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AOC says Trump's Iran strikes "clearly grounds for impeachment"

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is "absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment."

Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president's action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, "The President's disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment."

On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump's side and wrote on X, "As I've long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I'm grateful for and salute the finest military in the world."

AOC says Trump's Iran strikes "clearly grounds for impeachment"https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-trumps-iran-strikes-clearly-grounds-impeachment-2088887Open linkView original on lemmy.world

Naw, you can also just be rich and an asshole. Brain damage is easier to get though

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Omegareply
lemmy.world

Boomers and Gen X suffer permanent brain damage due to lead poisoning that directly correlates to their radicalized views.

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Considering that studies have shown that conservatives have smaller regions of the brain than normal in the areas that are attributed to things like empathy and compassion - yes, yes there is.

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msproutreply
lemmy.world

I hope he gets out of politics and gets treatment. I grew up in Pittsburgh and just wince every time I see what he has become. He used to come out to parties in my social group! He was always a spoiled rich kid but this post-stroke John is something else.

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errerreply
lemmy.world

Nah fuck his treatment, just get him the fuck out of office. He’s way beyond the point where I care about his personal well-being anymore.

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msproutreply
lemmy.world

I'm saying this because John was at one time a friend to me. Genuinely I don't expect you to care about his well-being. I figured that the point of my comment was that he needs to step down immediately; I think people seem to think I'm asking you for sympathy.

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If we all do the work on ourselves, the world will look very different in a decade. If we all focus on healing, our earth can heal.

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Maybe at the level of the media game, sure, but you absolutely do care if there's one less crazy person in the world, we all do.

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lemmy.world

If literally anyone thinks "it's okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move"...

Then couldnt you just argue that "if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn't it have been easy to get congress to approve it?"

It's illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.

If it was so right, then approval would've been easy to get...?

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Trump fans would say he couldn't ask because they'd unfairly block him. And he's a decisive dynamic man who took initiative. Or something

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Mussolini got dragged through the streets and him and his gf’s lifeless corpses were hung upside down for all of Rome to see.

Weird fact. Not sure why I’m thinking of it

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There is an old quote -

"The plight of the oppressed ends with the oppressor. Mussolini found this to be true, as will others."

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Primed & ready, you mean? That part of my math education's a little hazy. 🙇🏼‍♂️

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J92reply
lemmy.world

It was Milan. Though I'm sure the people of Rome were more than welcome to go see his bespatted husk.

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Not at all.

I only remember because I recently watched that Ordinary Things video about him.

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lemmy.world

Franco died peacefully in his sleep at the age of 83, a fabulously rich celebrity who was officially mourned by the state for a month.

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lemmy.world

he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?

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Sc00terreply
lemmy.zip

If the senate actually has balls, they can remove him from office. Impeachment doesnt inherently carry consequences. The senate determines consequence

The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, "eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to... no punishment."

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msproutreply
lemmy.world

The older I get, the more I feel like the Senate is essentially the means through which corporations and the capital class defeat any popular movement. Our Constitution was written mostly by drunk, privileged, rich kids. I think sometimes you can really smell the disdain for lower classes in the way everything is built.

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sopuli.xyz

Can't believe I lived to see the fall of the Republic and rise of the TACO Triumvirate 🥹

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msproutreply
lemmy.world

I guess, but I am referring more to that there should only be a House of Representatives, and that the Senate serves no purpose other than to represent corporate interests and tamp down on popular sentiment.

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Devolutionreply
lemmy.world

And I’m saying that Ancient Rome only had a senate (no house or senate branches) and their corruption reached a point to where the ideal of a dictator was an improvement over the status quo.

Many Americans thought this. But the best they could come up with was Trump???

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No, the reason was Reds protecting their guy and refusing to hold him to account. Even if what you suggested were part of their motivation, the optics of Trump refusing accountability and literally being dragged out, hasn't been paying attention to the optics that Trump himself brings to the US and the GOP, specifically. It's a pretty shit justification.

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The moment they decide he's removed, he has no authority to stop them from removing him. Sec Serv wouldn't listen to him. He'd be an 80 year old man hiding behind a door.

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Well it's not like Congress is busy approving or funding a war. They've got time.

