Team Trump Is Actually Drawing Up Attack Plans for Mexico
Trump is eager to breach Mexico’s sovereignty to attack cartels, officials say — just don’t call it an invasion
A new directive signed last week by President Donald Trump gives the Pentagon authorization to use military force against Latin American drug cartels designated as terrorist organizations, according to administration sources.
A U.S. official familiar with the matter confirmed to Rolling Stone certain details regarding the Trump-signed directive, which was first reported by The New York Times. Other knowledgeable sources, working in or close to this iteration of the Trump White House, say that unless Mexico gives Trump what he wants, this administration is serious about attacking its neighbor to the south. And according to administration officials and others familiar with the Trump administration preparations, it’s not a bluff: This American president wants to violently breach Mexico’s sovereignty — if and when he feels like it. He, after all, effectively campaigned on doing so during his 2024 bid.
Just don’t call any of this a plan for an invasion, U.S. government officials implore.
Speaking about the new directive, a senior administration official says, “It’s not a negotiating tactic. It’s not Art of the Deal. The president has been clear that a strike … is coming unless we see some big, major changes.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/team-trump-mexico-cartels-military-attack-plans-1235407875/Open linkView original on lemmy.world
Imagine a timeline where the USA, Mexico, Canada, Europe, and the rest of the world's democracies that at least try to be diverse, equitable, and inclusionary... were all working together to minimize friction among their liberalized economies and cultures.
We'd be a spacefaring species within a generation or two.
Its too bad we spent the last 50 or so years chasing the dragon of profit and letting it divide us. Profit. Some shit we made the fuck up.
Even the original space race was about ICBMs and intelligence gathering satellites.
As per Star Trek lore, we’ve got to nuke ourselves to near extinction first :/
I think there is still plenty of pages in the dark chapter we currently find ourselves in to make that prophecy true since the bell roots turned out to be a different timeline
Ngl I watched both episodes of Past Tense on September 1st 2024, if for nothing else then a memorial.
But here we are. This is what’s happening. This is where we live.
Mexico is owned by the cartels. They're not a free and fair democracy anymore, and should not be included as one.
Sounds like USA, but replace Cartel with Billionaires
I'm going to paste here a comment I made from 10 months ago
Oh god....
This guy predicts!
Thing is, this isn't even an amazing prediction. Every tin pot dictator follows the same script
Who's going to stop the American nazis?
It might be the cartels.
Cartels been killing judges and politicians for decades. They don't do it in the USA because they don't want that type of heat on them. If the US invades, I'm sure they'll start.
Plus, the hiring standards and practices of ICE makes it incredibly easy to do sabotage. Masks, unlicensed cars, firearms, no need for badges nor warrants, bounties to pay for operating expenses, and no need to explain anything. It is a wet dream for anyone who wants to engage in overt operations.
I have been consistently surprised to not see this already be a thing but, heck, if it were, how would we even know?
As if they'd be like "Oh THAT unmarked van full of armed masked thugs that stormed a residence/school/business and dragged people away? Shoot, that one wasn't us, sorry!"
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope
Given that Canada and Greenland are also in the sight of these nazis we might need a larger coalition .
A) No one.
B) Canada and a subsequent western coalition.
C) Latin America and a surprise coalition.
D) Some mix of the above.
The thing is, Taiwan is probably going to get invaded if Trump invades Mexico.
I've been hearing about the impending Chinese invasion of Taiwan since Dick Cheney started chewing on that bone in the 1990s.
We've dropped bombs across half of North Africa since we started mainlining "Taiwan will be invaded". We've manufactured five major famines - Haiti, Sudan/Ethiopia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Gaza - since then. We've toggled the "bankrupt Cuba through sanctions while we run a torture camp from the naval base on their island" switch at least twice since then. We've backed regime changes in Bolivia, Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, El Salvador, plus a couple failed ones in Venezuela and Chile since then. We've gerrymandered our own Congress three separate times since then.
