Yeah, no kidding one of the most depressing songs ever: https://youtu.be/T69Yk6IccL0 -- The end is the Beginning is the End (Batman and Robin soundtrack)
Also even "Today" is not a happy song lol. From Wikipedia:
After the release and minor success of the band's debut album, Gish, the Smashing Pumpkins were being hyped as "the next Nirvana". However, the band was experiencing several difficulties at the time. Drummer Jimmy Chamberlin was undergoing an increasingly severe addiction to heroin; James Iha and D'arcy Wretzky had recently broken up their romantic relationship; and Billy Corgan had become depressed to the point of contemplating suicide and plagued by writer's block. Corgan recalled that "after the first album, I became completely suicidal. It was an eight-month depression, give or take a month, and I was pretty suicidal for about two or three months."
...
The dark, ironic lyrics of "Today", describing a day when Corgan was feeling depressed and suicidal, contrast with the instrumentation. Michael Snyder of the San Francisco Chronicle said that the song is "downright pretty as rock ballads go" but that "Corgan manages to convey the exhilaration and tragic release he seeks." Corgan told Rolling Stone that "I was really suicidal ... I just thought it was funny to write a song that said today is the greatest day of your life because it can't get any worse." Corgan later compared writing the lyrics of "Today" and "Disarm" to "ripping [his] guts out".
I think they're just generally placed in the center white area, meaning they are equally angry, horny, sad and happy. Everyone in the center white is equally part of all four no matter where in the white they were placed.
It wouldn't be easy to list everyone in the center and say that if their name was slightly to one side or not meant they were more angry, happy, horny or sad. I think that's why OP just made a huge white area in the center.
While there's a lot of disagreement on where bands belong, I think Rage Against the Machine as the pinnacle of Angry Music is one we can all agree with.
This is what I came here to ask, I specifically was looking for Deftones in the horny section and when I didn't see it I assumed Deftones was excluded.
Imagine my surprise when it's all the way on the angry side.
All the songs are Chino moaning into the mic, make it make sense.
Also Morphine, Offspring, Tool, and Veruca Tools, Blink 182 is way more happy and horny than Sublime. Weezer belongs where the Flaming Lips are and RHCP is hornier than both of them.
Big Naked. Nine in Nails. Marylin Manson. Our Lady Peace, Alanis Morissette. There's quite a few that could be both. But, alas, this is only a two axis graphic ;)
Uh, they put sublime under happy because it's Ska-like. I don't think whoever made this chart ever listened to any of the words.
What I got is arguably their happiest song, and it's painfully obvious it's a depressed person reminding himself that life can be enjoyed, is worth living, even when everything is shit.
NIN seems to have an angry tone. March of pigs, wish, hand that feeds, head like a hole. There is one sad balad as a cover. There is one horny lyric song, that also happens to be on the happier than sad side.
I went to NIN, Manson opened and Jim Rose Circus sideshow ran in between.
I had shitty seats in the back corner of my mid-sized venue. There were parents all around me in the cheap seats. There were no kids with them, but they were obviously looking for their kids.
The main floor was a sea of 90% under-aged goth chicks smoking.
The parents were all solemn and quiet.
Lights went down
Spot came up, the screeching cheer of 10k girls pierced my eardums. Manson walked out on stage
MANSON: "HOW MANY 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS WANT TO FUCK ME"
The GA seats double down on screaming.
All the parents went from disinterested concern to outright anger.
In OP's perpective, placing NIN where it is is entirely based on Closer, and nothing else. Hurt could be sad without being horny.
It is possible to view Closer as horny and happy. The infactucation bringing him closer to god, is a successful antidote to the sadness he expresses them curing. Also the horniness infatuation in itself is a pursuit of happiness. IMO, if you see the cure for your sadness right before you, you cannot be/no longer sad. So, as it resonates to me, closer is happy and horny, not sad, despite lyrical evidence of sadness.
March of pigs live is totally different to the Fragile version. Latter is sad, Live is insane angry.
