“The European Union won’t take chicken from America. They won’t take lobsters from America. They hate our beef because our beef is beautiful and theirs is weak. It’s unbelievable” Lutnick told FoxNews
https://nypost.com/2025/04/03/us-news/howard-lutnick-defends-trump-tariffs-says-eu-hates-us-meat-our-beef-is-beautiful-and-theirs-is-weak/Open linkView original on feddit.nl651
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what is this new american trend of infantile statements?
It's hardly new. The United States have always been like that one popular kid in an elementary school. If you act the way he wants, he can be nice to you and your on his team. Take one step in a different direction and they'll start badmouthing you, preferably behind your back.
They've been doing this to Russia and China for decades. As long as they have the stage, they can create any narrative they want and the audience will most likely adopt the opinion and start saying the same things.
The thing about propaganda is that, if it fits in your frame or reference, you'll be more likely to accept it. If it doesn't fit, like when it is about you, suddenly you'll realize that this is something they have been doing about others all along and that it doesn't break any patterns, apart from the recognition patterns of the receiver.
It is not about the behaviour, it is about the language. Back then even though they were bullies, they did at least use adult diplomatic language. It is about the brainrot of Trumps sycophants copying his bizarre childish way of talking.
Sadly that kind of language apparently resonates with voters more than intelligent speech. It's happening all across Europe as well. As someone from the Netherlands, I had a bit of a laugh when the right wing populists found out that governing is not at all as simple as they make it out to be. It's the embodiment of 'fuck around and find out'.
This is how the fascists evangelize to the morons, the lower educated.
See, when they say stuff like “our beef is beautiful, and theirs is weak, they’re jealous” or “these tariffs might be the manliest thing, they’re going to being us back from woke and give more testosterone” they’re not talking to you.
I mean, they know you’re gonna hear them but they know you’re smart enough to know what they’re doing.
What they’re really doing is rilling up all the dumb, uneducated masses that voted them in. They’re filling the airwaves with buzzwords, and their fucking sleeper zombies awaken from their WWE stupor, they all turn down their sweat lodge manosphere podcasts and go “yesss daddy make us more stronger omg trump greatest ever we’re gonna dunk on those nerds”
They think this will scare you and intimidate you not because of their words directly, but because you understand the effects of what they’re really doing. You know, because of the implication.
Of course it’s fucking stupid, but the problem is they will actually throw a tantrum when you tell them to fuck off and that’s when fascism gets ugly. God help us all.
The majority of the US reads below a 6th grade level. They’re talking to those people, because those are the dumb ones that put them in power.
It is simple sadly. An infant is running the country. They want to make sure he can understand what they're saying publicly without it having to go through a translator. Note the excessive use of the word beautiful for instance.
It's really simple, the bootlickers realize that impressing Trump is the only way to move up in MAGA world, so 100% of their effort is put toward doing that which leads to many different embarrassing acts including him here trying to mimic his fetid babytalk.
New?
Food from the USA is not up to European standards. It's that simple.
Just look at how long it took to ban Red Dye #3. Banned almost completely in Europe in 1994, while in the US it's legal until 2027.
Just want to piggy back on the red dye thing. The dye was banned in January, and shortly after, in February, a canal in Argentina turned red, which people suspected was from a dye manufacturer dumping into the water way: https://vt.co/news/weird/concerns-raised-after-canal-water-mysteriously-turns-red-like-blood-overnight
I suspect the two events are related.
That seems unlikely. Demand for these things tends to taper off. It's not like the products using this dye immediately had their formula changed when the law passed. Instead, production of the dye will slow down as those products get a new formula, and they'll continue to use old stock until it's depleted.
Besides, the article points to other likely sources of pollution.
I'm confused, is that how a ban works? Companies are allowed to continue to use it from massive stockpiles as long as some day in the future they stop? It sounds way too easy to game...
Under US law, yeah typically. There were a number of companies that hoarded lead paint in 1978 for exactly that reason, and it was perfectly legal. Similar story for asbestos. What sucks is afterwards, there's no clear line to know if someone might have the banned substance. I also have no idea if this is the case for this particular law.
But regardless, red dye 3 isn't banned until 2027 for food, and 2028 for drugs. These will all be reformulated by that date, but for now production continues unabated.
