This is a bit disingenuous. When listed like that on food it's because all of those were added in individually to create an ultra processed amalgamation resembling food. Otherwise ingredients would just say bannana.
Processed foods have been clinically shown to be harmful to us. Bannanas seem to be okay
I wouldn't call bread or yoghurt prepared instead of processed personally though, they've been through multiple chemical and biological processes.
Ultra processes foods is something that tends to be more appropriate I think. That's stuff like chips or fast food. Though even that I consider fine to eat in moderation, and I, personally, do. Though I agree it would be better if I completely cut those out. I just tend to eat a lot of pre-made foods due to disability reasons (frozen pizzas, pastas, and the like)
But yeah, I do know that the US has some very lax food laws unfortunately. So maybe that is a big part of the difference
It is a death of a thousand cuts for these cuntz in the imperial core. It is trendy now to be a non smoker. Or atleast in this feed... Why don't ya'll now start bitching about fat people.... then all of us to the gas chambers... There are a lot of annoyances in life get over it turdz. Why don't you do a gender reveal and burn down a forest..... or better yet get popped in the nutz. Turdz I tell yah just turdz
All this woke ass anti cigarette shit! Y'all have obviously never enjoyed a cup of coffee and a smoke on a still summer morn. A post coital puff as your lover plays her fingers through your chest hair like smoke on the water. Good lord I miss cigarettes!
But seriously never smoke, it smells terrible, will ruin your health, and is an all around terrible proposition.
Yeah, it was fun for a while. The good thing is, so many people stopped smoking in the last few years, that smoking stopped to be this special social thing.
I never smoked, but had to hang out with smokers outside the office building at my first job, if I wanted a bit of break and chat with colleagues. I usually brought a glass of water with me.
I quit by vaping off of cigarettes, and then gradually reducing the nicotine in vape juice until I was vaping 0 nicotine for a couple of months, then stopped altogether. Been nicotine free for several years now, and no cravings.
Meanwhile idiots like me ended up vaping all day long and when I went back to cigarettes my tolerance was through the roof and I smoked more than I ever did.
Gotta taper the nicotine down, even if you vape like a chimney out of habit, that way when you do try a cigarette again the nicotine is overpowering and gross
True! I was out of my element last year and ran out of juice due to poor planning. Resorted to sharing a smoke and felt like garbage for the next two days.
I do still miss the smell, though. Probably just nostalgia from feeling like a Cool Guy for the first time in my life choking down a Camel unfiltered behind the 7-11.
There's still hope. I still chain vape, but the amount of nicotine I use is but a whisper. It's entirely a routine at this point. I'm figuring out positive actions I can do whenever I feel the need to suck on my robot dick.
I feel bad for people who have never been addicted to anything, because they're the real losers. You want to know why? Because they don't know what it's like to really want something - and then get it again and again and again. (Marc Maron)
But seriously, the one thing I'm proud of in my life is that I was able to quit smoking. Hard, but so worth it!
If your lungs are making that much noise you might have a medical condition that you should go get checked out, lungs aren't supposed to be that noisy.
Many people that smoke are already mentally unbalanced. Making them a shamed pariah is doing little for their mental health, it is just forcing them to hide yet another bit of their unhappiness.
Not smoking is healthier, no doubt, but the majority of people that still do it undoubtedly have enough shame going on. Self hate comes into play, as well.
Many people wouldn't mind other people smoking, as long as it doesn't impact non-smokers. But the thing is, smokers aren't really all that considerate about non-smokers. I attended a couple festivals over the past week. It's really annoying when you stand in packed crowd as a non-smoker and someone starts smoking. Sure, we are outside, but it literally makes breathing harder, especially for asthma patients.
I don't really see a way in which smokers and non-smokers can coexists without the smoker impacting the non-smoker. Even if you only smoke outside of the restaurant/bar, it will still be annoying and unhealthy to people entering the restaurant or bar.
I'm very curious with how things will develop in France, where they banned smoking in area's where children are present, which is virtually everywhere.
I completely agree, ads like this that say " it's bad for you", "you'll hurt the ones you love", "your family will miss you", it's all just anti-suicide pepole thinking they're soo much better than everyone else
blowing ones brains out shouldn't be portrayed as a bad thing, we need change and show we respect and accept suicide!
Also as a child of a heavy smoker, fuuuuuuck people who smoke around others, i don't care if you want to harm yourself, but stay the fuck away from other people while you do it
I live with two roommates in a flat. One of them smokes. Of course, he has to smoke indoors as well, as if the whole place is his (we got two balconies btw) . Can't describe when I get home after a long day in uni to come back to a flat that smells like a smoking friendly bar.
I feel like this should've been discussed before moving in together. Still not too late to talk though - if he's even a little bit considerate, he'll agree to only smoke outside.
I live alone and actively wish I could die. I'm not hurting anyone but myself.
I am glad that it's not cool with the younger generations, and that the whole vaping fad kinda died back.
Still though, the amount of self righteousness and lack of empathy from some non smokers really makes me glad that I will never have to hang out with those types of people.
Addiction is a hell of a thing, and when the alternative is worse than quitting, it's extremely difficult to quit.
You shouldn't express your suicidal ideations in public. It's dangerous for other people. If someone feels bad for you and tries to help you avoid living longer without smoking, they could get in lots of trouble. You're playing with fire.
There are a lot of people on this website who believe in the right to die and would feel bad, seeing you suffering like this. They'd want to talk about your right to die with you. But they could get in trouble for that, because the pro-life people see that as encouraging suicide. You're putting the pro-choice people in the difficult position of choosing whether to try to help you, or look after themselves.
I feel like this is you fighting phantoms. I highly doubt anyone would want to actively help someone die instead like, referring them to a psychologist or therapist or something
Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)
Having to deal with the consequences of dropping a lifelong addiction most likely.
Quitting smoking fucking sucks. You don't start to notice the positive effects of quitting for weeks after your last smoke, and you don't realize until then how much the cigarettes are affecting your health. So it can really feel like you're putting yourself through hell for very little benefit. When just having a cigarette feels like it can fix all symptoms you're having now, it's hard to keep going.