The Perfect drug is a bit of remake of closer, lyrically. Cleaner, but same. Drugs make you happy. More of a rhythmic masterpiece. Only is also post 2000 great that could be in the sad tab.
It's one problem that both angry and sad are opposed to happy, at least for me. While the opposite to horny is frigid, and in my experience, depressed.
You can be happy and angry at the same time, i.e. your girlfriend saying you have the biggest dick amongst all your friends; but its much harder to be happy and sad at the same time, that takes someone getting the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, of you.
Leaning to walk again, learning to talk again, make my way back home when I learn to fly, it's times like these you learn to live again, it's times like these you learn to love again. Guy just loves learning.
I'm not saying that you can't have some specific cocktail of unfamiliar-together feelings. Who am I to say what anyone can feel? I'm saying they are conceptually opposed, but hey, happy cake day or happy angry cake day, whatever you want!
Yeah. Really questioning how they got labelled as one of the happiest bands here. But tbh you could never expect one person to make something like this accurately.
In the 00s I can see you saying angry but upbeat. In the 90s though? It's all my girlfriend/boyfriend left me, I'm lonely and depressed. I wanna be your dominated love slave.
Kind of curious where KMFDM would fit. I would think top for sure. But i feel like most of their songs would make them swing left and right like a metronome.
Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ3lsxONdiw
I'm not sure sarcasm is the right word. I'd say it's more "self awareness". Cake is a good example. They're not serious and their music is almost a parody of pop-alt-rock at the time. Radiohead is borderline self-aware; they're sad and they know it, but not so sad as to be "serious" about it like Dashboard Confessional.
And that's one of their songs that ISN'T about sex.
Honestly it's been awhile but I'm struggling to think of a Nirvana song that is actually about (positive) sex rather than using it metaphorically. It makes sense from someone with a very unusual relationship with sexuality. (Ie. Kurt was likely trans but didn't really have the opportunity to discover that)
I was about to make a comment about how blatantly stupid this chart is leaving out many bands (Nirvana, Tool, Pantera, etc) and getting alignments completely fucked up (NIN, No Doubt, L7....). Then I looked at the community it was posted in.
Type-O-Negative had its most popular moments in the 90's. I think the placement would be quite horny and fairly sad. (If it were Carnivore and the 80's, the scale would implode because it doesn't accommodate very angry but really horny.)
I'm guessing the reason that The Cure (debut LP from 1979) is on this list is that it was made by an american, that first heard them because of "Friday I'm in Love"?
I would say rather than Angry Sad, that Deftones is Angry Horny with songs like Knife Party, Change In The House Of Flies, Digital Bath etc. but the chart puts them opposing 🤷
Smashing pumpkins in the happy half???
And NIN not in the angry?
The problem is they put horny and angry at opposite ends but NIN are both horny and angry.
Same with Deftones.
It’s not a good chart when there is no difference between all emotions and no emotions.
They have only heard one NIN song and it shows.
"Killing in the name of!!" Tchum tchum tu tchum tchum !!
Yeah, no kidding one of the most depressing songs ever: https://youtu.be/T69Yk6IccL0 -- The end is the Beginning is the End (Batman and Robin soundtrack)
Also one of the best tracks ever.
I would argue To Forgive is.
https://youtu.be/fIggUxffTN4
Someone only heard “Today” and never listened to a single other track before making this meme.
Also even "Today" is not a happy song lol. From Wikipedia:
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Lily is kind of happyish.
I think they're just generally placed in the center white area, meaning they are equally angry, horny, sad and happy. Everyone in the center white is equally part of all four no matter where in the white they were placed.
It wouldn't be easy to list everyone in the center and say that if their name was slightly to one side or not meant they were more angry, happy, horny or sad. I think that's why OP just made a huge white area in the center.
same about Sublime lol
Idk, sublime has pretty happy melodies even if the lyrics aren't
sure I’ll agree but the lyrics are kinda important
no amount of cheerful can make a song about losing to a heroine addiction happy
For sure, this meme is all kinds of wonky.