Ah, that makes sense. I thought the ban was already in effect here...
Don't forget high fructose corn syrup, which is still legal in the US, despite having a conspiracy theorist who hates it in charge of the Department of Health and who could get that ball rolling with a word.
Corn subsidies effectively bankroll a number of (Solid Red) US states. That shit's big business, with big lobbyist payrolls, with big lawyers behind them.
The corn lobby is nearly as strong as the oil lobby... it aint going nowhere.
Eww... We don't need chlorine infused chicken and chemical soaked eggs. No idea what crap they have in their mad cow beef and lobster. Ban it by law, put it into the constitution change all the national anthem to say EU citizens will be protected from US chemical infused meat and eggs. Write it into a huge stone facing US in multiple languages. Make T-shirts too and hats.
Don't american eggs need to be refrigerated and cannot be eaten raw or something ridiculous
They are washed with harsh chemicals, leading to the destruction of the natural protective layer (that protective layer prevents germs like salmonella from entering the egg)
Apparently, it's to combat salmonella contamination from fecies on the shell.
European countries instead vaccinate their chickens, have higher hygiene and biosecurity standards (with regular inspections) for farms and frequently collect the eggs to avoid any surface contamination without having to wash their eggs.
But we just hope that harsh chemicals will cover up the natural consequences of our inhumane practices. So I can see both sides.
Please send help. We're disgusting.
That's why European eggs are so much more expensive.... Right?
/S
I see your /s and raise you 1.99 for barn, 2.39 for free-range, 3.39 for organic, 10pcs each, all without chick shredding. And 2.49 for cooked and painted barn eggs. (Those are actually available pretty much all-year round: First customers complained that they could only buy cooked eggs around Easter, then other customers complained that they unwittingly bought cooked eggs because they looked like all the others so now they're painting eggs year-round).
TIL
It’s because they are washed in a different way than the rest of the world.
Neither does America: they fired the people who check this.
Weak unchlorinated meat, unbelievable!
Now you also know why he’s popular with his voters
It actually wasn't Drumpf that said this shit this time. Some asshole named Lutnick.
Edit: apparently he's the Secretary of Commerce
Why yes. I want my beef *checks notes* beautiful. And strong.
God damn it that's not how people are supposed to speak.
"...because our beef is beautiful and theirs is weak."
My brother in christ, what the fluffer nutter cyberfuck are you talking about?!?
Who believes this? It's such an obvious lie. It's just a signal to the troops that statements don't need contain logic, right?
Who needs logic, this is a discussion about beautiful beef dammit!
Stupid sexy cows
Sam?
Your beef is corn fed and cows cant digest it, get fucked. Grass fed ftw.
But corn fed tastes better
All that mistreatment no doubt, and the antibiotics, yum
So according to the NY Post, the apparent absence of complaints in the US is an argument why US beef is better?
In other words: They have no clue and are just guessing. That (parts of) the EU may be following an entirely different trend is completely unimaginable.
My personal anecdotal evidence: Basically everyone I know who eats less beef does so because of pricing, wanting to adopt a healthier/different diet or because they don't want to shut their eyes as much to what "meat production" means for a cow anymore. Then there's the group who just goes along with that because they either don't prepare meals themselves or so they're not the only one not eating at least vegetarian. Not a single one of them does it because they "cannot be sure of the quality they are purchasing".
Ofc my anecdotal evidence isn't saying anything about the entire EU either. I merely wanted to showcase how easy it would be to frame the entire thing completely differently.
My view through the tainted window: fewer farmers, less government assistance, more droughts, higher expenses. Overall, not worth the trouble.
Two sides of the same coin. Bottom line is beef is pricey and importing it from the states wouldn't change that for the better so nobody wants to.
Beef is expensive
Exactly why i mentioned "pricing" as part of my anecdotal evidence.
It's utterly absurd, there is nothing wrong with the beef in Europe
NY post is owned by Murdoch.
This part is hilariously stupid because there isn't a block of those exports. It's a block on genetically modified foods. These countries have a lot of common sense policies concerning the sale of GMOs because they do not want to get stuck in the monoculture death spiral that the US agricultural sector is stuck in.
