Woah, I said an older Thinkpad. We dont talk about what Lenovo has done to the modern Thinkpad image (theyve dragged it through the mud). Eveyone knows the last good Thinkpad was the T480.
The problem is that even the T and X model Thinkpads have been chasing thin and light above build quality. They no longer have protective metal cages, the keyboard isn't as good, and its bends/flexes (which makes sense considering its thin). I get thats the "modern" laptop design but I wish they went back to making massive laptops.
Nearly every laptop OEM has been making comprimises, if you want a true classic Thinkpad style laptop (thats thick and has good build quality) the MNT Reform is the only option. Its massive, thick, has a mechanical keyboard, has an option for a trackball, and isnt particularly powerful (the Raspberry Pi CM5 is realistically the most powerful thing you can put in it).
You can never have enough socks. Many a christmas goes by where again nobody gifts me a nice pair of socks. People always seem to think I am in need of more books to read!
(Hope I'm somewhat correctly recounting Dumbledore's answer in relation to the mirror of Erised)
I thought the books were for your shelf tbh. You put one for each language you claim proficiency in.
It's cool to have niche older books though. My friend has a programming manual in Estonian from either the very late soviet era that includes BASIC, Pascal and FORTRAN. Though apparently you can still buy it online. There's one copy left at an online bookstore.
If you need to learn C, at least use the first edition of the book - the one without the ANSI additions is much smaller.
I''ve actually never read the second/and edition so I can't say if it is good or not. I can tell you that the first edition still has a proud space on my bookshielf though the acid paper is starting to take a toll and I suspect it won't be long and I'll be needing a reprint.
I haven't read either, honestly Rust is so much better than C or C++ and if I were going to learn a low level language I'd probably go with that instead. Currently I only do Python and a tiny bit of Javascript.
I dare assume you get downvoted for liking Rust, so take my upvote for balance. We differ about what we think of the language, but this kind of angry downvoting is plain ridiculous
This Rust talk sounds exactly like Java in the 2000. It's the language of the future!! Rust is good though but only time will tell if rust will replace C/C++ which I doubt.
As a long time C/C++ developer, I think it has a lot of really great ideas. The one thing preventing me from using it a lot more is that there is no stable ABI that would allow to use shared libraries in Rust - everything is statically linked, and if I use the same crates in a number of programs, the same code exists in each of these programs. That is not really a good thing whne you try to develop for a system with very limited space and where program load times make a difference, such as for certain embedded platforms.
But honestly, Rust support in the Linux kernel? Java never got that far, nor any other language (apart from C, obviously).
C/C++ oldtimer myself, yep Rust is basically C++ template metaprogramming. So Rust does this thing way better, but as you says it does other things less good. Exactly like Java with the facility to run on different platforms (well, sort of) for example.
C/C++ is hard because it's the ultimate multi tool!
I use Python BTW when I don't need the fancy stuff, maybe the death of C/C++ will be that of a thousand cuts, one specialised language for each specific C/C++ use ...
Programming socks provide a +2 programming skill buff. Their tight fit around the legs provides better blood flow through the legs which also means a better blood flow through the brain.
Weird that I haven't heard about it until now tho. It's been my experience that an uncomfortable amount of software engineers are fairly conservative, but that's more likely because of being in the Midwest.
:( I also had a bit of a culture shock when I started working, after being young and naive and assuming people interested in tech were progressive, and going to a public university for CS surrounded by other liberals.
See i didn't have that experience. I come from a long line of electrical engineers, and went to a Catholic private university.
The EEs, save for my mother, are ultraconservative. So I knew what to expect. I went for computer engineering, so my first job out of college was in a contract design services company that was mostly old white men.
When I got into my current career, which became entirely software focused, I was surprised to see such an array of conservatives, but found many more progressives than previously.
What I have observed in my 12 years of career is that the conservative individuals are very rigid black and white thinkers. In fact, when my cousin was diagnosed with autism, my uncle remarked that it was pretty weird that every engineer he met seems to fall into that diagnosis. There was already a quiet joke in the family that what they now call Autism was what they called engineers in the 60s-80s.
That's not to say autistic individuals are more likely to be conservative - but almost every conservative engineer I know falls right into this description. Interestingly, I know that ASD also has a large crossover with the LGBTQ+ community. It would make sense to me then, that this "programming socks" meme started.
It all seems to be based around who can accept change and who cannot. This, to me, explains why there are far more progressive programmers than conservative, and the opposite is true for other engineering fields.
I just wish they would just admit it already and good programmers wear compression socks. Helps with blood flow and reduces issues with sitting. It you want a nice pattern to each their own.