I gotta say... maybe it takes one to know one. But it's not China the Taiwanese seem like they should be worried about. Just ask the folks in South Korea, who are cleaning up after their third near-reversion-to-dictatorship in twenty years, under reactionary presidents we supported. Or Indonesia and the Philippines, which seem unable to get out from beneath our proxies' jack boots.
Add to that the fact China hasn't even TRIED to invade Taiwan since the separation in 1949. So it's clearly a difficult task.
But all of what you've said was before Xi came to power, he's worked hard to knock out all serious competition for leadership in the party ranks to the point he's able to extend his term indefinitely.
...and I'm not saying he's a bad leader. But he does seem more intent on this (rather difficult) goal than previous leaders ...and it is a difficult goal, largely due to the cliff faces and wide marshy beaches.
Which is why China recently developed large landing barges loosely based off some British WW2 technology (now with fold out bridges on them, to cross the beaches completely):
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/01/china-suddenly-building-fleet-of-special-barges-suitable-for-taiwan-landings/
Should those prove effective when testing occurs later this year, it will greatly expand landing location. So there's a bit of a technological arms race going on. Add in Ukraine proving the importance of drones in modern warfare and you have a technological landscape that makes previously difficult invasion plans more possible.
All this said, I personally think that China's claim over Taiwan is somewhat legitimate. Or at least more legitimate than Russian claims over Ukraine, or American claims over Mexico.
Taiwan (which is just 150 kms off China's coast) was a western backed dictatorship under the right wing KMT authoritarians for 25+ years, even today one of the two main parties in Taiwan is still the "Chinese Nationalist Party" (the same party that ran the dictatorship)... Also Taiwan isn't even the official name of the country, it's officially the "Republic Of China"... Which seems like, trolling.
But yeah, I support democracies, and think China should be more democratic.. I'd love it if Taiwan could be more democratic (change its name, kick out the KMT)... But yeah, seems more possible than ever that China can invade, which would change the world order drastically as the Western foothold on Taiwan allows the west to monitor/blockade shipping.
The primary means by which the Chinese government has attempted to influence Taiwanese domestic politics has been diplomatic and economic. They've expanded their trade relations and increased foreign investments. They've relaxed travel restrictions and even subsidized the cost of travel between the island and the mainland.
One of the recent flashpoints in China/Taiwan relations in recent years was in 2019 when the Hong Kong government implemented a program for extraditing Chinese nationals to Taiwan for criminal prosecution. This was in response to a grisly murder and subsequent flight from the law by the murderer. By attempting to repatriate Chan Tong-kai to Taiwan for the crime of murdering his pregnant girlfriend, the Hong Kong government inadvertently set off months of violent protests.
If you look at the influential model of the Chinese diplomatic core and economic model, they don't need to establish a military presence in Taiwan. They just need the Taiwanese public to stop seeing Chinese businessmen and politicians as existential threats to their safety.
That's already happened across West Africa. And it is an increasingly common sentiment across the South Pacific, the Middle East, and the European South. To quote Dr Lubinda Haabazoka, Director of the University of Zambia Graduate School of Business and former President of the Economics Association of Zambia
Oh China has all sorts of influence over Taiwan who are their largest trading partner and their traditional gateway to the west. There's lots of reasons not to invade.
But leaders aren't always rational.
glances Putin-ward
No kidding.
Nevertheless, the modern Chinese state seems more rational and less belligerent than most.
Yeah, I agree.
More rational than most is not a tough hurdle. The average in state rationality is something like Kazakhstan
I think he can only be stopped from the inside. Idk if that will happen though
Come on, high cholesterol!
Well it sure won't be the European Nazis.
Stole this gem from another thread.
It's a Special Military Operation. When the Mustard Mussolini is done fondling Putin's balls he'll have him explain how he pulled it off.
Zero downvotes, sure says something doesn't it?
It's the perfect expression of that meme.