This is another stupid one. The Japanese don't like idiotically massive cars. Which is 90% of what American carmakers sell.
I lived in Japan for several years and wholeheartedly second this. I had a later model Nissan Skyline that was roughly the size of a Camry and that thing was too big for the cities.
As an African with access to reasonable traditional cattle farming, I can say that American beef tastes like crap. Looks amazing, but tastes like crap.
It depends on where it comes from in the US. You're spot on when it comes to basically anything sold in a grocery store. But we have some great cattle that produces great beef. You have to go to high end butchers for it though. Or buy it directly from the ranchers and butcher it yourself.
Can the butcher assure you that the animal hasn't been given an amount of chemicals that would be banned in the EU?
Not really. It's weird. You kinda have to be familiar with the ranch that raises the beef, and the ones that don't use a ton of chemicals also don't advertise to the public. It's basically only available to small town folks who are "in the know" and boutique restaurants. This has been my experience, anyway. One of my exes comes from a cattle rancher family, so my sample size is tiny. Other people may have other experiences.
Narrator: "No"
The best steak I ever had. I watched iit graze in pasture a couple hours before eating it.
Really that was the best. You know you should hang meat for a couple days. Cows usually for a week some want 21 days. If you thought a freshly killed cow steak was great this well blow your mind.
You can cook before rigor mortis begins and it is akin to hung but not aged meat.
Those evil Europeans like quality. But not American, only real quality.
American animal "farms" are a dirty and unhygienic mess, and the fact that people still eat their products in the US makes people elsewhere cringe in horror. I love to shock Americans with "Mettbrötchen", a crispy roll with raw, minced pork meat. Perfectly safe to eat here. But people who are used to washed.eggs and chlorinated chicken recoil in horror to something like that.
If someone asked me to describe the animals rolling in and meat out of Tönnies Factories I would use the same words to describe it.
Our meat isn't that much better (still better than in the US, but the prepackaged stuff in the supermarket is still low quality), no reason to be smug here and riding the high horse
In the States, we're told that raw pork puts you in danger of trichinosis. Does your methodology somehow eliminate that threat?
Obviously. I remember butchering a pig at a farm, and before the meat could be processed any further, the vet checked it for a number of issues, among them trichiosis.
German Farms are like that too. But ours have just a tad more regulations.
The "tad" fills a few shelves of folders.
Still hasnt prevented Tönies from happily competing with american shit factories.
There is still a load of difference between even the lowest tier Tönnies and an American abattoir.
America won't buy our corn and guns!
Why won't America buy our corn and guns?
Oh, because they make their own and they're fucking thousands of miles away.
what's the worst that can happen to chicken in a couple thousand miles from a country of origin with no regulations
You don't want 10-day aged chicken?
Or maybe you want 10-day aged chicken that has been processed in a way that the 10 days of aging doesn't change the chicken - instead of usual aging processes that enhance meats (well, red meats)
They do buy our guns - they go crazy for ČZ pistols (made in a little shithole country called Czech Republic)
in my experience from a decade ago Czechia was a delightful place to visit and the people were very kind and helpful.
We are delightful! Helpful? Sometimes haha. Glad you enjoyed your visit!
In fairness they probably don't actually know that. They're obsessed with AKs for example but most Americans probably don't know where they're from.
And they'd be right
I had to look up Apeel, but I think it's a good thing actually:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apeel_Sciences
On their website they seem to rightfully point out that E471 (apparently a combo of E422 and E570) is already approved for consumption in the EU, so it doesn't make sense that they're limited to foods where we don't eat the peel. If it's safe and gets the plastic off the cucumbers, I'm for it.
e: Does anyone actually have a source for palladium being used in Edipeel's manufacture? I can't find one. Most of what I'm getting in these searches is that the plants they use to make E471 can contain heavy metals they absorb from their environment, and that the levels are low enough to be considered safe by US regulations. (No clue whether the limit is reasonable.)
The necessity of this substance is far from proven, and it uses a palladium as a catalyst which introduces potential heavy metal contamination. This is a venture capital-backed startup. We simply have stricter standards in the EU.
