I dunno. I kinda wanna talk about how fucking good the new dark tranquility album is. But i doubt the people on Lemmy have heard anything related to its namesake Lemmy kilmister
Beans are political if you look at it hard enough.
Also if you look at politics even more it also becomes beans.
Either embrace the absurdity or fight for the right to grow beans on your friend's lakehouse farm while taking your clothes to your mom's house so she can wash them for you.
Because the sole nature of Lemmy is political. The whole reason it exists is political. People want to move away from tech oligarchs and take control of their own spaces, of their data. Rotting on Reddit while all your data is being harvested and your interactions get turned into shareholder value is very convenient. Being on Lemmy is inconvenient (although it has become less so over the last year). So if you're willing to ditch a very convenient platform because of your beliefs, and move to a platform that aligns more closely with said beliefs, then it's fairly obvious why said platform is so political in nature.
Just from the features and the convenience, Reddit is better. It's bigger, it's got more content, it's easier, it's more stable (or at least used to be). You don't have to worry about your instance going under or anything like that.
The reason for the devs to invest their time to make lemmy and the apps and for admins to invest money and time into hosting and running the instances and for users to use this instead of Reddit is mainly the politics of wanting to have your own space with your own data.
I'm tired of Lemmy users acting like they, on average, aren't the people that people make fun of when they make fun of Redditors. Y'all are literally the stereotypical Redditor of ten years ago, which is about the time people first started hating on Redditors.
Politics of state and business, poor job market prospects, these are the things that we need to solve if we are to truly maximize beantime or beanmaxxing if you will
I mean, politics encompass everything. There is no escape, simply a tolerance for one flavor of politics over another. You may be in a position that views news and opinions as an annoyance, but I'm not free to forget what's at stake.
Only zealots think like this. Politics is not everything, it is a topic like any other. If you can't have a conversation with another person or enjoy an activity without thinking about politics, then you're spending too much time online.
This is the privileged take. So many people don't have the luxury of not paying attention to politics because their very identity and public existence is being outlawed.
I literally lived in Iraq and Syria for a big portion of my life, and I spent even more time living in the inner cities of the US. Some braindead Lemmy user trying to accuse me of being privileged from their mother's basement is exactly the type of ignorance that I expect from users on this site.
If people in literal warzones and in poverty can distinguish politics from everything else, then so can everybody else. This idea that people in bad circumstances think about politics 23/7 is not reality. This is an ignorant idea made by ideologues for ideologues. Even during the war in Iraq, people had weddings, they went to visit each other's houses, they celebrated holidays, they talk about trivial things, and so on. Do you know why that's the case? It's because they're people. You clearly don't view them as such, hence you hold on to such an out of touch belief.
Some braindead Lemmy user trying to accuse me of being privileged from their mother's basement
I love when people say this shit to me because it could only really ever sting if it's true. When you're a grown-ass adult who's lived alone for over a decade, it kind of rings hollow. Nice try though.
You've also completely misrepresented my point so I'm not even going to bother continuing this.
Hey there, I too lived in one of the poorest and most densely populated regions in the world for half of my life.
Politics is unfortunately not a topic like any other. Unlike other subjects, this one materially affects all people in the relevant country, and often other countries too.
Governments work all the time to keep systems running, whether people think about them or not. But it is only by being aware of what is going on that people can make better choices when the time comes to choose new leaders.
Without political awareness, a person gives up their right to a say in how their country should be.
But you're conflating two different things. Someone who doesn't think about politics 24/7 isn't necessarily politically unaware or politically inactive. It just means that they understand there's more to life than politics. You can recognize that politics has more influence on your life than other things, but it's not the only influence on your life nor is it everything in life. I mean you lived through it, you should know as well as I do that even during blackouts and war, people still find ways to do things life that isn't politics.
Something this basic seems to be beyond comprehension for Lemmy users for some reason.
Agreed! There is more to a good life than politics.
Keeping an ear out, talking to people when relevant, and remembering it when it comes time to vote is enough.
I suppose the USA is having a particularly rough time of it lately, it's understandable that many American users might have their situation front of mind.
Calling people an ignorant, selfish asshole is really going to help see the light and day of why politics are important and/or make them see why your opinions are good.
That's a wild assumption to have based on nothing. The reasons why someone spends so much time or very little time thinking about politics could be radically different. There are a lot of people who make politics their lives but are willfully ignorant, selfish assholes. This site is a prime example of that. At the same time there are very kind, well meaning people who don't think about politics. This isn't something that's black and white.
The issue with this take is that you assume that there is a direct correlation between kindness and civic engagement, which is not true. Someone can be genuinely kind but disengaged from civic duties due to a bunch of reasons ranging from personal to societal. Your take also equates passivity with malice, suggesting that if someone isn’t politically active, they’re morally flawed, which again isn't true. The people who are the most politically obsessive, engaged, and vocal in the country are MAGA Republicans, and they are clearly not people who are kind... especially when you compare them to someone who's apolitical but spends a lot of their time volunteering in their community.
But that's the issue, your take is inherently flawed because you draw your moral superiority from two assumption. The first is that you assume that your views are objectively correct and are superior to others, and the second is that you assume people who are politically zealous or choose to be as such will end up having your views... Both of which are absurdly arrogant assumptions to have. Your views are neither objectively moral or superior, nor do politically active people share your views. In fact the vast, vast majority of people do not see things the way that you do.
