I think homosexuality has reached a level of societal acceptance(at least in the west), that it is ok to be ironically homophobic again.
Then again, some might argue that being against nazis was a societal norm, so being ironically nazi was fine too. Yet here we are now, where being unironically nazi is somewhat acceptable by a large part of the society.
It's a way for people to recognize that times have changed and that by making jokes ironically it means that yes they are accepted as gay and that we do acknowledge that it was a real struggle in the past
Maybe we should think about these memes less as complex thought-out statements, and more as reflections of the times they are created in, just like all art.
I wouldn't say this is an insane take from that person, or misandrist really. I have no other meanings in regards to what that person says, but in this case this is a sensible take.
The whole meme is about how women are "hysterical" and overly emotional. While men are calm and chill creatures.
It caters to stereotypes that view women in a negative light. I know exactly zero women who act like this. Most women are calm and chill people as well. Unless you of course call them hysterical or overly emotional, then they can rightfully get a bit mad. You would probably react that way also. It kinda infantalizes you.
I would as a man, expect my best friend to tell me if he's moving, expecting a child, or is getting married, within a reasonable timeframe. That is within a couple of months.
Also it's not manly to share your life with a friend apparently.
I'm 40+ and a couple of months ago started therapy. I didn't even knew I needed therapy, went with my wife for couple therapy and it quickly turned into personal therapy.
What I learned after some tests is that I fall into the top 4% of men who are emotional closed off. This is pretty extreme, but maybe the worst part is, I never even knew. This is the stereotype we teach boys, men don't have emotions, they don't talk about emotions, etc.
Thanks, it's kind of weird how much change this made in a few months. It also really changed my relationship with my parents and made it less superficial. Can highly recommend to dig in your own past a bit and see what you pushed way down, and actually deal with it.
I don't know how serious one has to take themselves to find this "ultimately insulting". It's a silly meme and it's funny because most men can relate to it.
I'm no psychoanalyst but it sounds like someone is insecure in their ability to love and be loved and would prefer to guarantee a balanced reciprocity of low effort on both sides.
I enjoyed the stereotype to laugh it but I feel obligated to state one thing. Relationships require maintenance, that's it regardless of boy or girl. Sure some people might say hi back but that doesn't mean they're a friend.
Idunno I have quite a few friends where we only interact like every 4-8 months ish. But when we do we talk everyday for a month or two, then go separate ways again. Lifes busy we all know that. Not being in contact does no mean losing a friend.
Oh, friends assume sexual preference based on other things too. Like the way you eat a hotdog, what kind of car you drive, how quickly you can recognize that the song is by Kyle Minogue, how long you hold a sloppy french kiss with your homies, wether you you sit with your legs crossed or slow down on a yellow light.
It's probably been two years. Ever since he got married and moved out of town this has been normal for us. Also he works during the day and I work during the night so it's difficult to find a good time to talk.
Yes. That's a big part of what's going on. A lot of men, particularly poor and middle class, have no real culture of interaction and have been told they are worth the money they make a month and nothing else.
As a woman, yeah i totally accidentally told my bros I got married a few years after the fact. In my defense we eloped and my friends and I sometimes go a few years without talking much
This idea that any kind of relationship should be effortless and easy is, frankly, incredibly absurd. Good relationships (of which friendships are) take real effort and work. If you don't want to put that work in to it then you need a pet rock, not a friend.
People drift apart. Actually making the effort to communicate and meet up occasionally is important for maintaining those relationships. If you're not in the place where you're can stay aware of major life changes (marriage, divorce, kids, major career changes, moves between cities, major illness or injury, deaths in family, etc.), were you really "friends for life"?
Even making brunch plans in my 40s requires consulting a calendar. That naturally shrinks the number of close friends in the mix. I'm closer with my friends who live close than the ones who live far, simply out of inertia, that maintaining those relationships takes less effort.
