This is about the Libyan war, organized by Clinton, but driven by NATO and mostly the French.
You're ignorant not of American history but of world history.
EDIT: next time you hear someone day that NATO is a defensive organization and has never invaded anyone, you will know that they're either lying or ignorant.
Bro do you think any other person giving the exact same speech as Hillary would be paid that kinda money? The banks aren't paying her for her oratory chops. It's influence purchasing. Be serious.
I was sooo mad Debbie fucked over bernie when she ran the DNC. Honestly that might of been the beginning of the decline for them. Let's hope they listen to voters.
No, getting paid by bankers is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Or did you forget what the bankers leading up to 2008 after they got beneficial legislation passed that let them fuck up the markets?
Bankers buy politicians to let them fuck up the economy and drain more money from everyone else they can.
The Bernie thing was bad as well as possibly the only fully fact checked story . But here we have people deciding between propaganda shitposts and a bigot sending people to literal death camps as what is worse. The people who eat the shitposts as fact and spread it around are officially worse than both candidates. They are just Russian bots.
Yeah, that so quaint! 25M. LOL. Trump's net worth has increased by 4 BILLION since he took office THIS TIME. Fucking 25M over 10 years... "Those are rookie numbers!" No, not rookie numbers, flat out hardly a drop in the bucket. Sooo quaint. I'm sure her corruption is exactly the same as Trump's! (Can you really type that without busting out laughing?)
I never said she was a paragon of integrity... but where she was picking up spare change left on the counter, Trump is robbing the register and looting the pension fund all at the same time. They are not the same.
Fuck off Hillary. Nobody asked you. You fumbled 2016 and gave us this asshole in the first place, and you should have the decency to hide in shame the rest of your miserable life.
She can express it, but she needs to be prepared to be reminded that she was uniquely able to lose to trump in 2016, and her stealing the nomination from Sanders is one major contribution to why we are here
There's a lot more reasons why we're here than Hilary Clinton. If you can't get over it we're going to keep backsliding, again, and again, if we ever even make it out alive
My favorite is the Bernie folks filed a lawsuit against the DNC for unfair practices against Bernie, and the court threw it out because as a private group the DNC could do whatever they want.
She made Trump her pied piper because he was the only one she had a shot against and then she failed. Trump is quite literally Hillary Clinton's fault. He would not have won 2016 if she hadn't narcissistically demanded that it was her turn to be president.
Hillary and DWS stole DNC money and funneled it all to her campaign, and then rigged the nom on top with the superdelegates. If you don’t consider that stolen, maybe it is you who should also consider “being serious.”
Ah, yes, let's completely ignore the part where superdelegates were used to give her the appearance of an insurmountable lead before a single vote was cast.
No part of that election was run fairly. Stop pretending it was.
While you're at it, maybe address the part where her campaign actively promoted Trump in his primary as a pied piper. Hillary Clinton is uniquely and singularly responsible for Trump becoming president.
The true radicalization is when you realize that being "highly-qualified" for the presidency should be disqualifying as it means you're so well entrenched in the particular brand of pre-Trump American fascism.
Trump is absolutely poorly qualified, and terrible beyond that. I think fundamentally I believe more in politics and values than competence in navigating the systems of a white supremacist country.
With regards to a 'left maga' you say but still, but still what? If someone broke norms, rules, even laws in service of dismantling the prison industrial complex, jailed politicians in service of making right the genocide in Gaza, or instituted a state of emergency over climate change to align with the scientific consensus, would you argue that the norms of our country are more important?
She lost to trump. The only reason she's not the single worst candidate in US history is because Harris lost to him by a larger margin after everyone already knew what he was about.
What decision? I worked against Trump entering office every step of the path. Hillary Clinton demonstrably did not. She propped him up during the 2016 primaries because she thought she would have an easier time beating him.
You're the second account to tell me to take responsibility for Trump with no justification. Something smells.
I'm sorry, fucking what? I voted for Bernie in 2016 primary, Hillary in 2016 general, Bernie in 2020 primary, Biden in 2020 general, uncommitted in 2024 primary, and Harris in 2024 general. I donate to progressive campaigns across the country every election.
You're a sycophant defending the Democratic Party's extremely authoritarian practices in primaries and blaming others for the sins the party and its elites.
You comment all over this thread with transparently easy to prove wrong opinions. You don't even know what happened to Libya or who was at fault, and have no conception of even recent history.
My guess is you're under 25, and know nothing about history before you became politically aware.
She didn't fumble anything. They wouldn't allow Bernie to run is all it came down to and Hillary is one of the most corrupt out there. Perfect for office
only a woman could receive the most votes and nearly a decade later have a 14 year old boy on lemmy be all "yo dawg she totally fumbled that shit she needs to hide in shame"
For the record, I did vote for her in the actual election, but that is an extremely oversimplified analysis of how Trump got elected.
Yeah, more people in the right states voted for him. But her and the DNC fucking with the primaries, offering zero conciliation to progressives and arrogantly assuming Trump didn't stand a chance play a huge factor. For the vaunted "most qualified candidate ever" this was her race to lose, and blaming it on sexism is just a thought terminating cliche at this point.
So you think that having a slew of money coming to you while you are out of power right before an election you are expected to win means that that isn't explicit corruption?
I have this really nice building for sale in New York that I have to sell for a really steep discount. Send me the money and we can meet up and I'll sign it over to you. My loss is your gain.
Seriously, this is the stupidest attempt to justify corruption I've ever seen.
