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A tldr due to it being in Finnish:

  • Finland was in 15th place in 2014
  • ~1.2 million have over 30 BMI in Finland
  • ~1.2 million have fatty liver, 800k some type of sleep apnea, 500k type 2 diabetes
  • Processed foods and sweets getting more popular are blamed as the reason for this
  • Some experts and doctors recommend a higher taxes on these products, especially sweets (a higher candy tax was supposed to happen this year, but it was lobbied by companies not to); soft drink tax is still planned to get higher this year.
  • Some mentions at the end about Pohjois-Karjala(North Karelia) project. Old project that was done to reduce heart and lung diseases occuring in that municipality by teaching how to reduce salt/fat/smoking. Something similar could be done now in whole Finland
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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Because as long as you're satiated at a decent calorie level and have a good balance of nutrients, it doesn't matter too much what you eat

Food such as pasta or pizza isn't objectively bad for you. I wonder if people think that because they associate it with being tasty, and think that anything tasty must be bad

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anomnomreply
sh.itjust.works

Or because here in the US, pasta is served by the wheelbarrow load at crappy “Italian” restaurants, and soaked in either butter sauce, meat sauce or both. Pizza has gotten so cheesy that you have to ask for light cheese to get what they used to put on it when I was a kid.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Don't forget that tons of pizza here has a whole bunch of sugar added to the tomato sauce. Shit is gross!

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Madziellereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

It blows my mind how much sugar is in tomato sauce here. I've seen anywhere from 3-7 grams of sugar per half cup serving on the jars at the grocery store.

I never put sugar in my tomato sauce I make at home. I don't get it.

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The bummer is that like most things sensory, our perception of how sweet it is depends massively on how sweet everything else we eat is. So for folks in the US who just grow up eating all of these over sweetened products it seems normal and less sweet products taste bland in a way most consumers can't easily identify.

As for how we got here, this is how it seems to me:

Food marketers learned that if you take two identical food products, and add a small amount of sugar to one, most consumers will prefer the sweeter one even if they don't identify it as "I like this one cuz it's a little sweeter". Our brains are just super primed to subconsciously reach for calorie dense foods, and sweetness says "there's energy here".

Think of a basic item like bread or tomato sauce - no sugar initially, they aren't sweets after all. Imagine some brands take that tactic and add a little sugar - the others who don't slowly lose market share until they either fade to irrelevance or add sugar too - well, now that's the new perceived normal. Later, to stand out, someone bumps it again. Consumers start preferring that new slightly sweeter product - rinse and repeat for a few decades across basically all of our food products (plus guzzling soda, another topic), and eventually you have a country full of outrageously sugary foods that taste "normal" to most folks.

It's sad and it's actually really challenging to reset one's palate. I've done it, for like 30+ days, ate only things that had zero added sweeteners of any kind, artificial or otherwise. It's expensive and time-consuming here but before long, even certain raw veggies like carrots start to taste unmistakably sweet. Corn on the cob becomes almost a dessert. And then, now habituated to a much more normal level of sweetness, processed foods taste like the poison they are. But to do that consistently here in the US and keep that normal degree of sensitivity, it requires a dogmatic level of dedication, never going out to eat at all, etc.

So like most things, the population here got manipulated in subtle ways into slowly changing their preferences, without any real coordination or intent by the manipulators beyond "doing a little bit of this bad thing outperforms our competition", and rinse and repeat until we're all deranged and don't even realize it.

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anomnomreply
sh.itjust.works

Oh yeah, we usually go for store brand for most items but I made the mistake of getting store brand pizza sauce a couple months ago and it was disgustingly sweet. There’s a regional brand that’s really good but only a bit more and completely worth it.

Also pizza was my Covid recipe project. I’ve got a 20 minute dough recipe down and can have pizza ready from scratch in about 35 minutes.

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Pasta has a low calory density. Pizza a bit more because of the cheese. You can eat pasta everyday and stay lean as long as you don't put too much fat on it.

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

yeah that's nonsense, carbs are great

like, the alternative is only eating protein and fat, which.. blergh

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fedia.io

Y'all carb-opinionated people get down on a big powwow and decide what's what, then please let me know kindly.

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

It's very very simple: vegetables have carbs, you need vegetables (only way to get fibre, which is very important to gut health), thus the idea that carbs are bad is complete and utter lunacy. Even obligate carnivores will eat plant matter from time to time.

In general if someone tries to tell you a nutrient is objectively bad and can never be good or even acceptable, they're delusional and/or trying to sell you something.
Sugar is the nutrient that is closest to being Bad, but there's still nuance because it's only bad if you eat large amounts of it and don't burn the calories. People doing the Tour De France will literally suck on bags of sugar gel because they need pure energy that goes directly into their bloodstream.

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Ok, let's get into my social circle lunacy: one of my neighbors easily weighted like two grown men. Then he claims that through eating a protein-only diet, he halved that (one grown man weight unit).

He definitely looks much better, though I know people should eat their veggies, I can't argue that his approach towards getting skinnier is not working.

He'll eat a big boy's steak and then leave everything else: tatoes, veggies, rice, bread, etc. Ah, and he is still drinking coke (light, zero) as if it is the source of his lifeforce.

I'm still thinking that can't be healthy, but he does look healthier in comparison to morbidly obese.

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jetreply
hackertalks.com

Carbohydrates are unnecessary for human health, and while they can be a amazingly huge factor they are not the only factor in obesity.

  • Industrial oils
  • Processed Ingredients
  • Agrochemical contamination of grains

So a Italian dish made in Italy with real olive oil, with organic food not contaminated by pesticides, and not ultra processed could tolerated by a healthy person.

I'm not justifying carbohydrates, just illustrating that there are many overlapping negative factors working against people on the standard western diet.

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

all vegetables contain carbs, and you need vegetables to be healthy, thus you need carbs.

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you need vegetables to be healthy

My reading of the available literature doesn't reach the same conclusion. The Mongols, the Inuit, the Masai are examples of populations that were healthy without any carbohydrates.

I'll agree that vegetables can be part of a healthy lifestyle, but they are not necessary

Edit: Ah, downvoting everything I've posted concerning food in the last 15 days. A tirade of negativity doesn't really communicate the strength of your position.

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Had no problems translating it with one click using an extension for my browser

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xepreply
fedia.io

Hard to do that when you're hungry. Blaming the victim increases shame/guilt/stress and makes it worse, since that causes hormone production that result in weight gain. Working on a sustainable way to lose weight such as by reducing known obesogens is much more constructive.

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RaivoKullireply
sopuli.xyz

People aren't getting fat by just eating for hunger but for overeating.

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xepreply

Would you know why they over-eat? It's not mentioned in the article.

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