With the Democratic Party struggling to find a new direction, former President Joe Biden and former first lady Jill Biden have offered to jump in and help with fundraising and rebuilding.
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Oh my fuck.
get out
get the fuck out, Biden
You lost the whole show, you simple fuck. You handed the republic to the fascists. You did NOTHING to stop them. You shook his fucking hand and gave him tea. You couldn’t campaign to save your own fucking life, and your meddling played a major role in your successor failing (though Harris does not get a pass here either). If I never see your name - or the Clinton name, for that matter - ever again in my life, it’ll be too soon.
No, no. It’s worse. They did more than nothing. They specifically held back from prosecuting him because they wanted to run against trump. So Biden could attempt to stay in power by saying “oh it has to be me I’m the only one who’s beaten him.”
The hubris is just absolutely infuriating
Agreed.
It's wild that Biden's arrogance and conceit was a more important concern than winning the election. Everyone around him knew his brain was fucked.
He's probably more like a young child emotionally right now from mental decline, shouldnt have been allowed to be president.
It's not hubris though. They know what they are doing and they don't care because they won't be the ones hurt by it. They would legitimately rather Trump be president than win by having to adopt any kind of actually progressive policy. This is what all of their actions have shown us. Don't give them a pass for incompetence, they are just as culpable for the situation we find ourselves in today.
Do we have proof or is this conjecture that fits what we can observe?
It’s been a while and searching for old news including the words Biden and trump is basically impossible, but I do remember seeing a like DOJ memo or something to hold off on persecuting. While it did not say the reason I listed above, I can’t imagine much other reason to do so and it’s not like they’ll come out and admit it was for that reason.
Edit: and post I remember commenting on about it two months ago was deleted from politics…. so… can’t find it that way.
Thanks for the added context. If they did intentionally delay prosecution (plausible considering how much time they had to do it but didn’t) then that’s pretty hard to excuse regardless of the reason.
Bernie and AOC are the new direction. Biden wants back in to stop them. Fuck Biden!
Make no mistake:
This is not "help." This is the neoliberal fascist collaborator backlash against help.
30,000+ people showed up today for the Bernie/AOC rally today in Colorado.
If only there was a way forward….. Says the Democrats
Bernie isn't what I would call a spring chicken
It would be nice to have someone who doesn't look like they are going to die any second.
Bernie the sheep dog is not the way forward.
Can't even bring himself to say the world genocide.
That horrible regime party can't be fixed.
As long as Americans don't vote 3rd party they get what they deserve.
Bernie is 3rd party...
He's a sheepdog for the dems.
And whatever he is, he's certainly no alternative.
His main motive was the oppose Trump because Trump was the greater evil.
The DNC knows Bernie wasn't petty enough to try and split the vote like Trump threatened to do to the RNC.
He has a carreer of sheepdogging long before Trump.
Is this supposed to say something?
As long as you hyperfixate on a single issue that's over there, it'll be hard to win over here.
It is only genocide, no biggie. It is not like Palestinians are people.
Just remember this the next time you wonder why certain demographics don’t want to vote Democratic anymore. Someone’s single issue is another’s family and friends.
By your logic why “hyperfixate” on anything? The environment, democracy, human rights and so on, are each a single issue. By the looks of it [some in] the Democratic Party aren’t stopping at abandoning Palestinians either: Gavin Newsom breaks with Democrats on trans athletes in sports. “It is a single issue, don’t hyperfixate on it”, will be the rallying cry in 2028 I’m sure.
The USAID that used to feed Gaza is gone, nothing is coming into replace it. People are going to starve to death. Not that you cared about that. Doesn't run with your narrative. Just like hamas stealing the USAID to sell back to starving palestinians. Doesn't fit the narrative.
If you understood how government worked and cared about palestine you'd be VOTING for a senator and house rep who will defund isreal. But noooooo lets not have any strategic goals in mind when elections come around. Lets virtue signal and seethe and concrete the genocide you're screetching about.
Israel is intentionally blocking aid into Gaza. Hamas has nothing to do with it. The termination of USAID also has nothing to do with it. Aid trucks are stuck at the border not allowed in.
FYI I voted for Jill Stein. No Democrat, at least on my ballot was going to defund Israel.
Edit: I missed adding that the Biden administration already cut funding to the UNRWA, so starving Palestinians is bipartisan:
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-unrwa-funding-already-halted-2024-not-by-trump-2025-order-2025-01-28/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/22/moral-failure-us-house-approves-bill-that-would-ban-unrwa-funding
The president does not authorize spending. He just executes the spending. Congress has power of purse, they are the only ones that can cut funding for Isreal. Which i fully support. I would be happy to cut aid to isreal and increase aid to palestine. Happy to help protect palestinian land from Isreali encroachment. I am an ally you are alienating with your harsh views. We probably agree on a lot of things that would benefit palestine. I think without a practical method to acheive them you will never see your goals fullfilled politically.