Calling whataboutism and not cleaning your own house is precisely what leads to loss of trust and directly led to the first term of Trump. EDIT: Along with explicitly and blatantly breaking their own rules to give the primary to Hillary (This isn't conjecture or theory. They've explicitly admitted this in court and justified it by saying they aren't a public entity but a private organization and can cheat if they want. Funny how they're a public institution when they get free federal funds, but private when applying their own rules)
Democrats being feckless cowards and refusing to prosecute Trump for emoluments violations during the first term, and then failing to prosecute Trump for fucking insurrection on day one of Bidens Administration is what led to Trump term 2.
Not my fucking guy. I don't care about the fucking plane.
I want the democrats to stop pretending this is an episode of West Wing and play hardball. I want them to act like any of this matters. Because it actually matters.
What doesn't do anything is finger wagging and gotya tweets. That kind of shit appeals to a insignificantly small demographic of Brunch Liberals and literally nobody else. They should be filibustering every single republican bill and denying every political appointment. Leadership should be stripping committee appointments and threatening primaries on turncoat dems. The entire party should as a singular unit be blocking everything they can. They should be aggressively promoting an alternative policy agenda with real tangible benefits for real people.
But they won't do any of that. They'll stand around cock-in-hand and wait for Schumer's strategy of "give them everything they want" to payoff somehow (think trickledown) because the DNC is a corporation. They really aren't bothered by all the disastrous shit Chump is doing because it benefits them too.
I want the democrats to stop pretending this is an episode of West Wing and play hardball.
Dunno if you have watched it or not but I want them to start pretending it's an episode of West Wing because the Dems in that went hard. I'm tired of the milquetoast responses and typical DNC fair but they also are playing politics and trying what they think will work.
"I'm going to say something I know you won't like and pretend not to listen to any response because my goal is to anger you."
Frankly, if I was a mod of this forum, I'd ban [email protected] for trolling. They're not even trying to hide that that is their goal rather than actual discussion.
We blame you for him. You understand that, right? In our eyes, he's your guy.
Trying to make leftists feel bad about Trump doesn't work. We believe (And have the fucking receipts) that it is the DNC's (And the Clintons) corruption that is at fault that Trump is President. Again.
All these pushes to keep Hillary relevant is so tone deaf. Waiting for the day some doofus tries to tell me why we can't find better representation from the 350,000,000 people in the united states.
So we can’t just appreciate the meaning of the words because she’s someone you don’t like? She didn’t end her post with “and that’s why you should vote for me in 2028”, she’s simply stating a fact.
Tell me you didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman without telling me you didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman harder.
More because she is deeply corrupt and her accusing Trump of corruption, while true, is not aimed at reducing corruption. It is done to distract from her corruption.
“I refuse to acknowledge the veracity of knowledge because it came out of someone I dislikes mouth” is some real mouth breather shit. Go back to Reddit loser.
Just because I don't disagree with her on literally every issue doesn't mean that her words worth my time either.
I'm sure JK Rowling and I agree on something, but I still want her to keep all of her opinions to herself, not just her problematic ones. Because she has a hard time telling the difference.
No moron, we’re at the “words coming out of the mouth of someone you dont like doesn’t automatically make them false”, did you pay attention in kindergarten?
If you're a Qatari prince, $400m is trivial. If anyone would give a genuinely free jet, they would.
That being said, this one is not a gift. It's manipulation. Stroke Trump's ego and pretend you like him and he'll do whatever you want, as long as you make him think it's his idea.
Its why he us such a bitch about it too. All angsty on his fancy bbs. This is a thing that should never die. Like a rash that wont go away. President 747
Qatar is not Saudi Arabia. Way to drive the point that you can't tell Arabs apart. Also Qatar is merely paying tributes and concessions, also bailing out Boeing.
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
Say what you want, her coronation as D candidate in 2015 over a much more popular Bernie Sanders led to a weak turnout by disenchanted D voters and Trump's victory in 2016.
Whether she is a murderer/ felon or not, she can take her opinion and shove it
How about this for evidence? Taken from M1ch431 elsewhere in this thread
The original source is a verified, leaked email (dated April 23, 2015) from her 2016 campaign. The DNC plan was attached in the email and can be found here.
The specific quote is from Salon.
Yeah, is this the information Julian Assange leaked. yeah fuck that guy too, I sure as hell ain’t voting for her and neither will you, so I don't know why we’re arguing
I would really appreciate this twisted timeline we're in featuring the Clintons openly acknowledging that they know how corruption works from experience as a way to derail the current corruption train that we're all tied down in front of. The writers need to demonstrate that they haven't completely lost the plot or I'm cancelling my subscription
We don't really need to talk about Trump's corruption. We all know he's corrupt and none of us are arguing about it.
But when the person who was so corrupt she couldn't win an election against the orange buffoon starts inserting herself into the conversation, accounts like yours come out of the woodwork to defend her using stale 2016 rhetoric. If there are fake accounts here, I'm pretty sure it's yours.
Brother Russian bots are at least getting paid for it. You are in this thread "protecting" fucking Hillary of all people, with your life, FOR FREE. Who is the real idiot here?
Truly, there is nothing like sitting in midwest america in trump land and being called a russian bot.
@[email protected] I realize a nuanced view is difficult for many.
Should I insult you before I finish replying?
Is posting a fact about the 2016 election, and Hillary Clinton somehow disinformation?
My point was, that the turd is being a hypocrite, in that part of his campaign in 2016 was capitalizing on her errors in failing to report external country lobbying.
There's strong evidence to point to Hillary being wrong here and very much the orange turd. Two things can be true.
I'm not trying to what about the facts.
Someone posted a screenshot of her top contributors.