Great chart. RHCP is so much hornier than Weezer though.
California?
Edit: I had written Calipornia, but didn't notice that autocorrect changed it.
Bear fuckers
Steady on with that kind of comment, please. They might be sequoia fuckers.
Oh, is THAT where they're from? Only they never seem to mention it in any of their songs
Seems like Californication
While there's a lot of disagreement on where bands belong, I think Rage Against the Machine as the pinnacle of Angry Music is one we can all agree with.
Yeah, especially printers. Fuck printers.
Wouldn't Deftones be in the horny section?
This is exactly the kind of discussion I’d like on this post.
Deftones are VERY horny
This is what I came here to ask, I specifically was looking for Deftones in the horny section and when I didn't see it I assumed Deftones was excluded.
Imagine my surprise when it's all the way on the angry side.
All the songs are Chino moaning into the mic, make it make sense.
Deftones and NIN need to switch places.
I’m assuming every ska band is so far off the left edge we can’t see them.
If your band has a brass section, jump immediately to horny.
slow clap 👏
Especially if they've got a tromboner
I'm not sure Cake qualifies.
If it was just a little but longer we could
PICKITUP PICKITUP PICKITUP
the mysterious unreadable watermark in the lower left is actually a blurred-out rude boy
The happiest in sound, but the lyrics are definitely usually on the sad or angry side lmao
The Cat Empire fell off the left, near the bottom
Someone has never listened to No Doubt or NIN.
Also Morphine, Offspring, Tool, and Veruca Tools, Blink 182 is way more happy and horny than Sublime. Weezer belongs where the Flaming Lips are and RHCP is hornier than both of them.
This chart is awful.
I was gonna say how is the Offspring sad!?
If they were happy then the Kids would be Alright.
Well fuck you got me there.
Also: What emotion would you say Self-Esteem represents? Cuz I would consider it split three ways between angry, sad and horny.
Idk, Tool feels about right? Maybe slightly more angry and slightly less sad
Or Korn
So you can’t be Angry and Horny?!?!
Sure you can. All of the bands I the middle of the y-axis are equally angry and horny.
Not in the nineties, you couldn't. 😉
can't be angry and horny at the same time, that's discriminatory to incel music /s
Angry & horny = Limp Bizkit
Big Naked. Nine in Nails. Marylin Manson. Our Lady Peace, Alanis Morissette. There's quite a few that could be both. But, alas, this is only a two axis graphic ;)
Also, how to tell I grew up on Canadian radio...
Fellow Canadian here .... you spelled Bif Naked wrong
Autocorrupt
The amount of comments saying "ANGRY AND HORNY IS A THING!" has me a little worried about y'all.
You've never had angry sex?
No, I sleep in a race car bed alone.
Lucky
I guess horny anger describes the incel condition pretty well.
Not saying it's not a thing... More that everyone needs that to be in this shit post
Ah yeah, fair observation
May I introduce you to Electric Six?
Hi, I'm fuckin' Eddie Dingle I met this girl named Nan She, she overpopulated my senses And fuckin' dicked me over
Just keep fuckin walkin with Danny you fuckin bitch!
They definitely hit horny as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlDY7TOSHio
Ween is everything
Is there a way to put NIN into both extremes of Angry and Horny?
My first thought exactly. To do so, we must bend space itself? We'd need a wormhole.
All you need is a piece of scotch tape and loop the graph back on itself.
No, we need to go further, we must turn the graph into a torus for ultimate alignment across all possibilities!
::: spoiler spoiler (I have no fucking idea what im saying) :::
Uh, they put sublime under happy because it's Ska-like. I don't think whoever made this chart ever listened to any of the words.
What I got is arguably their happiest song, and it's painfully obvious it's a depressed person reminding himself that life can be enjoyed, is worth living, even when everything is shit.
Fuck it, fine, and it's all the same, living with Louie Dog's the only way to stay sane.
Yea Id put them a lot closer to angry. Id still slant them a little towards happy because of the sound.
This otherwise insightful chart suffers from the lack of NOFX.
