Is there actually any biologic mechanism to generat and conduct electricity at a high enough voltage and current that it can ionize air over a distance as large as that (looks like at least 1/2m) without damaging the actual animal doing it?
Looking around, electric eels can do 860V, which is well short from the 15kV needed to gap 0.5m of air at sea level, plus that animal's skin would need to be crazy insulating for all that power to not just go down the most highly conductive way possible (all the nice conductive water all the way down to the ground contained in the animal itself) instead of having to ionize 0.5m or air.
I mean, we can always claim it was possible but lost, but then again we can also claim that for magic or animal teleportation.
Is there actually any biologic mechanism to generat and conduct electricity at a high enough voltage and current that it can ionize air over a distance as large as that (looks like at least 1/2m) without damaging the actual animal doing it?
The force dude. Its pretty obvious the t-rex is a sith lord.
It’s actually not ionizing the air. It’s spraying a conductive gel that the electricity rides to the prey. That’s why it’s important to hold it down to the ground to make sure it has good contact with the earth.
Is there actually any biologic mechanism to generat and conduct electricity at a high enough voltage and current that it can ionize air over a distance as large as that (looks like at least 1/2m) without damaging the actual animal doing it?
Midichlorians. The ability to cause an extinction level event is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
Pure water is a terrible conductor, but water with dissolved ions is a pretty good conductor, and that's mostly (maybe always, since things like Sodium an Potassium ions tend to be pretty important in various processes, though IANAB so maybe there are exceptions) the water inside living beings.
More like an ok conductor, but yea that's what I meant with the blood (and whatever other ways water exists in our body). Though even pure water is more conductive than air by orders or magnitude.
On the one hand you are right, on the other hand, especially paleontology is basing their facts on very, very shaky evidence and a massive amount of extrapolation.
So I assume that it’s wrong until undeniably proven otherwise by the scientific method.
So you assume everything is wrong? Because in fact, that's not how the scientific method works at all.
Outside of the very few fields that are pure and untouched by reality, like e.g. maths, there are no proofs, and certainly no undeniable proofs in science. Everything is "just" a theory and is used until proven wrong or otherwise refined. Usually a theory with a decent amount of evidence, but nothing is proven beyond deniability in science. That's religion you are thinking about.
Doesn't this also result in archaeologists saying everything was for spiritual reasons or that we don't know what it was for? Like sure, I don't know exactly how it was used but I can take a pretty good guess! This isn't even limited to dildos either.
One of my favorite stories about this was from an archeological investigation in housing where they found several homes where knives had been stored in the rafters of the house and all of the men in charge we debating on the religious explanations about how weapons and knives would have had to have been reveared to have been stored so high in the home. One of the female grad students walked in and looked at them all like they were idiots and said it was to keep them away from the children. There are no records of what the men had said in reaction.
This is why stegosaurus should have waited for backup from the council before trying to arrest T. Rex.
It is very pleasing to know I wasn't alone in this thought.
Why didn't the stegosaurus fire when it feared for its life??
Uhh, about 83 million years separated these two species.
T-Rex had only 2 fingers. This shows three, so this is likely a really fat Allosaurus
It’s a lesser known relative Datassosaurus which was a thicker allosaur
I love learning about new dinosaurs!!
Are you suggesting that time magic is real? The thought had crossed my mind too, but I dared not to speak of it.
That's a helluva grudge
Best comment on lemmy today.
" Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence"
But honestly, I think this is intuitive and reasonable so I accept it as factual.
That checks out.
“When you don’t have any data you have to use reason.” - Richard Feynman, some guy who watch science shows a lot
"Door donot" - Yoda, talking fast
There is overwhelming evidence that this didn't happen in the Jurassic era: Stegosaurs had been extinct for tens of millions of years at that point.
The theropods ("possibly") electrocuted contemporary dinosaurs, not dinosaurs that had gone extinct 100 million years earlier.
Yes, but there's zero evidence the dinosaurs didn't have time machines.