Quite frankly I wouldn't recommend learning C these days except for maintaining, there are better languages e.g Rust, Go, Zig, Swift. And the Eu and US are cracking down on unsafe Code including open source.
A-ha, better languages my ass. They may make some specific job easier, but calling them good just because of that - nuh-uh. I would (and actually will) rather spend time learning to properly use C or C++
Nothing a Valgrind pass can't solve. A surprisingly number of developers I've met have never heard of this tool, surprisingly, which is probably one of the reasons why people advocate for Rust. Can't really protect against developer ignorance without a strict language.
Programming socks memes are always welcome here.
PowerfulTurtle and (Not) BurningTurtle meetup
Until BurningTurtle comes to the meetup.
All 3 of the Turtles are together it seems.
Well 2 of me, but still.
Accurate
Are three lettuce heads enough for you?
Turtles are great computer science animals. They do graphics, and have shell access.
Meanwhile I’ll stick with my tree, it has root access.
Memes?
:@
Wheres the introduction to Rust, choker, skirt, Blahaj, and Thinkpad X220?
I ought to make my own programming starter pack meme with all those things.
this comment genuinely reminded me that i need to both find my choker and finish installing linux on my x230t
Very good Thinkpad, especially with the classic keyboard mod and libreboot :3
You jest but I unironically want one of the Thinkpads with a Snapdragon X (|Plus|Elite) to compile my Rust on.
Woah, I said an older Thinkpad. We dont talk about what Lenovo has done to the modern Thinkpad image (theyve dragged it through the mud). Eveyone knows the last good Thinkpad was the T480.
Their Thinkpad T's and X's still seem honestly good, it's just that there's many Thinkpad lines that are shit as well.
The problem is that even the T and X model Thinkpads have been chasing thin and light above build quality. They no longer have protective metal cages, the keyboard isn't as good, and its bends/flexes (which makes sense considering its thin). I get thats the "modern" laptop design but I wish they went back to making massive laptops.
Ah, I thought those lines didn't make those 'compromises". I'll look into it, thanks!
Nearly every laptop OEM has been making comprimises, if you want a true classic Thinkpad style laptop (thats thick and has good build quality) the MNT Reform is the only option. Its massive, thick, has a mechanical keyboard, has an option for a trackball, and isnt particularly powerful (the Raspberry Pi CM5 is realistically the most powerful thing you can put in it).
They can come with an RK3588, which is more powerful than the Raspberry Pi 5.
Although it loses by a large margin in performance from even my old Dell XPS's Intel i5-7300HQ, the performance isn't great.
That said, that is right in between a ThinkPad T440's 4th gen i5 or i7, so maybe that's not all bad.
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I know that the company Functional Software brought out some Functional Sockware, I wore them for years.
(Hope I'm somewhat correctly recounting Dumbledore's answer in relation to the mirror of Erised)
Wow, the children's book you quoted is super deep.
Eh, who is still using paper books to learn programming languages? Every popular language has a website with online manuals.
Well, except C, because it's crammed together with C++ on https://cplusplus.com/ and https://cppreference.com/
And socks just grow organically after 3 years of coding.
The book is to get your monitor to an ergonomic height!
I thought the books were for your shelf tbh. You put one for each language you claim proficiency in.
It's cool to have niche older books though. My friend has a programming manual in Estonian from either the very late soviet era that includes BASIC, Pascal and FORTRAN. Though apparently you can still buy it online. There's one copy left at an online bookstore.
If you need to learn C, at least use the first edition of the book - the one without the ANSI additions is much smaller.
I''ve actually never read the second/and edition so I can't say if it is good or not. I can tell you that the first edition still has a proud space on my bookshielf though the acid paper is starting to take a toll and I suspect it won't be long and I'll be needing a reprint.
I haven't read either, honestly Rust is so much better than C or C++ and if I were going to learn a low level language I'd probably go with that instead. Currently I only do Python and a tiny bit of Javascript.
I dare assume you get downvoted for liking Rust, so take my upvote for balance. We differ about what we think of the language, but this kind of angry downvoting is plain ridiculous
Probably moreso for expressing the opinion so strongly without actually knowing any of the three languages.
Edit: I'm just guessing why a different comment got downvotes. Why am I getting downvotes?
Nah. I'd bet it was for being the proselytizing vegan at the party.
This Rust talk sounds exactly like Java in the 2000. It's the language of the future!! Rust is good though but only time will tell if rust will replace C/C++ which I doubt.
As a long time C/C++ developer, I think it has a lot of really great ideas. The one thing preventing me from using it a lot more is that there is no stable ABI that would allow to use shared libraries in Rust - everything is statically linked, and if I use the same crates in a number of programs, the same code exists in each of these programs. That is not really a good thing whne you try to develop for a system with very limited space and where program load times make a difference, such as for certain embedded platforms.