Hillary is just jealous she has to hide and do it slowly for years whereas Trump doesn't give a single fuck and do it the obnoxious way for 2 times more money.
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
Aside from anecdotal evidence, Snopes was unable to find any proof to corroborate this claim. We know that most major food labeling requirements occurred in the decades following Capone's 1947 death. However, aside from infant formula, there is no requirement to label expiration dates in the U.S. All such labeling is done so voluntarily by food manufacturers.
I didn't know that about old scarface, I will be adding that to the list of fun facts right next to the fact that at least one Roman Emperor thought that he was becoming a god right between violently shitting himself to death.
When you share a little factoids like this, you don’t think check to see if they’re true, this sounds like it was designed to be shared and to be viral, but nothing of whether it was fucking true or not, Jesus, fucking Christ dude do better on the Internet
Your downvotes don't change the facts, there was a decent core of supporters in the democratic party. You're wrong when you say no one liked her. The fact that you don't like that wing of the democratic party doesn't change the fact that they're around.
And there was plenty of people who supported her in the caucus, which was 100% ordinary people voting with their butt. It's fine if you don't like her, but don't act like nobody supported her. You and the people you talk to aren't the entire democratic party.
Nobody's acting like "nobody supported her". Plenty of people supported her, but she didn't support them and so they should be called by their proper name:
It's almost as though no one wants to hear from her anymore except a bunch of people who are so unforgivably out of touch that they think she's a good messenger.
It might be a good point, but she doesn't deserve positive attention ever.
This is a post about her and her tweet. If you want to discuss the Air Force Bribe, I'm sure there are thousands of simultaneous discussions happening at various points on the internet. Perhaps even millions.
Sorry that this space isn't dedicated to that, though.
The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
She may not be playing now, but I feel it's fair to point out that Hillary has played some stupid games - the American people reap the stupid prize.
I would think that Hillary having some experience in accepting bribes, would know...
So idk why everyone is doing the pot/kettle thing (with various wordings). She's speaking from experience.
Corruption is probably one thing that Hillary knows about, and she's calling it out. Doesn't mean she's any less guilty of being bribed, not does it mean that this isn't a bribe for Trump, nor does that mean we should be unhappy at Trump and not unhappy at her for them both doing it.
When I use /s or /jk when I'm not serious and people get bent out of shape about it. When I don't use it, and I find out a mod mass banned me from their communities over it.
Out of everybody out there, Hillary "I got a half a million dollars from Goldman Sachs for spending a few hours giving a speech to some traders" Clinton is maybe not the best person to talk about this.
Then again, she does have the benefit of hands on experience on this.
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
Not only does no one give someone a $400 million dollar jet for free without expecting anything in return, they also don't give it away for free unless they know they are dealing who they know will give something at least comparable back in return. You can tell who Trump doesn't grift by things like this.
Oh you're attributing things to my comment I didn't mean. The US government is out of control. Yes we give massive dollars all around, and the government expects quid pro quo. None of it is what the people want, it's what the government does. It's all corrupt. But so was Hillary.
Why would someone have to axe to grind with a country? Unless that country wronged that person.
Happy to be recommended some resources to read, but I’ve eyes my friend and I’ve seen the atrocities America has committed and I’m currently witnessing the ones they allow their friends to commit.
Online 'liberals' hate Hillary more than they hate trump.
Way to go guys, if you'd have gotten on board and simply voted for her, you probably would have gotten half the shit you wanted. Instead, we have a dictatorship now.
Wow, guys. I don't know her from whatever the shit Fox said, so forgive me for discounting the speaker for something you personally witnessed. I'd ask what she did other than be the target of the Bernie backstabbing, but it feels like COVID and 2 Trumps ago.
So. She has a point.
Remember when we didn't kill the messenger because we remembered what Genghis did for that?
There is no higher quality comment than to enter the comments section and generally declare the comments as shit. The cherry on top is to expand that generality to say all of lemmy has "gone to shit".
Seriously, I don't know what in particular you have an issue with, just that you think a bunch of comments are shit.
You seem to be new here my friend. It happened a long time ago, especially during the US elections. Everything seems to be about trump, elon musk, capitalism, killing CEOs, and the like and it all started in a big way then. But there’s ways you can filter out most of it using your app if you’d like.
Quick! She NEEDS to Run for President! There's NO WAY it Can Fail!
-The DNC Probably!
Hillary Clinton needs to sit this one out holy shit. I remember her getting paid by bankers to make "speeches" when she was running for president.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/bill-and-hillary-clinton-made-roughly-25-million-in-speeches-since-2014-118009
I hate trump for all of his corruption. But holy shit she's no better
No, she's a lot better, but the bar Trump has set is that low.
I can't remember who said it, but:
"Hillary Clinton represents everything wrong with American politics. Donald Trump represents everything wrong with America."
She's only better if you're a fan of open air child sex slave markets
Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.
I guess fucking Obama is gullible?
You're just fucking ignorant of history.
Do you genuinely think Trump is any better in that regard? They were both friends with Epstein.
This is about Libya. Read a history book.
And yes, it is 100% her fault. Fuck, even Obama thought so.
So I can delete the part about Epstein and the comment will remain relevant then. Trump doesn't care either.
Please give me some indication that you understand the context of what I'm talking about otherwise shut up and fuck off
Yo chill not everyone is American and fully knowledgeable on American politics. What are you referring to?
This is about the Libyan war, organized by Clinton, but driven by NATO and mostly the French.
You're ignorant not of American history but of world history.
EDIT: next time you hear someone day that NATO is a defensive organization and has never invaded anyone, you will know that they're either lying or ignorant.
This is the comment you're asking me to 'chill' about.