I've quit smoking for a decade now, but am still a nicotine addict. I'm glad I'm not coughing up yellow phlegm and short of breath all the time, but life becomes hell and I become irrational if I haven't had my dose.
I wish I'd never started.
Wish in one hand shit in the other. See which fills up first.
the amount of self righteousness and lack of empathy from some non smokers really makes me glad that I will never have to hang out with those types of people.
Youre seriously trying to guilt trip non-smokers here? Sure, addiction is horrible and some people are really struggling, but the majority of smokers I know dont give a shit that theyre actively killing others by blowing smoke into their faces on the street. Its ignorant and toxic behavior which is tolerated because of decades of brainwashing by the industry.
I have very little empathy for people who choose hurting others for their own convenience. Maybe start with empathy for poor people that struggle surviving because they are being exploited, or people that are systemically suppressed, then move on to empathy for smokers and other criminals.
I hope you get better, but your struggles dont excuse the millions of smokers actively harming their environments without a care in the world.
I'm not trying to guilt trip anyone. The self righteous superior people clearly dgaf what I think and the feeling is mutual.
.... killing others by blowing smoke into their faces on the street.
Ah yes, the age old tradition of going up to a non smoker and blowing smoke directly in their faces. Fun times.
I've been a smoker for a very long time and I've never seen that happen, unless you count shotgunning cannabis, and that was always consensual.
Let's get real for just a second. What you actually mean is occasionally you catch a whiff of cigarette smoke while outside. I'm sure you don't go stand next to smoker, and I'm positive that they don't "blow smoke into your face".
Even in my backwards ass state, you can't smoke indoors in public places, so it must be outside.
If you are so concerned about your health that you think simply smelling cigarette smoke and walking away will kill you, I sure hope you never leave the house, attend a BBQ, or go camping, because you will likely be exposed to other smells just as likely to kill you as that.
I have very little empathy for people...
That much is clear
Maybe start with empathy for poor people that struggle surviving because they are being exploited, or people who are systematically suppressed
Who says I don't? Who says I don't fall into those categories myself? Having empathy for one group of people does not preclude you from having empathy for others. I've never shot heroin or smoked crack, but I feel bad for people struggling with those addictions.
I don't condone smoking indoors where non smokers live or around non smokers if they are outdoors and can't walk away for some reason, I just don't think someone should be treated as if they are human excrement simply because they are a smoker. You don't agree, that's fine as long as I'm not forced to be around you or have to listen to your sermons.
I'm not trying to guilt trip anyone. The self righteous superior people clearly dgaf what I think and the feeling is mutual.
There you go again with the fucking victim role and guilt tripping. Dont even need to read the rest of your bullshit. Maybe think about if your attitude plays a role in your miserable life.
Edit: I still ended up reading the rest and your way of twisting words and literally cutting my quotes to twist their meaning is truly disgusting. Any shred of sympathy I had for you with your original comment is gone. Im glad you probably dont bother many people in real life, assuming anything you wrote is true which doesnt even seem likely anymore.
Also read up on second hand smoke, because you obviously havent heard of it.
Once again, I'm not guilt tripping anyone. I'm just stating my opinion. If you don't think your post comes off as self righteous and superior, I'm not sure you know what those words mean.
I also never claimed to be a victim.
You had zero sympathy in the first place, you said it yourself, and once again I really don't give a single fuck what you think of me. I don't know how I can make that any more clear to you.
I have read up on second hand smoke, which is why I don't smoke around other people. I rarely even see other people unless I'm shopping, and you can't smoke in stores.
If you think that the studies on second hand smoke say that simply catching a whiff of cigarette smoke every once in a while will instantly kill you, you should probably reread them. Those were about prolonged exposure in confined areas, not walking past some dude on the street.
Maybe think about if your attitude plays a role in your miserable life.
We've already established how you are perfect and completely flawless in every way. I'm sure your sanctimonious attitude contributes to a perfect life full of joy and happiness. Good for you.
Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you. I don’t have time in my day. It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there. The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.
Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you.
I know there is and it is perfectly valid to judge me for those things, just like I am judging others for their hurtful choices. Im not saying all smokers are bad people per se, like I said I know a lot of them and thats a part of them I dont like just like there are parts of me they dont like.
It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there.
That is some major whataboutism and Im pretty sure you know that.
The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.
I know but that doesnt really make it better. People driving huge trucks everywhere dont do it just to pollute the environment or hit kids, but its still horrible on a greater scale.
weird you ask for people to have empathy for poor and struggling people but then hate on smokers when those people are almost always smokers themselves - genuinely you'll be hard pressed to find a struggling person that doesn't smoke
maybe there's something more to knowingly poising oneself for the fleeting feeling of control and comfort that doesn't have anything to do with "people who choose hurting others for their own convenience"?
I understand your point, but Id say empathy is not tied to a person but more to a topic or situation. So while the two sets of people might intersect, (my) empathy for them originates from the topic theyre associated with. I would say I have empathy for people struggling and at the same time, I dont have empathy for people giving others cancer. Some of them might be the same people and I have empathy for part of them and not for another. I dont know if Im wording it well and maybe Im just misusing the term.
Also, I specifically worded it like that to not include all smokers, because like I said many are struggling with their addiction, but its not a majority from my experience. And yes, the tobacco industry is to blame for normalising smoking over the decades, but educating yourself, especially when it comes to drug use, is everyones responsibility.
Like I said I know a lot of smokers and many of them just dont give a fuck about how it affects others, but Im not saying that makes them bad people period. Its a part of them I dont like and there are other parts that I like. Just like I do lots of stuff that others probably dont like about me.
I might need to reread my comment because it probably sounded like I hated the people themselves for one of their habits, which is not what I was trying to say but I have pretty strong feelings when it comes to smoking.
I appreciate you explaining your point - I guess I was just trying to say that smokers generally don't smoke just to spite/give others cancer - and that it's usually a coping strategy - and sure that's not always the case and there are rich and well off smokers as well
I guess I just wanted to note that most smokers don't choose to smoke but do it because they're addicted - not just to the nicotine but also to the feeling of control to immediately calm yourself down (I'm not saying its a healthy or sustainable coping mechanism but an understandable one)
Yes, Im well aware that giving people cancer is not the main goal of smokers, but its a byproduct most are willing to ignore (there are many alternatives that dont produce second hand smoke). And at the end of the day, the outcome doesnt change whether they do it intentionally or not.