I still listen to Punk in Drublic <3
Where would we put the FX?
I can't believe they're quitting! I refuse to believe it.
Angry vs horny as a single axis....
NIN seems to have an angry tone. March of pigs, wish, hand that feeds, head like a hole. There is one sad balad as a cover. There is one horny lyric song, that also happens to be on the happier than sad side.
The angry/horny axis is silly. Go listen to Stinkfist by Tool and tell me a song can't be both.
That's why they left Manson off the list. That band was just horngry.
I went to NIN, Manson opened and Jim Rose Circus sideshow ran in between.
I had shitty seats in the back corner of my mid-sized venue. There were parents all around me in the cheap seats. There were no kids with them, but they were obviously looking for their kids.
The main floor was a sea of 90% under-aged goth chicks smoking.
The parents were all solemn and quiet.
Lights went down
Spot came up, the screeching cheer of 10k girls pierced my eardums. Manson walked out on stage
MANSON: "HOW MANY 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS WANT TO FUCK ME"
The GA seats double down on screaming.
All the parents went from disinterested concern to outright anger.
If you want the angriest horny song ever, it's definitely NIN - Closer
In OP's perpective, placing NIN where it is is entirely based on Closer, and nothing else. Hurt could be sad without being horny.
It is possible to view Closer as horny and happy. The infactucation bringing him closer to god, is a successful antidote to the sadness he expresses them curing. Also the horniness infatuation in itself is a pursuit of happiness. IMO, if you see the cure for your sadness right before you, you cannot be/no longer sad. So, as it resonates to me, closer is happy and horny, not sad, despite lyrical evidence of sadness.
March of pigs live is totally different to the Fragile version. Latter is sad, Live is insane angry.
The Perfect drug is a bit of remake of closer, lyrically. Cleaner, but same. Drugs make you happy. More of a rhythmic masterpiece. Only is also post 2000 great that could be in the sad tab.
also, hand that feeds and head like a hole have core NIN angry sound and lyrics, but happy dance beat/groove.
NIN should be all over the place.
NIN is the blue ring. 😆
No Ween?? No Mr. Bungle???
They're on their own chart that's just variations of "Weird".
It's my favorite chart.
Melvins probably on that chart, too.
OMG. I'm not the only who hasn't forgotten about Eels.
Still on rotation over here
Life is hard. And so am I.
86 Korn, but we got peppers, pumpkins, cranberries, eels and cake.
No metal 😓? (Judas, Metallica, ...)
There needs to be an Optimistic <---> Bleak axis too
Needs more Ska Bands.
Rocket from the Crypt, bare minimum.
Over here asking, "Where's Mustard Plug, or Goldfinger, shit even The Suicide Machines?!"
Foo Fighers in the eye of blandness.
I would have put Ween there, not because they're bland but because they're everything.
90s NIN was very angry... then Trent went weird.
Sublime should definitely be more towards center, unless you've never even tried to listen to the lyrics.
I disapprove of the idea that angry and horny are opposites.
Thank you for your wisdom "straightjorkin"
Only ones I've ever heard are Radiohead and Rage against the Machine.
Sincerely, genZ
Anyway are yall telling me there are no bands that are both horny and angry?
Edit:
I was probably wrong about Radiohead. Maybe I mixed them up with radioactive by imagine dragons?
Then my friend, you have some awesome tunes ahead of you to listen to.
This is Almas caviar quality bait.
Check them out. Some are great (Cranberries and Blur for example). I also guess you'll know more than you think.
Nirvana In Utero is my favorite record of all time.
They aren’t my favorite band, but my god that record hits me right where I need it.
Not trying to throw an unrelated comment, just hoping the commenter gives it a go too.
Every band on this graphic is amazing. You've just been given an assignment to give each and every one a listen.
If your curious, this chart is full of great artists.
No Doubt on the happy side? Have you listened to the lyrics?
It's the ska effect.
Sublime too!
Surprised to not see Sugar Ray or Everclear, unless I'm blind.
