Alternatively; crime is hot AF and the only way I've ever gotten laid.
Edit: doing sexy crimes that got people to momemtarily ignore the red flags. Not sex crimes. Not sex crimes at the time; we'll see what counts by winter.
Straight women probably commit way more crime but get away with it more frequently. I know I do. Also where are the bi criminals? Are there none? Did we just solve crime?
That’s silly, imagining that people exist on a spectrum. Don’t you know everything in life is black and white, either or, binary?
The Kinsey scale only contains 0 and 6 for a reason. If there were any numbers between 0 and 6, people might think the world was complex and nuanced or something.
You see, because bi people are a myth as far as the authorities are concerned, when a crime is committed they’re classified as straight men or lesbian women, but when they don’t commit crime they’re gay men and straight women.
In some contexts there's no doubt you have a point, but liberal western cities I suspect that has no more impact than, say, the tendency of women to underreport domestic and sexual violence. Anyway I would imagine that a bigger factor is criminal perpetrators underreporting their own gayness
And i imagine a lot of gay men have the attitude that if they report intimate partner violence it will come back to hurt them in one way or another.
I know as a trans woman if I were to report violence from a cis woman I'd likely be reframed as the perpetrator and if I were to report violence from a trans woman it would be framed as "trans woman commits violent crime" and used to hurt me.
Interesting because there's a very old gay stereotype that they're extremely violent. These days, it's usually that gay men are effeminate and passive, and I think a lot of people don't even realize this stereotype existed.
Baron Harkonnen and Scar (The Lion King) are examples.
Disney never comes right out and says these things about their cartoons. Ursula is based directly on the drag artist Divine, but you won't catch a Disney executive admitting that.
Ursula is pretty easy to understand, because that’s so 1:1 with Divine and there are direct confirmations.
With Scar one of the supervising animators, Andreas Deja, is openly gay (now, not at the time because it was the 90s) and has spoken about adding campiness and other gay influence to his work.
With other examples it’s a bit more difficult, because to understand it you need to understand how the Hays Code affected the portrayal of queer people on screen. The short version is that queer people weren’t allowed to be overtly portrayed at all, so any characters with queer coded behavior (by 30s to 60s standards) wound up as villains. As this becomes more entrenched in media, these mannerisms became shorthand for villain, so by the time the 90s rolls around the people referencing these tropes might not be familiar with their origin.
For the long version, see the documentary The Celluloid Closet.
Out of curiosity, did you copy the link from someone else’s comment on another instance? I’ve literally never seen a Blahaj comment get caught by a censor filter for anything, much less a .com
The Baron Harkonnen example is interesting because the author was admittedly homophobic when he wrote the character, but later regretted the choice after making amends with his gay son.
I'd definitely believe the top two. My oldest sister seems to only date dudes that end up beating her, but my other sister has been put in the hospital by every woman she's dated. I know it's slim pickings, and rural Midwest lesbians have a lot to be mad about, but stop taking it out on each other! There are more deserving targets.
As a bi trans woman, I've definitely noticed similar trends between straight guys and lesbian women. And for anybody wondering, in my experience, lesbian trans women are equally as abusive as cis lesbian women, and straight trans men equally as predatory as cis straight men.
I was saying that it may be the community culture or the household culture. Like some places have the Macho culture where a man can never be wrong and the woman has to support him no matter what, accept him even if he beats you because honey he actually loves you.
By genetics I meant if your family had a history of being attracted to abusive partners.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but your initial comment was phrased in such a way as to dog-whistle racist eugenics talking points, in case you're wondering why people are hostile here. As for your last sentence I don't believe genetics works like that, which contributes to why you're giving off vaguely dog-whistle-y vibes.
Because maybe the personality type you've inherited through genes predisposes you to be attracted to abusive partners. Maybe his/her whole family has similar preferences. Maybe it's a taught thing. Abused children are more likely to be abusers and such.
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Hi, phase read the rest of my comments in this thread to understand what I failed to convey in that comment. I wasn't trying to say that certain peoples are inferior. I was asking of there was a family history for such disposition.
that would make it quite hard to get reliable information on the perpetrators' actual sexuality orientation outside of situations where the victim personally knows them
Its a survey specifically of intimate partner violence, so it's all situations where the victim knows the perpetrator. (Again,assuming the data is from the source I think it is).
Is it? I'm don't feel informed enough to be sure of the answer and I don't think that finding out one way or another would be problematic. It's a genuinely interesting question from a scientific perspective that follows on from OP's chart.
