring bankruptcy (I forget which chapter at the moment), so that basically the creditors get told (legally) to go jump in a lake.
It's madness, but it's plausible. And it has worked at least once. That's the level I usually see them at.
That has less of a sovcit texture and more of a sane, but dishonest and scummy person trying to get something for nothing.
Sovereign Citizens are a special genus where beliefs tend to among other things fixate on a separation of a paper and "real" person, common citation of common law, common incorrect citation of Federal law in state matters, and fixation on treating all legal interactions as if they were contractual exchanges.
I don't think I've ever seen anything that's normally considered sovcit nonsense win in a court. Very occasionally the sovcit wins in spite of themselves, but the actual arguments didn't help.
Well, in a certain sideways sense, every legal interaction kinda is a matter of contract. The problem is that you don't get the right to choose whether you're a signatory or not, and the other party has the right to amend or update the contract at any time they choose. The problem is, unless you're a signatory to at least one of those contracts (by birth or by immigration), you have no rights at all. Once you're in, you really can't get out safely.
Basically your birth certificate is the checkbox on the EULA of lawdul society. Good Lord, I hate that I just thought of it that way, but it works so well as an analogy.
It does read like they think they can invoke some sort of ancient law that says if they can obtain a copy of the title deed (by fair means or foul), find ten silver coins, and get four friends to show up, they can just kick someone out of their own home and they own it now.
If that reading is correct, then I don't know what's worse, that they're dumb enough to believe it, or that they're a horrible enough person that they'd actually go ahead and do that to someone.
It's a ritual spell, it takes five casters, and it consumes the silver thnickels. Most wizards get it at level 8, but if you take ritual casting or specialize in houseromancy you can get it as early as level 4.
I think they might be stupid enough to believe that the value of the house is less silver than was given to sell out a certain heretical carpenter. And that's the kindest reading I can give it.
It was fun at the beginning a little bit. Nice to reconnect with people you went to high school with that you did like, etc. But fake news and conservatives ruined it all, as well as spam and bots and Nazis.
This is actually true, but you have to do it at a crossroads on the Monday nearest to the full moon, turn counterclockwise 3 times, and throw salt over your left shoulder.
Specifically blues guitar, I found that out the hard way. I wanted to shred some metal, but now all I can play is delta blues. I gave it a go for a while, but it’s just not my thing, totally killed my drive. Looking forward to hell. What a rip.
As someone who would also love to divorce myself from inter-subjective realities like “government” and “money” and “time of day” I appreciate these folks’ dedication.
It just seems extremely stressful to me. They create a fictional world through word magic in an attempt to escape reality, and the real world will constantly interfere because it is actually real unlike their fictional one. This again requires them to come up with even more word magic in a vain attempt to counter it, and so on until the real world interferes so concretely with them that they end up in jail.
Conspiracy, really? Are you saying that you actually believe those LIEntists at NASA that we’ve got all these giant fucking rocks just floating around in the sky?
They’re going to hit the glass dome one of these days and then we’re all fucked, that’s what caused the great flood in the bible and it’s also how the dinosaurs killed themselves. The only thing to learn from history is that we don’t learn from history, SMH.
Buying a house for coins and a special handshake sounds like something you'd overhear in a remote jungle village that's never made contact the outside world, yet it's coming from some guy on the fucking internet.
I suppose you could buy a house for whatever 10 silver coins are worth. The important missing variable is somebody willing to actually sell it. Sovcits seem to strangely think other people are onesidedly bound by contracts they invent.
The reason this is so funny is that in Sovcit logic, "conveyance" is a term to invoke a "right to travel" that supposedly makes vehicle licensing and insurance requirements unconstitutional.
By saying he intends to live in one, he's completely undoing that logic. He can't even Sovcit properly.
Sea-going vessels don't have restrictions on commercial use. Conveyances do. So, take your conveyance down to the boat ramp, position at least one wheel in the water to demonstrate it is a water-going vessel. Remove the "conveyance" placard, affix a "vessel" placard, and you now have a self-portaging vessel, free of the encumberences upon land vehicles and conveyances.
I gather you have never encountered sovcits on the internet before? This is oldschool sovcit magic wordsalad, they excelled in it long before the invention of LLMs.
Usual patterns? Maybe it is just human nonsense. I’m honestly to the point where I wouldn’t doubt that anything I see on online is computer generated content. If they can’t make it indiscernible now, it’s only a matter of time. They aren’t going public with half of it.