Many of these bands are misplaced.
Gin Blossoms is sad. NIN is incredibly angry. Mazzy Star is a little bit horny. Deftones is pretty happy. Radiohead is at least a little horny.
Weezer is a tough call because most of the time they’re sad because they’re horny.
"I focus on the pain...the only thing that's real" super horny.
"I wanna fuck you like an animal" -real sadboy hours
"Shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot I'm going to come all over you"
Deftones are way hornier than that, most of their songs are about fucking
RATM makes me horny
Literally wanting to fuck the machine to death.
You're twisting my melon man.
I doubt that the person who did this chart ever listened to Morphine. Imho they sound like right out of a funeral.
Thank you. Morphine is unquestionably in the Horny/Sad zone.
Yeah, I love Morphine, and "happy" is quite possibly the last adjective I would use to describe them. Some of it's kind of playful maybe.
Pulp needs to move up a bit. If you don't think they do angry you have not been paying attention
The axes make no sense for Pulp who are equally angry, sad, and horny.
Also not technically Pulp, but it turns out cunts are still running the world.
and happy on occasion. Rare, but there. Dave's last summer / a good 70% of we love life
The Cranberries are way hornier than that.
No Doubt is more angry than horny? What?
least horny band ever! aparently. Gwen victorian image to blame.
Nine Inch Nails isn't nearly that horny. Hell, even Closer is angrier than it is horny.
Starfucker and other songs would be considered quite horny. But it's always more "rage sex" than sexy sex. So I mostly agree. Except when I don't ;)
Starfuckers is about media execs fucking over artists. Nothing at all about sex.
Fair enough. Allegory can still be sexual though. Layers.
Why did I read this is Douglas Reynholm’s voice?
Beautiful work OP and I love the discussion and debate it brought about .... excellent!
Can’t take credit for it as I shamelessly stole it. But it’s generating exactly the kind of discussion I was hoping for!
They missed the saddest band
The Offspring just pingpong all over the fucking place really.
Sometimes even in the same song.
horny should be a perpendicular axis. you can be very angry and horny.
It's one problem that both angry and sad are opposed to happy, at least for me. While the opposite to horny is frigid, and in my experience, depressed.
You can be happy and angry at the same time, i.e. your girlfriend saying you have the biggest dick amongst all your friends; but its much harder to be happy and sad at the same time, that takes someone getting the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, of you.
Leaning to walk again, learning to talk again, make my way back home when I learn to fly, it's times like these you learn to live again, it's times like these you learn to love again. Guy just loves learning.
I'm not saying that you can't have some specific cocktail of unfamiliar-together feelings. Who am I to say what anyone can feel? I'm saying they are conceptually opposed, but hey, happy cake day or happy angry cake day, whatever you want!
Edit: I know you are foo-fighting!
Green Day was peak sad and horny.
Yeah. Really questioning how they got labelled as one of the happiest bands here. But tbh you could never expect one person to make something like this accurately.
In the 00s I can see you saying angry but upbeat. In the 90s though? It's all my girlfriend/boyfriend left me, I'm lonely and depressed. I wanna be your dominated love slave.
Smack me in the forehead with a chain
This explains why I never liked Foo Fighters.
the NIN position , is not making any sense
Yeah I noticed that and thought WTF?
No Primus?
That's the sarcasm belt.
What about Ween?
Or at least their own heading. Like how winamp just to say their genre was "Primus".
Kind of curious where KMFDM would fit. I would think top for sure. But i feel like most of their songs would make them swing left and right like a metronome. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ3lsxONdiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZd4Oa9Wn8
KMFDM is a drug against war!
Kill motherfucking Depeche mode
This one’s most appropriate for today’s times. My most listened song for 3 years running
https://youtu.be/tdW5CHf-_BM
Someone explain the sarcasm belt to me and why Radiohead is sad sarcastic
I'm not sure sarcasm is the right word. I'd say it's more "self awareness". Cake is a good example. They're not serious and their music is almost a parody of pop-alt-rock at the time. Radiohead is borderline self-aware; they're sad and they know it, but not so sad as to be "serious" about it like Dashboard Confessional.