Yeah, active relationships take effort. However, the true friends I made growing up, I can hit them up or they can hit me up, after any number of years, and we pick up right where we left off... It hits different.
I think it is funny. I enjoyed it because like most good humor, it is a playful exaggeration on patterns that exist on real life. Sometimes those patterns break along racial or gendered lines, and that's ok. You're not a bad person if you think it's funny. I get laughs out of lighthearted humor that pokes fun at men as well.
Are they really patterns, though? Or is it confirmation bias?
Even early psychological studies from 100+ years ago found that women, on average, feel and react to emotional stresses the same way as men. There are 100+ year old studies on PMS that say women, on average, don't express more anger or sadness prior to or while on a period - and yet we still get hysterical women PMSing memes.
Media can make us see patterns that aren't there. Media can change the way people view the world around them and affect how they behave.
I think it is a trend that men in general are less inquisitive about each other's personal lives and discuss them less often, yes. I don't think that's an inherently good or bad thing but I think it's true. Also, it's worth noting that the "PMS mood swings are a social construct" theory is still listed as an "Alternative Theory" on the Wikipedia page and the handful of women I've talked to about it have all said no, the mood swings are definitely real.
Don't let me get in the way of what you think, or what wikipedia and other women have told you. I'm basing basing my comment on the psychology courses I've taken.
It's important to note that research on PMS has been fraught with medical, historical and personal biases. This is a very well done article on why the issue is incredibly nuanced: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK565629/
The other reason this is a sore spot for me is because I am a woman who lived with undiagnosed mental and physical disorders for over ten years because my complaints were disregarded as menstrual symptoms. I was eager to internalize that because of prevalent media that pushes the idea of the hormone-driven, irrational female, without providing the basis for those claims.
As it turns out, being in a whole fuck lot of pain and having doctors tell you that's normal can make someone pretty irritated.
Sorry, I don't understand. Were you experiencing severe pain and mental symptoms related to your menstrual cycle? If so, why would you be arguing against the notion that PMS symptoms are real? If anything I would think telling women "nope sorry, your perceived symptoms are all in your head, that is just a patriarchal myth that you've internalized" is more condescending than saying that PMS symptoms are real.
I'm gonna be honest I didn't read that entire chapter but I think I get the gist of it. King posits that PMS is falsely understood to be a primarily mental/mood-related condition due to the underlying sexist belief that women are fundamentally irrational and overly emotional. Sure, no disagreement there. PMS has sort of become a meme and a cultural phenomenon, which may cause women and men both to play up the mood swing side of it. With that said, "The chief complaint is one or more of the emotional symptoms associated with PMS. Irritability, tension, or unhappiness are typical emotional symptoms". According again to Wikipedia which in my experience is more accurate than any single source or anecdote.
I'm with you but just for the sake of hypothesizing an answer, it might be that those who like it or don't think too much about it just read, upvote, and move on. While those who have comments click and share.
Woman bad
And this one even has a little homophobia sprinkled in.
I think homosexuality has reached a level of societal acceptance(at least in the west), that it is ok to be ironically homophobic again.
Then again, some might argue that being against nazis was a societal norm, so being ironically nazi was fine too. Yet here we are now, where being unironically nazi is somewhat acceptable by a large part of the society.
And being homophobic is even more acceptable by a large part of the society.
Us gays are savagely homophobic for comedic effect, so yeah. 😅
If two guys friends are dating it's very important to warn them that their partner is gay
Bonus panel:
Even chadder face: “I married my husband”
Lol bro that's gay, congrats !
It does appear this post is ultra based. /s
I get what you mean but that's not homophobic. I mean, it's true in my case. Lol
where did you get that from, along with 30 people who upvoted this
It's a way for people to recognize that times have changed and that by making jokes ironically it means that yes they are accepted as gay and that we do acknowledge that it was a real struggle in the past
Yeah, exactly, I thought that that comment was forcefully trying to find the post offensive
"I barely talk to my friends lol."
