"You have no say in this at all. Federal law is supreme and federal law will be enforced."
Source of news: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/7/ice-launches-military-style-raids-in-los-angeles-what-we-know
This is Stephen Miller's (White House Deputy Chief) response to Karen Bass (Los Angeles Mayor).
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So much for "state's rights."
Fascists are never to be taken seriously when they say that they're very worried about protecting anything.
Another 5-10 years in power and they'll legalize conversion therapy and honor killings against gay and trans kids and call it "parental rights".
I will be shocked if it takes that long.
It’ll be anyone with it a red hat on being chased down by then. Trump will be a full vegetable if not dead by then, and the Vance/Miller/Heritage crowd will have found a way to take absolute power. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse and we might have a shot at reclaiming the country.
You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it.
What kinda shot?
Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup.
Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure.
Time for the Sartre quote:
They're all about protecting their own wealth and their own "supremacy."
Irony & Stephen being an arch-ghoul notwithstanding, federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2). Like, Nebraska couldn't just legalize murder. They could stop enforcing that law, but it'd still be illegal and the federal gov't could take action.
Only to the extent that the Federal law is constitutional (ie within its powers) and valid
And to the extent that they are actually following the federal law, regardless of its constitutionality.
That's a fair point. But it would need to be argued in the courts.
And "constitutionality" is defined by the Supreme Court...
Doh!
Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They're what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible.
Mmm, maybe, I'm pretty sure there's pretty solid case law precedent on this. It's been heavily litigated over the centuries.
The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there's a few other loose ends (implied powers).
"The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess"
The Feds aren't even following federal law.
A 30+ felon who tried to overthrow the government, and stole enough classified docs to be imprisoned for millennia, is the president.
There is no "federal law". There is only a fascist dictatorship — a kakistocracy with nothing but the illusion of authority — and the millions of people who let this failed-state clown show continue.
Like, I am genuinely baffled that in the most heavily armed county on Earth, with hundreds of thousands of veterans with PTSD, shat on for decades... How is the attempted murder of the people in charge not a daily occurrence? Shit's wild yo!
Learned a new word today. I'm keeping that one.
I like stulitocracy too,
From stultus: stupid, silly, unwise, foolish
- Known Nazi and self described white supremacist, Stephen Miller
Nice, if there's ever a democratic president again, let's use that precedent to completely fuck Texas and the other theocracies when they try to make bible shit into law again
Lmao they'll change their tune very quickly if that happens
No they won't, they'll claim they're being persecuted and play victim
gaslight, obstruct, project
You're funny. We don't change our tune in the south. We just claim that you're singing it wrong.
This has been the game for the GOP for decades. They cry “states rights” when they don’t have the presidency, then want the president to be a king when they have the presidency.
Biden could have arrested Trump on day one.
Democrats set this coarse.
I love how the liberals dreams of "revenge" are of not allowing others to be oppressed by some fucked up law.
I mean. I get it. Don't get me wrong. But if the dream of liberals in power is just "things aren't getting much worse for awhile" I really think we need to reprioritize.
My idea of left seizing power and being "authoritarian" is enacting universal healthcare, high speed rail, billionaires in jail, ending garbage AI waste, and much more material actions.
If our idea is just to "stick it" to some racist people in Texas I think we need to rethink that plan. I want those racist people in Texas to have all of the things above too. I want the material conditions to improve for everyone because I know that that is what helps to end these manufactured divisions of race, gender, or religion.
Our goals can't be to just play whackamole with fucked up laws in red states.
I think red states need to be humbled, and I live in one. Not that they should be denied those things, but never given another opportunity or concession as in post civil war.
Optimistic of you to assume their mission won't be a return to normalcy.
Sorry, the senate parliamentarian will say it’s not allowed and so the dems will pout about it some then just settle for sending a strongly worded letter about the matter.
Texan here: I'll bring the lube
If there's ever a non-trumpikan president of this country again they must declare the Republican party a fascist organization, its members arrested, its symbols hate speech, and ban everyone from supporting or promoting their ideas again. Anything less is, frankly, complicity with what's happening now.
It always was complicity, too. Sherman should have burned it all, zero concessions given.
hold on, this is from the "states rights" lot, right?
Smeagol lied.
I think Miller is more a mix of Joseph Goebbels and Wormtongue, both sycophants seeking to advance on the backs of others.
Smeagol was basically a good guy until he was enchanted by evil. Miller brings evil with him.
I think of Miller as more like Himmler, which is why I call him PeeWee Himmler. Bannon is more analogous to Goebbels.
Goebbels was on the propaganda side, while Himmler was on the Final Solution side.
I'm shocked! Shocked! I can't believe that Smeagol would lie about anything.
JRR Tolkien had smeagol a chance at redemption, but Sam blew it. There's a yt video about it, if anyone cares to look.
States rights are only for conservative states. Blue states don't have any rights. Everybody knows that.
I bet a few red states are in for a surprise.
The party of "small government", trampling over the rights of the state of California, one of the largest economies in the world.
The party of "state's rights".