But honestly, Rust support in the Linux kernel? Java never got that far, nor any other language (apart from C, obviously).
C/C++ oldtimer myself, yep Rust is basically C++ template metaprogramming. So Rust does this thing way better, but as you says it does other things less good. Exactly like Java with the facility to run on different platforms (well, sort of) for example.
C/C++ is hard because it's the ultimate multi tool!
I use Python BTW when I don't need the fancy stuff, maybe the death of C/C++ will be that of a thousand cuts, one specialised language for each specific C/C++ use ...
Doesn't the first edition use K&R style parameter lists and other no-longer-correct syntax?
My prof called K&R C "Knall und Rauch C", "bang and smoke C". Also: C lattice fence.
Yes.
It’s also a very good introduction to programming, and just a good read. Probably the best book about programming I’ve ever read.
Socks? Check. Skirt? Check. Vape pen? Check.
It's study time.
Maybe good against programmers venous thrombosis. Should be acknowledged as a work related illness.
Only Winsocks.
Underrated joke.
Alright. I don't get it
Programming socks provide a +2 programming skill buff. Their tight fit around the legs provides better blood flow through the legs which also means a better blood flow through the brain.
They also make you more cute :3
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/programming-socks
Ah. Ok. To each their own.
Weird that I haven't heard about it until now tho. It's been my experience that an uncomfortable amount of software engineers are fairly conservative, but that's more likely because of being in the Midwest.
:( I also had a bit of a culture shock when I started working, after being young and naive and assuming people interested in tech were progressive, and going to a public university for CS surrounded by other liberals.
See i didn't have that experience. I come from a long line of electrical engineers, and went to a Catholic private university.
The EEs, save for my mother, are ultraconservative. So I knew what to expect. I went for computer engineering, so my first job out of college was in a contract design services company that was mostly old white men.
When I got into my current career, which became entirely software focused, I was surprised to see such an array of conservatives, but found many more progressives than previously.
What I have observed in my 12 years of career is that the conservative individuals are very rigid black and white thinkers. In fact, when my cousin was diagnosed with autism, my uncle remarked that it was pretty weird that every engineer he met seems to fall into that diagnosis. There was already a quiet joke in the family that what they now call Autism was what they called engineers in the 60s-80s.
That's not to say autistic individuals are more likely to be conservative - but almost every conservative engineer I know falls right into this description. Interestingly, I know that ASD also has a large crossover with the LGBTQ+ community. It would make sense to me then, that this "programming socks" meme started.
It all seems to be based around who can accept change and who cannot. This, to me, explains why there are far more progressive programmers than conservative, and the opposite is true for other engineering fields.
that’s very interesting, thank you for sharing!
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I used to own one less-feminine one, for the winters, but they became obsolete thanks to global warming.
I need to buy new once. But am boycotting USA so its hard finding some
I never knew about this until my non-programming partner asked what I thought about them.
Some socks have horrible return times
Did socks replace rubber ducks?
If you have the socks you don't need the ducks
I just wish they would just admit it already and good programmers wear compression socks. Helps with blood flow and reduces issues with sitting. It you want a nice pattern to each their own.
I do almost all the time. I think I wear programming socks more than I wear regular socks.
Fuck you
Quite frankly I wouldn't recommend learning C these days except for maintaining, there are better languages e.g Rust, Go, Zig, Swift. And the Eu and US are cracking down on unsafe Code including open source.
learn C, so you can appreciate rust
A-ha, better languages my ass. They may make some specific job easier, but calling them good just because of that - nuh-uh. I would (and actually will) rather spend time learning to properly use C or C++
I call them better because C leave security holes in everything it touches.
Nothing a Valgrind pass can't solve. A surprisingly number of developers I've met have never heard of this tool, surprisingly, which is probably one of the reasons why people advocate for Rust. Can't really protect against developer ignorance without a strict language.
So, not the programmers do this, lol?
Doesn't matter, the Eu and US and others will make it irrelevant before anyone new has a chance to learn it.
I like your optimism (really mean this)
And good luck to them (sarcasm)
They are called easter eggs and they are a feature.
Agreed, I only found one of these with the C book in it. I think it would make much more sense with the Rust book.
According to kittenzrulz123, you need a choker and a skirt to go with the Rust book.
Also, some specific ThinkPad apparently. Guess my R52 won't do.
I don't think Thinkpads can be bought off Amazon, they're more of an Ebay purchase.
Brainrot
Wait, you think that wearing thigh high socks for fun is brainrot?
I don't. Only black & white nail polish and light make up so far.
What is "brainrot" about this image?