Do you have a source for their use of palladium? Wikipedia says it as well, but I can't find where that information is coming from. I'm mostly interested in what they're using it for, and whether other manufacturers of E471 are doing the same or using another method. Livsmedelsverket says it can be an animal product, but Apeel says they make theirs from plants. It's apparently also possible to make from palm oil, so that's neat. :|
So E471 is a whole class of hydrocarbons. I was using Wikipedia as a source too. Broadly speaking, catalysts containing heavy metals are often used for synthesizing organic molecules, regardless of the feedstock which can be deeived from plants or animals or whatever. Ideally, the catalyst does not get incorporated into the product, but generally quality control has to be enforced by regulations because corporations love cutting costs by glossing over safety standards.
How is it a good thing to spray shit on an apple? They last plenty long without that garbage.
I don't think apples need any help either (they actually produce their own wax coating apparently), but the cucumbers are in plastic, and there's a ton of strawberry waste because they mold immediately. If it is indeed safe then it could be very beneficial in such cases.
Why are cucumbers in plastic? Strange practice.
In the EU only stuff that is proven safe can be used on edibles. Since that is apparently not the case yet, it is limited to stuff that you don't eat the peel of
No, the substances in question are already approved for edibles. I think the issue is that additives are not allowed on produce, because the Swedish Livsmedelsverket phrases it in a way that implies such to me.
"Får användas i nästan alla livsmedel som får innehålla tillsatser." "May be used in nearly all foods for which additives are allowed." I think it's reasonable that there's probably a regulation about not having additives in things people are assuming will be natural. I mean, how would you post allergy warnings on a peach?
I hope I didn't seem like I disagree with the EU's caution, or that I was minimizing the seriousness of food issues in the US. I just hadn't heard of Apeel before and was really surprised when I looked it up because I was expecting to be horrified. I genuinely hope it is safe, both for the sake of people who don't have a choice and also for the potential value in reducing food waste.
I'm not able to find out whether palladium can be easily rinsed off because Google is desperate to sell me boots, but the company does claim you can wash the fruit, so I hope that's adequate. I do know that lead can be easily washed off, so maybe?
It's been a while since I've seen a cucumber in plastic. The whole thing looks like a synthetic type of wax, waxing apples is definitely legal in the EU (also, a unwashed apple off the tree has a natural wax coat, and they continue to produce wax in storage) but I think it's only natural waxes. You could probably get a novel synthetic one approved but the sales aren't going to be worth the paperwork.
Everything in the EU needs approval, it's not a "wait and see" type of situation, and E-numbers generally have approval for certain uses, it's not a blank cheque. It might be fine in this instance but making it a free-for-all would quickly dilute the standards. Also "quantum satis" ("whatever amount is sufficient to achieve the effect") would lose its meaning if you take the desired effect out of the E number.
I like when they talk like toddlers, it's clear as day they are distracting the topic at hand, much like their IQ
but your beef isn't beautiful na na na....
Every American thing I've tasted has been absolutely vile compared to even the cheapest things in Europe. I really feel bad for US citizens who have lived their whole lives with shit like that.
Our food is garbage. It's all engineered to be fast growing, so it has no time to develop flavor and take up natural nutrients. The result is flavorless, empty food.
Man, you'd think itd be cheap, with the quantity over quality game were running
The good news is, for us prepper types, is that proteins are looking to have a good, if short, crash in prices in the coming weeks or couple months as export orders dry up. They'll drop just to break even on the immediate costs, then go back up again as farms scale back their operations to accommodate the decreased demand, raising costs back up again, except at that point, it'll likely be higher as there's no real "buffer" of producing more for exports and there's an overall smaller count of source animals.
Now's a good time to get a chest freezer (or a second one) and get it ready to stock up.
You are for getting about the corporate greed aspect of it. It will never be cheap if they think they can charge more for it.
It’s unbelievable how much better it is overseas compared to US.
The wild thing is that we do have access to it here, there are small farms growing quality produce and heirloom varieties not available in Europe. But that's not what gets sold in supermarkets in population centers. The problem is in the middlemen and marketing, all unregulated for profit from crap.
"They hate our beef because our beef is beautiful and theirs is weak."
Logic's not so strong with this one, eh?
Sounds like Trump personally wrote the taking points in crayon.