This morning I drove to the post office going 38 mph when the speed limit is 35. Last week I checked my phone at the social security office when the guard was distracted. Next week, who knows what depravity I may commit.
I support the message, but sure would like more info on the y axis: what exactly are 4 points of violent delinquency? How does that compare to 6, or 1?
A love for women is the biggest risk factor for violent crime.
Alternatively, the qualities that make you lust after women tend to lead to more violent crimes.
Alternatively; crime is hot AF and the only way I've ever gotten laid.
Edit: doing sexy crimes that got people to momemtarily ignore the red flags. Not sex crimes. Not sex crimes at the time; we'll see what counts by winter.
This comment is fucking hilarious. Just imagining you writing this and then realising the implications is peak hahahaha
You're welcome.
There it is.
love would be different from lust, lusting is probably the leading to the crimes, or in some case severe infatuation.
Straight women probably commit way more crime but get away with it more frequently. I know I do. Also where are the bi criminals? Are there none? Did we just solve crime?
That’s silly, imagining that people exist on a spectrum. Don’t you know everything in life is black and white, either or, binary?
The Kinsey scale only contains 0 and 6 for a reason. If there were any numbers between 0 and 6, people might think the world was complex and nuanced or something.
I always forget which one is 6 and then guess wrong.
Psst, we’re using our invisibility to leave no trace while committing crime
Now playing Die Antwoord - Enter the Ninja
This is a nice deep cut.
Bi people are too emotionally fulfilled to want to crime
I'm supposed to be emotionally fulfilled?
Yeah didn't you install the latest updates yet? Since, like, patch 14.7.3, you should have a permanent sense of mild satisfaction.
Wtf I'm on 16.8.2W and I never got that feature.
Is it a hidden toggle somewhere?
Ah yeah, you'll need to have a low-key buzz on for it to apply, and social anxiety kinda nerfs it
That's the neat part, we aren't.
👉 finger guns 👉
You see, because bi people are a myth as far as the authorities are concerned, when a crime is committed they’re classified as straight men or lesbian women, but when they don’t commit crime they’re gay men and straight women.
Being bisexual is the perfect crime. /$
"Be gay, do crime" is only relevant to women.
No we're just better at it.
Better at being caught
Better at talking about it without implicating ones self?
Who's to say gay men don't do more white collar crime?
I jaywalk a lot, but they decriminalized it lately
kinda ghoulish to post in a thread full of people sharing their domestic abuse stories
I was here first.
still ghoulish
So they need to police their own comments and delete them if someone posts something after they do?
In some contexts there's no doubt you have a point, but liberal western cities I suspect that has no more impact than, say, the tendency of women to underreport domestic and sexual violence. Anyway I would imagine that a bigger factor is criminal perpetrators underreporting their own gayness
I was about to say the same thing. Women will report violence from women, men are going to be less inclined to.
And i imagine a lot of gay men have the attitude that if they report intimate partner violence it will come back to hurt them in one way or another.
I know as a trans woman if I were to report violence from a cis woman I'd likely be reframed as the perpetrator and if I were to report violence from a trans woman it would be framed as "trans woman commits violent crime" and used to hurt me.
Interesting because there's a very old gay stereotype that they're extremely violent. These days, it's usually that gay men are effeminate and passive, and I think a lot of people don't even realize this stereotype existed.
Baron Harkonnen and Scar (The Lion King) are examples.
Jafar. i don't think these characters often represent violent crime though. more often just deviousness
Examples of that older stereotype, you mean?
I'd never have guessed Scar were gay.
Disney never comes right out and says these things about their cartoons. Ursula is based directly on the drag artist Divine, but you won't catch a Disney executive admitting that.
But yes, Scar is basically the gay uncle.
Not doubting, but can I read someone's commentary that explains this more?
https://time.com/6282514/little-mermaid-ursula-drag-queen-divine/
Ursula is pretty easy to understand, because that’s so 1:1 with Divine and there are direct confirmations.
With Scar one of the supervising animators, Andreas Deja, is openly gay (now, not at the time because it was the 90s) and has spoken about adding campiness and other gay influence to his work.
With other examples it’s a bit more difficult, because to understand it you need to understand how the Hays Code affected the portrayal of queer people on screen. The short version is that queer people weren’t allowed to be overtly portrayed at all, so any characters with queer coded behavior (by 30s to 60s standards) wound up as villains. As this becomes more entrenched in media, these mannerisms became shorthand for villain, so by the time the 90s rolls around the people referencing these tropes might not be familiar with their origin.
For the long version, see the documentary The Celluloid Closet.
Thank you!