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IMO this is business as usual thinking.

The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.

And even if it doesn't pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.

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chiliedoggreply
lemmy.world

Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump's second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.

That's also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.

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lemmy.world

Only a rag would quote Fetterman and credit him as a Democrat. He doesn't act or believe what he did when he was elected as a Democrat, his perspective is irrelevant.

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InFerNoreply
lemmy.ml

I've watched Fetterman's 180 from across the pond. Don't really understand what happened and what made him flip.

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wpbreply
lemmy.world

So, I like this idea, and the recent expose indicates that the stroke has essentially rendered him non compis mentis, but do you really think the brain damage turned him conservative? Were there no red flags before? I genuinely don't know enough about the guy.

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There were definitely red flags before, it’s just that people ignored them because he was better than Dr. Oz. There’s a good Some More News video that goes into it.

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Stop spreading that. It's not true.
Fetterman was a shitty mayor before his current office. He chased after a blackman with a shotgun because the guy was simply jogging in his neighborhood. He vandalized local business in the middle of the night that he didn't like.

He firmly stated he was not progressive during his run for office. The Republicans labeled him a progressive librel to try and smear him. He was never progressive, ever. The stroke did not change his views. He is and always was a slimy politician .

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They took him into a room and said "hey, do you want a mountain of legal bribes? If not, we will primary you with that same mountain"

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Sorry but EU is neither a lapdog nor responsible for the disaster you voted for. We aren't really asking for much these days, either. Business is good and new deals with China are boosting the economy.

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lemmy.ml

Israel is quite literally the world’s biggest terrorist nation state. The paper thin transparent spin tactics of Israel’s defenders would be amusing if the results of its terrorism wasn’t so horrifying.

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I'm not sure it's Israel, but they and the USA are vying for that spot.

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lemm.ee

Keep screaming impeachment when clearly that doesn't work.....he belongs in jail ya know for being a 34 count felon rapist seditionous traitor.

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lemm.ee

Yes clearly.

America is a shit show. Americans have shown they are ok with this.

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Those with the authority to do their jobs and jail trump willfully abdicated their responsibility to do so. Yeah, there absolutely is a subset of this population aggressively driving us toward an oligarchy and authoritarian kleptocracy, but the majority of American citizens would prefer to see the law upheld. We don’t want a three-tiered legal system, the bottom jails first and throws away the key, the middle bleeds you dry with legal costs, and the top has no rules or consequences.

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Don't bunch us all up with the government. The government is ok with it being a shit show. Many voted against it. Many of us don't agree.

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Assuming the election wasn't hacked, yeah...

I have my doubts about the election (and I'm a big data engineer with a cyber security cert)

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This one might actually stick since the Republican party is split over this.

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traitor

Yeah, that's the problem with Trump, he's not a loyal patriot...

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Every day the Criminal in Chief commits impeachable crimes. Every. Day.

This is just the latest. But Congress is currently packed with illegitimate, undemocratically placed criminal cronies who face no accountability while shielding their criminal collaborators from accountability. So here we are.

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lemmy.ml

Impeachment is how you do that...

The house brings articles of impeachment, and term it's up to the Senate to decide whether or not the president should be convicted, and thus removed from office

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lemmy.world

There's another way, a more powerful way. But I don't think the U. S. people has the resolve to do what their founding fathers did.

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The US founding fathers never overthrew their leader. They just stopped answering the mail of a guy on the other side of the Atlantic.

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I don’t disagree that bombing Iran puts us at risk of starting a war we don’t want to be involved in. However I think the public is too split on the matter to put majority support behind impeachment.

Conservative circles themselves appear divided with some saying the display of force was necessary and avoided direct conflict (minimizing operational costs), some saying the President is authorized to conduct these actions under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and some voicing dissent or disapproval altogether of this action.

The War Powers Resolution will probably be the loophole that conservative outlets use to claim that Trump has done nothing wrong. I don’t know if there’s been an exercise of this authority without congressional approval that has lead to the targeted country declaring war as a result. If this were to happen, maybe there will be clear grounds to impeach, but I don’t think the public will display a majority support for it to happen.

