I wish there was an uninhabited, autonomous zone for folks who want "freedom" to play out their dangerous ideas away from the rest of society
I know it never could or would work, but every so often I wish there was some imaginary huge tract of land that nobody had owned before...and I guess somehow didn't affect the environment for all the assholes that want to play power games or pretend they could rule the world or just live lawlessly so they could be silo'ed off from society. Of course it would fall apart, innocent people would somehow end up in there. They'd probably end up attacking the rest of the world and I'm sure a myriad of other terrible problems. But man that'd be nice.
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Nah but I'm stuck here., womp womp. I want a place people voluntarily go into. This is not based in reality lol. As I've gotten older and learned more about history, I realized what a cursed nation we are though...
As soon as people start having kids, you're back to square one
Sorry, you're born too late. You would have loved 19th century colonialism. As long as you could get over the "uninhabited" part of course.
Everybody is assuming I want to take part in this. I want an imaginary zone for all the assholes to go to...
Ive had similar thoughts about racially pure islands. Everyone's happy. The race-supremacy people get to live among their own and the rest of us are free from their bullshit.
But then the children will have to be raised by racists
Since they're racists they soon would find other random properties to segregate.
This is it 👍
Even more adventurous and lawless and dangerous in earlier centuries.
They sure did back then, easy as pie.
And some very influential people want that era back. Incl. trampling on people already living there. [Techbroligarch "Freedom" Cities]
-Pierce Hawthorne
I imagine it becoming a haven for profitable vices like drugs, gambling and prostitutes to make money off tourists.
So you're saying someone would make their own country, with blackjack and hookers?
Sure. And in my imaginary head canon that is fine and everyone assumes the risk of going into that zone. Once again...this would never work.
So, Nevada?
MDMA legalised there?
It would be easier to somehow trick those people into a matrix-style virtual reality where it's literally the same as the current world at the point where they enter (so they don't realize). Then they can act out whatever they want to do as they do in the real world with all the consequences, but instead affecting nothing in reality. Having an autonomous zone to act it out won't work because they won't be satisfied if the real world they perceive isn't affected.
So we trick the red pilled into taking the blue pills...
Pink Floyd - The Fletcher Memorial Home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDzR2zSgsM
Huh I've never seen this!
Spot on. Never seen that one before
You should watch Westworld! It's basically what you describe.
Honestly I'm more wishing the opposite was possible. Imagine a utopia to test out, UBI, communism etc... somewhere that capitalists aren't going to sabatoge and declare war on it while it's in it's infancy.
Danish countries.
And...huh, it works.
I guess by "Danish countries" you mean scandinavia (Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland)? Then i regrettably have to inform you, that they are just slightly less horrendously capitalistic. Compared to the USA they probably seem like star trek though, so i get the sentiment.
That was essentially why the US was founded.
But alas we were also assholes the whole time...
What a bunch of selfish twats!
You might want to read Neuromancer to find out why that’s a terrible idea. If it’s in a cyberpunk world, it’s almost assuredly a giant red flag the author is waving.
To be clear, I don't want to go to this autonomous zone. I want others to go do their weird shit there ha. But yea I'll have to read Neuromancer, have heard it's a good read.
It’s not about living there. The zone still allows for the rich and powerful to exploit people and profit immensely off of it. The world would be no prettier because your autonomous zone; that area would just be filthier.
And thus why this zone is imaginary and would never work and I say it would have terrible problems. I fully accept reality and don't want this to actually exist. This shower thought was not based in reality yet it seems I wasn't clear about that.
Have you heard about what happened when libertarians took over Grafton, NH?
Ha that was a fascinating read. I guess bears are libertarian as well!
You might be interested in the history of Kowloon Walled City after WW2
Yea that place sounds nuts. My mom was for a time from Kowloon, not the walled city but I'm guessing around the same time it operated which is wild to imagine.
Would you kindly make Rapture a real place?
It wouldn't work, even in principle. They want to force you to live by their lunacy. It would be totally pointless if they couldn't exert power over the unwilling.
Of course it wouldn't work. That's the whole point. But I say we just ship them there whether they want to go or not.
Thank you. You get it. We're not assuming the rules of the world we live in. I'm just fantasizing a simple solution to a complex problem and pretending the problem would be solved ha. (Yes yes I know the problems continue...)
Yea, in the real world I guess we're stuck with these bastards. What a bunch of bastards!
sounds like the purge.
Are you talking about Rapture from BioShock?
*See Australia, Taiwan, U.S.A., Japan
Society used to exile people, send them to penal colonies or some people that felt ostracized packed up and left Society. Where? To some of the grea open uninhabited or not so habitatated lands. Taking U.S.A. as an example, there where religious extremists who became unwelcome in Britain, so they left to a place they could practice thier beliefs without competition, America.
Every Society worked better because you didn't need to imprison or kill people that where criminals and people that where ostracized somewhat had the option of making thier own land. Now every single piece of land is claimed there is nowhere to exile people and no where to just run to.
There is still Antarctica
Fair, can we start a Make Antarctica Great Agian and encourage some people to move to a "greener" pasture?
And see how that worked out
Unfortunately they're probably not stupid enough to all fuck off to Mars soon…
Oooh how I wish I could convince all those space obsessed oligarchs to expand civilization over there...
“Walkaways” is a good piece of fiction about this
Ooh interesting. Is it by Cory Doctorow?
I misread. Walkaways is about autonomous communities apart from capitalist society. They walk away from it. But the dangerous stuff isn’t part of the book. But it is a very good book.
Yes it is by Doctorow.
Walkaway by Cory Doctorow on the free libby app available from public libraries
https://share.libbyapp.com/title/3205253
I thought you said Autozone and I was excited that someone else was also enthusiastic about a do-it-yourself auto repair shop
Fuck it, I'll take an autonomous AutoZone!
How about a boat in international waters?
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Are we just Curtis Yarvin-posting now?
No I hate that guy. I don't want any part of this, I want the Yarvins to fuck off somewhere else
There is. It’s called Detroit.
Westworld explored that idea. It doesn't end well.
I'm not saying it would end well, in fact I know it would be a disaster lol. I stopped watching Westworld after two seasons and was trying to come up with a joke about how it doesn't end well...it jumped the shark or some corny joke ha. Anyway did the show actually have a conclusion and is it worth watching to the end?
It ended up on a cliffhanger. If season 2 made you give up then the rest will likely not be your cup of tea either.
Afghanistan exists. See how well that idea has worked out
That sounds like you want to deport people
I think I should clarify that I have no interest in participating in this zone. The reality is we live in a world of monsters and I unrealistically wish there was somewhere else they could go and do their evil and leave us be.
So........ a libertarian Micronation ??
But even less based in reality!
If you were to write an isekai anime for this, it seems like this might be wildly popular in a The Boys kind of way
I unironically want this for everyone. You want to help give communism another shot? Welcome to our home, comrade. You think the DOT, DOE, and FDA are infringing on your rights? Freedom is just a plane ride away. You dream of theocracy? Your wish is granted, by his hand. A streamlined process for balanced legal migration would also be great.
It's called "International Waters" and we need to ship them all there. If we want to be generous we can give them rowboats.