Mostly because you voted third party for president not knowing that you meant to vote for congress.
Oh. You voted for a different Putin puppet whose party has made no attempt to run a real campaign in the US and clearly (and vocally) had no intent on winning. Very helpful.
EDIT: Oh. I see that you are a tankie from the grad. Bad faith to be expected.
A few things:
It's not a single issue, he is also a warmonger and cheerleader for all the US wars among other things.
Or do you mean everyone should just ignore al that inconvenient horrible stuff bcs that's somewhere else and doesn't affect them personally?
The true lib way.
Support alternatives to FPTP first
What a weird coincidence that, just as AOC and Bernie begin a wildly successful tour of the country, we start hearing about the Biden's wanting to help lead the party or Kamala being the the top choice for 2028.
Like how suddenly all the milquetoast candidates capitulated to Biden just before Super Tuesday when Bernie was winning states.
Always weird how they use dirty tactics for the left but never the fascists...
Or how they delayed announcing a winner in Iowa, rigged at least one delegate coin flip, and eventually anointed Buttigieg the winner even though Bernie received more votes.
May as well get ready for president Ivanka Trump in 2028. The DNC is its own worst enemy.
Fuck off Joe!
Anyone over the age of 55 needs to be in an advisory role, not a leadership role. It is literally the same fucking leadership today as it was 20 years ago.
RETIRE YOU OLD FUCKS
They must be saving Hillary for when things get really bad
Michael Dukakis is their ace in the hole.
I would joke about Al Gore but he's definitely too far left
They're not quite sure if they want to rock us yet.
I know of someone we can send out to offer a Handshake.
Is Kitty Dukakis still on drugs?
I hear she's now mainlining a mixture of formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, and methanol.
Edit: spelling
I mean if Trump were to attempt to run for president again, I'm sure the Dems would put Obama on the ticket with the same reasoning for a third term.
Somebody call Howard Dean. That's the level of enthusiasm we need right now.
Plan A was Jimmy Carter but alas
I mean, I wouldn't mind some Hillary right now.
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not an endoresement^The fuck would you want some sort of that even handed well educated steady hand at the wheel?
Why the fuck would you want that? Compared to now? Cause GeNoCiDe?
^~not an endoresement~^
You forgot to turn off the signature when you switched sock puppet accounts
Whu????
JiLl StEiN 2028!!!1
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Assassinated or in fear of being assassinated since the fbi, the organization explicitly built to assassinate communists, is still around.
I can see why you're confusing the two, but the USA is not Russia.
Tell that to Fred hampton.
You're accusing a dead US Attorney General (cause of death unkown), who prosecuted Russian Mafia, of being a communist killed by the state?
Could it be, I don't know, maybe the Russian Mafia?
Only if you ignore the pecking order.
How old is Bernie now?
He's timeless.
I have constantly thought this but I think we can see by his behavior he is not as addled as the other elderly. I wouldn't mind shifting to AOC. She's an actual representative of the country.
it's not Biden.
It's the party.
it needs a culling. absolute decimation. vote nearly all of them out. you know the very few that should stay. erase the rest from history.
dude if a republican unwittingly says something that doesn't call for death of trans people they'll be immediately ousted. democrats out here capitulating to nazis. be a little republican. get them out.
If voting worked they would abolish voting. Both parties have the same masters.
Keep setting Tesla dealerships on fire, the only things capitalists respond to are forced devaluation events
They are trying to abolish voting, see voter suppression laws and pretty much every voting rights case the Supreme Court has seen during Roberts's tenure.
Joe Biden fundraising, colorized:
Christ almighty, no. It's bad enough that the Democratic consultancy didn't tell him to go fuck himself when he thought to run for president a second time.
It honestly feels like the Democratic Party is doing everything they can to lose.
yea sure more of the old stuff should help
Yes please prop up the dead husk of Joe Biden on a stage like weekend at Bernie's. That'll really embolden the base.
It's not struggling to find a direction, it's going in the opposite direction of Biden...
Which is a good thing considered that was bankrupt state parties thru victory fund then claim a president has zero power and can't do anything till it's time to campaign for the next election.
You can't spend 3.5 years telling people the presidency doesn't matter then do a 180 for an election.
Dude's figured out his legacy isn't what he thought it would be and is trying to come back and "fix" it. Fucking horrible person for his entire adult life.
I don’t think it’s that. I think he truly thinks he’s had a good career and fought the good fight. He’s so out of touch, but he wants to help because he heard there’s a problem. Probably don’t even understand how his help might not be a good thing.