You can start rehearsing the rebel yell sounds of popcorn, sorry, of gulping and smell of jasmine tea in my room
Executive orders ARE NOT LAW!
The law doesn't matter unless the president says it does. We can disagree but it doesn't matter until he is removed.
EOs are far more powerful because they trigger actual action by federal agencies.
It may not be how we learned it in Social Studies, but this is the streets.
States rights...to own slaves. Individual rights...to extract profit. Divine Federal right to smash dissent.
I need this on a shirt
States rights! Until I see anything I DONT LIKE, then unlimited power federal government!
The "states' rights" crowd is not very supportive of states' right, right now.
They never were. It was always cover to do awful shit like overturn Roe.
“States’ rights” has always been a bullshit lie. The confederacy did not honor states rights. The constitution explicitly instituted slavery as an institution an individual state could not abolish.
States' rights to abuse its citizens, no states' rights to protect any of them.
Little punk sure talks big when you can't reach his little pencil neck. If federal law was as supreme as he plays up, him and his entire bunch would be behind bars right now
Easy to sound like a big man when you're shouting from behind a few hundred marines.
But that's sort of the crux of the issue. Miller has the Miller-tary at his beck and call while Mayor Bass will be lucky if half her LAPD don't turn and open fire on her because they say they smelled weed. The folks with the guns seem absolutely gleeful in stomping their boots on the necks of LA residents.
Unfortunately yeah
It wouldn't surprise me if Miller was one of those "Skinny guys [that] fight 'til they're burger."
I thought he might have been the source of Elmu's black eye for a while.
Maybe. All I've seen him do though bitch andnmoan and threaten with is mouth
Where are all the right wing states rights mouthbreathers now?
They're the ones firing rubber bullets at news reporters.
It's somewhat hyperbolic to say a lot on the right are actual nazis, but this dude is the most neo-Nazi motherfucker and deserves everything that should come to Nazis.
What a shithead, we've fought rebellions in this country over goddamn stamps and whiskey, and they really imagine material conditions are good enough that this sort of behavior will be tolerated amidst their ill advised trade war?
Yeah, the last time a rebellion happened, it was to reinstate full blown fascism, and what few concessions were pissed away because we got too comfortable, and when that wore off everyone was too soft to venture anything, with a few notable exceptions.
You mean to tell me that we’re supposed to take advice from a guy who can’t even grow his own hair?
It’s a terrible system when fucking dorks who got bullied by classmates and never moved on get this kind of power. Some Latino kids beat him up or pantsed him or whatever and it’s been his mission to target the ethnicity of those who made his life as a teenager unpleasant rather than focusing on something more productive. We are being ruled by emotionally unstable babies who never got over whatever hardship occurred in their formative years and now see themselves as arbiters of retribution. We are under a bunch of stunted Eliot Rogers-esque dorks.
I agree with the sentiment... But it's important to note that both Miller and Rogers led lives of relative privilege. We can imagine that they might have been bullied but they might also have been bullies. We do know that they were well off bros with pale skin. I think that's part of what makes them so enraged - impotence despite great privilege.
They were raised in a bubble that had no room for empathy, mainly.
No, Stephen, it isn't. Fuck off and die.
Wrong argument: he's literally citing the supremacy clause.
A better argument would be that same constitution prohibits violation of limits on federal power, especially the bill of rights, enumerated powers, judicial review.
Let me be devil's advocate here for a sec.
Yes it is. Unless a federal law breaks any federal law, international laws, treaties or human rights its latterly the highest level of law in a democratic country in this modern world.
(And also, i agree with the major. If your community thrives or immigrants fills gaps in the community then fucking let them. Your community is better for it)
Federal law in USA is supposed to cover mostly commerce and interstate matters (and enforcement of constitutional rights) and what the states allow the federal government to manage. The federal gov is created as a contract between the states and a delegation of power from them.
So no. It's kinda unusual in that way too, compared to other countries formed from multiple states.
Suppose and what is in its power is a different thing. Imo federal law, just like eu law, should be law that all members must implement but should only be made for the better of the population as a whole, no matter their origins, social status, living status or whatever. Humanity goes first (oh no! Socialism aaaahhhh!! /s). One could say that those laws are interstate matters btw :p
But has usa really been setup for federal level laws to mean... Nothing for the states and its people..?
It's not doing well in the EU either.
The feds are breaking the law but my compatriots by and large have given them a pass.
Fortunately, there already are quite a lot of laws limiting federal power, so maybe stop agreeing with the fascists as they rewrite reality by fiat
Maybe you should read what i said. I was playing devil's advocate to make people think about the other side, thats what that means.
And i dont bloody agree with facists, seriously
Thank you for taking one for the team.
I would expect nothing less from a literal nazi.
Everyone hates you, Stephen.
That's a good quote democrats should use if they're ever back in power.
Sorry, all they're offering is furrowed brows and strongly worded letters.
Steven Miller has got to be high on the list of most punchable faces
That's Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller to his friends.
Great Value Goebbels.
Face most replaceable with an ash tray.