Is a common law attorney someone who legally becomes your lawyer after you’ve lived with them for a certain amount of time
I assume you know and are joking, but in case you (or someone else) doesn't know - sovcits commonly argue that courts have to operate under Common Law or Admiralty Law. They frequently try to get cases thrown out because that's not a thing so courts obviously refuse to call themselves either.
Which is objectively more bonkers than the silly situation I had cooked up
Funny enough, in Canada we have common-law and civil-law (Québec), which is where my mind immediately went.
This is actually true of the United States, as well. It's Common Law for pretty much everywhere and Civil Law for Louisiana.
And of course both in the case of US and Canada it is a legacy from the UK, which also have Common Law (unlike the rest of Europe).
TIL. I knew Louisiana had a French history, but not that it maintenaned it in anyway, let alone through the legal code.
My sister won't take the bar anywhere else, I assume because she had to learn a ton of arcane Louisiana nonsense that doesn't translate anywhere else
Everyone thinks that's how it works, but you have to call them your lawyer, and they have to call you their client. You both have to behave like you're in that level of relationship. It's not automatic or forced just because you live together and have sex.
Or immediately if you have a child together
Yes, this is true. Provided the seller is a dumb dumb who will accept 10 silver coins (~$400 USD) for a house while 4 of their friends watch in awe.
Only if those are coins of a full ounce of silver, even. Nothing is specified so they might as well be dimes instead.
I was gonna give this fake seller the benefit of the doubt. Surely he’d request American Eagles at least.
It's likely worse than that, even. "Silver coins" in sovcit often mean silver in color, i.e. quarters.
Dude wants a house for $2.50.
There are silver content quarters, pre 1964 I think? These are the ones they use, or attempt to use because it's all bullshit anyway.
The thinking is that there's real value in silver. The ones made today aren't actually worth thier face value in materials.
Isnt gonna get a house, but i like the sentiment that my physical money has real physical value.
Course. We need to hasten the apocalypse, so why not just make up numbers in the cloud instead
what's the point, he's just gonna get outbid by the loch ness monster
But what about one "original deed"?
The seller might have it
I thought you were mathing wrong since I've rarely seen it above $25 (not that I've checked in a loooong time) so I looked up the current spot price. Damn, nearly at $40US/ozt.
... I should sell some of these silver coins I inherited.
Every sovcit post is just chock-full of words being used oddly.
In what world does "conveyance" refer to a living space?
I guess when you're living in your van down by a river.
They think that if you don't use the word "driving", then you don't need a driver's license. I assume desperately trying not to use the word car is some kind of mush brain attempt to not admit it is a vehicle.
Conveyance means car. He's talking about living in his car.
Lol I actually did know that, but the writing is so weird I couldn't figure it out!
I must have broken my brain watching sov cit nonsense for years because sadly I understood ot
I kinda feel bad for this person. They're either incompetent or delusional to the point that they basically have a disability.
I don't.
Taxes are supposed to exist as a way to provide upkeep for infrastructure, government services, and social safety nets. Refusing to pay them while also still benefitting from tax-funded infrastructure and services is just being a parasite on society.
Yes. These people are looking for cheat codes so they can avoid their responsibilities.
And they're about to hit a wall of reality when they become homeless
I don’t. I know people like this. They’re stupid, stubborn, selfish, lazy, egomaniacal jerks.
Just the worst Karens ever.
I've got to be honest, I might feel bad for them if SovCits weren't such massive pricks, but being a stupid piece of shit isn't equivalent to insanity to me.
Your Aunt is a lizard person? Insane. You think that you can increase your personal power and spiritual essence by consuming other living beings (insect-to-human cannibalism pipeline; I'm not joking this has been observed, codified and studied) to absorb their souls? Insane. Think that random family members, strangers and people on the TV are threatening you or compelling you to murder? Insane. Thinking that you don't have to pay taxes, obtain or use a driver's license for driving vehicles, etc. because you're not a legal scholar or even lawyer, and base your whackadoodle dumb-fuck interpretations of antiquated legal statutes sourced from Youtubers & Facebook posts? Not insane - You deserve what's coming to you, not because you're a 'bad person', but because you're too stupid to function in society and too arrogant to listen to anyone contradicting you for your own benefit.
This is like those people who argue about whether or not supernatural beliefs are insanity. You can be sane and believe all kinds of crazy shit as long as there's a community of people who also believes in that crazy shit.
Bingo. If I'm not mistaken, it has as much to do with perceived social good as much as the size of the community supporting it. Established religions often have considerable resources at their disposal which they can put to use defending the legal rights of their adherents (or establish, depending on the point in the timeline). Small, siloed conspiracy communities don't have that same centralized organization to coordinate efforts, let alone the financial means to challenge a country's legal system in the larger sense.