The dog shit one might have to scrap of the bottom of one's shoe is a lot better than Trump.
Bro do you think any other person giving the exact same speech as Hillary would be paid that kinda money? The banks aren't paying her for her oratory chops. It's influence purchasing. Be serious.
I was sooo mad Debbie fucked over bernie when she ran the DNC. Honestly that might of been the beginning of the decline for them. Let's hope they listen to voters.
The voters don't pay like the donor class.
And democrats decided they prefer donations to votes.
The beginning of the end was when the blue dog Democrats took over the party.
It died with Paul Wellstone.
Now it is the party to protect the oligarchs.
No, getting paid by bankers is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Or did you forget what the bankers leading up to 2008 after they got beneficial legislation passed that let them fuck up the markets?
Bankers buy politicians to let them fuck up the economy and drain more money from everyone else they can.
Please cite the sources. And not propaganda.
Your definition of propaganda is anything you don't agree with.
To the point that you literally think that Clinton isn't responsible for Libya, and describe it as propaganda.
When she refused to release the text of those speeches it made some people go,"Hmmmm."
The Bernie thing was bad as well as possibly the only fully fact checked story . But here we have people deciding between propaganda shitposts and a bigot sending people to literal death camps as what is worse. The people who eat the shitposts as fact and spread it around are officially worse than both candidates. They are just Russian bots.
Yeah, that so quaint! 25M. LOL. Trump's net worth has increased by 4 BILLION since he took office THIS TIME. Fucking 25M over 10 years... "Those are rookie numbers!" No, not rookie numbers, flat out hardly a drop in the bucket. Sooo quaint. I'm sure her corruption is exactly the same as Trump's! (Can you really type that without busting out laughing?)
So one could argue Trump has more dignity as he sold himself for more...
Corruption is corruption no matter if someone sells himself for 100, 100,000 or 100,000,000
All that tells me is that she's bad at being corrupt, not that she's some paragon of integrity.
I never said she was a paragon of integrity... but where she was picking up spare change left on the counter, Trump is robbing the register and looting the pension fund all at the same time. They are not the same.
Trump is bad. It’s not comparable.
Additionally 90 % of the shit spread about Hillary was from trump himself. And as you can see: he lies.
A lot.
She's the wrong messenger. For most situations.
Now do the same for political donations and PACs
Any of her “definitely worth it” speeches, too.
Fuck off Hillary. Nobody asked you. You fumbled 2016 and gave us this asshole in the first place, and you should have the decency to hide in shame the rest of your miserable life.
She can express it, but she needs to be prepared to be reminded that she was uniquely able to lose to trump in 2016, and her stealing the nomination from Sanders is one major contribution to why we are here
There's a lot more reasons why we're here than Hilary Clinton. If you can't get over it we're going to keep backsliding, again, and again, if we ever even make it out alive
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Got damn, I didn't know that. I apologize and retract the part of my statement about Hilary, but do maintain we might not make it out of this alive
The same Wikileaks documents also show that Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie (very briefly mentioned in the article).
My favorite is the Bernie folks filed a lawsuit against the DNC for unfair practices against Bernie, and the court threw it out because as a private group the DNC could do whatever they want.
Not a one of us will make it out of here alive.
That's a fact of life in this realm we must eventually experience.
She made Trump her pied piper because he was the only one she had a shot against and then she failed. Trump is quite literally Hillary Clinton's fault. He would not have won 2016 if she hadn't narcissistically demanded that it was her turn to be president.
Oh please. The DNC is done. We need to move on.
I wish parties would just die and that we can use a better voting system, but we need a path to get there.
That path doesn't involve the DNC. Look at how they treated David Hogg, of all people.
Unless we have a left Tea Party. Just look at how successful the Tea Party was at forcibly taking over the RNC.
If the party is determined to keep making the same mistakes that they never addressed, they will continue losing. They seem fine with that.
Hillary and DWS stole DNC money and funneled it all to her campaign, and then rigged the nom on top with the superdelegates. If you don’t consider that stolen, maybe it is you who should also consider “being serious.”
Ah, yes, let's completely ignore the part where superdelegates were used to give her the appearance of an insurmountable lead before a single vote was cast.
No part of that election was run fairly. Stop pretending it was.
While you're at it, maybe address the part where her campaign actively promoted Trump in his primary as a pied piper. Hillary Clinton is uniquely and singularly responsible for Trump becoming president.
Could have avoided this if they didn’t snatch Biden from his grave to do the same damn thing in 2020.
DNC are controlled opposition, we’ll never escape fascism by supporting Democrats.
The true radicalization is when you realize that being "highly-qualified" for the presidency should be disqualifying as it means you're so well entrenched in the particular brand of pre-Trump American fascism.
Trump is absolutely poorly qualified, and terrible beyond that. I think fundamentally I believe more in politics and values than competence in navigating the systems of a white supremacist country.
With regards to a 'left maga' you say but still, but still what? If someone broke norms, rules, even laws in service of dismantling the prison industrial complex, jailed politicians in service of making right the genocide in Gaza, or instituted a state of emergency over climate change to align with the scientific consensus, would you argue that the norms of our country are more important?
She lost to trump. The only reason she's not the single worst candidate in US history is because Harris lost to him by a larger margin after everyone already knew what he was about.
"Yes she having cheated, but that cheating helped her win, and because she won, therefore she didn't cheat"
Is some dumb fucking logic
Not when it involves the person ruining this country that she put in charge. She can fuck right off.
She didn’t put him in charge. The voters did. Own your shitty decision.
Facts are evading you here too?
She played a part. You're being dishonest.