He actually overshadows Aijit Pai by a planetary scale.
Oh, the cretin whose wife is off banging Elon at spacex? Get your cuck on, Stevie.
Nobody is banging Skum, his wiener don't work.
Stop paying taxes. Let miller figure out how he’s gonna pay the military to keep up this supreme leader bullshit.
How?
Federal taxes don't pass through California on the way to the feds.
Grima Wormtongue-ass mfer.
Anarchy is the supreme law and will remain as such till heat death of the universe.
Try to hard to enforce your own and whatever order you thought you had will collapse.
In slightly different words: “Federal law is supreme” says who? Federal law?
Whether you mean it or not you're basically saying that the only order is the order of the strong over the weak.
Its a part of it but there are many ways to define strenght.
Strenght can be numbers, it can be witt, it can also be non corporale like “global warming” winning because we are being devided
In a hypotethical situattion where i am being chased i am not stopping for a red light. But this has little to do with strength.
Every entity has within the freedom to act on its own and law is a mutual agreement at best.
Being aware enough to consider others is a powerfull dynamic that can create strength but it is optional to life and can not be forced.
There are ways to survive without doing that. Most will do that though, because they already are. The oppressed would rather exploit each other than the system, because of the few that made the news, it didn't go very well. For those that didn't, enforcement apparatus was well-paid.
Then by OPs logic it would follow that the oppressed are only in that position because they are weak. (e.g. not temporarily disenfranchised revolutionaries) If they were "strong" they would be in the oppressors position.
Life isn't black and white, you know?
Cop out
That's pretty callow, imo.
Is water good or bad? Are you drowning, or thirsty? Maybe you're swimming. Maybe it's in water where raw sewage or chemical waste is dumped. Maybe it's pristine and you accidentally swallow some, but now you have cholera because an infected animal eliminated in that spot. Maybe it's full of microplastics.
Instead, maybe you can picture life questions as one of those color picker sliders, and the slider can move infinitely in any direction.
You are really beating up that strawman. He doesn't stand a chance.
Is it not? We all collectively agree to cede the state a monopoly on (legal) violence to enforce the law.
Yeah but if it's a universal truth then it transcends all categories. The stronger nation topples the weaker while the bully dominates others in the schoolyard. Therefore any semblance of egalitarianism or equality is artificial and sustained only by the threat of force. This force only exists if there are enough intelligent and strong people in the society that also agree to the social contract in enough numbers that it won't collapse or be conquered by an outside force. (e.g. Brute force is all that matters)
I'd argue military force and threatening posture has been a large part of the USA foreign policy and diplomacy for the entire existence of the nation.
I get what you're saying and yeah I honestly think the world we live in, stripping away all sense of morality, is one where "might makes right."
Dead people do not argue. I'm not saying I think it should be that way or it's good, only that it's the way things work even if it does suck.
I agree with you. Having the power to exert your will is what politics boils down to in this earthly life. Everything else is BS.
His obituary will be the best one.
His grave just another popular rest stop.
I have never wished for a man's death, but I have read the occasional obituary with great pleasure.
I'd make an exception for PeeWee Himmler...and wish for his death.
He’s still pissed off he got cucked by Elon with his ex-Wife.
And he's right, as long as the "resistance" continues doing nothing.
Every day these people aren't afraid to leave their homes is a day Americans have failed.
He is one of the evilest people in Washington.
Top 10, definitely.
Seems like Steve is begging to be removed.
One way or another these people will be removed from power.
That's a weird way to spell "heil Trump".
This Federal Government has shown that they have no regard for "the law", therefore they have no right to anything.
Small gubermint
After all it’s Taco’s birthday week
What a big tough guy
"federal law is supreme." Is some supervillain shit. Even Hitler would have cringed.
Miller is a known white supremacist and hardcore Nazi
I know. But even then, that is so over the top.
Miller is what caused the "Uncanny Valley" phenomenon in early humans. He's what prowled in the dark that looked human but wasn't. And for long enough to warrant an evolutionary response.
LA should join Canada honestly.
I hope he dies by kidney stone
I hope he dies by public execution but I'm open to methods
So we just hold him in a cage and feed him raw rhubarb greens on live tv until he croaks?
It'll probably be by pegging and Valhalla will be stumped on how to procede.
I get the dilemma. It's an honorable death fit for a warrior, but no nazis in Valhalla. Unfortunately for him, Hel is in the same position.
This is how civil conflicts start, BTW. Will the fascist side find an opposing force? I wonder.
Miller is trying hard to instigate martial law.
Okay, but why? What's the endgame?
Christian theocratic fascism with America as a white Christian ethnostate
Didn’t Stephen Miller’s wife leave him for fElon?
Guy must be so angry that she considered him to be worse than a populist shill bag
He probably had an authoritarian boner typing that
Does this stance fall under the GOP doctrine of small government or states rights? I’m a little lost.
This is ABSOLUTELY Correct!
-State's Rights Republicans!
I'd like to fight Stephen Miller.
Did his knowledge of the law leave with Elon, too?