There's really no way you can justify your take because your digesting the world in absolutist terms. To you people are either politically active and share your views, thus are morally correct, or they're inactive and are intentionally because evil or hostile. It's such a polarizing and out of touch way to look at people and the world. If you are an example of the chronically online person who obsesses about politics 24/7, fine, but you have to acknowledge that the vast, vast majority of people do not think about politics 24/7, and that's perfectly okay. Not only that, but just because most people aren't zealots that does not mean they're morally flawed or inferior. This holier than thou attitude is shows that your worldview is quite myopic.
Like, I'm just a normal fucking person in a time where people (including children) are getting kidnapped by the government for being brown. Trump pardoned violent criminals and their ring leaders as well as corrupt billionaires while pissing away our tax money into carpet bombing a nation of 48% children.
Fucking good for you if don't mind the taste of boot, but I'm watching our way of life begin to collapse. Slapping the 'politics' label on it and feels like a load of bullshit.
You're not a normal person, literally go outside and touch grass.
Normal people have political opinions, they do discuss politics, but that's not their every thought. It might be shocking for you to hear, but people actually have lives outside of arguing about politics. This is true for people all around the world, rich or poor, old or young, male or female. Even in the most dire of circumstances, people find ways to enjoy life and not think about stressful things all the time. Otherwise they would be miserable all the time... like you.
Pointing out the reality is not "tasting the boot", that's just a cop out made by people on this site whenever their shitty opinions get exposed or pushed back. It's a lazy way to dismiss criticism or opinions that contradict their extremely narrow and out of touch worldview. Come back to me when you actually go outside and talk to people from different backgrounds. Until then, you're a zealot.
What the fuck are you on about? Touch grass? Come off with that shit man. You don't know if I need an abortion or if my Medicare or Medicaid has been stalled by the government. You don't know if I started carrying my birth certificate and passport everywhere I go just so I don't get deported to El Salvador. You don't know how many of my health insurance claims have been denied.
It's like telling a soldier to ignore the war that things could be worse and they should enjoy life. I don't think it's a shit opinion to say that carpet bombing children is wrong. I think you're projecting. You don't know what life is like for most. You don't know how bad things have gotten for most. You just know that things are good for you and your social circle and that everyone should make you feel comfortable and happy about it. Go find an echo chamber if that's what you want.
You're so dishonest it's unbelievable. Nobody is arguing with you on your political opinions, that's not the point of contention. You can think whatever you want, that's your problem and right. What I was saying is that normal people don't think about politics 24/7 like terminally online Lemmy users. People treat politics like they do any other subject. There are times when they think about, talk about it, and take action on it, and times where they don't. It's really simple as that.
This idea that people you deem as non privileged think about politics all day everyday is not reality. That's an out of touch assumption that you made up to justify an inaccurate worldview you have. People not thinking about politics 24/7 doesn't mean they don't care about politics or that they ignore politics, it means that there's more to life than politics. People who do spend all their time talking and thinking about politics aren't normal, those are zealots, they're fanatics. This is not a new or controversial, this was literally always the case.
Being against genocide isn't a "political position." It's called "being a decent human being" and you should be against it, no matter who is doing it to who.
Pointing out that Trump is the dumbest, cruelest president that has ever lived isn't a "political position. " It's called "using your fucking eyes and paying attention to what he's doing."
I could go on and on about "things that are more obvious than a sunrise being labeled 'political positions'" but those 2 things could keep us busy for years.
It's a political position. You are literally talking about a person in politics, that makes it a political matter. Wow difficult to understand I guess. Speaking about Trump is especially political and jarring
Exactly .... I wouldn't be talking about politics if politics had just stayed out of affecting my life in so many stupid, terrible and sometimes horrible ways
I prefer politics remain just plain boring press conferences from a dumb politician trying to figure out how to raise finances to build a highway or fix a bridge or upgrade water services.
It feels weird to have nostalgia for a time when the corrupt politicians, morally questionable revolutionaries and war crime loving generalissimos of the world at least tried to look respectable on the surface. You know, speak in complete, reasonably complex sentences and all that.
I'll be honest: I'd probably still be talking about politics. But at least it'd be more confined to appropriate communities rather than spilling over into every aspect of life.
Lemmy is political because you may be into Star trek, you may use Linux, but we are all beholden to corrupt, capitalist oligarchs and billionaires. It's the one true shared interest of everyone here.
or maybe it is uncanny because there are beans the size of boulders??
smh. “result of the uncanny AI effect.” talking about image generation like it’s some sort of magic taint that pervades the image. i’ll go draw large beans myself just to point out how fucking absurd what you’re saying is, brb.
I hate to be that guy, but that is the NCC-1701 Refit, or the NCC-1701 A , not the NCC-1701, and I demand the meme be fixed, preferably by putting the old school enterprise in it.
Im gonna that guy your that guy. If this is the refit it’s still the original enterprise. It’s no different to the ship of Theseus question, if anything it’s simpler than that old canard, so I’d say it’s still the same ship just upgraded.