It should be the only version the entire internet uses. Or, at least by those of us in the US. But let's be honest, everybody is kind of into rich powerful evil pedos seeing some kind of accountability for anything anywhere.
Anything to avoid releasing the Tacostein files.
worked for netanyahu
Excuse me, but I couldn’t help but notice we haven’t released the Epstein files
Wikipedia defines an invasion as:
Attacking Mexico would be an invasion.
Go fuck yourself. It's an invasion.
Good thing I don't live in Texas anymore. They're gonna get the shit terrorized out of them in response. This asymmetric stuff gets nasty and the US won't be able to identify good hispanic from bad hispanic based on color alone.
What makes you think they'll even try to?
I mean... I doubt Texas will be where it ends...
Wasn’t this the Plot of one of the Tom Clancy movies where Harrison Ford played Jack Ryan?
Clear and Present Danger
It’s a good flick for sure. It also has Willem Dafoe and Raymond Cruz in it.
ok as a naive Canadian can I just ask...What's the point of saying "Epstein list" over and over?
I know he's on it, you know he's on it, everyone knows he's on it so if/when it does come to light that he is INFACT on it and it's proven in black and white...then what? he gets removed from office? someone starts an impeachment process that goes no where? cause all the other motions for impeachment have worked out well. Or he and his administration and the rest of the GOP simply ignore it and continue on their fascist path.
I just don't understand it. Based on what I've seen and read nothing would happen.
MAGA has been largely driven by the idea of globalist pedophilic sex trafficking rings. They were literally shooting up a pizza parlor because it supposedly ran child rape in its basement - when the place didn’t even have a basement. They believe there’s a video of Hillary Clinton ripping a child’s face off to get high on “adenochrome.”
And the reality is that there was a high level sex trafficking ring for the wealthy and powerful, that was covered up by various high level interests - but that their “savior” figure who was supposed to expose it was always in on it.
The hope is that MAGA idiots will see this and turn on him. But the reality is they won’t. It’s turned into a religion. Alex Jones seemed like he was going to break back when they first started denying the files exist, but he’s fully back on the Trump train.
It’s a hope that this will finally be the straw that breaks the camels back - that they will realize that their Christ has always been an Antichrist, coming from a misguided belief that these people are capable of seeing reason.
It's hope that MAGA will turn on him once they see the list, because him not releasing them is actually frustrating quite a few of them who voted with this as their primary issue when trump was using it as a platform.
Never has the world witnessed such a wave of the stupidest people suddenly changing their minds because of a new piece of evidence. Oh, it would be amazing!
My instinct is to say I'm not holding my breath. But in this case, since it's not just the ordinary people involved but some of the spreaders of propaganda, I can at least imagine a plausible outcome where this one sticks. And by "plausible" I mean in the sense of a meme of Dr Strange holding up one finger towards Jim Carrey who replies "so you're saying there's a chance."
It's like when Jordan Klepper was interviewing Trump supporters. There was one interview where he was talking to a woman who insisted Trump was innocent of intimidating witnesses, and when he pulled solid logic to show he was guilty, she responded "I don't care".
You could've said the same thing before you had MAGA people calling trump out on not releasing the files on his own Truth social platform. It's a sticking point for many of them
Nah it’s not hope for maga to wake up it’s to ensure maga can’t easily run away from it and pretend he’s not on the list and instead the oem that will bring all the pedos to justice lol
A lot of people are talking on the defaults, but why I'm on the train about the Epstein list is it's the only thing that I've actually seen rattle the MAGAt cult, and that's having to interact with the idiots at work and the like.
Trump ran on releasing it, then when he got in Pam Bondi said it was on her desk ready to be released, then suddenly "what list?" then told to pay no attention to the list.
These people are awful and willing to support a dictator, but apparently they draw the line at supporting someone diddling kids. So keeping the Epstein list in the news cycle gives one of the only two places I've seen Trump lose control over his cult, the only other one was when he suggested they take the vaccine early on, and he pivoted when the booing started. This one he can't pivot out of.