Smokers are still allowed to stink up your food outside. So you may enjoy your food inside in the summer.
Also restaurants are allowed to have an inside smoking section. Most of the time that means you still get to ‘enjoy’ the stink.
Lastly let’s not forget that smokers, when forced to smoke outside, will almost always do so right on the doorstep. So that the stink gets sucked in and everybody gets to enjoy a good second hand smoke.
When I was a teenager in the 90s, I once dated someone whom I thought otherwise to be a smart and collected girl.
Then I watched her and her friend rummage the side streets for half smoked cigarette butts that people had disposed of out their car windows. The bliss in their eyes when they lit up a half smoked one.
Looking through the eyes of an adult now, it makes me wonder why I continued to try and strike a habit myself over the next 2 years. Fortunate for me, it never seemed like my drug of choice, though I did find others.
Being addicted to anything will make you realize just how fragile “giving a shit” really is.
Yeah, this worked well for me, too. The generic one you mention also had less side effects for me. There's still the vivid dreams / nightmares, but less intense.
From Chantix /Champix I recollect the spider dreams and floor crumbling beneath me.
Still increases your electricity bill. Why can't the smoker just have the common decency to not smoke next to an open window? I know I never do, it's just rude.
That feeling will disappear eventually. I rarely even think about it even when I see smokers now. If I'm out drinking though that's a different story...
I agree with @RedditIsDeddit , it does not help. It may even make things worse. All this meme does is make me feel misunderstood and despised by others (While some of them don't even understand what I actually go through). Tobacco is a terrible addiction. I quited for two years but fell again when I broke up with my ex. During those two years I dreamt of smoking at least once a week and gained 15kg. I grew up in France in the 90s and then the country did a pretty shitty job protecting kids (I started buying cigarettes for myself at 14 and it was easy because the tobacco shop owner didn't bat an eye). I think the solution is prevention and children's protection (by preventing access) to ensure that they don't start. For those who already smoke the best is kind support not guilt and disdain. (And total bans don't help either, we just feel left out when the government who now bans us from every place and treats us like awful weak-willed bastards initially incitated us to smoke two decades ago with adds and easy access).
Nearly all of my family smokes, and I fucking hate it. There were countless times, as far as I can remember, when I tried to do something with my dad, it was nice for a while, then he goes for a 'quick smoke' and stays there forever.
I’ve read last week that tobacco is radium rich and decomposes to polonium and radon - cigarettes are radioactive and it contributes to its nasty effects on the lungs
I actually enjoy a good cigar every once in a great while. I do not like smelling like smoke so I either go outside or to the "smoke shack" in my basement which has a fan that sucks all the smoke outside.
As a tobacco fiend I couldn't ever get into smoking cigs. The only time in my life I've smoked consistently was when I was extra depressed and trying to microdose suicide. Guess I'm lucky
I remember people talking about how the other smokers at work were all the cool people. And like, yeah, you spend several minutes several times a day hanging out outside with them, with no work and nothing to do but shoot the shit. Of course you like them better, you spend way more time with them.
Also you can all bond over your common terrible life choices, what's not to like?
I don't smoke any more, but I love the smell of nice tobacco. I was late for work the other day because a crusty old man was smoking a roll up if Dutch tobacco and I couldn't resist chatting about it.
Halfsvere Shag. Finely shredded rolling tobacco like Drum or Ball Shag. I rolled my own smokes before I quit. The aroma, in my opinion, is dreamy, especially compared to American cigarettes.
If Bali Shag released incense sticks, I'd seriously consider purchasing them.
Dear Turdz,
Get over yourselves plastic taco bell redbull eatindrinking turdz... Not everyone hot boxes people around them when they smoke. Some of us are a clean people. Some of you smell and look like shit anyways.
Sincerely,
Eat My Arse
What an insensitive and utterly vile post. If you understood anything about addiction, which I'll remind you is a health disorder and not a personal choice, you would be ashamed of yourself. Some of us and our families are really struggling with huge impacts to physical and mental health, our entire lives, from addictions like this. Hope posting this made you feel better about yourself tho 👍
Mental inconvenience takes a number of forms, one of them is nicotine addiction. Some people with more standard brains than you and I can't comprehend why we would regularly consume literal poison to feel better instead of, I don't know, watching a Disney film or running until they sweat and smell.
I have switched over to a vape and mix my own flavorless, scentless juice. I still feel like a pariah when I use it, and stick to alleys and back lots.
I truly wish vape culture hadn't had that bro moment of douche bags chucking clouds in theaters and making a fuss when imbibing indoors.
I'd be slightly less embarrassed of the pile of addictions I've become.
It’s alright they never had to suffer from the utter brainwash advertising we had. They are brainwashed the other way. It’s probably a good thing. World used to be a smoke cloud.
What does smoking a cigarette here or there has to do with addiction?
Cigarettes aren't the only way you can get addicted, you know. You made the connection between cigarettes and addictions, here in this post.
Also wouldn't it be the best advice against addiction find the will in oneself to stop doing it? If addicted smokers know what their cigarettes do for themselves and others, then they might want to try search for help, to get them off their addiction?
What does smoking a cigarette here or there has to do with addiction?
Where did I or the original post mention anything about occasional smokers? This post is offensive to those struggling from lifelong addiction to cigarettes, which is almost never a choice.
Also wouldn't it be the best advice against addiction find the will in oneself to stop doing it? If addicted smokers know what their cigarettes do for themselves and others, then they might want to try search for help, to get them off their addiction?
Gee, that's such great advice! Why didn't the lifelong addict think of that one themselves? You just singlehandedly solved addiction.
Noone chooses being addicted to cigarettes. It's a mental health disorder just like being addicted to fentanyl or heroin, and a crippling one at that for some. Please educate yourself about what addiction is before defending posts like this. What you are doing is similar to shitting on people for "choosing" their sexuality or gender.
