Unfortunately, people like that are an outsized problem wherever they exist. The extremes are often the most visible parts of a group, especially in the world of algorithmic relevance. If you really want to see whatever your group is achieve cultural success, those people are counterproductive.
I dunno how many are there but there were a lot of them at some point. Maybe I just ignore them now, but outsiders of the clique don't know that even we don't take them seriously.
I just say I don't use windows anymore so I can't help you from the windows side of things.
And not following instructions are something that needs to be undone slowly. I tend to just point out the instructions they missed and how they could have avoided the whole ordeal if they read that. Unfortunately you need to teach (or unlearn the windows habit) people that in Linux there's no BS next next next where there's no useful info given.
and i just repeat that and be like i cant help you, i will probably make things worse (shrugs)
and i get that, at that point i would just say nothing cause thats better than a negative impression. just imagine a 3 yr old and be like they dont know any better.
I think at least few years ago it was much better for laptops if you cared about your laptop's battery life (on Windows). Not sure how it's nowadays, or if it works the same way on Linux.
I think in the end, if you need Chromium-based browser and want something that is supported by bigger corporation for some reason, you need to decide which company you hate more and use competitor's product.
Exactly the same, what kind of lame bs is this, the best thing about the Linux community is that people help each other, not for money or fake internet points, but because they are good people.
I see what you did there. Would that I were a sword nerd. I was just googling the original because I couldn't remember how it went and noticed it had an entirely different dude in it.
Why is everyone so sure that W10 support ending will have its users stampede towards Linux? I think most users don't care about support and will happily run an outdated OS. They'll probably switch to Apple if they are concerned with that. Am I being too pessimistic?
It doesn't help that win10 support ending doesn't mean your device will immediately die. It means that you'll probably face some kind of consequences at some point in the following year and years to come, which is too hand-wavey for most people.
Yeah some people for sure will come to Linux, and that's good. Maybe that PewDiePie video (as much as I don't like it) will have some impact too.
The biggest hump is probably video games, even I do most of my gaming on Windows. I guess Valve is making really good progress there, but I don't think we'll see mainstream Linux native game development any time soon.
Also, sounds like there are some cool people at your university!
Heck yeah! I hear a lot of people go to Mint as their first Linux distribution. I don't know what the experience is like now, but it's probably good for newcomers. I think EndeavourOS is another good one. Right now I'm fully invested in NixOS, but it's not beginner-friendly at all. I think it's the best OS out there right now, though, so feel free to check it out!
I think most users don’t care about support and will happily run an outdated OS.
This is precisely what happened every time a previous edition of Windows met end of support, with most users only moving to the current version by way of buying a new name-brand PC because their old one either finally broke or, more likely, because it became so loaded down with malware that it was subsequently unusable.
The majority of home users are non-nerds who only barely tolerate their computer at the best of times, click off error messages without reading them, and are quite likely to ignore any pleas from Microsoft to upgrade or buy a new computer as long as the prompts are dismissable and don't go as far as fully locking them out of using their machine.
These users will overwhelmingly have a "go to the store and buy it" mentality; they will not migrate to Linux. Rather, they will march to Best Buy or go to Amazon and buy a new PC with Windows 11 already on it, or maybe a small subset of them will work themselves up to being angry enough to switch to a Mac.
I find it amussing that tech bros think the average home user will care.... They'll keep using Win 10 like nothing has changed. I knew people still happily using XP in 2014...
For those who aren't already aware, you can continue to get Windows 10 security updates after EOS, as well as updates for legacy windows systems, with 0patch. That's what I plan on doing. https://0patch.com/
Microsoft is going to stop providing updates, but 0patch is specifically providing security patches after EOS so that people don't have to upgrade to Windows 11.
Microsoft does that too though.
And afaik they have offered extended support for a long time for loads of windows versions (especially for the server versions)
They are not ending support for some evil plot to force people to use win11. They just don't want to support win10 forever.
The exact same thing has happened to every other windows version and most Linux distros and lots of other stuff like servers and networking hardware.
They feel they can afford incompetence because they know so many people dont have a choice anyway. Any microsoft locked institution for example. If that isnt at least a little evil I dont know what is.
Sure! Linux isn’t nearly as difficult to use as people think. There’s a learning curve since Linux does things differently than Windows, but you’d face that if you switched to Mac, too. Here’s a USB disk with [insert user-friendly distro here] loaded on it. If you can make your computer boot with it you have all the skills necessary to install Linux. You can test-drive it from the USB and if it’s just too different from what you’re used to, it won’t have made any changes. Have fun!”
The Windows shit-train is not, in & of itself, gonna get a significant percentage of users migrating away from suckling corporate teat.