What decision? I worked against Trump entering office every step of the path. Hillary Clinton demonstrably did not. She propped him up during the 2016 primaries because she thought she would have an easier time beating him.
You're the second account to tell me to take responsibility for Trump with no justification. Something smells.
Clinton beat the only candidate she cared about beating in 2016.
Wrong and dumb
I'm sorry, fucking what? I voted for Bernie in 2016 primary, Hillary in 2016 general, Bernie in 2020 primary, Biden in 2020 general, uncommitted in 2024 primary, and Harris in 2024 general. I donate to progressive campaigns across the country every election.
You're a sycophant defending the Democratic Party's extremely authoritarian practices in primaries and blaming others for the sins the party and its elites.
It’s funny that these assholes ask those of us with no power to take responsibility while letting those people with power off the hook
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Your brain is fucking mush
You had 12 entire hours to respond to the salient point.
what are you fucking 5? You sure you should be allowed to vote?
As is yours.
And we're expressing our opinions.
And your opinion shows you infantilize yourself from responsibility as an adult who votes. Own who you voted for. That’s on you. Your opinion is shit.
Hey, just expressing my opinion. Just like anyone else.
You comment all over this thread with transparently easy to prove wrong opinions. You don't even know what happened to Libya or who was at fault, and have no conception of even recent history.
My guess is you're under 25, and know nothing about history before you became politically aware.
Opinions not tempered by facts are fantasy.
Other terms for your responses here.
Prejudice, Uninformed Opinion(s), Bias, False Assertion(s), Armchair Critic, and Misinformation.
Welcome to public forums.
She didn't fumble anything. They wouldn't allow Bernie to run is all it came down to and Hillary is one of the most corrupt out there. Perfect for office
The Clinton campaign in 2008 boosted the birther conspiracy shit that trump rode to power.
Her 2016 campaign boosted the man himself because she thought he would be easier to beat than Jeb Bush.
only a woman could receive the most votes and nearly a decade later have a 14 year old boy on lemmy be all "yo dawg she totally fumbled that shit she needs to hide in shame"
She didn’t give you this asshole. You voted for him. That’s how voting works.
For the record, I did vote for her in the actual election, but that is an extremely oversimplified analysis of how Trump got elected.
Yeah, more people in the right states voted for him. But her and the DNC fucking with the primaries, offering zero conciliation to progressives and arrogantly assuming Trump didn't stand a chance play a huge factor. For the vaunted "most qualified candidate ever" this was her race to lose, and blaming it on sexism is just a thought terminating cliche at this point.
Wrong
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2017/09/21/happened-clinton/105827238/
Yes. You're right, Hillary. Now, go away.
Looks at the Clinton foundation and the UAE
looks back at post
Wasn’t that proved to be outside of tenure?
So you think that having a slew of money coming to you while you are out of power right before an election you are expected to win means that that isn't explicit corruption?
I have this really nice building for sale in New York that I have to sell for a really steep discount. Send me the money and we can meet up and I'll sign it over to you. My loss is your gain.
Seriously, this is the stupidest attempt to justify corruption I've ever seen.
If only Qatar had delivered the plane to Trump on Jan 5th, 2025 there would have been no conflict of interest.
https://www.axios.com/2021/12/01/clinton-foundation-donations-plummet
Huh. Funding dried up after she lost and wouldn't have the political influence the funders thought they were buying.
Who'd have thought.
Did you look at the date of that article and think about it at all? You're making my point for me.
Not every response here is an attack.
My apologies.
.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
It's been 9 years and centrists still can't accept that no one likes HRC.
Centrists still believe Hillary was the most qualified and deserving person ever to run for president.
And there's millions of them.
I fucking wish everyone hated Hilary Clinton. Then maybe she wouldn't have walked into a NY Senate seat, much less the Dem Presidential nomination.
centrists just wanted her because she's kissinger's protege.
Woof. Ain't that the fucking truth.
Libya, Cambodia... it's all the fucking same to these ghouls.
Corruption is fucking corruption.
Calling whataboutism and not cleaning your own house is precisely what leads to loss of trust and directly led to the first term of Trump. EDIT: Along with explicitly and blatantly breaking their own rules to give the primary to Hillary (This isn't conjecture or theory. They've explicitly admitted this in court and justified it by saying they aren't a public entity but a private organization and can cheat if they want. Funny how they're a public institution when they get free federal funds, but private when applying their own rules)
Democrats being feckless cowards and refusing to prosecute Trump for emoluments violations during the first term, and then failing to prosecute Trump for fucking insurrection on day one of Bidens Administration is what led to Trump term 2.
"Yeah well what about your party's corruption" is actually a valid point for which you have fuck all as a defense
As sure as the turn of the worlds.
.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
If they didn't suck so much it wouldn't be so valid of a criticism.
Get your own fuckin house together. Then we can talk.
not good that your guy is receiving $400 mil airplanes
Not my fucking guy. I don't care about the fucking plane.
I want the democrats to stop pretending this is an episode of West Wing and play hardball. I want them to act like any of this matters. Because it actually matters.
What doesn't do anything is finger wagging and gotya tweets. That kind of shit appeals to a insignificantly small demographic of Brunch Liberals and literally nobody else. They should be filibustering every single republican bill and denying every political appointment. Leadership should be stripping committee appointments and threatening primaries on turncoat dems. The entire party should as a singular unit be blocking everything they can. They should be aggressively promoting an alternative policy agenda with real tangible benefits for real people.
But they won't do any of that. They'll stand around cock-in-hand and wait for Schumer's strategy of "give them everything they want" to payoff somehow (think trickledown) because the DNC is a corporation. They really aren't bothered by all the disastrous shit Chump is doing because it benefits them too.