Where did I or the original post mention anything about occasional smokers? This post is offensive to those struggling from lifelong addiction to cigarettes, which is almost never a choice.
Where did they mention addiction?
They mention cigarettes, and their bad affects on the people using them and the people around that. Stating that they are bad should not be offensive, because that is stating the facts.
If they are offended by that... IDK. That is something they have to work through themselves.
Gee, that's such great advice! Why didn't the lifelong addict think of that one themselves? You just singlehandedly solved addiction.
You are misrepresenting what I said. I said that to get over an addiction you first have to want it. And you say: Just wanting to stop is not enough, and I agree.
Noone chooses being addicted to cigarettes. It's a mental health disorder just like being addicted to fentanyl or heroin, and a crippling one at that for some. Please educate yourself about what addiction is before defending posts like this. What you are doing is similar to shitting on people for "choosing" their sexuality or gender.
True, however people don't just wake up one day and be addicted. They have to take it first (willingly or unwillingly), putting a social stigma on the act of using these addictive substances, can at least prevent some people of getting accidentally addicted.
So I would be in favor of supporting people getting out of their addiction, while preventing people to get addicted, by showing what is bad about these drugs and trying to fight against the social component of "taking them makes you cool".
What are you fighting for? Finding ways of being offended?
I used to work with a guy that smoked and refused to wear a seat-belt. He carried a gun though, just in case his life was in danger.
So if he loses control of his car and is heading at a tree, he can shoot the tree in self defense.
Ah yes. The Maple Doctrine.
"Failure to Stop" drill.
You're being ridiculous. Of course the gun is to offset his momentum. Couple shots should do it. \s
My work buddy will only eat meals made from single-ingredient foods because of "all the extra shit they put in there", and smokes a pack a week.
Your work buddy isn't wrong with that tbh
So no banana then, huh?
This is a bit disingenuous. When listed like that on food it's because all of those were added in individually to create an ultra processed amalgamation resembling food. Otherwise ingredients would just say bannana.
Processed foods have been clinically shown to be harmful to us. Bannanas seem to be okay
I guess it still leaves store-bought bread out I guess. Or yoghurt. Or milk
But nah, I really do think it's extreme. Pre-made food isn't bad for you
Either that or I'm just being European, idk
I think there's a difference between prepared food and processed food. It can be a blurry line though.
Maybe it is just being European though. American food standards are trash. The stuff allowed in our food is insane
I wouldn't call bread or yoghurt prepared instead of processed personally though, they've been through multiple chemical and biological processes.
Ultra processes foods is something that tends to be more appropriate I think. That's stuff like chips or fast food. Though even that I consider fine to eat in moderation, and I, personally, do. Though I agree it would be better if I completely cut those out. I just tend to eat a lot of pre-made foods due to disability reasons (frozen pizzas, pastas, and the like)
But yeah, I do know that the US has some very lax food laws unfortunately. So maybe that is a big part of the difference
I thought you guys were talking about processed foods. Like potatoes > bread, that kind of thing.
I process my non-processed foods in hopes that it will kill me quick quicker. :p
I’m so dark and cold inside. You wouldn’t understand.
Huht huht huht
It is a death of a thousand cuts for these cuntz in the imperial core. It is trendy now to be a non smoker. Or atleast in this feed... Why don't ya'll now start bitching about fat people.... then all of us to the gas chambers... There are a lot of annoyances in life get over it turdz. Why don't you do a gender reveal and burn down a forest..... or better yet get popped in the nutz. Turdz I tell yah just turdz
When he sees that nicotine feller, he’s going to shoot him right between the eyes.
Poor Nic (a teen):
Yeah! Merica!All this woke ass anti cigarette shit! Y'all have obviously never enjoyed a cup of coffee and a smoke on a still summer morn. A post coital puff as your lover plays her fingers through your chest hair like smoke on the water. Good lord I miss cigarettes!
But seriously never smoke, it smells terrible, will ruin your health, and is an all around terrible proposition.
Yeah, it was fun for a while. The good thing is, so many people stopped smoking in the last few years, that smoking stopped to be this special social thing.
I never smoked, but had to hang out with smokers outside the office building at my first job, if I wanted a bit of break and chat with colleagues. I usually brought a glass of water with me.
Happy that this is not the case anymore.
I quit by vaping off of cigarettes, and then gradually reducing the nicotine in vape juice until I was vaping 0 nicotine for a couple of months, then stopped altogether. Been nicotine free for several years now, and no cravings.
This is how I finally quit for good.
Meanwhile idiots like me ended up vaping all day long and when I went back to cigarettes my tolerance was through the roof and I smoked more than I ever did.
Gotta taper the nicotine down, even if you vape like a chimney out of habit, that way when you do try a cigarette again the nicotine is overpowering and gross
True! I was out of my element last year and ran out of juice due to poor planning. Resorted to sharing a smoke and felt like garbage for the next two days.
I do still miss the smell, though. Probably just nostalgia from feeling like a Cool Guy for the first time in my life choking down a Camel unfiltered behind the 7-11.
There's still hope. I still chain vape, but the amount of nicotine I use is but a whisper. It's entirely a routine at this point. I'm figuring out positive actions I can do whenever I feel the need to suck on my robot dick.
Asexual non smoker here. I have bad news for you:
The urge of sucking robot dick is truly universal and inevitable.
I'm hoping we make First Contact soon so I can make a healthy transition from Robot Dick to Alien Dick.
Sorry, that's insensitive.
Xenophallus.
But seriously, the one thing I'm proud of in my life is that I was able to quit smoking. Hard, but so worth it!
Same.
But whooooo damn do I occasionally miss having a smoke.
I've not smoked for more years than I smoked at this point, but the habit is in me. My brain only remembers the good parts.
Yup, this is me with both alcohol and cigarettes. And it seems like the worse things are going for me, the better going back to it sounds.
Still I'm so glad I don't have to worry about keeping dosed anymore.
I love drinking until I’ve had a drink, and then I do that again every single day. I don’t drink a lot but it’s still aggravating.
My mother quit smoking 25 years ago and still has panic attacks about it every few weeks.
That pisses her off so she won’t ever smoke again.