Marketing Foss solutions to problems is something I Revere about people in the communities. Just Wish we could be a little better at helping more people make the shift.
Heal the computing planet! Deprecate the Corporate OS blight!
True story... Loaded Linux on my machine to learn. Dual boot wouldn't recognize Windows despite many efforts. Then Linux cinnamon crashed and i had to nuke the whole thing. Still won't deter me.
why spend time googling dozens of half-related forum issues when chatgpt can average all those half-related issues in one plausible-looking reply. just think of the time saved.
"Read The Fucking Manual" (sometimes seen as "Read the Fscking Manual") I remember saying it back in the day when I was annoyed that the answer could be found in the documentation while someone is asking others what something means, how it works, or having a common problem.
I now see it as quite pretentious of a reply and I now don't reply if I can't also be helpful.
Yes, everyone can have Audacity (for all your audio basics needs!) Audacity & Gimp work on Windows & MacOS, for those of you who continue to pay homage to corporate overlords for your computational playground (but want to use free (& open source) tools).
New to the FOSS community, eh? 😉
The people who voulenteer in the irc chats of the Linux mint help I talked with were so chill and helpful
Sometimes you just need to be told to “read the manual”
The meme is poking fun at elitism.
Last sentence shows you're the real hero.
If by "someone" you mean man.
https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/man.1.html
sudo touch grass
command not found: touch
What the hell kind of setup are you working with that doesn't have touch?
Probably not Version 7 Unix or anything more modern (ref).
I think it can be assumed that of a machine has sudo, it also has touch.
One could say they are out of... touch. 😎
I love this image too much
I know this is a joke but I genuinely get annoyed by people who seriously believe this.
the whole 3 or 4 of them?
Unfortunately, people like that are an outsized problem wherever they exist. The extremes are often the most visible parts of a group, especially in the world of algorithmic relevance. If you really want to see whatever your group is achieve cultural success, those people are counterproductive.
I dunno how many are there but there were a lot of them at some point. Maybe I just ignore them now, but outsiders of the clique don't know that even we don't take them seriously.
I mean I do reserve the right to get annoyed when I'm asked for help because windows messed something up and they want it fixed in windows.
In that cases while perhaps a little less polite and more over the top than I would phrase it the meme's end at least is valid in my opinion.
I also very quickly get frustrated when people fail to follow the instructions with a program.
I just say I don't use windows anymore so I can't help you from the windows side of things.
And not following instructions are something that needs to be undone slowly. I tend to just point out the instructions they missed and how they could have avoided the whole ordeal if they read that. Unfortunately you need to teach (or unlearn the windows habit) people that in Linux there's no BS next next next where there's no useful info given.
And yet they come back again and again :(
I think the rest I would agree with, I'm just impatient with that.
and i just repeat that and be like i cant help you, i will probably make things worse (shrugs)
and i get that, at that point i would just say nothing cause thats better than a negative impression. just imagine a 3 yr old and be like they dont know any better.
Sudo apt install edge
You mean
flatpak install flathub com.microsoft.Edge?Wait is that real? Why would anyone do that? Omg...I'm gonna vomit brb
I used to like edge. It was a much better choice over chrome and IE.
I think at least few years ago it was much better for laptops if you cared about your laptop's battery life (on Windows). Not sure how it's nowadays, or if it works the same way on Linux.
I think in the end, if you need Chromium-based browser and want something that is supported by bigger corporation for some reason, you need to decide which company you hate more and use competitor's product.
Yea back when windows 10 was just peeking out it seemed great
Isn't edge just IE ported to Chromium?
It used to not use Chromium at all.
How about you sudo apt install deodorant and maybe a life :3
Why why would I have apt installed on gentoo
As a 20 year Linux user I cringed at this.
As a 2 week arch Linux user I related to this meme. In fact I might incorporate this into my personality.
but why? more users for linux means better linux support for everything
Sorry if it wasn't clear but I'm completely joking and not serious.
can't tell such things nowdays at all. that is why i use /j or /s to clarify if needed
That's the purpose
Exactly the same, what kind of lame bs is this, the best thing about the Linux community is that people help each other, not for money or fake internet points, but because they are good people.
You are 20 years old?
"gimp skills"
This isn't the original image and that sword doesn't really look like it goes with that scabbard. Did someone recreate/enhance the image with AI?
The original:
Yup. It was designed as a troll to get sword geeks to comment about the inconsistency and then call them out on it.
I see what you did there. Would that I were a sword nerd. I was just googling the original because I couldn't remember how it went and noticed it had an entirely different dude in it.
As a linux user myself, this is kind of cringe to be honest.
It is a meme? 😒😒😒
No, it's a very serious post that has to be taken literally.