I just hope Boeing puts as much time and love and care into the custom 747 as they have done with the 737 Max and 777-X
Dunno if you have watched it or not but I want them to start pretending it's an episode of West Wing because the Dems in that went hard. I'm tired of the milquetoast responses and typical DNC fair but they also are playing politics and trying what they think will work.
Imagine coming to a text based forum and thinking not reading is a flex.
It's an explicit attempt to troll
"I'm going to say something I know you won't like and pretend not to listen to any response because my goal is to anger you."
Frankly, if I was a mod of this forum, I'd ban [email protected] for trolling. They're not even trying to hide that that is their goal rather than actual discussion.
It's explicitly bad faith.
There are more eloquent ways to concede the argument.
Yeah, centrists don't arrive at their political opinions by reading.
Try harder halfwit
We blame you for him. You understand that, right? In our eyes, he's your guy.
Trying to make leftists feel bad about Trump doesn't work. We believe (And have the fucking receipts) that it is the DNC's (And the Clintons) corruption that is at fault that Trump is President. Again.
The Democratic Party died with Paul Wellstone.
centrists prefer trump over anyone to their left.
Hillary personally did more to put Trump in office than every protest voter & third party voter combined
Because the democrats are also corrupt, fucking duh
Liberals in 2017, a mere eight years before realizing Trump Bad
All these pushes to keep Hillary relevant is so tone deaf. Waiting for the day some doofus tries to tell me why we can't find better representation from the 350,000,000 people in the united states.
I don’t see her running for 2028.. where are you even seeing this?
Sorry, did I say that?
Just like during her campaign
AY-YO 🙏 self-five
Who are these people coming out in defense of Hilary in 2025?
I said nothing about running her for office.
That was the impression I got from what you wrote as well. Could you try saying it another way? Because it seems some of us aren't getting it.
Why do people want to keep Hilary relevant?
Right. I think a lot of people wonder about that. But you seemed to be driving at a point. Specifically this bit:
What did you mean by this if you weren't implying she was going to run again?
Who's pushing her? She posted on Bluesky and it's being shared. There's no conspiracy here.
Why aren't they sharing my post from bluesky?
So we can’t just appreciate the meaning of the words because she’s someone you don’t like? She didn’t end her post with “and that’s why you should vote for me in 2028”, she’s simply stating a fact.
Tell me you didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman without telling me you didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman harder.
More because she is deeply corrupt and her accusing Trump of corruption, while true, is not aimed at reducing corruption. It is done to distract from her corruption.
They allow Fox News viewers in here? Fucking yuck. Go back to Reddit brown shirt.
And you're apparently unaware of the Clinton foundation and the UAE.
Go read some history books.
Weak, try harder
Never gonna "appreciate" genocidal imperialists.
And no, gender doesn't make it ok.
“I refuse to acknowledge the veracity of knowledge because it came out of someone I dislikes mouth” is some real mouth breather shit. Go back to Reddit loser.
Just because I don't disagree with her on literally every issue doesn't mean that her words worth my time either.
I'm sure JK Rowling and I agree on something, but I still want her to keep all of her opinions to herself, not just her problematic ones. Because she has a hard time telling the difference.
I don’t want to hear anything from a hypocrite.
Then die stupid.
No, u
You’re spreading Propaganda Meanwhile trump is sending to death camps,.
Yea, you aren’t just sexist. You’re all the bigotry that is trump now.
Lol, we're back to "any criticism of Hillary Clinton is sexism"? I could've sworn it wasn't 2016 anymore.
I mean, it's not like centrists have changed for the better since then.
No moron, we’re at the “words coming out of the mouth of someone you dont like doesn’t automatically make them false”, did you pay attention in kindergarten?
350,000,000 people in the US, all saying things that can be appreciated.
Cool?
Sorry, I said words. I know how that might upset you.
Shhh, go away.
oh kay im leavingBa'al criticizing Satan.
He's allowed, they're buddies in Roman propaganda campaign victims.
So what does that make you if you take Satan at their lying word on who is ba’al ?
Don’t forget who started the rumour.
I think you're gonna have to explain the lore for those of us who haven't read the trilogy
The trilogy? No there's like 15 books in The Wheel of Time series
There is only one book in the wheel of time, its just so long you forget where you were in the slog and then start over.
If you're a Qatari prince, $400m is trivial. If anyone would give a genuinely free jet, they would.
That being said, this one is not a gift. It's manipulation. Stroke Trump's ego and pretend you like him and he'll do whatever you want, as long as you make him think it's his idea.
He's already excluded gas and oil from his stupid tariffs. And his family's heavily invested in SA. So, yes.
Qatar
Its why he us such a bitch about it too. All angsty on his fancy bbs. This is a thing that should never die. Like a rash that wont go away. President 747
One could say that they gifted him a bribe.
UAE is not Qatar is not Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, my bad. I'll edit it.
Qatar is not Saudi Arabia. Way to drive the point that you can't tell Arabs apart. Also Qatar is merely paying tributes and concessions, also bailing out Boeing.
Yeah, that was my bad. I'll edit it.
She would know, she was bought by two dozen corporations
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
Say what you want, her coronation as D candidate in 2015 over a much more popular Bernie Sanders led to a weak turnout by disenchanted D voters and Trump's victory in 2016.