I think he wants to help out of self preservation, because he still sees himself tied to the democrat party. If it implodes immediately after he loses an election (arguably his loss as well as Kamala's), it will tank his legacy. He will be a big part of why the party died.
So sure, yeah he wants to help the democrats, in a round about way. Its hilarious he thinks he could help at all though, rather than hasten its implosion.
Maybe he should offer to help Gaza instead. Fuck Biden.
He could do anything selfless and it would work, I'm just not sure he's capable.
Fuck. Off. Grandpa.
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I read through that whole thing. What is the demand? It's just general hate against the trump administration? I'm all in favor but unless the strike has specific legal actionable demands what is the point? Even under the "demands" section of their FAQ it lists a bunch of vague "good" things that they want (all of which I'm in favor of) but says it won't get into specifics until later.
You do the strike, it panics the ruling class, and then what? There's nothing they've been informed of that they can do. No line that tells them "you can put an end to this if you do XYZ". Nothing to tell the people whether the strike succeeded or failed. What will that get? A bunch of people who conclude that the strike didn't work and they need food so they go back to their jobs. Next time the strike comes around, even if it has demands this time, the obvious thought is that it didn't work last time so why would it work this time and distrust in the people and political ideology that started this strike in the first place.
In my opinion, a movement like this is defined exclusively by their policies and demands. Without those it's just people throwing a tantrum.
Their documents specify that they will have meetings with their sign ups to finalize the list of demands.
So join the discord and join their meetings and ask away.
Its just some tankie astroturfers celebrating the fall of the entire USA and all its people.
I understand that they probably don't want to lock themselves into a timetable, but arranging a general strike without a date chosen seems like it is an uphill battle at best.
They have a timeline they want to work with.
0-6M signatures is just organizing/coalition building and figuring out skillsets.
6-10M signatures create demands and plan events, work on strike dates, keep organizing, more outreach.
11M signatures strike on the chosen day, mutual aid networks work to support strikers, educate new strikers and volunteers.
I already quit my job because the manager was shit :/
They still think all they need to do is more fundraising. The Democratic party is cooked.
They get easy money from millionaires, billionaires and large companies.
I don't see that as the problem
It is slightly problematic when the money influences policy, but we do need to play the game in order to win and the DNC platform is to remove money from politics so win/win imo.
Why has the left been floundering for the past dozen years? It doesn't feel like the common man has anyone to represent us.
Take your pick/all:
$$$/ lobbyists/ citizen united/ Dems deepthroating Corpo influence/ dinosaur leaders pruning any progressive candidates
We desperately need new blood in the Democratic party - people who understand how to actually work for working class voters and to communicate that and earn back people's trust.
Joe's a good man, but his brand of 'actions speak louder than words' does NOT work in the Trump era.
Can you please add citations for "Joes a good man"? Please dont mention corvettes or dogs.
The man who ran against school desegregation and busing, was the architect of mass incarceration and considered Strom Thurmond to be his friend is a good man?
It would work if he took action more...
Says "Action speaks louder than words" and then doesn't do anything of note as a president
I’d rather it was someone else. AOC. Bernie. Anyone in that vein.
But if he’ll get the Dems to rally and DO SOMETHING? Fuck it. Give it a try. Maybe it will work.
What fundraising is he referring to though??
Midterms.
Governance is a thing of the past, it's all campaigning all the time now. Why do you think they fail so hard to accomplish anything? If they actually fix things they have to find something new to run on. It's like studios who focus on sequels and reboots, it's a known quantity. They know people will show up for those platform positions, so they don't want to remove them as an option.
Yeah I'm in the same boat. Progressives are helping each other and clearly nobody learned from their mistakes last election by nonstop dissing Biden.
It would almost appear they have doubled down on dissing Biden non-stop. Like its the only way they can cope with their lack of political action. Not sure how Trump pulling all restraint from Isreal and providing them with more money than ever is pro-palestine, but you'd think that crowd won the election by not voting or something.
I suppose he had to offer, it was his support of Israel murdering Palestinian women and children that lost Harris the election, but I think it's best for Joe to have a quiet retirement.
Maybe, in time, we'll remember him fondly as Obama's VP.
I really want to get into this opinion. You really believe the 2024 election broke to republicans favor over Palestine? If you are one of the voters that advocated for not voting, are you happy with the result? Is palestine now better off due to trump?
I'm not American. Palestine wasn't the only reason, but it certainly lost Harris the Arab vote and Trump only just scraped through.
A bold gambit. Let's see if they can survive 4 years of extra judicial ICE deportations. I don't envy anyone of middle eastern decent if we start a war with iran. Scapegoats just like 2001 but with way less civil rights. Should be fun!