The equivalent would be to require all pictures of some actor only be when they were young. I challenge your premise at the axiom here as it’s the same ship just upgraded at a point in time.
Gloves come off I understand you point, however the refit replaced a large section of the engineering hull, the nacells, that the only part I would call "origional" is maybe the primary saucer section hull, and the bulkheads, I would disagree that it was just upgraded, and upgrade would be from the pilot to the main series where the collectors had an upgrade. this feels much more like a new ship with extra steps.
Heh, well even by that definition I’d still say it’s the og enterprise. If we’re taking the nautical pov on things like a wooden sailing ship, they often had similar refit type work and were always the same “ship”. Example, Tally Ho rebuild on YouTube, you can argue all you want that there is barely any of the 1910 ship left, but no mariner would argue as such. The idea and spirit of the Tally Ho is alive in the rebuilt ship. She is as much the original as she is now or will be in the future.
Really it’s just a question of lineage or even idea. Much like a human with say cosmetic surgery to look like Barbie or Ken, the person is the same the bones are still there as it were. The name remains, the ship will change, or if you will the 4d path in time describes the ship through history.
Fair enough, I do think I was probably overly hastu with my um actually correction, especially given this looks like it is re refit, you have out that guyed me
It's pretty easy to filter out most political stuff on Lemmy and Reddit and similar platforms. Just subscribe to communities you like and stay out of All. If I go to All, I know what I'm in for. That's on me.
Respectfully I’d disagree. I can’t scroll through most of my meme or shitposting communities without seeing some politically flavored post, and there’s some kind of political comment on probably 85% of those posts. I get politics is an important topic but people often don’t have the class to keep politics out of the more “fun” communities. I keep to my subscribed list, block the spammers, but it’s fairly pervasive. I suppose that’s not all a bad thing as I get on social media a lot less atm. If you’ve got any additional tips though I’d love to hear them.
If you're using voyager you can filter words out, I've put a lot of the main political words in mine and only the odd one or 2 political posts get through.
Didn't realize this was strictly about the US. Also left and right are relative directions. Something being left of something else. You can endlessly compare apples and oranges if you want, but I don't see the point.
Since you brought it up, I finally upgraded to windows 11 and hated it so I switched to Pop! linux since it's good for gaming. So far so good, Proton needs some tweaking on occasion but it's easy to do. Hell Rimworld and Planet Crafter run even better. I haven't tried anything else out yet.
Dude, Proton is so good for 2d gaming. I have, I think, 3X the number of Stardew Valley mods installed than when I had it on Win10. It's at the point where I am deciding on whether to downgrade my Windows SSD and just use it for firmware updates (though I might experiment with running the DualSense tool in wine, instead).
Always hated the subtitles of Jeremy's line here. It's all it italics except the word "like". Suggesting either every word has emphasis except that one word, which is nonsense. Or that the emphasis is on "like", which doesn't work either in this context. Plus I remember this episode, and I'm pretty sure he put emphasis on "I" and "this"…
I have no idea, I blocked everything I could by keyword just like I did with Reddit. I don't even get news here unless it's tech-related, just dogs, memes, and shitposts.
Preach, my friend. It is actually the main reason I'm considering deleting my profile because part of the reason I left mainstream social media was to get away from politics and ideological lunatics, but this platform is fucking full of both. Even after filtering out as much of it as possible. Its like a cancer, spreading to every forum page on here.
Is there anywhere on the internet where people are just focusing on hobbies and interests that aren't mired in hatred and aggression?
I mean, don't you think it's at least in part bc politics have invaded just about every aspect of science and tech?
Like I work in research, and over the last 5 months everything has changed. And it's still constantly changing.
I wish it didn't have to be so political, but a lot of people feel like it's not so much a choice to talk about politics. How do you talk about science/tech/healthcare without mentioning very abrupt and invasive policies? Often, I learn about things that will have an impact on my job here before I hear anything from my employer. It's kind of insane.
I mean, literally it feels like it's overtaken my entire life, not just online. Everything.
I was kind of into politics before, but never to this extent, even during Trump's first term bc it's just fucked up everything for me.
My job, my plans for the future, my child's future, my family that are retired and dependent on social security and Mediciad, my friends that have had health issues.
It's not propaganda. It's literally just fucked me over, and ignoring it would just be like closing my eyes, sticking my fingers in my ears and pretending reality isn't real.
If that's not the case for you, I understand and kind of envy you, but I promise its the reality for a lot of people right now
Originally the discussion was about politics always being brought up on lemmy for all topics even when it's not relevant to the topic. I said that it's not necessarily that people want to bring it up, but it's hard to talk about most things without bringing it up bc it's become so invasive in so many things.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you were arguing it's not actually invasive it's just propaganda making it seem invasive, no?
So I was explaining how it actually has been very invasive for me in response to the statement about it being propaganda.
This is like saying that everything is religious and that everyone is religious and then making arguments for why everything can be turned into religious doctrin.
You're technically not wrong if you choose to have that lens on for everything, but it is a very limiting way of viewing the world and to someone like me, borderline madness.
It is also more of an uhm actually argument rather than engaging with the point I was making that I think most of us are aware of. When someone says they would like to avoid politics they are more often than not referring to the aggressive and argumentative stupidity that occurs between people when certain inflamed topics - usually current events in politics - are brought up. It is pretty easy to discern that from anyone who says "can we just not talk about politics right now?"