Whether she is a murderer/ felon or not, she can take her opinion and shove it
How about this for evidence? Taken from M1ch431 elsewhere in this thread
Yeah, is this the information Julian Assange leaked. yeah fuck that guy too, I sure as hell ain’t voting for her and neither will you, so I don't know why we’re arguing
holy shit dude imagine @ing someone for exposing truth
on the fediverse of all places
I mean
yeah
But also
so
Oh no, better stop being nakedly corrupt Trump or you might get sLaMmEd again
I agree, but what a hypocritical cow. Fuck off Rod Ham.
😭🙏
And somehow all the insults about Hillary have to do with her gender.
Pot, kettle.
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/hillary-clinton/summary?cid=N00000019&cycle=CAREER
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Nothing wrong with speaking from experience.
I would really appreciate this twisted timeline we're in featuring the Clintons openly acknowledging that they know how corruption works from experience as a way to derail the current corruption train that we're all tied down in front of. The writers need to demonstrate that they haven't completely lost the plot or I'm cancelling my subscription
She also received money (@ least a million) from Qatar while in office.
She failed to report it, admitted it after being called out. It was part of the ridiculous show that won him the election.
She's the worst person to open her mouth about this, as she's directly guilty and tried to hide it.
Not 400 million, but a direct comparison with Qatar can be made.
Ah, the Russian bots are working overtime today to distract the left from talking about trump again.
We don't really need to talk about Trump's corruption. We all know he's corrupt and none of us are arguing about it.
But when the person who was so corrupt she couldn't win an election against the orange buffoon starts inserting herself into the conversation, accounts like yours come out of the woodwork to defend her using stale 2016 rhetoric. If there are fake accounts here, I'm pretty sure it's yours.
Brother Russian bots are at least getting paid for it. You are in this thread "protecting" fucking Hillary of all people, with your life, FOR FREE. Who is the real idiot here?
Truly, there is nothing like sitting in midwest america in trump land and being called a russian bot. @[email protected] I realize a nuanced view is difficult for many.
Should I insult you before I finish replying?
Is posting a fact about the 2016 election, and Hillary Clinton somehow disinformation?
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/oct/16/mike-pence/did-qatar-promise-clinton-foundation-1-million-fiv/
My point was, that the turd is being a hypocrite, in that part of his campaign in 2016 was capitalizing on her errors in failing to report external country lobbying.
There's strong evidence to point to Hillary being wrong here and very much the orange turd. Two things can be true.
I'm not trying to what about the facts.
Someone posted a screenshot of her top contributors.
I recently watched a video discussing the jet, which played clips of him arguing against her doing the same thing he's defending. I looked into it and found https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/13/trump-plane-qatar-comments/
As I noted in my statement which you replied to - It's not exactly the same, but comparable.
If anyone wonders why I would even try, please be aware of this adage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
seems the hillary stans can't respond to evidence
Seems accurate.
What trump is doing is wrong also.
Where did I say it was right? I am just calling out the hypocrisy.
Clinton's charity confirms Qatar's $1 million gift while she was at State Department
Hillary is just jealous she has to hide and do it slowly for years whereas Trump doesn't give a single fuck and do it the obnoxious way for 2 times more money.
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
Stats for this thread:
Comments about Hillary Clinton: 150
Comments about the president of the US receiving a bribe: 3
My brother in Christ, there are a thousand other threads about Trump being corrupt full of people lamenting Trump being corrupt.
But this post is like hearing Al Capone chastise Pablo Escobar over organized crime.
I feel like thats an insult to Al Capone, he ran a soup kitchen during the Depression.
He also handed out turkeys on Thanksgiving and is the reason we have expiration dates on milk bottles.
I didn't know that about old scarface, I will be adding that to the list of fun facts right next to the fact that at least one Roman Emperor thought that he was becoming a god right between violently shitting himself to death.
When you share a little factoids like this, you don’t think check to see if they’re true, this sounds like it was designed to be shared and to be viral, but nothing of whether it was fucking true or not, Jesus, fucking Christ dude do better on the Internet
It's almost as though no one likes her.
She had plenty of supporters, why do you think Bernie was shut out? It was just mostly the older and more centrist democrats, so not people on here.
Because her supporters run the party.
Your downvotes don't change the facts, there was a decent core of supporters in the democratic party. You're wrong when you say no one liked her. The fact that you don't like that wing of the democratic party doesn't change the fact that they're around.
And there was plenty of people who supported her in the caucus, which was 100% ordinary people voting with their butt. It's fine if you don't like her, but don't act like nobody supported her. You and the people you talk to aren't the entire democratic party.
Nobody's acting like "nobody supported her". Plenty of people supported her, but she didn't support them and so they should be called by their proper name:
fools
Three of the comments said or inferred that directly.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Plenty of billionaire supporters, yes
Because the DNC admitted it in court.
Not plenty enough to keep that orange turd out of office the first time and putting us all in this mess.
It’s almost as though human beings have lost the ability to prioritize what actually matters
It's almost as though no one wants to hear from her anymore except a bunch of people who are so unforgivably out of touch that they think she's a good messenger.
It might be a good point, but she doesn't deserve positive attention ever.
This is a post about her and her tweet. If you want to discuss the Air Force Bribe, I'm sure there are thousands of simultaneous discussions happening at various points on the internet. Perhaps even millions.
Sorry that this space isn't dedicated to that, though.
What is your point? Lemmy is full of Trump criticism. It's the norm. One thread shitting on Hillary won't change that.
cause the post is ab her. I don't think we should be propping up a CLINTON as opposition to trump
It's her turn
She may not be playing now, but I feel it's fair to point out that Hillary has played some stupid games - the American people reap the stupid prize.
Thanks Hildawg, would have never thought of that otherwise... /s
Now hold on there pal, she isn't playing around alright. She's a real go getter badass.