Well done my dude
Thanks! ☺️
Why smoke when you can be addicted to the superiority complex that apparently comes with not smoking?
It's not a complex if it's true.
I would like to submit exhibit A in to evidence your honor
I can't hear you over my 100% lung capacity. I am breathing so good right now. You wouldn't even believe.
If your lungs are making that much noise you might have a medical condition that you should go get checked out, lungs aren't supposed to be that noisy.
It was clearly a figure of speech
Reading comprehension is one of the first things to go with acute lack of oxygen
Should check that out with doctor, just saying
Take a deep breath, it was just a joke.
You sound like you need a cigarette.
Talking about taking deep breaths...
This guy BREATHS
Yeah that shit annoys the fuck out of me. Society really needs to change the way we treat people who smoke.
They did... and it caused most people to stop smoking. Building that social stigma was like one of the best health marketing campaigns in history.
I say this as someone who used to and still does smoke time to time.
Many people that smoke are already mentally unbalanced. Making them a shamed pariah is doing little for their mental health, it is just forcing them to hide yet another bit of their unhappiness.
Not smoking is healthier, no doubt, but the majority of people that still do it undoubtedly have enough shame going on. Self hate comes into play, as well.
I smoke. Shame and self hatred is exactly right.
Gives you more lung space to inhale your own farts!
Even our farts smell better when you don't smoke.
You're both being pretty shitty guests, please just leave my daughter's birthday party.
You're going to have to call the police, buddy.
Many people wouldn't mind other people smoking, as long as it doesn't impact non-smokers. But the thing is, smokers aren't really all that considerate about non-smokers. I attended a couple festivals over the past week. It's really annoying when you stand in packed crowd as a non-smoker and someone starts smoking. Sure, we are outside, but it literally makes breathing harder, especially for asthma patients.
I don't really see a way in which smokers and non-smokers can coexists without the smoker impacting the non-smoker. Even if you only smoke outside of the restaurant/bar, it will still be annoying and unhealthy to people entering the restaurant or bar.
I'm very curious with how things will develop in France, where they banned smoking in area's where children are present, which is virtually everywhere.
I completely agree, ads like this that say " it's bad for you", "you'll hurt the ones you love", "your family will miss you", it's all just anti-suicide pepole thinking they're soo much better than everyone else
blowing ones brains out shouldn't be portrayed as a bad thing, we need change and show we respect and accept suicide!
Also as a child of a heavy smoker, fuuuuuuck people who smoke around others, i don't care if you want to harm yourself, but stay the fuck away from other people while you do it
Dude you’re projecting your daddy issues onto other people and being incredibly up front about it.
Didn't say it was my father, are you projecting your daddy issues perhaps?
Turns out we all were low resolution projectors
Surprise I guess
I live with two roommates in a flat. One of them smokes. Of course, he has to smoke indoors as well, as if the whole place is his (we got two balconies btw) . Can't describe when I get home after a long day in uni to come back to a flat that smells like a smoking friendly bar.
yeah that's a dick move. I'm a smoker but i only smoke tobacco outdoors. i like being in a space i can smoke indoors, but it's not gonna be my place
So start smoking and you won’t even notice.
Seriously though, as a lifelong smoker I do my best to keep it from being anyone else’s problem.
I agree. There is a difference between being a smoker and being an inconsiderate dick.
I won't lie though, judging from how much of the litter where I live is cigarettes butts and packs, there seems to be a rather large overlap.
Add people who drink Tim Horton's coffee and that's a solid 80% of the litter I see.
(Am smoker, will carry smelly butts rather than throw them on the street)
I feel like this should've been discussed before moving in together. Still not too late to talk though - if he's even a little bit considerate, he'll agree to only smoke outside.
I live alone and actively wish I could die. I'm not hurting anyone but myself.
I am glad that it's not cool with the younger generations, and that the whole vaping fad kinda died back.
Still though, the amount of self righteousness and lack of empathy from some non smokers really makes me glad that I will never have to hang out with those types of people.
Addiction is a hell of a thing, and when the alternative is worse than quitting, it's extremely difficult to quit.
What are you referring to?
If I quit, I might live longer. Life is hell.
Don't know what’s going through in your life but have this, if you want to: 🤗
I appreciate it. 🫂
same. I'm not quite at the point of suicide yet but I definitely don't need to live into my goddamn
80's50's. not here, not now.A fellow meseeks
You shouldn't express your suicidal ideations in public. It's dangerous for other people. If someone feels bad for you and tries to help you avoid living longer without smoking, they could get in lots of trouble. You're playing with fire.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Could you explain what you mean?
There are a lot of people on this website who believe in the right to die and would feel bad, seeing you suffering like this. They'd want to talk about your right to die with you. But they could get in trouble for that, because the pro-life people see that as encouraging suicide. You're putting the pro-choice people in the difficult position of choosing whether to try to help you, or look after themselves.
I feel like this is you fighting phantoms. I highly doubt anyone would want to actively help someone die instead like, referring them to a psychologist or therapist or something
I think the right to die is an important freedom. A society can't be free without it. That's all I have to say, I wanna avoid drama
Isn't it better to give people a reason to not die, instead of like, killing people?
I'm just some Lemmy user, I can't fix the world
Yeah and it's clearly the way women choose to dress that excuses men's predatory behavior /s
Your example is pretty bad because it undermines their point. Womens choice of clothing doesnt excuse predators, but it still puts many in a tough situation by tempting them (not voluntarily but for them its a temptation). Which is in no way saying the women are at fault but unwanted outcomes can be avoided by their chioce. So you could live your life making sure others arent influenced in a negative way by your behavior or you could go to the limits of yoir freedom disregarding any consequences for others as long as youre on the legal side. The answer should be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but who can say where exactly. (I mean many do pretend they know, but its obviously subjective)
How exactly would they "Get in trouble"? Are we talking like bans or something?
For the record if anyone is in that position, I encourage you to PM me and we could talk there. I certainly don't want to cause problems for anyone.
Having to deal with the consequences of dropping a lifelong addiction most likely.