There will be if they decide to invade our era tomorrow
You were't there man, you didn't see what I saw!
Technically incorrect. There are no feathers.
Is there actually any biologic mechanism to generat and conduct electricity at a high enough voltage and current that it can ionize air over a distance as large as that (looks like at least 1/2m) without damaging the actual animal doing it?
Looking around, electric eels can do 860V, which is well short from the 15kV needed to gap 0.5m of air at sea level, plus that animal's skin would need to be crazy insulating for all that power to not just go down the most highly conductive way possible (all the nice conductive water all the way down to the ground contained in the animal itself) instead of having to ionize 0.5m or air.
I mean, we can always claim it was possible but lost, but then again we can also claim that for magic or animal teleportation.
The force dude. Its pretty obvious the t-rex is a sith lord.
T-Sidious Rex!
Darth Tyrannosaurus.
It’s actually not ionizing the air. It’s spraying a conductive gel that the electricity rides to the prey. That’s why it’s important to hold it down to the ground to make sure it has good contact with the earth.
Uuh, nice - that sounds like it would work.
Midichlorians. The ability to cause an extinction level event is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
There’s no evidence that there’s not
Just out of pedantry: Water has terrible conductivity. Blood is less terrible though and in any case air is far worse than either, so point stands.
We can get past that particular issue if the electric dinosaur was jumping such that its victim has the shortest air gap
Pure water is a terrible conductor, but water with dissolved ions is a pretty good conductor, and that's mostly (maybe always, since things like Sodium an Potassium ions tend to be pretty important in various processes, though IANAB so maybe there are exceptions) the water inside living beings.
More like an ok conductor, but yea that's what I meant with the blood (and whatever other ways water exists in our body). Though even pure water is more conductive than air by orders or magnitude.
Well, once you ionize it air is a great conductor ;)
Jurassic Sith
"There is no evidence that this didn't happen."
This line of reasoning is the same way religions "argue".
There is also no evidence that this did happen.
So I assume that it's wrong until undeniably proven otherwise by the scientific method.
I believe you have explained the joke.
Somebody find a grand jury to indict this sandwich!
On the one hand you are right, on the other hand, especially paleontology is basing their facts on very, very shaky evidence and a massive amount of extrapolation.
So you assume everything is wrong? Because in fact, that's not how the scientific method works at all.
Outside of the very few fields that are pure and untouched by reality, like e.g. maths, there are no proofs, and certainly no undeniable proofs in science. Everything is "just" a theory and is used until proven wrong or otherwise refined. Usually a theory with a decent amount of evidence, but nothing is proven beyond deniability in science. That's religion you are thinking about.
Doesn't this also result in archaeologists saying everything was for spiritual reasons or that we don't know what it was for? Like sure, I don't know exactly how it was used but I can take a pretty good guess! This isn't even limited to dildos either.
One of my favorite stories about this was from an archeological investigation in housing where they found several homes where knives had been stored in the rafters of the house and all of the men in charge we debating on the religious explanations about how weapons and knives would have had to have been reveared to have been stored so high in the home. One of the female grad students walked in and looked at them all like they were idiots and said it was to keep them away from the children. There are no records of what the men had said in reaction.
Huh. I don't quite remember this Nasreddin Hoca story growing up, but I'm sure the snake says something really clever
But we aren't completely sure
Sorry we all know the thunder lizard is brontosaurus, and thunder comes from lighting that's just good science
We don’t know that they developed space travel and left Earth either.
Karl Popper's falsifiability says we only need to prove this didn't happen once.
Your move, denialists.
Those flatearth weirdos would rather admit that the Earth is hollow than that it's a normal (albeit flawed) full sphere.
Creationism be like:
I AM THE PARK!
Is this slop or just sloppy? What's with the little green arm behind the lightning and the weird meaty stego neck?
ai slop
Used science to make a meme, people upset. Repost someone else's content, happy. I see a lot of depression in our futures.
depression is looking at this soulless drawing and not throwing up