IM JUST CHILLING
ON BLUE SKY SOCIAL
Go back in your hole Clinton, last thing people need is Clintons
I would think that Hillary having some experience in accepting bribes, would know...
So idk why everyone is doing the pot/kettle thing (with various wordings). She's speaking from experience.
Corruption is probably one thing that Hillary knows about, and she's calling it out. Doesn't mean she's any less guilty of being bribed, not does it mean that this isn't a bribe for Trump, nor does that mean we should be unhappy at Trump and not unhappy at her for them both doing it.
My point here is, why not both?
So she's basically Frank Abagnale Jr. now?
I don't know who that is
Catch Me If You Can
Leo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks,
Right. I saw that movie once, years ago.
ooo! a real zinger from an irrelevant loser? now THAT will solve some problems.
so sick of these stupid 'dunks' and social media circle jerks.
Be serious, guys.
I know she is right, but still I can't help but think of this face while reading it.
Why hasn't she simply had Trump murdered like all of the other people shes had murdered?
She can only do that using Hunter Biden's laptop.
Do people seriously believe this propaganda ? It’s just so shitpost quality
When I use /s or /jk when I'm not serious and people get bent out of shape about it. When I don't use it, and I find out a mod mass banned me from their communities over it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
Out of everybody out there, Hillary "I got a half a million dollars from Goldman Sachs for spending a few hours giving a speech to some traders" Clinton is maybe not the best person to talk about this.
Then again, she does have the benefit of hands on experience on this.
I'd leave Hillary alone. She's a relic from a different era. Not really relevant these days.
shut the fuck up Hillary you're the reason he's where he is
Context?
Qatar gifted Trump a jet.
To be used as Air Force One.
Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
You know, I thought this expensive plane was not a big deal, but she's made me reconsider. /s
Hillary is haunting... In general...
She and Bill would definitely know this but then also lacking the self awareness to call it out, that is the surprising part.
She and her husbandThe Clinton foundation recieved hundrends of millions from those same gulf countries much more than $400m accounting for inflationI don't want to see this horrible fucking idiot's take on anything.
Also fuck Donald Trump
Now if it was just a ride on a jet, that's totally fine. Absolutely nothing suspicious could happen on a jet you just hitched a ride on.
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Well, technically it could be reimbursement for something.
That is a $400 million money pit, not a jet
They're searching for an idiot to accept and pay for its maintenance fees
Hillary is a murderer.
This remains all her fault.
Not only does no one give someone a $400 million dollar jet for free without expecting anything in return, they also don't give it away for free unless they know they are dealing who they know will give something at least comparable back in return. You can tell who Trump doesn't grift by things like this.
But they can just write it off their taxes!!
True but also let’s be serious about middle names
But it’s on the middle…..technically lol
As someone who lied about being shot at when she exited a jet in Belgrade, she should learn the word “retirement”.
$400 million is such a drop in what we have given to other countries. She's not wrong, but she's not right.
Do you believe the USA has a net positive on the world?
Sure you give money in aid to many places, but how much of that destabilisation has been caused by them?
I’m of the view that America is the worst thing to happen to the world.
Oh you're attributing things to my comment I didn't mean. The US government is out of control. Yes we give massive dollars all around, and the government expects quid pro quo. None of it is what the people want, it's what the government does. It's all corrupt. But so was Hillary.
Oh my apologies for misinterpreting your comment.
Why would someone have to axe to grind with a country? Unless that country wronged that person.
Happy to be recommended some resources to read, but I’ve eyes my friend and I’ve seen the atrocities America has committed and I’m currently witnessing the ones they allow their friends to commit.
Online 'liberals' hate Hillary more than they hate trump.
Way to go guys, if you'd have gotten on board and simply voted for her, you probably would have gotten half the shit you wanted. Instead, we have a dictatorship now.
Sanders supporters voted in greater numbers for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008.
Clinton supporters were so unhappy in 2008 that they didn't get 100% of everything they wanted that they formed a PAC to support McCain.
Fucking PUMA's.
she's amazing <3 i often wonder how much better 2000-2025 would have been if america wasn't so misogynistic and racist.
I literally gagged reading this. Fuck Clinton. Her pissweak version of "liberalism" is why we have Trump again.
I dunno if that's better.... Or worse.
Honestly, all politicians are crooks and liars, so nothing here surprises me.
I agree with the second part of your statement.
Yeah, the last bit there is just truth.
The first bit.... Not so sure that anyone should be admitting that in a public forum.
Wow, guys. I don't know her from whatever the shit Fox said, so forgive me for discounting the speaker for something you personally witnessed. I'd ask what she did other than be the target of the Bernie backstabbing, but it feels like COVID and 2 Trumps ago.
So. She has a point.
Remember when we didn't kill the messenger because we remembered what Genghis did for that?
Is this the shitlib tankies always accuse me of being?
How about the UAE blatantly bribing her through the Clinton foundation.
She's not pissed about the plane. She's pissed it didn't go to her.
Wow. What a bunch of shit comments.
Has Lemmy really gone to shit this fast??
There is no higher quality comment than to enter the comments section and generally declare the comments as shit. The cherry on top is to expand that generality to say all of lemmy has "gone to shit".
Seriously, I don't know what in particular you have an issue with, just that you think a bunch of comments are shit.
Dude literally no one likes Hilary, no matter what party you vote for. She is so unlikable, even her own husband doesn't like her.
You do know this, right?
You seem to be new here my friend. It happened a long time ago, especially during the US elections. Everything seems to be about trump, elon musk, capitalism, killing CEOs, and the like and it all started in a big way then. But there’s ways you can filter out most of it using your app if you’d like.