Much like dicks and religion, some people just don't want that shit shoved down their fucking throats constantly because it is rarely if ever productive and beneficial to anyone. It is, at most a passing contest or an attempt to shame and attack people who sees the world differently from yourself.
I'll try and check it out when I have the time to dive in. I'm honestly leaning more and one toward just cutting the chord and not using the internet for anything other than work related stuff and watching youtube on the DuckDuckGo player. The current state of the internet is for bots and hysterical political people and I'm honestly over it at this point. Even on this knockout place from the brief glance I had, it also looked like a very political place so eh.
not trying to intrude or provide any valid critique or communicable perspective necessarily, but I was wondering what the concept of “Political” means, in terms you could best use to describe the feeling/notion to someone? I can think of a couple criteria in mind that I would associate as making a topic that was not otherwise related directly to activities of some level of some government somewhere, suddenly seem “Political” from my perspective. I am curious mostly just what criteria you might use to filter topics or general ideas?
if I sound like a bot it’s because spectrum disorder not autofill so read carefully for L’s sake
There are plenty of topics out there that are political in nature that I do not mind, but I do mind the combative, aggressive, reductive and unintelligent discourse that has become the norm online. To me it is not actual discussion nor is it people wishing for a better world. It is just angry people screeching into the void and attacking anyone who disagrees with them and calling them whatever slur they can come up with.
I find it childish, unproductive and stupid and I don't want to see or hear it. If I wanted to rot my brain I could just drill a hole in my skull and pour some feces in there. It's the same effect that political screeching has.
Actions have always “spoken” louder than the thought we have, especially the thoughts which some people may choose to put into words in various contexts. few creatures in existence are brave enough for actual honest self reflection beyond some personal threshold of comfort which they have established for themselves, and wish to venture no further beyond. I think people who don’t recognize any of what I am talking about above, or who may be narcissistically excluding themselves from consideration while agreeing with the sentiment, are some of the people who end up screeching as you have described, over topics that they have yet to delve deeply into, as they fear being perceived as amateur or even novice, while never even fully recognizing that the Dunning-Kruger effect simply must apply to themselves as well, to some degree, in any area of study that they are actively pursuing with passion.
Whatever their reasons for screeching, it's not something I care to be around.
We have all screeched at some point, especially online. I'm not innocent either, I have just grown out of it and seek to engage with people in more productive ways.
It is one of the reasons I came here in the first place because silly me believed this place would be full of rational and mature people and they are certainly here too, but holy shit have I been overall disappointed in the tone on this platform. To me it is no different than Meta, Twitter and Reddit and maybe I was a fool for believing there would be a platform online where people act normal and are able to have a discussion without becoming hysterical and flinging insults as the first measure of rebuttal.
"Can we stop talking about politics for a moment?"
"So, uh, does anyone like Furina from Genshin Impact?"
"HOLY SHIT, okay fine, let's talk politics."
Furina is a 10, next question
I dunno. I kinda wanna talk about how fucking good the new dark tranquility album is. But i doubt the people on Lemmy have heard anything related to its namesake Lemmy kilmister
Beans are political if you look at it hard enough.
Also if you look at politics even more it also becomes beans.
Either embrace the absurdity or fight for the right to grow beans on your friend's lakehouse farm while taking your clothes to your mom's house so she can wash them for you.
Because the sole nature of Lemmy is political. The whole reason it exists is political. People want to move away from tech oligarchs and take control of their own spaces, of their data. Rotting on Reddit while all your data is being harvested and your interactions get turned into shareholder value is very convenient. Being on Lemmy is inconvenient (although it has become less so over the last year). So if you're willing to ditch a very convenient platform because of your beliefs, and move to a platform that aligns more closely with said beliefs, then it's fairly obvious why said platform is so political in nature.
This.
Just from the features and the convenience, Reddit is better. It's bigger, it's got more content, it's easier, it's more stable (or at least used to be). You don't have to worry about your instance going under or anything like that.
The reason for the devs to invest their time to make lemmy and the apps and for admins to invest money and time into hosting and running the instances and for users to use this instead of Reddit is mainly the politics of wanting to have your own space with your own data.
There's something comical about your discussion around leaving reddit and yet your comment starts like so much reddit trash.
I'm tired of Lemmy users acting like they, on average, aren't the people that people make fun of when they make fun of Redditors. Y'all are literally the stereotypical Redditor of ten years ago, which is about the time people first started hating on Redditors.
This.
Your encounters with dildos is much different than mine
"voodoo dick my ass!" Comes to mind
Glossy bean
I’ve touched it
I've probably licked it
I 100% fucked it.
Good meme!
Answer you probably weren't looking for:
Because while you might not be political, the Nazis are. They're political enough for both of you, actually, and they prefer it that way.
Politics of state and business, poor job market prospects, these are the things that we need to solve if we are to truly maximize beantime or beanmaxxing if you will
I have already watched the beanmaxing video
https://youtu.be/QnLds7KHbpE
everyone here is a leftist nerd, and the united states is at risk of falling under right-wing fascism.
Even beans are political, mate.
I heard they even have a navy!