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I agree that for practical purposes there is not the support for impeachment. But I do think that every unconstitutional thing he does should be called out with the simple but direct message that 'impeachment and removal is the only remedy to a corrupt and unconstitutional POTUS'. We should say that over and over and over so that takes on its own meaning and the public is ready for it when sentiment inevitably brings us to the point it is actually possible.

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lemmy.world

Like Obama's action against Libya? 🤔

Look, I don't like Trump either, but this is the same bullshit threat Republicans dropped when Obama was President.

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ORbituaryreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Agreed. Except Netanyahu, a genocidal prick pulling the puppet strings of the White House for years, didn't goad Obama into that. Obama made that terrible decision alone.

Trump is a manbaby who's easily manipulated.

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lemmy.world

We’d have to prove that Trump was inappropriately influenced by an outside power before I support impeachment. Even though my gut tells me he probably traded bombs for a bucket of fried chicken…

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manicluckyreply
lemmy.world

Really? Even though he blatantly defied the constitution and attacked a foreign state out of nowhere without approval? That isn't enough, he also needs to be stupid and easily manipulated (which he obviously is based on the mountains of evidence) before you want to hold him accountable?

Go fuck yourself.

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lemmy.world

I will go fuck myself. But let’s be fair. Clinton and Obama both dropped bombs(Obama did it theu drone strikes) on Iraq and other places like Yeman. Must be realistic about what “impeachable offenses” are and since “official acts” are off the table for presidential prosecution we should look to see if an act was “unofficial” i.e. illegal.

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manicluckyreply
lemmy.world

Fuck your red herring. They should've been punished too. Continue to go fuck yourself.

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Well, I truly believe Trump is evil and should be impeached and thrown of out office, I just don’t think it will be for this unless an inside can provide proof that Trump did it for reasons, “OTHER Than self defense”, it’s just too easy for our Presidents to say, “I felt like Iran was a threat that constituted an emergency and then decided to act in order to protect America.”.

Over all, we’ve just given the PResident far too much power.

And I agree with your previous statement, he should have had authorization from somewhere, like a defense subcommittee or joint congressional/bi-partisan panel. This is something we should probably fix for the future…

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

If Congress wants the power to declare war back they need to repeal the war powers act.

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sopuli.xyz

I'm a bit confused. Isn't the War Powers Act what gives congress the power to declare war, and the president can only do so if the US is DIRECTLY attacked? Someone more educated in US constitutional acts please correct me if I'm wrong, I know post-9/11 a lot of stuff got..."suspended in times of need".

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ryathalreply
sh.itjust.works

The war powers act makes it lawful for a president to take military action against any country, provided Congress is notified within 48 hours of that action. Then a president gets 60 days + 30 "withdrawal" to wage any war they want without congressional approval. Furthermore it's been ruled violations are basically irrelevant if troops are gone before the matter gets to the supreme court.

Clinton and Obama both violated this law with 0 consequences. Trump might also violate the law, but we won't know for 90 days.

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I see, thank you for the explanation! I only learned about it in school within the context of Nixon and Vietnam during history class.

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This is the right answer. Trump is absolutely a piece of garbage, and I think he was wrong for attacking Iran, but at this point I don't think he's broken any laws by attacking Iran.

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discuss.tchncs.de

Cool. So since she's a member of the house of representatives, she must have initiated proceedings for impeachment, right?

Edit: I am happy to see that she did (or rather joined in with Al's), and it served a useful purpose of highlighting what posers the rest of the Dems are with their resounding votes against.

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mfed1122reply
discuss.tchncs.de

Can you elaborate on why? Genuine question. It seems like if the alternative is also not getting what you want, then there isn't much to lose?

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lemmy.ca

One of like 1000 things he's done in the last few months that was either illegal, unconstitutional, "grounds for impeachment", or corrupt. 🥱

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lemmy.world

What are the 999 things he's done that are illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt or grounds for impeachment in the last few months?

Seriously, one would think with a file that big, collectivists would have reacted in some way, wouldn't they?

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lemmy.ca

Just an FYI, there is a tracker of current legal cases against the trump admin (over 280 right now), and this doesn't include much of the daily illegal stuff he does (like this recent attack on another country).

The tracker also doesn't cover stuff like his scam phone, scam crypto, scam <insert any of the stuff he's selling>, threats of annexation of other countries, using the white house to sell teslas, arresting people he dislikes, and so on.