Wait until you here about relegion.
Too late frisbees King James bible into blazing fireplace from across room
says a load of obvious nonsense
Is this true?
No, you gibbering buffoon.
Arrr, ye be underestimatin' the power o' ten pieces o' eight an', uh, an' two secretaries!
Two secretaries at the same time, man.
Common law attorney = just some guy (no law degree)
Kidnapping? No, it's common law imprisonment!
It’s a citizens arrest followed by a citizens trial, citizens conviction, and citizens imprisonment.
Common-law attorney = just some guy (no law degree)
Common law attorney = just some guy (yes law degree)
Common law-attorney = good for Common, he got his law degree.
i thought that was just his name. Now he's Common Law-Attorney, Attorney at Law
It would be nice to read his law-blog.
Collector's Law Attorney
I don't hate the idea of buying a house in hard metals with witnesses, instead of wasting money on a lawyer. But surely this person isn't so dumb as to think the price wouldn't be set by the seller, rather than legal nonsense.
Show up to their house with silver and some witnesses. Your house now.
I think that varies on the amount of silver.
i find the shape of the silver is more important. bullet-shapes tend to be most convincing, even if you only have one.
Of course, kemosabe.
Dunno truck full of coins is my preferred form of tender. It just sucks to count.
You bring me a big enough truck full of coins, we might have a conversation going.
Legal nonsense is exactly what they believe in, that's why they say "conveyance" instead of "car".
Ah, so this is your first encounter with sovcits?
Sadly no, but my first encounter with one who's this far down the rabbit hole. Usually it's just creative tax dodges and exploitation of every loophole that I run into - stuff like creating a 501 nonprofit corporation to buy a thing, voting yourself off the board, and declaring bankruptcy (I forget which chapter at the moment), so that basically the creditors get told (legally) to go jump in a lake.
It's madness, but it's plausible. And it has worked at least once. That's the level I usually see them at.
That has less of a sovcit texture and more of a sane, but dishonest and scummy person trying to get something for nothing.
Sovereign Citizens are a special genus where beliefs tend to among other things fixate on a separation of a paper and "real" person, common citation of common law, common incorrect citation of Federal law in state matters, and fixation on treating all legal interactions as if they were contractual exchanges.
I don't think I've ever seen anything that's normally considered sovcit nonsense win in a court. Very occasionally the sovcit wins in spite of themselves, but the actual arguments didn't help.
Well, in a certain sideways sense, every legal interaction kinda is a matter of contract. The problem is that you don't get the right to choose whether you're a signatory or not, and the other party has the right to amend or update the contract at any time they choose. The problem is, unless you're a signatory to at least one of those contracts (by birth or by immigration), you have no rights at all. Once you're in, you really can't get out safely.
Basically your birth certificate is the checkbox on the EULA of lawdul society. Good Lord, I hate that I just thought of it that way, but it works so well as an analogy.
It does read like they think they can invoke some sort of ancient law that says if they can obtain a copy of the title deed (by fair means or foul), find ten silver coins, and get four friends to show up, they can just kick someone out of their own home and they own it now.
If that reading is correct, then I don't know what's worse, that they're dumb enough to believe it, or that they're a horrible enough person that they'd actually go ahead and do that to someone.
It's a ritual spell, it takes five casters, and it consumes the silver thnickels. Most wizards get it at level 8, but if you take ritual casting or specialize in houseromancy you can get it as early as level 4.
I think they might be stupid enough to believe that the value of the house is less silver than was given to sell out a certain heretical carpenter. And that's the kindest reading I can give it.
For some people, the world is a magical place.
Looks like you already know what you need to do brother.
Hire even moar attorneys
StarCraft Protoss voice: "YOU MUST HIRE ADDITIONAL ATTORNEYS."
Facebook is an enormous mistake.
All of us on facebook when it was college only knew it was a mistake to make it public.
It was amazing to meet people in my dorm before school started.
Yup. In 2005 I used it to find parties and even get laid a few times. By 2008 my aunt was sending me friend requests and I was done.
That's why you don't give them your real details when you sleep with them, but I guess that's a unique situation.
It was fun at the beginning a little bit. Nice to reconnect with people you went to high school with that you did like, etc. But fake news and conservatives ruined it all, as well as spam and bots and Nazis.
This is actually true, but you have to do it at a crossroads on the Monday nearest to the full moon, turn counterclockwise 3 times, and throw salt over your left shoulder.
I think you're thinking of learning how to play blues guitar.