Quitting smoking fucking sucks. You don't start to notice the positive effects of quitting for weeks after your last smoke, and you don't realize until then how much the cigarettes are affecting your health. So it can really feel like you're putting yourself through hell for very little benefit. When just having a cigarette feels like it can fix all symptoms you're having now, it's hard to keep going.
I've quit smoking for a decade now, but am still a nicotine addict. I'm glad I'm not coughing up yellow phlegm and short of breath all the time, but life becomes hell and I become irrational if I haven't had my dose.
I wish I'd never started.
Wish in one hand shit in the other. See which fills up first.
Youre seriously trying to guilt trip non-smokers here? Sure, addiction is horrible and some people are really struggling, but the majority of smokers I know dont give a shit that theyre actively killing others by blowing smoke into their faces on the street. Its ignorant and toxic behavior which is tolerated because of decades of brainwashing by the industry.
I have very little empathy for people who choose hurting others for their own convenience. Maybe start with empathy for poor people that struggle surviving because they are being exploited, or people that are systemically suppressed, then move on to empathy for smokers and other criminals.
I hope you get better, but your struggles dont excuse the millions of smokers actively harming their environments without a care in the world.
I'm not trying to guilt trip anyone. The self righteous superior people clearly dgaf what I think and the feeling is mutual.
Ah yes, the age old tradition of going up to a non smoker and blowing smoke directly in their faces. Fun times.
I've been a smoker for a very long time and I've never seen that happen, unless you count shotgunning cannabis, and that was always consensual.
Let's get real for just a second. What you actually mean is occasionally you catch a whiff of cigarette smoke while outside. I'm sure you don't go stand next to smoker, and I'm positive that they don't "blow smoke into your face".
Even in my backwards ass state, you can't smoke indoors in public places, so it must be outside.
If you are so concerned about your health that you think simply smelling cigarette smoke and walking away will kill you, I sure hope you never leave the house, attend a BBQ, or go camping, because you will likely be exposed to other smells just as likely to kill you as that.
That much is clear
Who says I don't? Who says I don't fall into those categories myself? Having empathy for one group of people does not preclude you from having empathy for others. I've never shot heroin or smoked crack, but I feel bad for people struggling with those addictions.
I don't condone smoking indoors where non smokers live or around non smokers if they are outdoors and can't walk away for some reason, I just don't think someone should be treated as if they are human excrement simply because they are a smoker. You don't agree, that's fine as long as I'm not forced to be around you or have to listen to your sermons.
There you go again with the fucking victim role and guilt tripping. Dont even need to read the rest of your bullshit. Maybe think about if your attitude plays a role in your miserable life.
Edit: I still ended up reading the rest and your way of twisting words and literally cutting my quotes to twist their meaning is truly disgusting. Any shred of sympathy I had for you with your original comment is gone. Im glad you probably dont bother many people in real life, assuming anything you wrote is true which doesnt even seem likely anymore.
Also read up on second hand smoke, because you obviously havent heard of it.
Once again, I'm not guilt tripping anyone. I'm just stating my opinion. If you don't think your post comes off as self righteous and superior, I'm not sure you know what those words mean. I also never claimed to be a victim.
You had zero sympathy in the first place, you said it yourself, and once again I really don't give a single fuck what you think of me. I don't know how I can make that any more clear to you.
I have read up on second hand smoke, which is why I don't smoke around other people. I rarely even see other people unless I'm shopping, and you can't smoke in stores.
If you think that the studies on second hand smoke say that simply catching a whiff of cigarette smoke every once in a while will instantly kill you, you should probably reread them. Those were about prolonged exposure in confined areas, not walking past some dude on the street.
We've already established how you are perfect and completely flawless in every way. I'm sure your sanctimonious attitude contributes to a perfect life full of joy and happiness. Good for you.
Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you. I don’t have time in my day. It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there. The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.
I know there is and it is perfectly valid to judge me for those things, just like I am judging others for their hurtful choices. Im not saying all smokers are bad people per se, like I said I know a lot of them and thats a part of them I dont like just like there are parts of me they dont like.
That is some major whataboutism and Im pretty sure you know that.
I know but that doesnt really make it better. People driving huge trucks everywhere dont do it just to pollute the environment or hit kids, but its still horrible on a greater scale.
weird you ask for people to have empathy for poor and struggling people but then hate on smokers when those people are almost always smokers themselves - genuinely you'll be hard pressed to find a struggling person that doesn't smoke
maybe there's something more to knowingly poising oneself for the fleeting feeling of control and comfort that doesn't have anything to do with "people who choose hurting others for their own convenience"?
I understand your point, but Id say empathy is not tied to a person but more to a topic or situation. So while the two sets of people might intersect, (my) empathy for them originates from the topic theyre associated with. I would say I have empathy for people struggling and at the same time, I dont have empathy for people giving others cancer. Some of them might be the same people and I have empathy for part of them and not for another. I dont know if Im wording it well and maybe Im just misusing the term.
Also, I specifically worded it like that to not include all smokers, because like I said many are struggling with their addiction, but its not a majority from my experience. And yes, the tobacco industry is to blame for normalising smoking over the decades, but educating yourself, especially when it comes to drug use, is everyones responsibility.
Like I said I know a lot of smokers and many of them just dont give a fuck about how it affects others, but Im not saying that makes them bad people period. Its a part of them I dont like and there are other parts that I like. Just like I do lots of stuff that others probably dont like about me.
I might need to reread my comment because it probably sounded like I hated the people themselves for one of their habits, which is not what I was trying to say but I have pretty strong feelings when it comes to smoking.
I appreciate you explaining your point - I guess I was just trying to say that smokers generally don't smoke just to spite/give others cancer - and that it's usually a coping strategy - and sure that's not always the case and there are rich and well off smokers as well
I guess I just wanted to note that most smokers don't choose to smoke but do it because they're addicted - not just to the nicotine but also to the feeling of control to immediately calm yourself down (I'm not saying its a healthy or sustainable coping mechanism but an understandable one)
Yes, Im well aware that giving people cancer is not the main goal of smokers, but its a byproduct most are willing to ignore (there are many alternatives that dont produce second hand smoke). And at the end of the day, the outcome doesnt change whether they do it intentionally or not.