Autism intensifies
This may be a shock, but.. Some memes are cringe.
I use both, and I understand the whole TPM thing and why they're requiring it...
I think this is very cringe.
Linux has its uses, and benefits. But I see a lot of Windows stuff through my work.
I'm kind of surprised at the number of people taking this post seriously.
Lemmy is SRS BUZINESS!!!
Half the people at my local LUG would espouse beliefs like this post unironically.
Excel is basically a bunch of CLIs.
:'(
Also GIMP skills, not to be mistaken with gimp skills (tho there is some overlap in users).
Windows is the virus.
This is absolutely top tier
Yeah? No looking it up, give me a bash script for a ping scan of a subnet with a 24 bit mask.
#!/bin/bash
ping 255.255.255.0 > checker &
sleep 5
kill "$!"
grep unreachable checker || echo '255.255.255.0'
ping 255.255.255.1 > checker &
sleep 5
kill "$!"
grep unreachable checker || echo '255.255.255.1'
ping 255.255.255.2 > checker &
sleep 5
kill "$!"
grep unreachable checker || echo '255.255.255.2'
...
Did I do it coach? 😭
You get an A for effort!
#!/bin/bash
for i in 0..254; do ping -c 4 10.0.0.$i &; done
wait
Throwing that many background tasks at once is a little risky, but awesome
nmap -sn x.x.0.0/24 I think, was a while. Pure coincidence how I know.
Edit: no, it's one less x because 16 is the middle.
Close!
That's not a bash script silly.
Just add
#!/bin/bashbefore the code from above.Dang.
Why is everyone so sure that W10 support ending will have its users stampede towards Linux? I think most users don't care about support and will happily run an outdated OS. They'll probably switch to Apple if they are concerned with that. Am I being too pessimistic?
It doesn't help that win10 support ending doesn't mean your device will immediately die. It means that you'll probably face some kind of consequences at some point in the following year and years to come, which is too hand-wavey for most people.
We will get thousands more new users at least and I saw a poster in my local university about a install linux on your pc event.
Yeah some people for sure will come to Linux, and that's good. Maybe that PewDiePie video (as much as I don't like it) will have some impact too.
The biggest hump is probably video games, even I do most of my gaming on Windows. I guess Valve is making really good progress there, but I don't think we'll see mainstream Linux native game development any time soon.
Also, sounds like there are some cool people at your university!
I ran XP for years after, Win 7 until 2.5 yrs ago, and bumped my current laptop back to 10 immediately.
Soon enough I'll be changing it to Mint tho 'cause shit is real out there now.
Heck yeah! I hear a lot of people go to Mint as their first Linux distribution. I don't know what the experience is like now, but it's probably good for newcomers. I think EndeavourOS is another good one. Right now I'm fully invested in NixOS, but it's not beginner-friendly at all. I think it's the best OS out there right now, though, so feel free to check it out!
I played with a couple of flavours in the early 2000s but stopped when I began university.
It doesn't matter much in the end
This is precisely what happened every time a previous edition of Windows met end of support, with most users only moving to the current version by way of buying a new name-brand PC because their old one either finally broke or, more likely, because it became so loaded down with malware that it was subsequently unusable.
The majority of home users are non-nerds who only barely tolerate their computer at the best of times, click off error messages without reading them, and are quite likely to ignore any pleas from Microsoft to upgrade or buy a new computer as long as the prompts are dismissable and don't go as far as fully locking them out of using their machine.
These users will overwhelmingly have a "go to the store and buy it" mentality; they will not migrate to Linux. Rather, they will march to Best Buy or go to Amazon and buy a new PC with Windows 11 already on it, or maybe a small subset of them will work themselves up to being angry enough to switch to a Mac.
How do I open an exe file in Mint ya smelly nerds??
Install Bottles.
Add it to steam as a non-Steam game and turn on proton for it
You fly to Venus and fuck a goat.
Dork.
You can't run an exe on Linux
Idiot /s
Install wine and then double click
Hey don't bash Excel, it can run Linux too, although heavily stripped Risc-V version.
Just use Libre office. If you are doing anything bigger than that start a SQL server instead
They made a RISC-V version of Excel???
Nope, Linux kernel used in that tech demo is for RISC-V architecture
Ehm... yes?
Excellent. It looks like you've already installed Audacity, so next let's copy over your songs.
I find it amussing that tech bros think the average home user will care.... They'll keep using Win 10 like nothing has changed. I knew people still happily using XP in 2014...
Support for mine ended the day I unplugged it from the net 4 years ago
After years of suffering under Microsoft's bugs, you're ready to have your own bugs no one can help you with.