Especially soy beans
I mean, politics encompass everything. There is no escape, simply a tolerance for one flavor of politics over another. You may be in a position that views news and opinions as an annoyance, but I'm not free to forget what's at stake.
Only zealots think like this. Politics is not everything, it is a topic like any other. If you can't have a conversation with another person or enjoy an activity without thinking about politics, then you're spending too much time online.
This is the privileged take. So many people don't have the luxury of not paying attention to politics because their very identity and public existence is being outlawed.
I literally lived in Iraq and Syria for a big portion of my life, and I spent even more time living in the inner cities of the US. Some braindead Lemmy user trying to accuse me of being privileged from their mother's basement is exactly the type of ignorance that I expect from users on this site.
If people in literal warzones and in poverty can distinguish politics from everything else, then so can everybody else. This idea that people in bad circumstances think about politics 23/7 is not reality. This is an ignorant idea made by ideologues for ideologues. Even during the war in Iraq, people had weddings, they went to visit each other's houses, they celebrated holidays, they talk about trivial things, and so on. Do you know why that's the case? It's because they're people. You clearly don't view them as such, hence you hold on to such an out of touch belief.
I love when people say this shit to me because it could only really ever sting if it's true. When you're a grown-ass adult who's lived alone for over a decade, it kind of rings hollow. Nice try though.
You've also completely misrepresented my point so I'm not even going to bother continuing this.
It's ironic how everything you said here applies directly to you.
Hey there, I too lived in one of the poorest and most densely populated regions in the world for half of my life.
Politics is unfortunately not a topic like any other. Unlike other subjects, this one materially affects all people in the relevant country, and often other countries too.
Governments work all the time to keep systems running, whether people think about them or not. But it is only by being aware of what is going on that people can make better choices when the time comes to choose new leaders.
Without political awareness, a person gives up their right to a say in how their country should be.
But you're conflating two different things. Someone who doesn't think about politics 24/7 isn't necessarily politically unaware or politically inactive. It just means that they understand there's more to life than politics. You can recognize that politics has more influence on your life than other things, but it's not the only influence on your life nor is it everything in life. I mean you lived through it, you should know as well as I do that even during blackouts and war, people still find ways to do things life that isn't politics.
Something this basic seems to be beyond comprehension for Lemmy users for some reason.
Agreed! There is more to a good life than politics.
Keeping an ear out, talking to people when relevant, and remembering it when it comes time to vote is enough.
I suppose the USA is having a particularly rough time of it lately, it's understandable that many American users might have their situation front of mind.
Calling people an ignorant, selfish asshole is really going to help see the light and day of why politics are important and/or make them see why your opinions are good.
If they're too stupid to see it already then they can die with the rest of the idiots, we don't care about convincing them anymore
That's a wild assumption to have based on nothing. The reasons why someone spends so much time or very little time thinking about politics could be radically different. There are a lot of people who make politics their lives but are willfully ignorant, selfish assholes. This site is a prime example of that. At the same time there are very kind, well meaning people who don't think about politics. This isn't something that's black and white.
The issue with this take is that you assume that there is a direct correlation between kindness and civic engagement, which is not true. Someone can be genuinely kind but disengaged from civic duties due to a bunch of reasons ranging from personal to societal. Your take also equates passivity with malice, suggesting that if someone isn’t politically active, they’re morally flawed, which again isn't true. The people who are the most politically obsessive, engaged, and vocal in the country are MAGA Republicans, and they are clearly not people who are kind... especially when you compare them to someone who's apolitical but spends a lot of their time volunteering in their community.
But that's the issue, your take is inherently flawed because you draw your moral superiority from two assumption. The first is that you assume that your views are objectively correct and are superior to others, and the second is that you assume people who are politically zealous or choose to be as such will end up having your views... Both of which are absurdly arrogant assumptions to have. Your views are neither objectively moral or superior, nor do politically active people share your views. In fact the vast, vast majority of people do not see things the way that you do.
There's really no way you can justify your take because your digesting the world in absolutist terms. To you people are either politically active and share your views, thus are morally correct, or they're inactive and are intentionally because evil or hostile. It's such a polarizing and out of touch way to look at people and the world. If you are an example of the chronically online person who obsesses about politics 24/7, fine, but you have to acknowledge that the vast, vast majority of people do not think about politics 24/7, and that's perfectly okay. Not only that, but just because most people aren't zealots that does not mean they're morally flawed or inferior. This holier than thou attitude is shows that your worldview is quite myopic.
"Politics is not everything, but anything can be politics." - Chef Gusteau, Ratatoullie
It's weird to be called zealous.
Like, I'm just a normal fucking person in a time where people (including children) are getting kidnapped by the government for being brown. Trump pardoned violent criminals and their ring leaders as well as corrupt billionaires while pissing away our tax money into carpet bombing a nation of 48% children.
Fucking good for you if don't mind the taste of boot, but I'm watching our way of life begin to collapse. Slapping the 'politics' label on it and feels like a load of bullshit.
You're not a normal person, literally go outside and touch grass.
Normal people have political opinions, they do discuss politics, but that's not their every thought. It might be shocking for you to hear, but people actually have lives outside of arguing about politics. This is true for people all around the world, rich or poor, old or young, male or female. Even in the most dire of circumstances, people find ways to enjoy life and not think about stressful things all the time. Otherwise they would be miserable all the time... like you.