There's probably more than a 1000, now that I think about it. And this is all just from the beginning of the year. If you include his previous term, you could easily add a few hundred more. 🫢

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I'm sure if I was paid enough to spend weeks compiling a list, I'd do it.

But what would that change for you? If you need more than the nearly 300 that are already filed in court (so far), then you probably won't be satisfied with a list of 1000, or 10,000.

Just observe the things he does, and ask yourself whether it's legal, unconstitutional, corrupt, or grounds for impeachment. You can add in unethical (but not illegal), if you like, but that would be like beating a dead horse.

For example, just a few hours ago, he posted about getting a "bum" out of office. That "bum"? A republican congressman who did not agree with the illegal act of bombing Iran. Firing someone for not agreeing with you breaking the law and oath to the constitution isn't how a democratic country operates.

You can find countless examples of this, on a daily basis.

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lemmy.world

Kendrick Lamar "It's not enough." I want him removed and charged for all the harm and civil rights violations and war crimes. No President has ever been held accountable, So you can start with him.

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Maevereply
midwest.social

Nixon was. They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia, but went with lying about adultery.

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wpbreply
lemmy.world

They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia

Why? Forgive my ignorance, balkan history is hard.

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Maevereply
midwest.social

He violated both UN and NATO charters, iirc. Imo, intervention was necessary, because the Serbs were ethnically cleansing the Croats and Muslims, and Western Europe was dragging feet, but he violated the law and badly mishandled the intervention.

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wpbreply
lemmy.world

I don't know for certain, but I think you might be mixing up Kosovo and Bosnia. Because I know he illegally (by international law) bombed Yugoslavia for the Kossovar Albanians (which some argue hastened and exacerbated the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians, which aligns quite well with the timeline, especially considering there was a concrete diplomatic alternatice proposed by both sides), but he got approval for this. Famously, Bernie Sanders voted in favor. So while it should earn him a trip to the Hague, he didn't violate any domestic laws that I'm aware of.

But again, Yugoslavia in the 90s is crazy complicated, and there's so much I don't know, so maybe I'm just completely wrong here.

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Maybe, I could have sworn it was Bosnia, and I can't really research it right now. I have a project to prepare for and settle into, my apologies if I'm wrong.

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lemmy.world

I like how they pretend if he is not the president it wouldn’t be the same. They lied about WMD in Iraq and went to war in behalf of israel. And the did regime change in Libya, bomb and missions in Somalia and Yemen and not a single word from almost all congress about war crimes in gaza.

Let’s be honest, AIPAC controls all level of governments.

The only issue now, white MAGA, who actually hate Jew, or Russian propagandist are calling him out.

As soon as AIPAC find dirt on them or manage to buy them, the progressive movement will find themselves alone again.

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It wouldn't. Trump can be bought off more easily. Trump literally released a propaganda AI hit piece on Gaza for Israel. Trump is literally illegally detaining protesters for protesting against Israel in universities. People who say Biden would have done the same show how clueless they are, specially now that the differences have shown how stark they are.

WMD in Iraq? Literally Republicans again.

Libya? Literally United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. Is the organization constantly getting vilified by Israel by their condemnations of it also part of the same grand scheme in your world view?

Somalia? Another Republican president.

Your shotgun argumentation is bad and you should feel bad. AIPAC has a lot of power in the US, but it is not equally present in both parties and it does not manifest in the same way either. The US has bigger problems than AIPAC, but its fascist takeover has probably gone over your head as well.

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lemmy.ca

Yeah you figured out the big secret. The Jews are the secret puppet masters of the world!

That or you've become antisemitic. Yeah, that's probably it.

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Doorbookreply
lemmy.world

It is you who think when someone says AIPAC means Jew. Most Jew has nothing to do with AIPAC. Read more about Zionism and their history before and after WWII and read more about different mostly Jew who are on odd with the AIPAC and it's Zionist views..

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lemmy.ca

AIPAC is a group of American Jews that support Israel. So when you're rambling on about AIPAC conspiracy theories you're claiming both American Jews and Israeli Jews are evil puppet masters.