Smokers are addicts that it's "morally acceptable" to shit on. The self righteous love it.
I’ve smoked 3 packs a day by 25 y/o. Started with 17. stopped with 27. I don’t regret stopping, I feel better. But I miss it.
3 whole fucking packs a DAY? Did you even breathe normal air?
I had the luxury to smoke on my job. I smoked a lot.
I can relate.
I never got as bad as my father, who used a lighter once a day and lit the rest of them off of the last one.
Holy shit lmao your dad was trying to be the CEO of smoking
This is fucking funny. :p
I smoke about a half a pack a day and feel like a dick for it. I'd like to quit, but i don't want to.
I only got to a pack a day before I quit for vaping, and I've been titrating down of that and hope to be off it entirely soon.
I do miss the tingle you get from that first smoke of the day. But it's not worth not being able to smell anything and spending so much money.
I roll my own. Cheap as hell, but I wish I could stop. I’d lose my goddamn mind if I did.
I tried that but I ruined so many clothes because it ashed on me I went back to pre rolls
You gotta get longer cut tobacco and a scale to keep it consistent.
Don’t forget that smokers also get to ruin other people’s meals at restaurants. Not their own meals mind you - just the meals of others.
Where I live, you're not allowed to smoke in bars or restaurants.
Also in the outside section? If yes I applaud your government for implementing the rule properly, not half-assed like in Germany.
Good question. Thinking about it, I believe you can still smoke if you're eating outside at a restaurant.
I thought you wheren't allowed to smoke inside anymore in Germany?
Smokers are still allowed to stink up your food outside. So you may enjoy your food inside in the summer.
Also restaurants are allowed to have an inside smoking section. Most of the time that means you still get to ‘enjoy’ the stink.
Lastly let’s not forget that smokers, when forced to smoke outside, will almost always do so right on the doorstep. So that the stink gets sucked in and everybody gets to enjoy a good second hand smoke.
He could mean terraces (outside)? That still bugs me a lot...
Joke is on you - I only smoke in elementary schools, so my house is practically tar-free. Now what, science man?
When I was a teenager in the 90s, I once dated someone whom I thought otherwise to be a smart and collected girl.
Then I watched her and her friend rummage the side streets for half smoked cigarette butts that people had disposed of out their car windows. The bliss in their eyes when they lit up a half smoked one.
Looking through the eyes of an adult now, it makes me wonder why I continued to try and strike a habit myself over the next 2 years. Fortunate for me, it never seemed like my drug of choice, though I did find others.
Being addicted to anything will make you realize just how fragile “giving a shit” really is.
Bloody hell did that really happen?
You dated someone who picked up half smoked ciggies and smoked them? Was she homeless?
That’s so gross, only ever seen the truly fucker and desperate do that.
Punk shit
What the fuck? Gross. I have never needed a smoke that bad.
Yeah, this worked well for me, too. The generic one you mention also had less side effects for me. There's still the vivid dreams / nightmares, but less intense.
From Chantix /Champix I recollect the spider dreams and floor crumbling beneath me.
But hey, anything to quit smoking.
This reads like a Pharma advert.
tfw you share balcony with smoking neighbour and all smoke goes to your room where you work...
Not everyone has decent ventilation.
Specially this guy
Might be that the only one that gets any fresh air into their office is the one closest to the smoker.
Still increases your electricity bill. Why can't the smoker just have the common decency to not smoke next to an open window? I know I never do, it's just rude.
Tell me about it! I had to accept that part of quitting involved forever missing something, but knowing I'm better off without it.
That feeling will disappear eventually. I rarely even think about it even when I see smokers now. If I'm out drinking though that's a different story...
Still waiting on eventually. Haven't smoked in over 10 years. Every now and then when I see them at the gas station I start craving them
How I feel about my (soon to be ex-) wife...
I yearn for that strength. I'm sure I'll quit one day
You can do it! My advice is to take it one day at a time and remember that nicotine cravings go away after about 10 minutes.
They don't stay still long enough to roll properly.
How do you even have papers big enough
How do you smoke a kid? And what do they taste like?
Question: did memes like this help?
Asking because I do street cleaning work in my neighborhood. And assholes keep throwing cigarette butts right on the ground.
I'd love to find a solution to have them quit smoking, which will lead to less cigarette butts.
I agree with @RedditIsDeddit , it does not help. It may even make things worse. All this meme does is make me feel misunderstood and despised by others (While some of them don't even understand what I actually go through). Tobacco is a terrible addiction. I quited for two years but fell again when I broke up with my ex. During those two years I dreamt of smoking at least once a week and gained 15kg. I grew up in France in the 90s and then the country did a pretty shitty job protecting kids (I started buying cigarettes for myself at 14 and it was easy because the tobacco shop owner didn't bat an eye). I think the solution is prevention and children's protection (by preventing access) to ensure that they don't start. For those who already smoke the best is kind support not guilt and disdain. (And total bans don't help either, we just feel left out when the government who now bans us from every place and treats us like awful weak-willed bastards initially incitated us to smoke two decades ago with adds and easy access).
Just one nail of many in my mom's coffin
It was the primary nail in my mother's coffin and her mother's coffin too.
Knowing that addictive tendencies are hereditary, I hope you are OK & continue to be OK.
Nearly all of my family smokes, and I fucking hate it. There were countless times, as far as I can remember, when I tried to do something with my dad, it was nice for a while, then he goes for a 'quick smoke' and stays there forever.
I can put my life in danger. I can put your life in danger. But I draw the line when you put my life in danger.
I’ve read last week that tobacco is radium rich and decomposes to polonium and radon - cigarettes are radioactive and it contributes to its nasty effects on the lungs
Bonus!!
So, smoking could make me a superhero?
Yes, like Marlboro Man!
Working my snow covered land with my trusty steed and a soft pack of Marlboro Reds in my pocket, living the dream.
WITNESS THE POWER OF MY STAND
dies
I actually enjoy a good cigar every once in a great while. I do not like smelling like smoke so I either go outside or to the "smoke shack" in my basement which has a fan that sucks all the smoke outside.