So I'll do the one that might keep a few potential brownshirts from joining, instead of trying to point out he's an authoritarian fascist which they'll just call me a commie and then ask him to step on their neck harder.
Basically my same thoughts as an American myself. But the MAGA crowd is honestly tiring and annoying, I try to be in the middle about everything but MAGA is a cult, a very misinformed and arrogant one. I would love to see things go back to pre-MAGA. It's made this country more divided than ever (not that it wasn't before, but it was tolerable). I think the era of social media and it's algorithms has made both sides be so hostile towards each other, there's a great documentary explaining why, called The Social Dilemma.
I know, it's been so obvious to me that Epstein was a distraction, and the stuff on top of that was a distraction from the distraction.
Nothing will come of the Epstein list just like nothing came from the Panama papers, and ultimately Trump will die one day, but the damage he's done to our institutions will stay. Him being a pedophile won't change any of that.
Basically I put news in 2 categories:
Epstein is category 2 for all I'm concerned. Nothing will happen to Trump. At worst he doesn't serve a 3rd term, which is fine, but his base isn't going to just embrace democracy after this.
I'd back a cartel if they assassinated Trump et al.
I would also back any cartel that could pull this off. Would love to see the documentary after too.
Ah, the gentleperson's ever-present silver lining when they find themselves living in "interesting times":
This is going to produce some great documentaries!
...I hope I live long enough to see the end of this shit!
...plus a few years for journalism and research and production on the documentaries using humane working schedules, of course. And some totally understandable production delays and interview re-shoots.
Do they have a gofundme
+10000 to that. I'll even donate to the cause.
Doesn't Iran already have a bounty on him?
Epstein list
I’ll believe it when I see it. Everything right now is just a giant distraction from The You Know What PDF Files
My friends in Canada, I hope you know he is coming to take your land as well. This is a runaway train & other counties will have to intervene
Speaking as someone who's equidistant between them, I'm hoping Canada and Mexico are working hard on talks behind the US's back on a mutual defense pact, preferably with the EU. The US is WAY too big to allow to take countries while telling others "It'll be fine, we won't bother you." like Germany did in its last invasion tour.
If there is a mutual defense pact, I hope that there is also an agreement to help the good guys in a 2nd American Civil War. Having trade, transport, and military cooperation would go a long way towards making this shitshow end sooner.
I will also make a prediction: Iran and other Middle East nations that have been attacked by America would have agreements with Mexico and Canada to be granted passage and support for operating within the US. It is pretty much Behind the Bastard's universal theory of "fuck that guy.".
I mean... that ABSOLUTELY would have to happen. Going up against the US in its back yard in a traditional war would be absolutely blitheringly stupid. The US, one thing everyone can agree on has put so much money in its military that China is the only superpower that really has a chance to throw its whole military might against the whole of the US military might and not be crushed. The US has trouble with wars because we don't commit wholly to a war, and keep our military spread all over the world. If the mutual defense pact comes up and you have two neighboring countries at the north and south at war, the US will commit fully.
But the US is, for all its pride that's how independence was gained, terrible at asymmetric warfare. It's why Afghanistan would be considered a failure, is traditional warfare tactics was not what it took to take out the leadership there, and honestly we made things worse. So basically, if there is a mutual defense pact between those two and it doesn't include help get a civil war going and assist it any way possible, I would think then the pact would be useless.
I think its almost universally accepted that the US would crush Canada in a traditional land war, but the long term occupation would destroy the US. Its one thing to invade a distant land across the world with people who look and speaking nothing like you. Its a different story to do it in your own backyard with people who look, talk and think like you and are thorough embedded in your society.
Yes, their plans and everything else that evacuates from this turd circus are awful, but bear in mind they’re not very good at anything at all. I’m sure the plan is to land at Belize and drive up in unmarked Penske rental trucks.