That's not true. He ate all the crayons before he wrote anything.
As an American that has traveled to many places, why would Europe want any type of American food. I felt like most countries I’ve traveled to especially in central and South America and places like Italy the food is more farm to table and by far way more healthier. Have you ever seen Fanta from Europe compared to USA?
Argentinian beef is top tier. While we do have some great beef in the US, it's all from smaller ranchers that most people don't have access to, and it still doesn't compare to Argentina.
Argentinian beef could use some seasoning though. Every time I've had Argentinian beef fare it was bland af, which sucks because it looks amazing
How is the fanta different?
Most countries don't use high fructose corn syrup
European Fanta lover here. Visited US, the HFCS based Fanta felt disgustang to me
Look at a picture to start (my account is to new to upload a pic)
From "they hate us for our freedom" to "they hate us for our beef".
And I believed the Bush era was rock bottom.
Remember "freedom fries?" Republicans are fucking idiots.
The rest of the world doesn't not see Democrats like that either. Red or blue, both right wing, pro-war, genocidal, anti-people parties.
Just look at the rampant russo- and sinophobia.
And there's this beauty which captures the American mindset perfectly:
I think they are not a actual Democrat my guy the right loves to pretend to be us the stir shit
They are all warmongers, always have been.
And 'independent even more left' Bernie just the same
I don't exclude the Dems from that statement.
Whenever the Americans have their wars they all rally around the flag.
me too 😵💫
Has this man seen the state animals are in? Factory farming? What an idiot.
EU: "I don't want your beef. I hate your beef."
American Beef: sob
Lutnick: "Don't listen to them Beef! You're beautiful no matter what anybody says! You know what EU? I think your beef sucks! Your beef is WEAK!"
If it weren't all for all the beef I eat I probably wouldn't have any of the genetically engineered growth hormones that make me ME.
Trumps words coming out of a sycophants mouth. How stupid do you have to be that trumps way of putting it is better than what you can come up with yourself.
Gee, it's almost like he's intentionally being an asshole to achieve a specific reaction he wants
The thing that gets me about the Trump Admin is how all his spokesgremlins sound like they stepped off a Middle School playground. We've gone from "Newspapers are written at a 6th grade reading level" to "Public policy is implemented by 6th graders who just discovered what a bully is".
spokesgremlins, spokesgoblins, spokesorcs, spokesgelitaniouscubes
Spokesgremlins... I like that!
Honestly asking, what reaction do you think he is looking for?
I can understand (and believe) these assholes are all evil and greedy at a cartoon villain level, but I simply cannot understand what is the goal here. All I see is stupidity running rampant
Absolute isolationism with nationalistic delusions of grandeur
Basically, North Korea
But don't they realize that North Korea is a broken dump? why would they want to be kings of that when they are already Oligarchs of an actual rich nation?
Not asking you to make them make sense... I am just at a lost for logic here
Because even oligarchs aren't kings.
There's always another goalpost.
They do realize that, they don't see what they want as that tho. This guy is too stupid for that, and he himself is not a oligarch
They probably think that couldn't possibly happen to their country because they think they're better than North Koreans
im convinced this guy has actual brain damage.
that's my occam's razor
Pffff haha Hahaha haha ha...
Oh wait, he's serious.
HAHA HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHA!!
America has the food standards of a third world country. That place literally allows cancer giving chemicals in their food simply because people aren't dying fast enough from them.
If the US broke up into multiple countries many states would be poorer than really poor countries. I won't tell you which...
If anything the US is now second world given the tenancy to bend the knee to Putin.
"What do you mean this chicken is rotting??"
pours bleach everywhere
"What did I tell you, see? Zero bacteria!"
Please keep their foodstuffs away... 🤢
Hey, common… my third world country has much higher standards!
We need a new category unique to America. They can feel exceptional in their mediocrity.
A negative world country?
A turd world cuntry.
So this must mean that in America the local markets will be flooded with suddenly affordable meat?
didn't think so.
I don't really eat red meat much anymore but if it starts getting cheaper I might have a steak every two weeks instead of every two months! Gimme cheap food bro. I'll pay for it.