"There's a male loneliness epidemic."
Maybe we should think about these memes less as complex thought-out statements, and more as reflections of the times they are created in, just like all art.
"I spend my free time playing Marvel games and Fortnite, I never go outside and never try to meet new people in any way.
Why is society making me so lonely? 🥺🥺 How come w*men won't eff me? 🤬🤬🤬"
Thanks, I am validated now
Stealing this bc true
Tagged as "insane misandrist", it sure checks out.
I wouldn't say this is an insane take from that person, or misandrist really. I have no other meanings in regards to what that person says, but in this case this is a sensible take.
The whole meme is about how women are "hysterical" and overly emotional. While men are calm and chill creatures.
It caters to stereotypes that view women in a negative light. I know exactly zero women who act like this. Most women are calm and chill people as well. Unless you of course call them hysterical or overly emotional, then they can rightfully get a bit mad. You would probably react that way also. It kinda infantalizes you.
I would as a man, expect my best friend to tell me if he's moving, expecting a child, or is getting married, within a reasonable timeframe. That is within a couple of months.
I've now tagged you as "insane misogynist" for the sake of balance.
Your profile got tags?
I have tagged you as trolololol
That's very kind of you. I'll change my name so you can make the most of the tag. My new name will be..... "not trololol"
???????????????
[email protected]
Ooh! Can I get that tag too pls 🥺
What if I call you a stinky moid? 🥺🥺🥺
I had a friend who excitedly told me about their new car but neglected to mention their 6 month old son.
Stereotypes, get your stereotypes, fresh gender stereotypes right here.
Men who don't marry are gay and woman are always mad at each other over nothing.
The guy didn't explicitly say he married a woman, might still be gay.
My first thought ^^
Real
Also it's not manly to share your life with a friend apparently.
I'm 40+ and a couple of months ago started therapy. I didn't even knew I needed therapy, went with my wife for couple therapy and it quickly turned into personal therapy.
What I learned after some tests is that I fall into the top 4% of men who are emotional closed off. This is pretty extreme, but maybe the worst part is, I never even knew. This is the stereotype we teach boys, men don't have emotions, they don't talk about emotions, etc.
Don’t you cry or I’ll give you something to cry about.
Good for you!
Thanks, it's kind of weird how much change this made in a few months. It also really changed my relationship with my parents and made it less superficial. Can highly recommend to dig in your own past a bit and see what you pushed way down, and actually deal with it.
Thanks for the recommendation. I know it's something I need to do but I don't have the funds right now - working on that though!
I do meditation, journalling, but I know there's more to mental health than what you can do on your own.
And we wonder why there's a male loneliness epidemic
It's because of women hating all men of course.
Something something space lasers!
Keep in mind they call each other bro because in 45 years they don't even know each others names since they met.
Would die for each other tho.
I have friends that i know for 10+ years and i don't know their real names
I picked up an order at a stor for a long time friend the other day. They needed his last name. Luckily I was able to reach him via text.
I learned someone's name at work yesterday. We've been at the same location for like 8 months... and we have nametags...
This guy works
"But I am gay."
Plot twist!
He is gay, married another bro.
That's the least possible gay thing he could do.
How about transitioning to a woman, then marrying their female best friend? I feel like that would at least be slightly less gay
It is a little weird when you meet an old friend and they are now trans
I respect but it was a culture shock
Girl boring guy quirky.
And it’s ultimately insulting to men too, like the idea of being excited to share personal news is somehow anathema to the male experience.
I don't know how serious one has to take themselves to find this "ultimately insulting". It's a silly meme and it's funny because most men can relate to it.
I'm not even that other person, just letting you know you're an asshole.
Just so you know, this isn't Reddit. You've just been blocked by everyone reading along here.
If you start to feel like no one replies here, it's actually you, in this case. It could help to try again with a new account.