Antisemitism has in the past made subsets of Jews acceptable to hate. Look up the term Cosmopolitan Jew. Zionist Jew follows that pattern.

You're being told by many people on the internet that it's part of the Jewish conspiracy to accuse people of being antisemitic for criticizing Israel. I'm not Jewish, I've never been to Israel, I'm not being paid by anyone. I'm not a part of some conspiracy against you. Just someone who has learned how antisemitism worked in the past since I felt like I owed it to my grandfather who was damaged while fighting against some antisemitic assholes.

You're following a pattern that has happened before.

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It's wrong to hate Jews because they are Jewish. That's antisemitism. But it's the right thing to do to unequivocally condemn the Israeli government and their enablers because of their right wing genocidal policies towards their neighbours. The pattern you are following is that of claiming Israel cannot be criticised without it being antisemitic, which is the same bullshit Netanyahu is trying to pull.

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Better not to engage with these account. I think their Zionist nature, as many of them, like to change the facts, create new one, then accuse people of being antisemitic.

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If you're criticizing actions of the Israeli government that's not antisemitism.

If you're promoting conspiracy theories about globalist Jews being the secret puppet masters of the government, that is antisemitism.

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Stop equating protocols of the elders of zion larpers with jews. That is literally some of the most antisemitic shit ever written.

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lemmings.world

No impeachments until they know they can get a conviction in the Senate, which is highly unlikely.

Besides, an impeachment only makes Peter Theil (Vance's leash holder) the president, then we're out of the frying pan and into the fire.

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Maevereply
midwest.social

Theil is already president, and probably has been for longer than I care to imagine.

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yeah I'm sure he'll add that one to the pile of "consequences that used to mean something" that he's racked up. great job team. this will be the threat of a threat of a threat of a stern talking to that shows him.

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They tried this before multiple times and it achieved nothing, you'd think they'd come up with a new idea.

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Does it even matter, American government and business is soaked deep in soggy dogshit.

It's not getting fixed by political discourse. If you're trying to do it that way than you aren't even playing the same game as the entity leading right now. Understand the game like mob boss and gang leaders. These politicians appear naive... We don't live in that world anymore and probably haven't for the past 30 years. It's the same feeling as seeing mainstream big religious people living in a dream world.

That's not a call for action or anything... It's just realistic observation.

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Impeachment was never the real battle it was always about Senate driven consequences. In a Republican-controlled Senate, 'accountability' is a one-way street paved entirely for Democrats. Their majority exists to shield their own from justice while weaponizing procedure against the opposition. Until that imbalance is broken, consequences will remain a fantasy reserved only for the left.

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mastodon.world

@MicroWave The problem is that even if the House impeaches AND the Senate convicts, we then have JD Vance as President. After Vance comes Mike Johnson. After Johnson comes Chuck Grassley. I went 17 levels down a succession list that includes Tulsi Gabbard and RFK, Jr. Impeachment doesn’t improve the leadership situation unless it includes Congress finally deciding to do its job and rein in the rogue Executive branch.

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Senate would never agree to remove Vance until they have a new VP chosen - who requires congressional approval, so they could stop the revolving door of traitors there if they wanted sanity back in the whitehouse

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To skip congress, all they need is "something" they can use to say it is urgent. And they do have satellite activity showing a bunch of cargo trucks or what not. So they can hang thier hat on that and say it couldn't wait. That would make it pretty hard to impeach on frankly. So this call is just political theater.

Now as for should we have done it... well I can at least see both sides. Iran has been defiant in it's continued operation of it nuclear program. And all the "talks" haven't really done much. The bombing likely does slow them down at least. Of course the other side to that questions what right does the US have to say other countries can research nuclear anything.

So there really everything about this is in the gray area where logical arguments could be made and debated endlessly about.

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sh.itjust.works

Trump pulled out of the negotiated nuclear deal.

Trump then said they’re so bad for not making a deal.

Trump then bombed them.

There’s no point here where Trump acted right.

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I'm not saying he did. I am saying it can be argued endlessly in all directions. Which counters the "clearly" impeachable part. And really, he has done much less gray things he could be impeached on. This isn't going to be the one that makes it happen.