It only works if you believe they put a man on the moon...
No
Hmm. Missing Everclear.
Just like that Father of Mine...
Tell me where has he been?
Bush? ... don't you mean Bush X
Lol ... Canadian here asking
Why can't you be angry and horny?
Exactly my thought! Why not both!?
Where would They Might Be Giants and Barenaked Ladies be on this? BNL, despite the name, isn't horny.
Missing queens of the stone age in the bottom right.
Or left.
Can I get an explanation of what it feels like to be happy and angry?
We can pretend that we're dead.
Hell yeah. I might have gone with Everglade but I'm just glad L7 is represented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
Easy, be me.
*cries metallic tears into a bed of guns and roses'
I may not fully agree with your chart, but i love the effort that went into this
Title: 90s bands
My brain: Morbid Angel, Obituary, Sepultura, Corrosion of Conformity, Eyehategod, Dissection, among others.
My brain: 4/6 of those are 80s bands
Some those did get their start in the 80s but all of them hit their peak in the 90s.
Morphine should be as far to the right as they are to the left. Not sure what the original creator of the chart was thinking.
Yeah, I really don't get that choice either. There's a bunch I disagree with, bit that one was the worst imo. Def very horny though
Sad music is the best. Deftones are way more horny than angry.
Nirvana is both quite horny AND quite angry more than neither.
I've been licking the walls of her anus.
And that's one of their songs that ISN'T about sex. Honestly it's been awhile but I'm struggling to think of a Nirvana song that is actually about (positive) sex rather than using it metaphorically. It makes sense from someone with a very unusual relationship with sexuality. (Ie. Kurt was likely trans but didn't really have the opportunity to discover that)
Ween is a giant circle around the entire graph that's too large to be depicted here
Ween signifies more than these four basic emotions. They've even created new emotions just to write songs about.
No Doubt got my teenage brain horny
Glad to see Blur blurring the line
Didn’t Mike Patton from Faith No More eat a tampon from L7?
So I guess that makes sense they’re close.
No wonder I listen to a lot of Foo Fighters.
Just go here.
https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html
I was about to make a comment about how blatantly stupid this chart is leaving out many bands (Nirvana, Tool, Pantera, etc) and getting alignments completely fucked up (NIN, No Doubt, L7....). Then I looked at the community it was posted in.
Well played @[email protected]. Well played. 👏🏻
Nirvana is on the blue line by Sad, Tool is above it in the pink/purple
I’m apparently blind as a bat 🤦🏻♂️
If Dave Matthews was on this list it would just replace the word Horny.
Type-O-Negative had its most popular moments in the 90's. I think the placement would be quite horny and fairly sad. (If it were Carnivore and the 80's, the scale would implode because it doesn't accommodate very angry but really horny.)
Bad Religion, for the endless ranting raging. Suffer is an epic album. fuckin 1982 for real.
if you get tired of that rather repetitive business, switch to Husker Du
break all the fuckin rules and go to hell with superman
I wonder where Linkin Park would fit
I'm guessing the reason that The Cure (debut LP from 1979) is on this list is that it was made by an american, that first heard them because of "Friday I'm in Love"?
I would but deftones in horny tbh. Especially on the Queen of the Damned soundtrack. Everyone was horny on that soundtrack.
Blink-182 veered wildly to the right towards 2012. They're mostly back on the left again now, though.
So like, is Ween not on here because they're off the charts horny?
Ween is on the Z axis
I miss Chris Cornell. He was all of those emotions all at once.
I would say rather than Angry Sad, that Deftones is Angry Horny with songs like Knife Party, Change In The House Of Flies, Digital Bath etc. but the chart puts them opposing 🤷
I'm just glad Veruca Salt made the list.
Also, I dunno if I'd lump Sublime into the "happy/horny" category. They're more on the "sad/horny" side of the chart.
Limp Bizkit should be smack bang the middle, they're happy angry sad and horny.