Specifically blues guitar, I found that out the hard way. I wanted to shred some metal, but now all I can play is delta blues. I gave it a go for a while, but it’s just not my thing, totally killed my drive. Looking forward to hell. What a rip.
Classic monkey paw scenario. You're a guitar god...when it comes to 1920s Delta blues played exclusively on a shitty old resonator guitar.
Sadly no market for that kind of thing.
Macbeth !
You can buy a house with ten silver coins - if the seller is stupid enough.
Or the witnesses and secretaries are carrying weapons.
Or if the coins are big enough. I'd sell a house for a couple Big Leaf Maple coins.
Mate, just do heroin.
It's at least a more fun way to end up homeless.
As someone who would also love to divorce myself from inter-subjective realities like “government” and “money” and “time of day” I appreciate these folks’ dedication.
It just seems extremely stressful to me. They create a fictional world through word magic in an attempt to escape reality, and the real world will constantly interfere because it is actually real unlike their fictional one. This again requires them to come up with even more word magic in a vain attempt to counter it, and so on until the real world interferes so concretely with them that they end up in jail.
make sure to pick a conspiracy theory that doesn't matter, like venus being fake
Conspiracy, really? Are you saying that you actually believe those LIEntists at NASA that we’ve got all these giant fucking rocks just floating around in the sky?
i saw giant rocks floating around in james cameron's avatar movie and the man is a scientist so i believe it
what the fuck do you think the rockets are for? they put the rocks up there because otherwise it'd be trivial to disprove.
They’re going to hit the glass dome one of these days and then we’re all fucked, that’s what caused the great flood in the bible and it’s also how the dinosaurs killed themselves. The only thing to learn from history is that we don’t learn from history, SMH.
You can buy a new house in my city for 10 silver coins, provided that each coin is worth $100,000.
Instead of coins, you should try magic beans, then you can live in the clouds.
Buying a house for coins and a special handshake sounds like something you'd overhear in a remote jungle village that's never made contact the outside world, yet it's coming from some guy on the fucking internet.
I suppose you could buy a house for whatever 10 silver coins are worth. The important missing variable is somebody willing to actually sell it. Sovcits seem to strangely think other people are onesidedly bound by contracts they invent.
I'll sell a shitton of houses to that dude for silver coins. I might not own them, but that's his problem, i got the coins now
Yoink!
And you can claim the original land grant from British royalty is the original deed.
and making something that looks that old is pretty easy, just need some parchment and coffee
10 coins but only during a new moon.
waxing gibbous is my final offer
Yes the leprechaun has to sell you his house for 10 silver coins but only if you have 2 witnesses
AND two secretaries. come on, who's gonna keep notes for both sides without the secretaries?
Even bigger than this?
how many thnickels is that
i counteroffer 10 thnickels
That's approximately 82,081 teaspoons (or 2.1 million carats).
i cannot believe they don't use "thicc", fucking worthless
Hocus-pocus, your foreclosure is now a bouquet of flowers and magical silver coins each worth 1/10th of literally any house.
It's not a car, it's a conveyance.
The reason this is so funny is that in Sovcit logic, "conveyance" is a term to invoke a "right to travel" that supposedly makes vehicle licensing and insurance requirements unconstitutional.
By saying he intends to live in one, he's completely undoing that logic. He can't even Sovcit properly.
Buncha idiots.
Sea-going vessels don't have restrictions on commercial use. Conveyances do. So, take your conveyance down to the boat ramp, position at least one wheel in the water to demonstrate it is a water-going vessel. Remove the "conveyance" placard, affix a "vessel" placard, and you now have a self-portaging vessel, free of the encumberences upon land vehicles and conveyances.
21 years? Usually they stop at 7 unless they've got proof of fraud
I think the only thing missing would be a partridge in a pear tree to make it work.
Might have been a thing in 1507. Hope they got a time machine.
I thought it was 3 secretaries
Apparently.
I know you're probably tired of all the AI paranoia, but I have a feeling this is from chatgpt...
I gather you have never encountered sovcits on the internet before? This is oldschool sovcit magic wordsalad, they excelled in it long before the invention of LLMs.
Howso? It doesn't seem to have any of the usual patterns, aside from being complete nonsense.
Usual patterns? Maybe it is just human nonsense. I’m honestly to the point where I wouldn’t doubt that anything I see on online is computer generated content. If they can’t make it indiscernible now, it’s only a matter of time. They aren’t going public with half of it.
Yeah it is just human nonsense. You can see 10 plus year old posta from sovcits like this. Many even crazier ones.
https://seanjkernan.substack.com/p/13-signs-you-used-chatgpt-to-write