Sony calls Tencent game ‘slavish clone’ of Horizon in new lawsuit
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Whaaaat? A Chinese company making a knock-off of another product? You don't say.
"Why don't China care about western patents and copyright?"
You're citing examples from the 6th, 4th, and 18th centuries and arguably the last one isn't even about intellectual property
Even ignoring the blatant "what aboutism" if your justification for why it's ok to steal video game ideas is because some Byzantians were mean to you 1400 years ago just know that nobody is going to take you seriously
If you think that historical context doesnt inform culture, you must be an American, in possession of neither.
So, you're saying that it is the Chinese culture to steal from others because they were stolen from? That sounds racist as hell.
No, but this might shock you, other countries have different definitions of what theft is. Theft is taking something from someone.
The funny part being that it is literally enshrined in American law that game mechanics can't be copyrighted, so its not even in the definition of theft in America either.
Game mechanics can be Patented in the US, just look at the Nemesis system.
Also, just because a country decides that their definition of a thing is different than everyone else's, doesn't make it correct. Just look at Russia, they have so many different forms of lying to justify lying in everyday life, but that doesn't make corruption OK.
On top of that, you were the one who defended this fairly blatant plagiarism by pointing to examples of theft.
I mean... this guy does have a point.
Good ole "what aboutism"
We used to just call that "pointing out hypocrisy" before Americans found a thought terminating phrase for it
No, pointing out hypocrisy would be going "hey, didn't you also blatantly rip off a popular product? Isn't it hypocritical for you to criticize them for something you also have done?" What Aboutism is defined as: "the rhetorical practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether. Whataboutism often serves to reduce the perceived plausibility or seriousness of the original accusation or question by suggesting that the person advancing it is hypocritical or that the responder’s misbehavior is not unique or unprecedented." https://www.britannica.com/topic/whataboutism
And, as always, it is in the sealion's power to determine what is the same, and what is "different but related".
Arf arf arf
It's not redirecting the conversation to respond to your statement that whataboutism is when the hypocrisy is "unrelated". Which conveniently lets you decide what is related or unrelated.
Do you not consider Russians human?
Only US is allowed to invade other countries and steal what it wants
What are you talking about? Is this a bot?
"Issues with westerners" is an odd choice given that I'm Irish but ok.
It's not my job to comfort American fragility. Genocide enablers are fair targets in all situations.
So what's your issue with people going after China? After all it's fair game because China is also a genocide enabler.
I have no issue with people going after China. I'm not a hexbear/ml stooge. It is possible for two things to be bad. It is possible for something about a bad entity to be neutral or at least unsurprising. Which is how I would describe China's lack of real interest in engaging with, from their perspective, the global order's new fad interest in intellectual property rights.
Then you should've made that argument instead of arguing that it's justified because centuries ago something was stolen from them.
But I'm not sure how you got the impression China has no interest in engaging with the IP rights when last year they filed more IPs than anyone else in the world.
So, wait, Namco are Genocide enablers? Since when?
Also, my guy, I've met plenty of Tankies in my life, it's not uncommon to see a westerner that hates westerners.
So many bots nowadays on Reddit. I won't be surprised we have bots here
Horizon Zero Dawn:
Light of Motiram:
Ooh yeah that’s a bit much.
Games are gonna copy major mechanics. Look at all the BOTW clones that came out after Breath of the Wild was successful. But you have to put a liiiittle effort into mixing up the art style and color palette.
To be fair, there have been a few great Chinese AAA games lately. And the Chinese are far from the only ones who steal IP
Surprised they didn't call it Light of Noziroh.
Wow! I didn't realize Sony invented sweeping vistas and giant creatures.
I think it's because of the colors used, visual theme, mecha nature of the enemies, and character design of the protagonists - too many direct similarities to argue it's just inspiration.
I am a huge fan of the original. It did not take long for the trailer to seem like a Horizon game, and then it was clear it was a watered down ripoff. Agreed the similarities are way too obvious.
In the trailer there's clearly some new things and different creatures Horizon doesn't have, but the stylistic nature of it all is so damn similar.
They might have been able to get away with it if they didn't use giant mechanical creatures. That's pretty distinct.
Eh, it's unique but I don't think that should give Sony the right to use the exclusively (looking at you Nintendo and Pokemon)
You could have the exact same game but with fleshy dinosaurs and all of a sudden it's not a problem? And then a third company can come out with another copy with fleshy dinosaurs and there's no issue because fleshy dinosaurs aren't unique.
It’s not that they used animal mechs. It’s that the style of the mechs are very close to that of Horizon. Sony has copyright on the design, not on the idea.
Oh wow that is A LOT more similar than I was thinking.
Loved Horizon, so I clicked on an open world gameplay trailer and it's just survivalslop, fiddling with some shit-producing hovels to get them upgraded to shit+1-producing hovels and hitting trees until they're planks.
i don't give a shit? doom had like a thousand clones; guess what, doom is still a household name and most of the clones are long forgotten. some good ones made their own name and following.
unless there's outright stolen assets or code, or they're using a deliberately confusing name, i don't care. if it's a slavish clone as you say, there's nothing to worry about.
it would be one thing if horizon was this underdog game made by a couple people and has largely gone under the radar then yeah it would suck. but fuck me no one's mistaking another game for horizon zero dawn.
DOOM clones weren't literal clones called HELL where you play as the Hell Man killing demons with the Large Heckin' Pistol.
Yeah they were called CHEX QUEST and it was awesome.
Chex Quest was officially licensed.
I mean... I feel like there were games exactly like this
Painkiller is that you?
i don't think you're remembering things well or maybe you played the popular ones. there was a bunch of doom clones that barely tried to be something different. lots of w3d clones too. also this game isn't called Orion: Null sunrise so your "HELL" example is a bit unwarranted.
this is coming from the genius who doesn't get how name similarity is relevant in IP disputes... it's not about being exact, Einstein, that's a very specific issue that this game doesn't engage in.
i said unwarranted, you illiterate buffoon.
You're right. Us, the consumers, will only ever benefit from more competition for our money. Also, the people who wanted to buy Horizon already did, if they like the theme and playstyle they may also buy this other one, but it's not like Horizon is losing buyers on this.
I mostly agree. And honestly, maybe one of these games will be more interesting if there’s some competition.
EDIT Horizon vs Z.O.I.D.S. Just saying.
That is Aldi levels of copying right there.
i hope this is a compliment because i love Aldi's take on foods
I like the idea that they approached Sony about making a Horizon game but Sony said no and they were like "Oh, well, this game is coming out..
They’re mad because they wanted to do that first by releasing Ubisoft style annual instalments.
Sony is that petty.
Sony is suing a game dev because their name is "Naughty Cat" which, according to Sony , infringes on Sony studio "Naughty Dog."