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BassTurdreply
lemmy.world

Are you suggesting that seeing a bunch of cargo trucks on satellites means that it's would have been able to go from no nukes to functional nukes in less time than it would take comes to vote on striking? Cargo trucks and mobilization in a foreign country is absolutely not a justifiable reason to attack. Especially considering the strikes that came before and the evacuation that Iran went through in anticipation of Trump's terrorism. There's naturally going to be an uptick in activity.

There's absolutely no gray area in this one. There wasn't an imminent threat and he bypassed the constitution by bypassing Congress to attack a foreign nation.

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Its not about imminent threat. The "stated" purpose of the strike was to prevent the use of the materials at the site in a bomb. (Nevermind that our own intelligence people said they were still years away originally). But under that goal, cargo trucks could move material to many different locations and make it nearly impossible to keep track of. While there is a lot of BS in there. It's an argument that can be made.

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I think it depends. If Iran can be tenuously linked to AlQuaeda, then it's legal.

Edit, I'm downvoted by people who don't even know the laws of their country that have been (ab)used by every one of their presidents for the last 20 years...

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I think it depends. If Iran can be tenuously linked to AlQuaeda, then it’s legal.

Eh... We know that Iran was harbored AlQaeda, wouldn't be hard to claim that they're still doing it. I bring this up from time to time... While I was deployed to Jalalabad, we never had issues with the locals. Everyone that ever bombed that FOB while I was there was coming over the Iranian border and mortaring us from the mountains, then retreating back to Iran.

Sometimes we could get air assets up quickly enough to handle them before they got back to the Iranian border. But we couldn't follow them into Iran. Many... many requests were made to Iran to stop this. Didn't stop until the base was closed down due to the pull out.

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lemmy.ca

The left can never pass up fighting a battle they'll lose.

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lemmy.world

"He's guilty of crimes. He should be prosecuted for those crimes."

"You stupid idiot leftists. Don't you realize opposing rich people never works? Just brown nose them so you can become one somebody. That's the real ticket."

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There are twice as many NFL players on their standard rosters than there are billionaires in the U.S.

Mathematically the ~850 billionaires make up 0.00025% of the population.

The average person is about 22 times more likely to get struck by lightning than to become a billionaire.

There's a lot of people trying that brown nosing tactic, yet don't realize there isn't room on the roster for infinite members, there is a fairly finite amount of funds, and for someone to move up, the money has to come from others. Roughly the net worth of 5,000 U.S. families given to one person. But in reality, the devaluing of wealth from near every individual in the U.S. so they can have it.

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lemmy.ca

You make progress by fighting the battles you can win. Fighting battles you can't win is all about getting attention and accomplishing nothing.

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lemmy.world

She keeps doing dumb things (add pronouns to profile, remove them. keep using "latinx"). And sadly I think she's the best we've got. Never trust a Christian. At least she seems to be anti-billionaire, which is better than Mayor Pete.

On the other hand, it would be on brand for America if he got impeached for the one thing he did right.

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Soulgreply
ani.social

So illegal bombing Iran for no reason was right?

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PlagueShipreply
lemmy.world

We can't allow another NK to happen. But a true leader would take out their evil leadership - the population hates him.

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zbyte64reply
awful.systems

Then Congress should declare war per the constitution. Or do we not care about due process as long as it hurts the people we think are evil?

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PlagueShipreply
lemmy.world

Every president is doing this. That's why it was a bad statement. And with our congress being so shitty, I'm more concerned about actual effects on the world right now, legality has been irrelevant for 50+ years. People don't see how close evil is to winning. The entire world could be like NK in a few decades if trends continue. This is not a game.

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zbyte64reply
awful.systems

I’m more concerned about actual effects on the world right now, legality has been irrelevant for 50+ years.

And you don't see the two as connected? A fucking mazing.

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wpbreply
lemmy.world
  • woke bad
  • progressives good
  • religion bad
  • billionaires bad
  • bombing the middle east good

You're enigmatic.

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PlagueShipreply
lemmy.world

I'm a logical thinker, no team, solving logic puzzles for 30 years. Everybody else is wrong about most of what they believe. I do what I can.

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This guy said there is an epidemic of parents crushing their own baby's skulls. They are as smart as they sound.

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The mental gymnastics you worthless Trumpers perform to try and justify war are amazing

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