Definitely not because our beef is hormone filled
And antibiotics surely play no role either
Antibiotics are allowed and, unfortunately, used plenty in the EU. Growth hormones on the other hand are banned. As far as I know, those are standard in the US, so farmers can't simply export surplus production.
That's normally absolutely not allowed in the EU, and has been forbidden Union-wide since january 22. They can only be used as a treatment when an animal has a specific disease.
Doubtless some people cheat, but that's another problem.
Wow you're right! I thought it was still normal to pump all animals full of antibiotics as a preventative measure. Thanks for the correction!
I think a lot of countries had stopped before then (although it still lasted way too long), but it's good that there's a global ban for the outliers).
Ideally, whatever we import should follow the same production constraints. But I'm not sure if that's the case.
"they hate it because its beautiful" makes absolutely no fucking sense. these people need to be laughed at to their face. (among other things)
I thought this was a joke until I read Lutnick's name
I've eaten beef all over the world. US beef is nothing special.
It's special in that it's full with antibiotics and growth hormones.
Beautiful beef from cows that are skinned alive. Yes very beautiful. https://archive.is/2025.04.12-224648/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/12/opinion/animal-slaughterhouse-meat.html
I worked at a slaughterhouse for about 6 months, in Canada so obviously different. But the only time I saw a cow not unconscious while being drained was when the Orthodox Jews or Muslims stopped by. I didn't watch those twice.
My father insisted I work at one, like he worked at one when he was young. He used a .22, I used a captive bolt gun. Done correctly, the cow should be unconscious. But that industry attracts a certain type of people, so without the government keeping a close eye on the industry I believe the events of that article will happen more.
Yep, kosher and halal are pretty f-ing inhumane.
Fuck, I'm sorry that's a part of your growing-up.
Life-for-food is a thing. I know farms, I've raised sheep, I've sent them away.
I hate the fact it's so industrialised. I'm glad I never had to work in a slaughterhouse. Having the vet put an animal down was bad enough.
Keep your poison
Even as a Canadian I avoid American meat as much as possible when buying groceries.
I don't mind the statement behind the post, but was there really no other medium for the post than the Trumpist NYPost? This is the same media that supposedly wants to ask 10 questions about the tariffs in an article to defend them, and then asks questions like should Trump keep 12 million illegal refugees in the country like Biden?
What does this question have to do with legitimising the tariffs? No idea, ask the brainwashed journalists at the NYPost.
I kinda like that he is doing this because while this won't reach a large number of MAGAts, at least a few will pause and realize, "Wait, other countries have higher standards for their citizens than the food that myself and my family eat daily? Is that.. a good or a bad thing?"
And some small number will learn something they would've never been exposed to if the orange-moron didn't say it.
I don't imagine it will reach many of them, they wouldn't be MAGAts if they thought about things very deeply after all, but some of them will get it.
Thank you Mr. President for starting this awareness campaign (in the stupidest way possible).
That is an abstract thought. Something tells me a Trump voter really struggles with abstract thought.
they aren't that willing to think about it,
they will just think(be told) that Europe hates freedom and therefore American meat/poultry
Nice thought, but too generous. If you're not England, France, or maybe Germany, then we consider you a third world country. (Incorrectly!)
If anything, this will piss them off more: "How dare these third world countries reject the world's best food?!"
American is the worst food in the whole world. Its better to go hungry than partaking in the excesses of highly processed american diet. Go to any supermarket and check the ingredients of american food and you will find stuff like malto dextrose, inverse sugar, dyglycerides, corn starch and high fructose syrup. All of these are rubbish ingredients which pollutes your body and makes you addicted. Stay away from american food for your own health. Buy EU/Canada/India/China/SEA etc but do not touch american products.
Canada isn't necessarily great either, and European grocery stores are full of "foods" containing the same cursed ingredients. There's a big difference in volume of crap though, and alternatives are much more accessible than they are in the US.
Made in Canada stuff are kind of better. Especially the Quebec ones. Agreed on the rest.
Very common in EU processed foods. We produce it ourselves when breaking down starches in the stomach.