I don't think people smoke because they feel like shit doing so, quite the opposite imo
It's like the inverse of running. Running feels like trash in the moment, but great after
quit 30 years now. quit because it was killing me. other corps are still trying.
I’m so happy that I’m on 10 years without cigarettes.
Holy pearl clutching.
Lemmy can be so stereotypically "well actually" annoying. Any light-hearted whatever topic will be filled with douchenoozles pearl clutching.
As a tobacco fiend I couldn't ever get into smoking cigs. The only time in my life I've smoked consistently was when I was extra depressed and trying to microdose suicide. Guess I'm lucky
This seems to ignore the important facts that smoking is A.) Cool and B.) Sexy.
It also makes you hot and famous.
C) good social activity
I remember people talking about how the other smokers at work were all the cool people. And like, yeah, you spend several minutes several times a day hanging out outside with them, with no work and nothing to do but shoot the shit. Of course you like them better, you spend way more time with them.
Also you can all bond over your common terrible life choices, what's not to like?
Actually true, in a myriad of bad effects.
I dunno, teenagers all smoke and they seem pretty on the ball.
This would work better than cancer warnings on cigarette packs.
Yes, smoking takes years off your life.
But they're the years at the end....
Man if only that was true. A neighbor across the street is a chain smoker, and I hear him hack up a lung every morning for a couple of hours.
Yeah smoking will make you live shorter, but it'll also reaaaally fuckin' ruin your life leading up to that.
That's the joke.
Montezuma’s revenge
Boy do I love tobacco.
I don't smoke any more, but I love the smell of nice tobacco. I was late for work the other day because a crusty old man was smoking a roll up if Dutch tobacco and I couldn't resist chatting about it.
Dutch tobacco? the whacky kind?
Halfsvere Shag. Finely shredded rolling tobacco like Drum or Ball Shag. I rolled my own smokes before I quit. The aroma, in my opinion, is dreamy, especially compared to American cigarettes.
If Bali Shag released incense sticks, I'd seriously consider purchasing them.
Good News! Cigarette Juice!
this also applies to (some) bombs
Tobacco is one of the worst drugs ever. The best part is staving off the effects of addiction.
they said, while rolling E and smoking weed and drinking borgs :D
Drinking borgs?
Isn't that what they call them? I'm not 20 anymore so I'm not as hip.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(drink)
Pffft these kids would die if they drank rocket fuel aka pour all the hard liquor you have into one horrific drink and skull it down.
I didn't know about this, and I probably would have been better off without it. Thank you, though :)
this is probably a place that associates "borg" with the "resistance is futile" quote more than anything else
Ive seen people quit oxy easier then cigarettes
But if you smoke, you don't notice other smokers smelling like shit, which is nice.
Guess I should stop showering
Just imagine the savings of smoking
Alternatively
Imagine the savings of NOT smoking!
It's a win win whatever side you choose!
Dear Turdz, Get over yourselves plastic taco bell redbull eatindrinking turdz... Not everyone hot boxes people around them when they smoke. Some of us are a clean people. Some of you smell and look like shit anyways.
Sincerely, Eat My Arse
Who cares at this point no one has free health care so no longer a burden in the golden age of bare foot and pregnant. Smoke cigs. They are awsome.
sorry, i couldn't hear you over the sound of my free healthcare
You must be American
Yes. We are American. We’re destined to die from a gun. Who’s got time to be afraid of a plant? What is a healthcare?
I have free healthcare
Honestly, smoke all you want as long as you don't drink
I do both! Wooohoooo!
What an insensitive and utterly vile post. If you understood anything about addiction, which I'll remind you is a health disorder and not a personal choice, you would be ashamed of yourself. Some of us and our families are really struggling with huge impacts to physical and mental health, our entire lives, from addictions like this. Hope posting this made you feel better about yourself tho 👍
Mental inconvenience takes a number of forms, one of them is nicotine addiction. Some people with more standard brains than you and I can't comprehend why we would regularly consume literal poison to feel better instead of, I don't know, watching a Disney film or running until they sweat and smell.
I have switched over to a vape and mix my own flavorless, scentless juice. I still feel like a pariah when I use it, and stick to alleys and back lots.
I truly wish vape culture hadn't had that bro moment of douche bags chucking clouds in theaters and making a fuss when imbibing indoors.
I'd be slightly less embarrassed of the pile of addictions I've become.
It’s alright they never had to suffer from the utter brainwash advertising we had. They are brainwashed the other way. It’s probably a good thing. World used to be a smoke cloud.
It's always a .ml account
What does smoking a cigarette here or there has to do with addiction?
Cigarettes aren't the only way you can get addicted, you know. You made the connection between cigarettes and addictions, here in this post.
Also wouldn't it be the best advice against addiction find the will in oneself to stop doing it? If addicted smokers know what their cigarettes do for themselves and others, then they might want to try search for help, to get them off their addiction?
Where did I or the original post mention anything about occasional smokers? This post is offensive to those struggling from lifelong addiction to cigarettes, which is almost never a choice.
Gee, that's such great advice! Why didn't the lifelong addict think of that one themselves? You just singlehandedly solved addiction.
Noone chooses being addicted to cigarettes. It's a mental health disorder just like being addicted to fentanyl or heroin, and a crippling one at that for some. Please educate yourself about what addiction is before defending posts like this. What you are doing is similar to shitting on people for "choosing" their sexuality or gender.
Where did they mention addiction?
They mention cigarettes, and their bad affects on the people using them and the people around that. Stating that they are bad should not be offensive, because that is stating the facts.
If they are offended by that... IDK. That is something they have to work through themselves.
You are misrepresenting what I said. I said that to get over an addiction you first have to want it. And you say: Just wanting to stop is not enough, and I agree.
True, however people don't just wake up one day and be addicted. They have to take it first (willingly or unwillingly), putting a social stigma on the act of using these addictive substances, can at least prevent some people of getting accidentally addicted.
So I would be in favor of supporting people getting out of their addiction, while preventing people to get addicted, by showing what is bad about these drugs and trying to fight against the social component of "taking them makes you cool".
What are you fighting for? Finding ways of being offended?
lol I hope you get addicted to some to some ratchet pussy and it ruins your life