For those who aren't already aware, you can continue to get Windows 10 security updates after EOS, as well as updates for legacy windows systems, with 0patch. That's what I plan on doing. https://0patch.com/
I thought they specifically planned to end the security updates to force people to use win11
Microsoft is going to stop providing updates, but 0patch is specifically providing security patches after EOS so that people don't have to upgrade to Windows 11.
Microsoft does that too though. And afaik they have offered extended support for a long time for loads of windows versions (especially for the server versions)
They are not ending support for some evil plot to force people to use win11. They just don't want to support win10 forever. The exact same thing has happened to every other windows version and most Linux distros and lots of other stuff like servers and networking hardware.
it would feel less evil if win11 wasnt so full of awful and downgraded features.
That's just incompetence. It's not like they are laughing with the devil because people can't place the taskbar at the top anymore.
They feel they can afford incompetence because they know so many people dont have a choice anyway. Any microsoft locked institution for example. If that isnt at least a little evil I dont know what is.
You can also overcome your Stockholm syndrome and ditch the trash for good.
Unfortunately there are a few things that keep me from switching to Linux.
I've switched to Debian GNU/Linux, because I figured out it's easier to manage than modern Windows anyways.
I've ended up taking notes on personal MediaWiki instance on various Unix/GNU commands, and various other stuff.
Also ended up finding 7 bugs (for now) mostly in APT/Aptitude and their documentation (didn't report them yet).
Don't mind me, I am just a self-diagnosed autist (lmao).
Why did you bold?
Sometimes I do that so stuff like different software is more visible in larger texts. However I probably did an overkill there.
Do not
nixos-installme without reasonDo not
uwsm start selectme without valor“…you have the audacity to come to me for help?
Sure! Linux isn’t nearly as difficult to use as people think. There’s a learning curve since Linux does things differently than Windows, but you’d face that if you switched to Mac, too. Here’s a USB disk with [insert user-friendly distro here] loaded on it. If you can make your computer boot with it you have all the skills necessary to install Linux. You can test-drive it from the USB and if it’s just too different from what you’re used to, it won’t have made any changes. Have fun!”
Word!
The Windows shit-train is not, in & of itself, gonna get a significant percentage of users migrating away from suckling corporate teat.
Marketing Foss solutions to problems is something I Revere about people in the communities. Just Wish we could be a little better at helping more people make the shift.
Heal the computing planet! Deprecate the Corporate OS blight!
Don't do this
Cringe.
I can assure you no one is such a dire need to come to u for help
It's (I hope) self aware, so there's that at least
Cringe
Calling this cringe is cringe
On the other hand, the CLIt is something he'll never get to master.
True story... Loaded Linux on my machine to learn. Dual boot wouldn't recognize Windows despite many efforts. Then Linux cinnamon crashed and i had to nuke the whole thing. Still won't deter me.
That’s the joke.
I think widows is the virus
I'll just ask chatgpt instead of being told LMGTFY and RTFM
why spend time googling dozens of half-related forum issues when chatgpt can average all those half-related issues in one plausible-looking reply. just think of the time saved.
Rtfm?
"Read The Fucking Manual" (sometimes seen as "Read the Fscking Manual") I remember saying it back in the day when I was annoyed that the answer could be found in the documentation while someone is asking others what something means, how it works, or having a common problem.
I now see it as quite pretentious of a reply and I now don't reply if I can't also be helpful.
"Linux will never supplant windows" naysayers in shambles.
I look like that and say that
That's a pretty sweet sword I hope it doesn't need to see any action
Don't worry, much like the person wielding it, it will never see any action.
Yes, everyone can have Audacity (for all your audio basics needs!) Audacity & Gimp work on Windows & MacOS, for those of you who continue to pay homage to corporate overlords for your computational playground (but want to use free (& open source) tools).
Well of course, you're the eXpErT!
Can you draw 7 red lines strictly perpendicular some with blue ink and some with green ink, or not?
Nope!
Let's not rush into any hasty answers. The task has been set and needs to be carried out.
I don't have green ink, will red rink suffice?
How's this?
Mhm....
why are some lines not red? The task was 7 red lines strictly perpendicular in the form of kittens. Some with blue ink some with green ink.
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awwwwww :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
💯💯💯
Wait, was the scabbard always curved in this image?
TBH y'all have decided to come to us for help when we gave up compooters and took up farming
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BVs4qln4J8s
Related: Angst About Windows 10 Support Ending Soon, Ending Soon!
Yeah, okay. I just installed the free upgrade to 11, which took maybe 9 minutes.
If I had an old computer that wasn't compatible, I'd just install Linux. It's so easy even an idiot could do it.
Fuck 11 i'm just gonna install win 10 ltsc iot. Good till 2032
Win11 isn't all that different than 10
80% is the same