Is what you get when you take sugar, any acid, add gentle heat, and wait a while, though the industry uses enzymes instead of acid (it's just easier). Splits up the sucrose into equal parts glucose and fructose which would happen in the stomach, anyway. Equivalent to sugar nutrition-wise, but doesn't crystallise. In the days of ole, sugar bakers would produce it from sugar and cream of tartar (i.e. acid from grapes). Not to be confused with high-fructose corn syrup which is fructose-heavy and thus loads up your liver more than ordinary sugar.
Are part of our fat metabolism, and get produced during ordinary food preparation. Used as emulsifiers.
Is... corn starch? Corn is a quite starchy plant. Take a kernel, remove the yellow shell, grind up the rest. Corn starch is to corn flour what white flour is to whole-grain flour.
Not terribly common over here you usually see potato starch but it's basically the same in function and nutrition.
Yeah don't. We're not built to sustain high-fructose diets. In nature only fruit have that kind of nutritional makeup and they're only available during part of the year and precisely at the point where you want to increase your fat storages because it's summer and you're eating for winter. All fructose goes directly to fat storage, we can't use it directly.
Don't get me wrong I'm highly critical of processed foods but your evil list is quite harmless, it's within the range of what you can produce in your own kitchen. Stuff legal in the US but not here is stuff like bromated vegetable oil.
I am basing my understanding on the works of Chris Van Tulekken and he had mentioned these to be particularly damaging in the short term as well as long term. Happy to change my opinion if you can give sources on claims that all of this is natural and there is no harm to our body at all by consuming these.
That's popsci. If you want to argue specific ingredients please link his sources he used for his list, otherwise:
Also the definition that nutritional scientists use for "ultra-processed food" is... culinarily problematic. Quoth:
Fruit concentrates and inverted sugar have centuries-old culinary tradition, dextrose (i.e. glucose) and fructose are naturally occurring, as said the ratio and amount is the issue not their presence, casein and whey protein are in, well, whey, milk, butter, not a new ingredient, emulsifiers there's no mayo without it, mayo uses lecithin as emulsifier, that's why there's yolk in there, thickener is traditionally starches, particularly roux, the OG gelling agent is gelatin in Europe, Asia also already had stuff like arrowroot. Colours? Red beet, saffron, sepia (cuttlefish ink), it's not like cooks didn't care about colour before industrialisation. Don't ask whether there's colouring in there, ask what kind of stuff the thing is coloured with. I won't get started on "flavour enhancers" MF why do you think people put fish sauce, soy sauce, mushrooms, or tomatoes in things. Because MSG, shit's in there.
All in all, and they say that themselves ("operationally distinguishable" aka "we're casting a net while wearing a blindfold") this is a way to classify things as "ultra-processed", but in itself says nothing about how healthy or unhealthy any of the ingredients are, just that they're used by Big Munch, and on top of that they're getting the "no culinary use" thing wrong.
You know, that's exactly what I've said, every single time I've eaten beef, anywhere in Europe..."What weak beef! I bet that cow couldn't have done more than 20 push-ups. I can actually taste that a 2-hour run would have taken that cow the better part of an hour."
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Article is from NY Post which is basically Goebbels Press
What's unbelievable is that a grown man, forget someone in the Presidential line of succession, talks like this.
Which wave of feminism is this /s
Article is 10 days old, which in Trump tariff terms is like a year. Just noting for anyone who thinks this is relevant to the current situation.
The bigliest beef ever. Tears in its eyes.
I try my best to buy as locally as possible.
It doesn't matter how beautiful that beef is, I won't let that sweet sexy attractive beef blind me from buying local when possible.
European beef is very sophisticated.
The cows go "Meaux"
And then they say at the end, "there is some evidentiary basis" for that idiot's statement... our food is terrible and that's why nobody else wants it. Many of us don't even want it. But since this is the "land of the free", we have basically no choice. I hate this place so much
I'm pretty certain that the main imports of beef to EU is from South America.
"Evidentiary basis" ≠ "consumption declines", greaselords.
It's just become a lot more expensive than it used to be, and the environmental/health aspects of it might play a small part in this, too.
I’m based in the US and I refuse to buy most of the chicken on sale either. Heritage chicken only please
Or maybe because they have standards and we don't
Right after I read this, I went and made out with the meat products in our kitchen. It was pretty hot. EU doesn't get to bang our gorgeous beef and they're jelly.
this guy is an utter dipshit, he should be impeached, if that's even possible lmao.