Pointing out the reality is not "tasting the boot", that's just a cop out made by people on this site whenever their shitty opinions get exposed or pushed back. It's a lazy way to dismiss criticism or opinions that contradict their extremely narrow and out of touch worldview. Come back to me when you actually go outside and talk to people from different backgrounds. Until then, you're a zealot.
What the fuck are you on about? Touch grass? Come off with that shit man. You don't know if I need an abortion or if my Medicare or Medicaid has been stalled by the government. You don't know if I started carrying my birth certificate and passport everywhere I go just so I don't get deported to El Salvador. You don't know how many of my health insurance claims have been denied.
It's like telling a soldier to ignore the war that things could be worse and they should enjoy life. I don't think it's a shit opinion to say that carpet bombing children is wrong. I think you're projecting. You don't know what life is like for most. You don't know how bad things have gotten for most. You just know that things are good for you and your social circle and that everyone should make you feel comfortable and happy about it. Go find an echo chamber if that's what you want.
You're so dishonest it's unbelievable. Nobody is arguing with you on your political opinions, that's not the point of contention. You can think whatever you want, that's your problem and right. What I was saying is that normal people don't think about politics 24/7 like terminally online Lemmy users. People treat politics like they do any other subject. There are times when they think about, talk about it, and take action on it, and times where they don't. It's really simple as that.
This idea that people you deem as non privileged think about politics all day everyday is not reality. That's an out of touch assumption that you made up to justify an inaccurate worldview you have. People not thinking about politics 24/7 doesn't mean they don't care about politics or that they ignore politics, it means that there's more to life than politics. People who do spend all their time talking and thinking about politics aren't normal, those are zealots, they're fanatics. This is not a new or controversial, this was literally always the case.
Being against genocide isn't a "political position." It's called "being a decent human being" and you should be against it, no matter who is doing it to who.
Pointing out that Trump is the dumbest, cruelest president that has ever lived isn't a "political position. " It's called "using your fucking eyes and paying attention to what he's doing."
I could go on and on about "things that are more obvious than a sunrise being labeled 'political positions'" but those 2 things could keep us busy for years.
Dumbest? Maybe, but there have definitely been crueler: Andrew Jackson for one.
Andrew Jackson was the cruelest so far. Give Trump more time to cook and we will see.
It's a political position. You are literally talking about a person in politics, that makes it a political matter. Wow difficult to understand I guess. Speaking about Trump is especially political and jarring
Incredible. We've found someone more dense than a neutron star.
Amazing
Say something non political
Orange man
It's difficult to see how it would be jarring, the guy is the very vocal President of the United States, materially affects quite a few people.
People like to complain, and if you’re even marginally aware of the recent headlines, there’s a LOT to complain about.
Exactly .... I wouldn't be talking about politics if politics had just stayed out of affecting my life in so many stupid, terrible and sometimes horrible ways
I prefer politics remain just plain boring press conferences from a dumb politician trying to figure out how to raise finances to build a highway or fix a bridge or upgrade water services.
It feels weird to have nostalgia for a time when the corrupt politicians, morally questionable revolutionaries and war crime loving generalissimos of the world at least tried to look respectable on the surface. You know, speak in complete, reasonably complex sentences and all that.
I'll be honest: I'd probably still be talking about politics. But at least it'd be more confined to appropriate communities rather than spilling over into every aspect of life.
Lemmy is political because you may be into Star trek, you may use Linux, but we are all beholden to corrupt, capitalist oligarchs and billionaires. It's the one true shared interest of everyone here.
Also Star Trek and FLOSS are both intrinsically political.
Star Trek is THE political show
I gotchu, fam
Wild that you post this on a post that says "fuck AI"
I like to live on the edge...
How & why?
How about this?
or maybe it is uncanny because there are beans the size of boulders??
smh. “result of the uncanny AI effect.” talking about image generation like it’s some sort of magic taint that pervades the image. i’ll go draw large beans myself just to point out how fucking absurd what you’re saying is, brb.
The truth is the for a lot of us being here in the first place was a political stance.
I hate to be that guy, but that is the NCC-1701 Refit, or the NCC-1701 A , not the NCC-1701, and I demand the meme be fixed, preferably by putting the old school enterprise in it.
Edit, this is the refit,
I was wondering if anyone would catch that.
Lying, I didn't notice.
And I'm glad you're that guy. We need that guy. Not everybody being that guy. But at least one that guy, to hold things straight and true.
You know what, how about you come over, and we can watch so much star trek you can indentify what enterprise is what on sight. I can supply popcorn
I was over 30 when I realized US Thanksgiving was always on a Thursday. I'm not very observant. So I don't know if I'll ever get the ship id down.
That being said, I'm there. What drinks shall I bring?
Im gonna that guy your that guy. If this is the refit it’s still the original enterprise. It’s no different to the ship of Theseus question, if anything it’s simpler than that old canard, so I’d say it’s still the same ship just upgraded.
The equivalent would be to require all pictures of some actor only be when they were young. I challenge your premise at the axiom here as it’s the same ship just upgraded at a point in time.