I have done the web search for you. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.*removed*/2014/11/gender-representation-in-lion-king.html
What the heck why is my link being censored?
There should be a.com where it says removedSee my comment farther downOut of curiosity, did you copy the link from someone else’s comment on another instance? I’ve literally never seen a Blahaj comment get caught by a censor filter for anything, much less a .com
Turns out there's a spam filter on blogspot links because spam bots very frequently send links to them
Thanks. I wanted a trustworthy source from someone knowledgeable, not whatever slop pops up when I google "is scar gay" 😁
The stage musical version tried to no-homo him
.... By turning him into an attempted rapist instead.
Captain Hook, evil dandy trope.
The Baron Harkonnen example is interesting because the author was admittedly homophobic when he wrote the character, but later regretted the choice after making amends with his gay son.
I'd definitely believe the top two. My oldest sister seems to only date dudes that end up beating her, but my other sister has been put in the hospital by every woman she's dated. I know it's slim pickings, and rural Midwest lesbians have a lot to be mad about, but stop taking it out on each other! There are more deserving targets.
Jesus, I'd take a vow of celibacy at that point.
As a bi trans woman, I've definitely noticed similar trends between straight guys and lesbian women. And for anybody wondering, in my experience, lesbian trans women are equally as abusive as cis lesbian women, and straight trans men equally as predatory as cis straight men.
I'm getting the sense that the situation with your sisters is less whatever this thread is about and more genetics & culture.
What's your situation like?
Whatcha trying to say there?
Literal racist garbage.
Yeah I just wanted the coward to own up to it.
I was saying that it may be the community culture or the household culture. Like some places have the Macho culture where a man can never be wrong and the woman has to support him no matter what, accept him even if he beats you because honey he actually loves you.
By genetics I meant if your family had a history of being attracted to abusive partners.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but your initial comment was phrased in such a way as to dog-whistle racist eugenics talking points, in case you're wondering why people are hostile here. As for your last sentence I don't believe genetics works like that, which contributes to why you're giving off vaguely dog-whistle-y vibes.
Yeah, that's fair.
How is getting beaten fucking genetic
Because maybe the personality type you've inherited through genes predisposes you to be attracted to abusive partners. Maybe his/her whole family has similar preferences. Maybe it's a taught thing. Abused children are more likely to be abusers and such.
I'm kinda on his side, saying genes make you get beat is actually crazy. You have no idea how anything works.
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Hi, phase read the rest of my comments in this thread to understand what I failed to convey in that comment. I wasn't trying to say that certain peoples are inferior. I was asking of there was a family history for such disposition.
et’s go esbians!
👏°👏°👏👏👏
I hate the datamancer of this chart- if you have 'heterosexual men/women' the other bars should be labelled 'homosexual men/women'
And listing them alphabetically instead of by grouping or delinquency is also mildly irksome.
Commit or get convicted of (hint: its impossible to measure crimes commited)
Assuming this is from the NISVS, it is a self-reported victim survey.
that would make it quite hard to get reliable information on the perpetrators' actual sexuality orientation outside of situations where the victim personally knows them
Its a survey specifically of intimate partner violence, so it's all situations where the victim knows the perpetrator. (Again,assuming the data is from the source I think it is).
So even worse
I guess bisexuals do literally 0 crime.
No they do the sum of all crimes! Dark lords! 😂
Bisexuals do 10% more damage to everyone ;3
A school friend of mine was shot in the back of the head by her lesbian lover a year after we graduated high school.
Jesus fucking Christ
Fatally?
Indeed
Sorry for your loss.
Damn. Sorry for your loss.
No, it felt like a Brain hug
Killed by her lesbian needs to be on her tombstone
Is there any average differences in hormones between gay and straight people of the same gender?
what a weird comment to make
Is it? I'm don't feel informed enough to be sure of the answer and I don't think that finding out one way or another would be problematic. It's a genuinely interesting question from a scientific perspective that follows on from OP's chart.
come on brothers. be gay do crime!
This morning I drove to the post office going 38 mph when the speed limit is 35. Last week I checked my phone at the social security office when the guard was distracted. Next week, who knows what depravity I may commit.
That's it, I'm calling the cops on you, you are a menace!
I only do white collar crimes.
Them: "Are you just just going to bend over and take that?!?"
Me:
We can pump these numbers up
I support the message, but sure would like more info on the y axis: what exactly are 4 points of violent delinquency? How does that compare to 6, or 1?
These are rookie numbers. Come on gays, we can do better.
I also wonder how many women go unreported for violence against men.
fairly common for violence against women to also go unreported
*acided.