Fark off. We're not giving you guys a goddamn thing. You are WAY too comfortable with doing nothing and compromising with 100% concentrated evil. I'll be voting for candidates who were born AFTER the Battle of the Bulge.
"You don't have to do this, Joe, you really don't."
Fuck around and fuck off geezer
They already have chosen a new direction.
Unsurprisingly and in their tone-deaf character they have chosen the worst option.
"embrace patriotism" ban far-left candidate questionnaires and refuse to participate in forums that create ideological purity tests” , etc... I really hope this wakes up people to vote 3rd party, they do not represent working class people and never have.
Just retire already. I still regret my vote for him.
You're getting downvoted but your comment prompts a thought. Would trump 2020 be as dangerous as 2024 trump? The time spent planning and organizing on their part has led to an extremely quick response in destroying this country compared to what happened in his 1st term
I've been saying this and it's an unpopular opinion... it honestly would have been better if Trump had just won in 2020.
Yes, COVID would have continued to be a disaster but we wouldn't have the J6 experience, he would still have a few of the old guard people keeping him in check, and he wouldn't have Elon Musk on board with him.
Most importantly: he would be blamed for the post-COVID shit that was his fault, rather than Biden taking the heat for not fixing the disaster Trump left him. The selective amnesia that settled over half the population from 2021-2024 would not have happened.
And we would be fucking done with Trump by now. My god, imagine that. He flies away on Jan 20, 2025 and we never have to hear from him ever again. Wouldn't that be heaven?
If Democrats were the opposition party during the genocide you wouldn’t get online liberals justifying it and ridiculing anyone opposed to it. The Democrats would have probably won in 2024 too.
Yea thank allah we got trump in there now. He will find a place for the palestinians. Somewhere near Trump hotel. They will be the foundation of his Christian Empire in the middle east. Inshallah.
At least you’re honest about what you stand for.
No need for a new direction, right? Biden can run for president even if dead, and liberals would still vote for him.
If it were him or Trump again?
Demonstrably liberals didn't vote for him, thus the fall into fascism, but he isn't campaigning he is fundraising.
Fucking Useless goofy ass Joe
two weeks ago i tried searching to figure out where the fuck Biden had gone. couldn't find a thing besides the talent agency he'd signed with
He's like 80yo. Let him be
By serving the facist tea?
Wow, and here this Friday didn't totally suck ass, but here we are.
Fuck off and get back to bed, Joe
These comments smell tankie af
Biden is giving free money to the progressive party far in advance of the midterms, I say we lock in and join the parade.
Which progressive party would that be? Is there a viable progressive party? Is it in the room with us now?
DNC wants to tax the rich, fund everyone's healthcare, ban lobbying, draw fair election maps, protect the rights of minorities, stop climate change, and protect the right to worship whatever you want.
If they had the authority to pass everything on their platform, if they had a trifecta and 60 senators for the first time since 1979 and a bunch of conservative SCOTUS judges croaked so we could replace them, then the USA would be further left than more than half of the EU.
They've literally done more than half of these things and Republicans make a career out of tearing it down at every opportunity.
Ah yes. Give money to the “progressive party” so it can do progressive things like funding ads for far right republicans in primaries:
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106859552/primary-illinois-colorado-republican-candidate-democrats-ads
Or backing “centrist” primary candidates against progressive candidates.
Very progressive. This amalgamation of rich people’s money and consultants is a great political ally.
Fuck yeah fund the opposition's primary. Your article even explains why that strategy works so well.
If you don't like how campaigns get financed, then I have some wonderful news! Democrats have in the past written many campaign finance laws including capping contributions per person effectively outlawing lobbying from 2003 to 2010 which was the basis of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision, which was also a 5:4 partisan decision.
Yeah look how well it’s worked. Far right nutjobs have totally not been normalized. Nope.
No matter how much you think far-right primarying conservatives in congressional districts normalizes the nutjobs, nothing holds a candle to electing the racist felon to POTUS two whole times.
If there were more competitive conservative primaries in 2024 like there were for democrats then we'd be in a different timeline rn.
Yeah you're right, it's nothing compared to helping Trump get elected.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/missteps-doomed-clinton-campaign/story?id=43422676
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Let's see,
Did you have some kind of point to make here? It might help if two of your articles didn't directly contradict the third.
Did you not read about the part where their plan was to boost the more extreme candidates in the primary to try to get the rest of them to move further right in hopes that it would make an easier opponent for them?
That they realized they screwed up after the fact doesn't change that.
We didn't lock into Biden and that's why we now have Trump.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
WTF are you talking about? Biden wasn't running in 2024.
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