Gloves come off I understand you point, however the refit replaced a large section of the engineering hull, the nacells, that the only part I would call "origional" is maybe the primary saucer section hull, and the bulkheads, I would disagree that it was just upgraded, and upgrade would be from the pilot to the main series where the collectors had an upgrade. this feels much more like a new ship with extra steps.
Heh, well even by that definition I’d still say it’s the og enterprise. If we’re taking the nautical pov on things like a wooden sailing ship, they often had similar refit type work and were always the same “ship”. Example, Tally Ho rebuild on YouTube, you can argue all you want that there is barely any of the 1910 ship left, but no mariner would argue as such. The idea and spirit of the Tally Ho is alive in the rebuilt ship. She is as much the original as she is now or will be in the future.
Really it’s just a question of lineage or even idea. Much like a human with say cosmetic surgery to look like Barbie or Ken, the person is the same the bones are still there as it were. The name remains, the ship will change, or if you will the 4d path in time describes the ship through history.
Fair enough, I do think I was probably overly hastu with my um actually correction, especially given this looks like it is re refit, you have out that guyed me
Because politics impacts your life and everyone around you
It's pretty easy to filter out most political stuff on Lemmy and Reddit and similar platforms. Just subscribe to communities you like and stay out of All. If I go to All, I know what I'm in for. That's on me.
Respectfully I’d disagree. I can’t scroll through most of my meme or shitposting communities without seeing some politically flavored post, and there’s some kind of political comment on probably 85% of those posts. I get politics is an important topic but people often don’t have the class to keep politics out of the more “fun” communities. I keep to my subscribed list, block the spammers, but it’s fairly pervasive. I suppose that’s not all a bad thing as I get on social media a lot less atm. If you’ve got any additional tips though I’d love to hear them.
Thunder has keyword filters. These help but aren't perfect.
If you're using voyager you can filter words out, I've put a lot of the main political words in mine and only the odd one or 2 political posts get through.
Smells like "I can't be an asshole here cuz I'll get called out for it"
Same here. If I want to read and argue politics, I click on main. If I want to pass some time and see funny images, I stay on subscribed.
Where are the jeans and horses?
Ed Sheeran riding a horse in Britney's denim dress. His hair is shaped like Saddam. His eyes are two giant beans.
Didn't realize this was strictly about the US. Also left and right are relative directions. Something being left of something else. You can endlessly compare apples and oranges if you want, but I don't see the point.
Since you brought it up, I finally upgraded to windows 11 and hated it so I switched to Pop! linux since it's good for gaming. So far so good, Proton needs some tweaking on occasion but it's easy to do. Hell Rimworld and Planet Crafter run even better. I haven't tried anything else out yet.
Pop-Os gang!
Dude, Proton is so good for 2d gaming. I have, I think, 3X the number of Stardew Valley mods installed than when I had it on Win10. It's at the point where I am deciding on whether to downgrade my Windows SSD and just use it for firmware updates (though I might experiment with running the DualSense tool in wine, instead).
Life is political, get involved or get out of the way.
If we were blind on the politics / moral eye we'd be on reddit I reckon
That’s not public transportation!
It is if you leave the keys in the ignition.
I've started using keyword filters more and more. You'd be surprised how few you need to hide most of the political shouting.
Please provide me with tips!
"Slammed" and other hyperbolic words would probably be a good filter tbh. But politics words aren't too hard to concieve.
President, DEI, Tarriff, administration, immigration, controversial, budget
Just to name a few.
Thanks
insert [at this point I'm afraid to ask] meme
what is the "beans" thing?
Examples
https://lemm.ee/post/686310
https://lemmy.fmhy.ml/post/582011
If you look up beans you'll find a period of time where literally every meme were about beans
That and jeans for some reason
Vans (shoes and vehicles, yes) also have had their time in the sun
Ahh good times gooood times
Everything is inherently political and engaging with the world around us is more healthy in the long run.
Always hated the subtitles of Jeremy's line here. It's all it italics except the word "like". Suggesting either every word has emphasis except that one word, which is nonsense. Or that the emphasis is on "like", which doesn't work either in this context. Plus I remember this episode, and I'm pretty sure he put emphasis on "I" and "this"…
Jeremy Clarkson:
Haha, I don't get it. Does she say "I like this"?
Yes, with very weird emphasis.
if you look at lemmy,ml, grad, and hexbear yea its super political. and then you have .world politics too.
Is it?
I have no idea, I blocked everything I could by keyword just like I did with Reddit. I don't even get news here unless it's tech-related, just dogs, memes, and shitposts.
Goddamnit. I'm gonna get sooo many reports from this post.
The worst part for me? Fuckin beans.
A real human bean
Preach, my friend. It is actually the main reason I'm considering deleting my profile because part of the reason I left mainstream social media was to get away from politics and ideological lunatics, but this platform is fucking full of both. Even after filtering out as much of it as possible. Its like a cancer, spreading to every forum page on here.
Is there anywhere on the internet where people are just focusing on hobbies and interests that aren't mired in hatred and aggression?
You can just browse your subs, you don't have to browse All.
Technology and memes also frequently lead to political topics.
I mean, don't you think it's at least in part bc politics have invaded just about every aspect of science and tech?