Do we have an IAmVerySmart community on Lemmy? Because you would fit right in over there. Over here everybody just thinks you're a smug asshole.
I'm no psychoanalyst but it sounds like someone is insecure in their ability to love and be loved and would prefer to guarantee a balanced reciprocity of low effort on both sides.
Isn't it just boy and girl different?
Yes. Men and women are different.
I enjoyed the stereotype to laugh it but I feel obligated to state one thing. Relationships require maintenance, that's it regardless of boy or girl. Sure some people might say hi back but that doesn't mean they're a friend.
Idunno I have quite a few friends where we only interact like every 4-8 months ish. But when we do we talk everyday for a month or two, then go separate ways again. Lifes busy we all know that. Not being in contact does no mean losing a friend.
True, but I also don't want to be friends with you if you get upset because I'm not constantly sharing my whole life story with you at all times.
I've had my share of high maintenance friends, and I burn out so quick.
True. But I've had some great friendships grow after years of just "hi" in passing. We weren't friends yet, but we were destined to become friends.
But if you’re an incel and a Chad says “hi” back then yeah, it’s a big deal for those weirdos
gay people cant get married?
Soon maybe not anymore
Once again, Estonia is the best of the Baltics.
Estonia being called baltic and not nordic:
Why not both?
I think south korea recognizes all marriages performed by recognized countries, but im not sure where the law is at right now. it's on the mend though
Depends on where you are sadly.
He was starting to think it, and now he knows.
When offer to go to lunch with someone you haven't seen in 15 years and they respond with as long as its not within 100ft of a school
SNL did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YChioDnHxm4
Ah yes assuming sexual preference based on martial status, just like friends do.
Oh, friends assume sexual preference based on other things too. Like the way you eat a hotdog, what kind of car you drive, how quickly you can recognize that the song is by Kyle Minogue, how long you hold a sloppy french kiss with your homies, wether you you sit with your legs crossed or slow down on a yellow light.
Damn, I can never remember how long to french kiss my bros either! Have been called gay so many times for it.
My one homie always wants me to hold eye contact while I'm blowing him. I'm like, bro that's so gay just cum in my mouth already.
One does not preclude the other...
Shit, that reminds me I should text my best friend, he might be a father by now.
When was the last time you texted him?
It's probably been two years. Ever since he got married and moved out of town this has been normal for us. Also he works during the day and I work during the night so it's difficult to find a good time to talk.
Uh just the standard interval, 10 years ago
also men: "WE HAVE A LONELINESS EPIDEMIC!"
Yes. That's a big part of what's going on. A lot of men, particularly poor and middle class, have no real culture of interaction and have been told they are worth the money they make a month and nothing else.
When people watermark memes. SMH
Weird incel memes at that
I'm genuinely curious here: what makes this an incel meme?
The high maintenance example is women, while the low maintenance example is men, but that does seem to be a bit of a leap.
It's stereotypical humor and not meant to be taken literally or held against women
Ohhh I didn't realize you made it and knew the original intent and context in which it was created and shared
As a woman, yeah i totally accidentally told my bros I got married a few years after the fact. In my defense we eloped and my friends and I sometimes go a few years without talking much
This is something I don’t like about guys, as a guy.
Damn, really easy to spot the Americans in the comments
Did he just assume his friends' partner's gender?
This idea that any kind of relationship should be effortless and easy is, frankly, incredibly absurd. Good relationships (of which friendships are) take real effort and work. If you don't want to put that work in to it then you need a pet rock, not a friend.
People drift apart. Actually making the effort to communicate and meet up occasionally is important for maintaining those relationships. If you're not in the place where you're can stay aware of major life changes (marriage, divorce, kids, major career changes, moves between cities, major illness or injury, deaths in family, etc.), were you really "friends for life"?
Even making brunch plans in my 40s requires consulting a calendar. That naturally shrinks the number of close friends in the mix. I'm closer with my friends who live close than the ones who live far, simply out of inertia, that maintaining those relationships takes less effort.