He was, twice, wore it like a badge of honour, and all the MAGAts voted for him again.
There was a time when presidents had decency and would quit rather than be impeached. Normal rules don't apply to the orange twat.
There's also the fact that despite the economic recovery post-pandemic, every-day Joes didn't see the recovery in their paycheck - and at the same time, inflation (price gouging, really) was rampant. The salt of the earth tends to vote by their wallet, and wallets were feeling the pinch at election time.
That, plus Democrats' well-known propensity for utter failure at messaging, practically guaranteed a Trump victory.
the biggest argument here is the global anti-incumbency sentiment. Likely due to covid.
COVID and all the resulting economic impacts, whether they were linked in the public's mind or not.
Lutnick is not Trump, he works for him and has never been impeached.
All right, cool. But how is this statement newsworthy?
USAians are probably outraged? I’m amused.
Dr Strangelove type quote.
Word for word, the same thing the president said.
As someone who used to visit fairly regularly, yeah it sucks.
Trumps mouthpiece
Russia refusing to import our bleached chicken during Obama was a big falling out point with them. And they blocked the US adoption industry from trafficking Russian kids.
Big Ag has a lot of power here. They will be petty and make this hurt for the EU.
We didn't stop buying your chicken now, we weren't buying them in the first place.
I know.
Big Ag,
sponsoredsubsidised by the US government.Take a hike. The US has lost all its trust and trading power with trump's tariff games.
Things tariffed, things exempt, not exempt but not tariffed, U-turn on tariffs.
The uncertainty isn't bringing manufacturing back to the US. Especially if the US is tariffing raw materiels.
And it isn't going to force the EU to buy worse products than they can grow locally.
I buy milk from a farm that's 70 miles away. It's a bit more expensive, but holy hell does it taste better than the (already fairly decent) supermarket milk.
I cannot imagine a world where I have to refrigerate eggs. Sitting in the fridge, soaking up the random flavours of leftovers. That's weird as fuck, man.
"Big Ag" has power in the US. The US has pissed away their power failing to strong arm dozens of countries. And they've deported/interned (or are working on departing and interning) their labour farm workforce.
Eggs are expensive in the US? Have fun with the next 6 months.
That’s some very optimistic and tough talk, that seems to ignore the US military power and their willingness to use it for petty retaliation.
Oh yeh. US the bully. Meat is absolutely the issue of the future. Not electricity, not communications, not water. Fucking chlorine washed chicken and hormone injected beef. Nobody else can grow that.
Let the US deploy their McDonalds & forward bases as a military operation against - what was previously - an ally that provided goods, goods and knowledge sharing.
The US has military might, but they have like 6 months to actually use it. The EU isn't sleeping, Canada isn't sleeping, the world is not sleeping.
After 6 months, the allies they would be invading are no longer relying on "US off-switch" military assets. It will be some fucking washed-out russian "special operation" type failure, where the US either has to commit to genocide or get kicked back home.
And anyone they use their military might on - who has previously been an ally and trade partner - would be instantly backed up by the rest of the western world.
Because the US has turned from ally to hostile. Everyone is now preparing for it.
My comment isn't tough talk.
The US is tough talking. And have complete fucked it up. They have slapped on tariffs then undone tariffs, then slapped on tariffs, then exempted shit, then saying the exemptions are just a different type or tariffs.
They have fucking rang the bell of trade power until it's meaningless and nobody fucking cares.
The US trade talks are bullshit.
Other countries can just stonewall until it's time for the toddlers afternoon nap. Look at China, they aren't relenting. The EU isn't relenting. Canada isn't relenting. Who is the US winning against? Penguins on an uninhabited island?!
Oooh, we fold to the big bad tariffs. Next week, the guy in charge executive-orders some new bullshit against us.
Why not just retaliate, and still new bullshit against us the following week anyway?
It's idiocy to capitulate to the tariffs.
The US won't bomb the EU over shitty meat and trade deals.
The US military might is - essentially - meaningless.
Military power works in many ways besides direct military action. The US essentially controls most major trade routes on earth. Would take Europe at least a decade to be able to build enough to push back.
I heard that Americans prefer Irish beef.