I thought he said he was the peace president. You know, based on literally nothing
Putin is coaching him, he's been convinced "strong men annex neighbouring territory" and wants to be like Russia is to Ukraine.
It's the same thing that got all the Oligarchy in line, it's all via Putin coaching him.
Wait, are you trying to tell me that this is some sort of diversion by Donald Trump, the convicted rapist and close friend of Jeffrey Epstein? That Donald Trump? The one who bought a teenage beauty pageant and constantly stormed in back stage to peep kids? The one who, in a complete 180 pivot from their campaigning, is moving heaven and earth to divert attention away from the Epstein files? I... I need a minute to process all this.
They've BEEN doing it...
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/stephen-miller-border-troops-trump-mexico-cartels-1244716/
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-mexico-drug-cartels-military-invade-1235183177/
The DoD draws up attack plans on every country. I would be more surprised if this didn't exist.
Yeah, it's practically an exercise for the operations people. The news is that there's interest in putting it into action, not the plan itself.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump ignores those existing plans and just bum rushes the border, without any logistics whatsoever.
I bet it doesn't exist for Russia
Nah, we're dealing with psychos here.
They still exist, but now Russia has a copy.
Plus, Trump has other Russia attack plans being drawn up by a secret second military headed by a random other grifter that found the right combination of gold plated baubles and ass kissing.
Well, now we know the cartels have a copy of the Epstien list, or at least the receipts from their transactions.
I think that Mexico's government and the cartels might actually agree to set aside their differences. Trump and his goons would send all Mexicans to death camps, regardless of whether they are actual criminals.
God damn, through his psycho filter Mexico probably just looks like trillions of dollars of tropical beach front property that needs to be cleared of the natives and any other dangerous wildlife.
Not trying to defend Trump, but war plans are standard. Militaries and leaders are supposed to think of different scenarios and contingencies. The US drew up plans to invade Canada should there be war with Britain back in the 1920s and 1930s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_color-coded_war_plans?wprov=sfla1
So you just didn't read the whole thing, or what?
Mexico isn't NATO either so nobody will come to help them beyond material support.
So, it's the Batman scenario? Where Batman has plans to take down every other hero?
Good plan for the US .... invade the country and take over but don't govern it .... you take the people and use them as labor and never give them citizenship rights. An excellent source of free labor that you wouldn't have to give rights to and literally treat like slaves.
At this point I'm hoping that global warming will kill us all sooner rather than later.
We should do a general strike. Global warming can be plan B.
I’m doing my part!
"Look, even the racists aren't quite ready to say they're ready to go back to the southern plantations out loud yet. We gotta ease back in if we want to bring back the CSA to its glory."
I wish I could say this theory was more crackpot than I fear it is.
The distractions are getting more ludicrous daily
He wants a Nobel Peace Prize so badly you can smell the desperation, but Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller wants to murder millions of people so he doesn't feel like a weak little Jew with a tiny dick, so he's whispering in HitlerPig's ear like Wormtongue, and encouraging war.
Certainly Vlad gave his fucking sock puppet more advice on the subject during his visit to Alaska.
And then American citizens team up with the cartel.
Joining the war on Mexico, on the side of Mexico https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jT05670l-U
Man this is wild… if the U.S. really goes through with this, it’s gonna strain things with Mexico in a way we haven’t seen before. Feels like they’re walking a thin line and calling it everything except an invasion doesn’t change what it is. Definitely something to keep an eye on
Time to learn Spanish
Shit children, every military has plans to attack everyone else on the planet-- friend or foe. It's what they do when they ain't got no real war to fight. It's just none of you here have ever noticed. And by tomorrow you will have forgotten about it again.
Just another colonial genocide against native peoples
This has nothing to do with the native population, and everything to do with Trump needing a national emergency to distract from everything he is doing, and everything he has previously done.
looking at the racialized terrorism going on in the United States. I strongly disagree