You described a lot of effort on your end to keep that relationship going. That's what I mean. Relationships require maintenance.
Yeah, active relationships take effort. However, the true friends I made growing up, I can hit them up or they can hit me up, after any number of years, and we pick up right where we left off... It hits different.
This is very real, I felt this
Most of the comments share my distain for this sexist shit "humor." So where are the over 500 upvotes coming from? Who likes this shit?
I think it is funny. I enjoyed it because like most good humor, it is a playful exaggeration on patterns that exist on real life. Sometimes those patterns break along racial or gendered lines, and that's ok. You're not a bad person if you think it's funny. I get laughs out of lighthearted humor that pokes fun at men as well.
Are they really patterns, though? Or is it confirmation bias?
Even early psychological studies from 100+ years ago found that women, on average, feel and react to emotional stresses the same way as men. There are 100+ year old studies on PMS that say women, on average, don't express more anger or sadness prior to or while on a period - and yet we still get hysterical women PMSing memes.
Media can make us see patterns that aren't there. Media can change the way people view the world around them and affect how they behave.
I think it is a trend that men in general are less inquisitive about each other's personal lives and discuss them less often, yes. I don't think that's an inherently good or bad thing but I think it's true. Also, it's worth noting that the "PMS mood swings are a social construct" theory is still listed as an "Alternative Theory" on the Wikipedia page and the handful of women I've talked to about it have all said no, the mood swings are definitely real.
Don't let me get in the way of what you think, or what wikipedia and other women have told you. I'm basing basing my comment on the psychology courses I've taken.
It's important to note that research on PMS has been fraught with medical, historical and personal biases. This is a very well done article on why the issue is incredibly nuanced: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK565629/
The other reason this is a sore spot for me is because I am a woman who lived with undiagnosed mental and physical disorders for over ten years because my complaints were disregarded as menstrual symptoms. I was eager to internalize that because of prevalent media that pushes the idea of the hormone-driven, irrational female, without providing the basis for those claims.
As it turns out, being in a whole fuck lot of pain and having doctors tell you that's normal can make someone pretty irritated.
Sorry, I don't understand. Were you experiencing severe pain and mental symptoms related to your menstrual cycle? If so, why would you be arguing against the notion that PMS symptoms are real? If anything I would think telling women "nope sorry, your perceived symptoms are all in your head, that is just a patriarchal myth that you've internalized" is more condescending than saying that PMS symptoms are real.
I feel like you need to read my comment and the link provided again.
I'm gonna be honest I didn't read that entire chapter but I think I get the gist of it. King posits that PMS is falsely understood to be a primarily mental/mood-related condition due to the underlying sexist belief that women are fundamentally irrational and overly emotional. Sure, no disagreement there. PMS has sort of become a meme and a cultural phenomenon, which may cause women and men both to play up the mood swing side of it. With that said, "The chief complaint is one or more of the emotional symptoms associated with PMS. Irritability, tension, or unhappiness are typical emotional symptoms". According again to Wikipedia which in my experience is more accurate than any single source or anecdote.
I'm with you but just for the sake of hypothesizing an answer, it might be that those who like it or don't think too much about it just read, upvote, and move on. While those who have comments click and share.
People with a sense of humor who don't get offended each time wind blows.
This is not even funny. Just sad boomer humor
Chill man. It's a meme
A sexist meme. What's your point? Is sexism okay as long as it uses these meme faces and is posted in a meme subs?
Light hearted not so sexist memes are fine and accepted by everyone
It's not that deep
This is neither light hearted nor accepted by everyone, hence the existence of this conversation. If it's satire it's not obvious at all.
If you think this isn't light hearted meme then I don't know man. I guess you never opened instagram, reddit or any other social media
it's funny because it pokes fun at the latent sexism in our culture. It's not glorifying it, it's portraying it as silly.