Like I work in research, and over the last 5 months everything has changed. And it's still constantly changing.
I wish it didn't have to be so political, but a lot of people feel like it's not so much a choice to talk about politics. How do you talk about science/tech/healthcare without mentioning very abrupt and invasive policies? Often, I learn about things that will have an impact on my job here before I hear anything from my employer. It's kind of insane.
Outside of Lemmy and other social media there is no desire to create a connection to politics at every opportunity. The propaganda machine is real
So ... Off internet?
So there are sites other than social media on the internet...
... I don't follow?
I mean, literally it feels like it's overtaken my entire life, not just online. Everything.
I was kind of into politics before, but never to this extent, even during Trump's first term bc it's just fucked up everything for me.
My job, my plans for the future, my child's future, my family that are retired and dependent on social security and Mediciad, my friends that have had health issues.
It's not propaganda. It's literally just fucked me over, and ignoring it would just be like closing my eyes, sticking my fingers in my ears and pretending reality isn't real.
If that's not the case for you, I understand and kind of envy you, but I promise its the reality for a lot of people right now
You literally just brought politics into a discussion about not bringing up politics.
Originally the discussion was about politics always being brought up on lemmy for all topics even when it's not relevant to the topic. I said that it's not necessarily that people want to bring it up, but it's hard to talk about most things without bringing it up bc it's become so invasive in so many things.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you were arguing it's not actually invasive it's just propaganda making it seem invasive, no?
So I was explaining how it actually has been very invasive for me in response to the statement about it being propaganda.
We aren't all Americans
Ok
That also goes for the forums I have subbed to.
That's absolutely not been my experience. Political topics are normally deleted in other forums I've been on.
This is like saying that everything is religious and that everyone is religious and then making arguments for why everything can be turned into religious doctrin.
You're technically not wrong if you choose to have that lens on for everything, but it is a very limiting way of viewing the world and to someone like me, borderline madness.
It is also more of an uhm actually argument rather than engaging with the point I was making that I think most of us are aware of. When someone says they would like to avoid politics they are more often than not referring to the aggressive and argumentative stupidity that occurs between people when certain inflamed topics - usually current events in politics - are brought up. It is pretty easy to discern that from anyone who says "can we just not talk about politics right now?"
Much like dicks and religion, some people just don't want that shit shoved down their fucking throats constantly because it is rarely if ever productive and beneficial to anyone. It is, at most a passing contest or an attempt to shame and attack people who sees the world differently from yourself.
I'll try and check it out when I have the time to dive in. I'm honestly leaning more and one toward just cutting the chord and not using the internet for anything other than work related stuff and watching youtube on the DuckDuckGo player. The current state of the internet is for bots and hysterical political people and I'm honestly over it at this point. Even on this knockout place from the brief glance I had, it also looked like a very political place so eh.
For what it's worth, I am very appreciative of you making me aware of Knockout as an alternative. 🤗
not trying to intrude or provide any valid critique or communicable perspective necessarily, but I was wondering what the concept of “Political” means, in terms you could best use to describe the feeling/notion to someone? I can think of a couple criteria in mind that I would associate as making a topic that was not otherwise related directly to activities of some level of some government somewhere, suddenly seem “Political” from my perspective. I am curious mostly just what criteria you might use to filter topics or general ideas?
if I sound like a bot it’s because spectrum disorder not autofill so read carefully for L’s sake
Anything that fits into ideological screeching.
There are plenty of topics out there that are political in nature that I do not mind, but I do mind the combative, aggressive, reductive and unintelligent discourse that has become the norm online. To me it is not actual discussion nor is it people wishing for a better world. It is just angry people screeching into the void and attacking anyone who disagrees with them and calling them whatever slur they can come up with.
I find it childish, unproductive and stupid and I don't want to see or hear it. If I wanted to rot my brain I could just drill a hole in my skull and pour some feces in there. It's the same effect that political screeching has.
Actions have always “spoken” louder than the thought we have, especially the thoughts which some people may choose to put into words in various contexts. few creatures in existence are brave enough for actual honest self reflection beyond some personal threshold of comfort which they have established for themselves, and wish to venture no further beyond. I think people who don’t recognize any of what I am talking about above, or who may be narcissistically excluding themselves from consideration while agreeing with the sentiment, are some of the people who end up screeching as you have described, over topics that they have yet to delve deeply into, as they fear being perceived as amateur or even novice, while never even fully recognizing that the Dunning-Kruger effect simply must apply to themselves as well, to some degree, in any area of study that they are actively pursuing with passion.
Whatever their reasons for screeching, it's not something I care to be around.
We have all screeched at some point, especially online. I'm not innocent either, I have just grown out of it and seek to engage with people in more productive ways.
It is one of the reasons I came here in the first place because silly me believed this place would be full of rational and mature people and they are certainly here too, but holy shit have I been overall disappointed in the tone on this platform. To me it is no different than Meta, Twitter and Reddit and maybe I was a fool for believing there would be a platform online where people act normal and are able to have a discussion without becoming hysterical and flinging insults as the first measure of rebuttal.
Awwwww, does the privileged baby not like seeing that the world sucks?
Too fucking bad, whiner
The world does not suck, you are just a negative nancy
Lol, wrong. Good job outing yourself, Nazi